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UltimateWarrior:RobertDuncanO'FinioanAvideointerviewwithDuncanO'FinioanKentucky,November2006

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryCassidyandBillRyan

DuncanOFinioan:LikeIsaid,weresupposedtoliveinacivilizedfreesociety.Wedont.Whentheycanwalkin,takeyouasachild,turnyouintoakillerandthenuseyou,abuseyou,andwhentheyaredone,throwyouaway.Itshouldnthappen....So,IsitthereandIstarttakingthesepuzzlepiecesandsaidthisfits,thisfits,thisdontfit.And,Imgoing:thisismakingapicture,andIsitback.Theladywalksuptothefront,theguywalksupbehindme.Shelooksat

himandsmilesandsaysWevegotoneandthatswhenitstarted....Thisiswheretheywereweaningoutwhosgoodatthis?Whosgoodatthat?Whosgoingtobeasoldier,whosgoingtobeapsychicspy?...EveryoneknowsthatHitlerwaslookingfortheultimatesolider,thatsupersoldier,ultimatewarrior.Hitlerwasalsoheavilyintoesotericartswithmindcontrolandatthattimetheystartedcombiningthetwo,mindcontrol,supersoldier,ultimatewarrior.Theystartedputtingitalltogetherintooneprojectandthatswheretheygotme.


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...Mykicksinmyrightlegwere120milesperhour.Mypunchingpowerwaswellover18to1950footpounds.Thatllbustconcreteblocks....AndIputthreeroundsthroughtheheartofaveryhighintelligenceofficial....ThisguygrabsmebythethroatandIjustsnappedsideways,threwmyhandspalmdown,justthrewthemdown,andscreamedinsidemymind.Theguysgoesupandback.Inevertouchedhim.IlookedoverandtherewasGeorgeJr.sittingatthebarwithasecretservicebodyguards,drunkasaskunkwiththesecretservicetryingtogethimtocalmdown.NowthatswhenIsnappedawake.Idontrememberdrivingthere.

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KerryCassidy:Letsbackupandfindoutexactlyhowyougotintothisprogram.D:TheywantedpeoplewhowerehalfNativeAmericanandhalfCeltic.WhetheritbeScottish,Irish,didntmatteraslongasitwasCeltic.ThereasonforthatistheNativeAmericansandtheCelticaretwooftheracesontheEarththataremoresuperimposedtoparanormalabilityorpsi-ability.Ok.Asamatteroffactbothoftheseculturespracticeparanormalability.Soitskindofgeneticmemory.Itsinourgeneticmemory.Ok.Ithoughtthatwas

basicallywhatitwasuntilabouttwoyearsagowhenIfoundoutthatmyfatherwasaCIAAgent.Myfatherhasbeendeadnowforalmost15years.Ineverhadaclue.Butwiththatnewinformationitmadealotofsmallertidbitsofinformationandalotofthingsthathappenedinthepast,nowitallfits.Ok.Basicallywhathappenedwithmewasin1966Iwas6yearsoldandbothofmyparentsloadedmeupinatrunkandtookmetotown.Itwasadarkcoldsnowy;Illneverforgettheday,Ok,becauseitstandsout.Whyarewegoingintoahardwarestorethislateintheafternoon?Sowegointothestoreandatthattimemymomanddayarentfightingbuttheyarentgettingalong.And,Ihavebeeninthestoreseveraltimeswithmygrandfatherandwedgointotheback,Ineverbeeninthebackandtheresadoorthereandifyoudidntknowitwasthereyoudwalkrightbyitandsowegoinandheres6or7otherkidsaboutmyage,andtheyareallsittingatthesetableslikekindergartentables,

sittingdownlowinthesesmallchairsandtheyallhadthesamethings,theylookedlikepuzzlepieces.Well,thisladycomesinthatdidnotfit,ok.Shestall,elegant,furcoat.ThisisEasternKentucky.Thisdonthappen.Alright.Andsheplayedaveryprominentrolefromthereon.Ihaveseenherinseveralofmymemories.Andshesetsmedowntoplay.Shegavemeastackofblocks.Andwhattheyarearepuzzlepieces.AndshesaysIwantyoutomakemeapictureandwalkedoff.So,Ilookedaroundformymomandsheiswithaguytherewhoisinasuitwhoagainshouldnotbethereandhehadaclipboardshessigningsomepapers.Atsixyearsold,Iwaspuzzled,butyoudontthinkmuchofit.So,IsitthereandIstarttakingthesepuzzlepiecesandsaidthisfits,thisfits,thisdontfit.And,Imgoing:thisismakingapicture,andIsitback.Theladywalksuptothefront,theguywalksupbehind

me.ShelooksathimandsmilesandsaysWevegotoneandthatswhenitstarted.Iwasgivensomethingtodrink,Irememberfeelingsleepy,andthatsit.K:So,areyousaying,didyougohomewithyourparents?D:No,Ididnot.K:Isee.D:Iwastakendirectly.ThisiswhatIfoundoutlater.BecauseonceIwenttosleepwithwhateverwasinthedrink,Kool-aid,soda,orwhatever,putmeout.Mynextmemorywasat9andyearsold.


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K:So,youhaveablankinyourmemoryrightnow.D:Mmhm,yeah.Now,IhavesomememorieshavecomebackandIhavebitsandpiecesofwhathappenedduringallofthat,someveryvivid,someIhavedocumentation,somearejustmemoriesthatarethere.Umm,and,thenfromthere.K:So,atnineyearsold,whydoyouremembernineyearsold,whathappenedthen?D:BecauseIwashadtakenastintatthelocalhospital,hospitalhere,UniversityofKentucky.Theydidsometypeofproceduresthatno-oneeverhasreallybeenabletoexplaintome.EvenasanadultItriedtogettherecords,andno-onewillreleasethoserecordstome.And,fromthereIhadcoupleofyearsasakidwhereeverythingseemedok,lotofparanormalactivitygoingonandallthatandthenat14Imgoneagain.K:Gonetothehospital?D:No,gone,memoriesgone.

K:Oh,Ok,so,solookingbackthough,youbasicallyfeelthatyouweretrainedasasoldierduringthattime?D:Yes.K:Couldyoudescribesomeofthetrainingtous?D:Theeasiestwaytodothatistobackupforonesecond.K:Sure.

D:ImagineProjectTalent,thepeopleinProjectTalentbeingsenttoschool.Ok,whenwereinelementaryschoolwerealltaughtthesamething.Ok,thatswherethemartialartstrainingwasstarted.Ihavevividmemoriesof1520ofusinagroupwithadultsandtheytrainedusasadults.Therewasnokidsgloves.Ok.Six,Sevenyearsold,eightyearsoldyougotyourbuttkickedoff.Imeantheybeatyoutremendously,butyoulearned,ok.K:Mmhm.D:Onceyou,andtheparanormaltrainingstartedaswell.Thatswheretheywereweaningwhoisgoodatthat,whoisgoodatthis,whosgoingtobeasolider,whosgoingtobeapsychicspy?K:Youhaveatthistime,certain,umm,likeablackbeltinkarate?D:EvenafterIcontinuedon,Itookclassesonmyown,startedacoupleofstudios.Iholdafifthdegreeblacknow,legitimatelyafifthdegreeblack.

K:Intherealworld,sotospeak?D:Right,right.K:YoualsosaidsomethinginaninterviewIreadthatsaidsomethingaboutrememberedwhenyoustartedteachingkarate.Thisishowyoutriggeredsomeearliermemoriesofallthis.D:Mmhm,right.Therewasoneincidentinparticular.Ihaveafriendofminewhoisanex-marineberet.Andhewasmorethanaregular,hewouldcomeinandworkoutwithmewhenhewashomeonleaveorthosekindsofthings.And,hewewassparringonenightandhewasabigrawbonedguy,youknowhewasgoingtowanttobarrowmypathwithnotsweating.So,weresparringandIdidatechniquethatwhenhecameupoffthefloorhesangrybamboozled.Wheredidyoulearnthat?And,ithitme,Idonthaveaclue,wheredidIlearnthat?He

saidthatcamestraightoffthefarm.Imonly19yearsold.Thefarm?Whatareyoutalkingabout?Cattlefarm?Thepigfarm?IdidnthaveaclueandhesaidtheCIATrainingFacility,TheFarm.Andthosethingsstartedclicking.Ok.And,whenIreallystartedgettingmemoriesbackwasabout8,9yearsagowhenIhadanautomobileaccidentanditrupturedthreediscsinmyneck.And,whentheyfinallygavemetheMRI,theelectromagneticresonancedidntmeshwiththecranialimplant.K:Thatyouhadgotten?D:Somewhere,somehow,Ihaveacranialimplant.And,IsaythisbecauseIhave


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itonfilm.And,whentheyputmeintheMRImachine,whentheyturnediton,whenitstartedtospin,Ok.K:Right.D:Imaginetremendouspain.AlsoimagineyoureinthereandyouseeathousandTVscreensandtheycomeatyouatonce.OneachoneofthoseTVscreensisapicture.Eachpictureisamemoryanditjustkeptcoming,coming,coming.K:Thatsamazing.D:ThatshowIstartedtogettotalmemoryagain.K:Andnow,Idontknowwasthisalsocorrect,youwerescreamingandtheMRIblewup?D:Themachineitselfcaughtonfire.Thatswhatbroughtmeoutofit.BecauseImthereinnothingbutmyunderwearandagownholdingmyheadscreamingbloodymurderandInoticesmokeok,andthetechscomeout,thenursescomeoutandtheywanttodoallthisandtheyaregettingmeoutofthere,theystartthefireextinguishersandallthat.K:Now,doyoustillhavethecranialimplanttothisday?D:Itsstillthere.Itsjust,fromwhatIunderstanditsnotworking.K:Whatmakesyouthinkitsnotworking?D:BecauseIhaventbeenusedanymore.Ihaventhadablackoutspellandbegoneforthreeorfourdaysoraweekwithnomemory.Theystopped.Thisoneis

deadcenterdeadcenterinthebrain.Itlookslikeagrainofriceanditsjustdeadcenterinthebrain.Itsrightthere.K:Itsthatsmall?D:Itsthatsmall.K:Wow.D:AndIhaditcheckedthroughindependentsourcesandtheylookatit.Yougotaproblem,thatsgottoberemoved.Man,youregoingtodie.Isay,noitsfine.Idonttellthemwhatitis.Ijustwanttogetthereopinionhearwhattheyregoingtosay.IdontsayanythingunlessIhavetheprooforIhavesomeoneelsewhoiswillingtosignadepositionsayingthattheywerethere,theysawit,theyknow.IfIdonthaveproof,Illsay,thisiswhatIthink.K:Ok.So,backwhenyouwereachildandyougotothehospitalyousaid.

D:Mmhm.K:Didyouhavesomethinggoingonwithyourbodythattheychangedatthattime?Doyouknowwhathappened?D:IremembergoingthroughaprocedureokandIrememberwakingupandthemachine,andthiswouldhavebeenin1969andIrememberthemachinewasaboutthesizeofthistablecamewithawrapandtheywerebringingitdownontopofmeanditwouldgethotandIwasntsupposedtowakeupIwassupposedtobedruggedcompletely.Well,IwokeupinthemiddleofitandIrememberbeingdozensoftubeslayingtoeachsideofmewheretheyhadbeenpluggedinoneatatime.Now,whathappened?Idontknow.K:Now,didyouhaveuncommonstrengthorwereyou,youknow,didyounoticedrasticchangesinyouroutlooktowardsreality?Imeanat14thiswasprobably

hardtotell.But,youknowastimewenton,doyouthinkthatyouvedevelopedatadifferentratethansomeotherchildrenbecauseofsomeofthis?

D:Yeah,Ithinkso.Ihavealwaysbeenstronger,faster;moreendurancethananybodyaroundandthatisalsothesamewithallofusthatcameoutoftheseprojects.Thatispartofthesupersoldierstructure.Theywantthesupersoldiertobejustthatsuper-beyondnormal,faster,stronger,moreendurance,paintolerance,etc.etc.onandonandon.Thatswhattheywant.K:So,canyoutelluswhatabilitiesyouhaveatthepeakofyourperformanceifyouwanttocallitthat?Whatdoyouthinkyouwerecapableof?


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D:Physicalones,yeah,Ikept.TheparanormalabilitiesIhavekeptsome.Themainparanormalabilitiescomeoutwhentheultimatepersonalitycomesout.Thatsoneofthethingsthattheydidtouswastogiveusultimatepersonality.Weweretrainedintheultimatepersonality.Ihavewitnessesthatsawmebustheavybagswithonepunch.Yourenotsupposedtobeabletodothat.IwasmeasuredforpunchingpowerspeedandeverythingatBurlington,Wisconsinatafacilityuptherethatisnolongertherethatdidallthetestingfortheprosports,forfootballteamsandallthat.Mypunchingpower,atthistimewasmyweight-175pounds.K:And,whenarewetalking?Howmanyyearsagoorwhatyear,generallyspeaking?D:In1984,inthespringof1984.And,thetestingcameoutasunreal.Mypunchingpowerwasheavier,strongerthanthatofasuperheavyweightboxer.Mykickingpowerandspeedwasevenmorethanthat.Mykicksinmyrightlegwere120mph.Mypunchingpowerwaswellover18to1950footpounds.Thatllbustconcreteblocks.K:Ok,nowintermsofyourphysicability,whatwerethoseabilities?D:MyprimaryphysicabilitiesaretheonesthatIhavekeptinthispersonalityisbeingabletogetinsomeonesmind,beingabletoforeseewhateventsinrealtimeandwhenImeangetinsomeonesmindIdontmeanreadtheirmind,readtheirthoughts,heartheirthoughts.ItsmoreofwhatsomepeoplethatIworkwithnowcallpicting.Weseepicturesoftheirthoughts.Like,youmaybethirstythinkingaboutasoda.IlllookatyouandIllseeaPepsican.Thatswhatwouldhappen.And,thesetypesofabilitiestoa

fighter,asoldier,oranassassin,thinkoftheedgethatgivesthatperson.K:So,doyouhaveabsoluterecalloftimeswhenyoureintheotherpersonalitynow?D:Ihavewitnessestothat,yeah.D:Yousee,whathappened,isImnotsupposedtorememberanythingrightnow.Ok.K:Iimagine.D:Thepeoplewhostarttorememberareusuallylate50searly60s.Ok,muchtoooldtoreallydoanything,butImnotsaying60sold,butinthissocietybythetimeyoure60,62anywhereinthere,peoplewriteyouoff.K:SohowoldareyounowbecauseIcanttell?D:46.Im46.K:Uhhuh.

D:Everybodysaysthatyoudontlook46,thatsoneoftheothertraitsthatwehave.K:Thelongevity?D:Yeah.K:Ok.D:Mostofthepeoplewhostartgettingtheirmemoriesback,whentheygettherememoriesbackaretheoneswhosepersonalitiesbegintomesh.TheyarenolongerpersonalityA,personalityBanymore.Theystartgoingtogether.So,whenalltheseothermemoriesstartcominginmeshingwiththeothermemories,theygonuts.K:Mostofthepeople?D:Yes.Mostofthesepeoplecommitsuicide.Ok,andtheoneswhodidntwind

upinasylums.BillRyan:Isitpossible,Duncan,thatalotofthesepeopleareprogrammedtocommitsuicide?D:Yes.BillRyan:Tokindofselfdestructwhentheyarenolongeruseful?D:Yes.K:So,yousortofbeatthesysteminacertainsense?D:Yes.K:Youmusthavehadstruggles.Sowhatskeepingyougoing?Whatdoyouthink


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hasallowedyoutosortofmaintain?D:Afterthecaraccident,wemovedfromthisarea.WemovedtoupstateNewJersey.Iwasneversupposedtoliftanythingoverfivepoundsagain.Iwastoneversupposedtobeabletoholdmyarmsabovemyheadagain.Thatshowserioustheaccidentwas.Twoo'clockinthemorningImsittinginmyapartmentinNewJerseyandthislittlevoicecomesin.Whatthe.isyourproblem?Whatswrongwithyou?Youwimp.Yougonnagiveup?Youvebeenafighterallyourlife?Getupandfight.Istarteddoingpushupsthatnight.Ayearlater,Imfine.K:Soyoubasicallybroughtyourselfbackfromyourinjuries?D:Theinjuryisstillthere.Icangotoaneurologistrightnowandlethimdoanx-rayandtheylllookatmeandsaythatIneedtobeinsurgerytoday,butIrefusetogo.Thepainisstillthere.Ilivewithpain24/7and,again,ifthishadnthappenedbeendonetomeasakid,yeah,Improbablytakingpainpillsonaregularbasis.K:But,yourenot.D:Itakenothing.K:Now,Imcuriousbecauseyouhavethistattooonyourarm.Itactuallylookskindofbeautiful.IsthissomethingthatyougotinVietnam?D:No,thiswassupposedtobeoneofakind,mydesign.K:Really.D:Thiswassomethingthatcametomeinadreamactually.K:Wow.D:And,Idesignedit,and..

K:Isthatadragon?D:Itsadragon.IhadatattooartistdoitformeanditstayedoneofakindforacoupleofyearsandallofsuddenIstartedseeingitout.Shedoeshaveherworkonawebsite.And,ImwalkinginaWal-Martacrossthestreetofallplacesaboutsixmonthsagoandthatisonthefrontcoverofapaperbacknovel.Identical.K:And,youdesignedit?D:AndIdesignedit.K:Wow,cool.Itsverynice.So,whathappenedinVietnam,becauseyouhaveareallyamazingstoryaboutthat?D:IwasinNorthVietnamtwicethatIknowof.SomeoftheseareasarestillmurkybecauselikeIsaidIkeepfindingoutmorethingseveryday.K:Ok.

D:OncewhenIwastwelveyearsold.Ok.Iknowpeoplesayitwas1972youwereinVietnam,itwas1972.ActuallyitwasntVietnam,itwasCambodia.WewerentsupposedtobeinCambodia.ANavySealTeamandaMarineCorpsreconTeamwerepinneddownbytheCambodiaKhmerRouge.Theycalledinforreinforcementsforsomebodytogetthemout.And,ImtellingyouexactlywhataMarineCorpsreconCaptainandaNavySealCaptaintoldme.Now,Ihavemyownmemoriesofit,butIsawitfrommypointofview.Imgoingtotellyoufromtheirpointofview.Oneblackhelicopter,Huey,lands,12kidscomeoffthechopper.Yeah,therearestillacoupleofthings.[emotional...]K:Takeyourtime.Wehaveallthetimeintheworld.Icanunderstand.D:Iknow.Longstoryshort...[longpause,veryemotionalnow]Wecameoffofthechopper,formedasemicircle,andweallheldhands.There

wasK:Weretheyallboys?D:No.K:Weretheyallaroundthesameage?D:Yeah,Iwastheoldest.K:So,allaroundtheageoftwelve?D:Anywherebetweentheageofnineandtwelve.Iwasteamleader.Weheldhands,raisedourarms,andkilledthemall.K:Whodidyoukill?D:EveryKhmerRougesoldierwithintwentymiles.


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K:Howisitthatyourpowerswereabletotargettheothersideandnot...?D:Iwasntthe...Iwasliketheleadbattery,butIwasnttheonewhodidthetarget.K:Youdidntactuallyaimyourpower?Youguyswerethepower.D:Someoneelsedidtheaiming.K:Wasitthekidsthatdidtheaimingoroneoftheotherkids?D:Oneoftheotherkids.K:Ohyeah,ok.K:Now,didyouknowtheotherkids?D:Iknowonerightnow.K:Nowisthispersonwillingtocomeforwardornot?D:Notthisone,no.K:Aretheyevenawarethattheyareoneofthem?D:Yes.K:Arethey?D:Yeah.K:Wow.Well,wereallyappreciatethatyouresharingthiswithus,becausethisisobviouslyahugethingandpeopleneverreallyliketalkingaboutthesortofnegativesideofthepowersofthemindbutobviouslythisisoneoftheapplicationsandtheresreallynoreasontohideit.D:Itsnotthat..Itsfunny.Ididalotofthingsthatwerenotofmydoing,notofmymaking.Someofthembringoutanemotionalresponse,somedont.Somearekindalikesowhat?andsomeIhavenocontrolandIgothroughthis

littleemotional,andthenImfinewithit.Icantcryoncommand.BelievemeItried(laughs).But,thewayitwasexplainedtome,itmakesperfectsense.Twelvekids,imaginetwelvebatteriesconnected.Youhaveonebattery,youmightgetnothing.Addtwo,yougetajolt.Addthree,yougetaburn.Addtwelve,andgetelectrocuted.Thatsbasicallywhatwedid.Thetwelveofuslinkedandjoinedupthrougheverything,kindofasemi-circle...startingfromthecenter,becauseIwasinthecenter.Likethis(illustrateswithhishands)...out.Thatswhathappened.K:Andthiswassomethingyouguyswereobviouslytrainedtodo.Doyouhaveamemoryatall?Hasanythingcomebackofyourtrainers?

D:Rememberthatladyatthehardwarestore?Yeah,shefiguredveryprominentlywhenIwasyoung.ThenextmemoryIhaveofherisinalabcoat.AndIminthishouse.Itsbeendescribedtomeasamansion,andIhaveacoupleofideaswherethisplaceisorwas,butIhavenoproof.Thereisa...Iminahallway,andtheresgreenandwhitetile,justhuge,12x12,these12x12tilesonthefloor.AndImdoingsomethingthatallofusthatcomeoutofthishasthesametrait.Wedontcomedownononekneeoranythinglikethatwesquat.Itmakesnosenseinsomeways,butinsomewaystousitdoes.Wesquatontheballsofourfeetwiththearmsoutloose.Itsalmostlikeananimal.AbouttenfeetawayIhaveasmallwaterbucket.AndwhatImdoingisraisingthebucket,tryingtoturnitover,andsetitdowngently.

K:Raisingitwithyourmindorwithyourhands?D:Correct,justwithmymind.K:Isee.D:AndwhatImdoingisraisingit,turningitabouthalfway,anditsjustdropping.ImnotgettingitandIlookaroundandthisladyisbehindmewithherclipboardtakingnotes,andItriedtogetaresponsetryingtobenice:Ialmostgotit,Ialmostgotit,andshebasicallyjustlooksdownandsnarlsandwalksoff.Therewasnothingniceaboutanyofthis.K:So,ok,yousaidyouwereinVietnamtwicethatyouremembered.Whatwasthe


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secondtime?D:Thesecondtime,allIrememberisbeingshotdown.WeweretakingoffinaBlackHawk.Imsorry,notaBlackHawk,thatwasanotherincident.AHuey,andwegotabouttenfeetoffthegroundandwetooksomeantiaircraftfireandwewentdownandthisnavysealcaptainthatwetalkedaboutwastheonethatpulledmeoutofthechopper.K:AndthisguyisthewitnessthatyousaidthatiswitnesstotheVietnamincidentwiththekids?D:Correct.K:Andhewasinchargeof?Wherewasheatthetime?D:TheeasiestwaytotellyouaboutthisguyHiswholefamilywasintheCIA.Ok.HewasoneofthemostdecoratedandhadoneofthebestkillrecordsinVietnam.Hisabilitiesasasniperwereunparallel.And,atthesametime,hewasalsoasailboatcaptainbecausehepulledIthinkfiveorseventoursinVietnam.K:Hewasntmessedwithasyouwere?D:HedoeshavesomememoriesbutnottotheextentthatIwasorsomeoftheotherguys.K:So,howdidyouguyshookup?D:WhenIstartedgettingmymemoriesbackIstartedlookingforhim.K:Becauseyourememberedfromtheageoftwelvewhohewas?

D:Yes.IrememberedhisfaceandIknewbeingwhathewashewasonlygoingto

beincertaincirclesandsoIstartedfrequentingthosecirclesandIfinallyfoundhimandwesatdownatdinneratacasinoandstartedtradingstoriesandthatishistory.BillRyan:Ishewillingtocomeforwardonrecord?D:Heisyes.BillRyan:Wouldyourecommendhim?D:Yes,absolutely.K:So,canyoutellusalittlebitmore?Iimagineyouwerearemoteviewer?D:Yes,butnotthebest.K:Soyouwerephysicallytrained,youwerementallyveryastute.Whatwasyourtitle?Inotherwordsyousaidsomewerepsychicspiessomewerewarriors.

D:MyproblemandIvebeentoldthisbysomeverystrongsides,Ifightthephysicabilities.Idontjustletthemflow,IfightthemforwhateverreasonIblockthemmyself.ForwhateverreasonIblockthemmyself.IgraduatedfromProjectTalent.K:Howoldwereyouthen?D:Thiswouldhavebeenmidtolateteens.Iwasturnedintoasoldier,asoliderwithpsiabilities.AsIsaidIwasntoneofthosepeoplewhocouldtellyouthatwasputinthepitchblackroomandcouldtellyouwhatsomepolitician4,000milesawaywashavingforbreakfast.Iknowsomepeople,whowere,butIwasnt.Iknowsomepeoplewhowere,butIwasnt.K:Now,didyouknowJosephMcMoneagle?D:Thatnamedoesringabell.Ivebeenaskedthatbefore,butIjustcantsayforsure.

K:So,wherewereyoubased,doyouthink?YouwerentbasedinKentucky.D:No.No.Ihavememoriesofbeinginseveraldifferenttrainingfacilities.IdoknowIspentthreeyearsonSt.Thomas,ontheislandofSt.ThomasintheVirginIslands,andthatwasverifiedtomeaboutthreeyearsago.Imgoingaroundseeingpeople,andtheyrelookingatmesayingIhaventseenyousinceyouwereakid.K:IguesswhatImsayingisthataftertheytrainedyou,wheredidtheyuseyou?Doyouhaveanyidea?D:AfterNam,Idohavesomevividmemoriesofacoupleofassassinationsthat


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werecarriedout.IhavememoriesofbeingonmilitarybasesandIhaditverifiedthatIwasatNorfolkStation,Norfolk,VirginiabyaradarmanwhowasstationedtherewhenIwaswithateam.Andhecontactedmebecausehesawmypicture,andhetoldmethingsasfactthathappenedthatIthoughtwerejustdreams/memoriesandhewastellingmethiswithoutmetellinghimanything.K:Wereyouanassassin?D:Yes,Iwas.K:Howdidyouassassinatepeopleandwhatkindofpeoplewouldyoubeassassinating?Doyouhaveanyidea?Weretheypeopleinwartime?D:No.K:WeretheyAmericans?D:Some,yes.One,thatIremembervividlybecauseitwasthelastone,thelasttimeIeverdidanythingforthegovernment,wasinD.C.andIputthreeroundsthroughtheheartofaveryhighintelligenceofficial.K:Doyouhaveaconsciousmemoryofthis?D:Thisone,Ido.Ineverknewthename.Iwasgivenaphoto,atarget,habits.Dothejob,thatsit.K:Doyourememberanyoperationstakingplaceinanyothercountries?D:Yes,France.K:InFrance?D:Yes.K:Thatsinteresting.D:WhatthevividmemoryIhave,andIwasalsoshownaphotographofme

sittinginalittlecafbytheEiffelTower.IhavenoknowledgeatthattimeofmebeinginFrance,buttheguyshowsme8x10blackandwhitephotoandthereIamdrinkingsomethingoutofacupwithsteamcomingoutofit.Irememberdoingajob,butIdontrememberwhatitwasabout.Adecoywassentinandwhattheladywastodowastogettheguytocomeoutofthebarhopefullynotexactlyinhisrightmindinebriatedifpossibleandmyjobwastosnatch,grab,gettheinformationandthenterminate.Irememberdoingthesnatch,grabandthememoryfadesfromthere.K:Now,youmustseemovies,right?D:No,Idont.Icant.K:Theresalotofviolenceinmovies,alotofscenesandthatsortofthing,andIwaswonderingifthatmighttriggersomeofyourmemories.D:Theydo.Ilovewrestling.Asamatteroffact,Iusedtoincorporate

professionalwrestlingtechniquesintomyteachingwhenIwasaninstructor.Itsnottheviolenceperse.ThelastmovieItriedtowatchofthatnaturewastheBourneIdentity.Icouldntgethalfwaythroughit.Ijustdoatotalchange.K:Ok,youseeyourpersonalitydoesachange?D:MypersonalitychangesandGodhelpwhoeverImwatchingthemoviewithandIusuallygetupandwalkaway.Sci-Fimoviesdontbothermebutanythingconcerninggovernmentblackoperations,CIA,NSA,covertkillings,Icantdoit.K:Doyouhaveanyremembranceofotherplanets?Iknowthissoundsalittleoutthere.D:No,actually,not.ThereisonethingthatacoupleofusshareandthatisadeepfearanddreadoftheplanetMars.BringuptheplanetMarstousand

itsjustlikewatchingoneofthosemovies.ThereissomethingaboutMars,thatchangesourentireattitudeatthattime.IknowonepersonwhopointblanksaystobetterleaveMarsalone.Leaveitalone.K:Meaningleaveitalone:donttalkaboutitordontgothere?D:Tonotgobecausetheyarewakingsomethingup.K:OnMars?D:Mmhm.K:Areyoustillapsychic?D:Sure.


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K:SoyoumusthavesomethoughtsorassociationswithMars.AreyouwillingtotalkaboutthatbecauseIknowthatyousaidthatyoudevelopheadachessometimesaftersomeofthesetalkswhereyourevealandgobackintimeinyourmindastoyourhistories.D:Imhavingagoodonerightnow.Headachesarepartoftheconditioning.Itsafakeheadache;itsaprogrammedheadache.K:Idliketoknowifyouhaveseenanyspecialmachinery?D:Yes,itsunderground.K:Haveyouseenanycertainkindofbeingsthere?D:Yes,theyareinstasis.BillRyan:Likeakindofartificialinducedhibernation?D:Yes(nodding),thankyou.K:Itsnothumansthatareinthatstate?D:No.K:Itsthebeings?D:And,theyareverytallandtheyhavelongfeatures.K:DotheylooklikeEgyptians?D:Yes.Quiteabit.K:Youtalkalotaboutangerintherecentinterviewyougaveonyoursite?D:Yes.K:Canyoutellusalittleaboutthat,describethatandhowyoudealwithit?

D:Atonetimeitwaspurerage.WhenthesememoriescamebackandIsatdownandstartedputtingtogetherallthethingsthatstartedwhenIwas6yearsoldandthethingsthatwasdonetome,whatIwasforcedtodo,itwaspurerage.MyfirstimpulsewastogotoDCandjustgonuts.Ok.Well,astheoldsayinggoes,Imcrazybutnotstupid,andasafighterIwastrainedchannelyouranger,dontletyourangerchannelyouandthatswhatIstarteddoing.So,insteadofbeingsomadthatIcantdoanything,IturnedthatangerintobeingsomadthatIwanttodosomethingandIstayedthatway.K:So,isthatwhyyoustartedwritingbooks?D:No,actuallyIstartedwriting,askindofmyowntherapyjusttogetitoutandIneverwroteanythingandsomeonereadsomeofitandsaidthatitwas

prettygood,youneedtokeepitup,soIdid.K:Youhaveabookcomingout,isthatright?D:Yes,DeadlyAwakening.Itsabouteverythingwevebeentalkingabouthereplusallthesidestreetsthatwedonthavetimetogoup.Itssupposedlygoingtobeturnedintoamovieandthattotallycaughtmeoffguard.K:Wellthatswonderful;thatsveryexciting.BillRyan:Intermsoftellingyourstorytoawideraudiencewhatwouldyouliketoseeresultfromthat?D:Idliketoseeenoughpeoplewakeup,marchonWashington,andsaytheseprojectsandholdthepeopleaccountable.Theresnotgoingtobeclassactionlawsuits.Theresnotgoingtobeprosecution.Thatsfine,Igotoverthatyearsago.Everybodyelseinvolvedneedstogetoverthat.Justholdthemaccountableandgetitstopped.

BillRyan:Doyouthinkthisisstillgoingontoday?D:Yes,absolutelyIdo.BillRyan:Doyouhaveanyideainoneformtheseprojectsarecontinuing?Theysaidinthe60stherewereaboutathousandkidsandthereareonlyabout60left?D:In1966thereweresupposedtohavebeen1000kidstakenthatwereinmygroup.Thereareonlyabout20ofusleftnow.IthinkwhatIhavetoexplain.Wewereactuallyat6,7yearsoldputintosurvivaldefense.Ourpersonalitiesweresplit.Anynormalkid,anynormalpersonwouldnotdothethingswedidintheirrightframeofminds.So,theyhadtosplitourpersonalitiesandtheyhad


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acleanslatewiththatnewpersonality,hadnorhyme,noreason,noright,nowrong,noconceptsotheymadeitintowhattheywantedittobe.Thisishowtheysplitmypersonality.Now,Idontknow,Imsuretheydidthesameidenticalthingtootherpeople,butIknowforafactnottoeachone.Thereweredifferenttechniquesfordifferentkids.HowtheydescribedittomewhenIwasakidwasThesewereyourtreatments,almostmedicalterminology.Imaginebeingsixyearsold...andthefunnythingisIcandescribethiswithverylittleemotionbecauseithappenedtome,notsomethingIdid.Yourestrappednakedtoawoodenchair,armsoutlikethis,yourestrapped,here,hereandhere.Yourfingertipsarespreadopenandthingsareinsertedheresoyoucantdothis(movinghandandfingersovertable)andIknowyounoticedbecauseIsawitinyourmindsandIsawitinyoureyes,Ihaveaphobiaaboutmyfingertips.Whattheydidwastheyinsertedneedlesunderneaththefingertips.Thatsbadenough,hookthoseneedlesuptoanelectriccurrentandturniton.Waterboardingiswhereyoubasicallydrownthepersonandbringthenbackthembackandinmycasetheydidittwoways,strappedtoachairandtheytookawaterhoseandsprayeditatyouuntilyoucouldntbreathandthentheydbringyoubackandIrememberhavingmyheaddunked.ThatswhyIdontswim.K:Now,whatwouldbethepurposeofthat?D:Tocausepain-intensepain.Whathappenswhenthebodyandthepsychicgoesthroughtheamountofpainthatitcantolerate,youblackout,youpassout,youfaint.Well,theGermansbroughtoveradrugwiththem.Onceinjected

itblocksthosereceptors.Youcantblackout,youcantevenforceyourselftofaint.So,oncethepsychicgetstoapointwhereitcanttakeanymoreyouhavetwochoices,splitoffintoanotherpersonality,yousaveyourselfordie.K:Ok,Iunderstand,whenthepainbecomestoomuchthewayyoureabletosurviveandstaytogethermentallyisactuallytogosomeplaceelse?D:Exactly.K:Andyougosofarsomeplaceelsethatyoureactuallycreatinganotherpersonality?D:Exactly,youcreateatotallyseparateindividualtowheretheycanpulloutthatultimatepersonalityandonesecondImmeandnextsecondImsomebodyelse.Now,Imbacktome.Thatshowtheywantedyou.K:HaveyouseenTheManchurianCandidate?

D:No.K:Youneversawthat?D:No.K:Ok,well,ifIrefertoit,youllknowwhatImean?

D:Yeah.IknowwhattheManchurianCandidateis,yeah.K:Youknowwhatitsabout,ok.Isitpossiblethatyoucouldbeactivatedbyaphonecalltoday?D:ThelasttimethatIdidajob,thatswhatitwas,Igotaphonecallinthemiddleofthenight.Canbeactivatednow?Idontthinkso.Theyburntthechipout.K:Ok,doyouthinkitsatone,orwords?Doyouhaveanyideawhatitis?Isitmusic?

D:IthinkitsacombinationandIthinkitsmorethanone.Inordertoopenacombinationsafeyougottohaveacombinationwhichismorethanonenumber,soIthinkwhattheydid,theysetup...youhavetohaveasystemofchecks,balances,andfailsafestowhereifyourewatchingTVandallofsuddenyouhearthecorrectwordorwhateveryoufreakoutandkilleverybody,andthenyouwouldstartseeingthishappeningeverywhere,sotherehastobeafailsafetokeepthatfromhappeningsoIvealwaysthoughtthatitsacombinationofwords,tones,numbers,whathaveyou.WhathappenedduringthisnightisIwent


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tobed,mywifeandIwereinbed,thephonerings,Ireachovertopickitupandputittomoremyear,nomorethanthreesecondspassedIhangthephoneup,IgetupgetdressedandIleave.Imgonethreedaysandthreenightsandatthattimewelivedexactlyelevenmilesfromtheairportthatyouguyspassedcominghere.WhenIcamebackthreedayslatertherewasonly22additionalmilesonthecar.Iwenttotheairport.K:Butyouhavenomemoryofwhereyouwent?D:IwenttoDCanddidaterminationjobonthisindividual.K:Whatyearwasthat?D:1985.K:So,thiswasquiteawhileago.D:Yeah.And,heressomethingIlltellyouguysthatIdidntwantputonthetape.ImsittinginaMexicanrestaurant,averynicetwostoryMexicanrestaurant,andIhearsomebodylaughing.ThiswasbeforethepresidentnowwasthegovernorofTexas.IlookoverandtherewasGeorgeJuniorsittingatthebarwiththesecretservicebodyguards,drunkasaskunkwiththesecretservicetryingtogethimtocalmdown.Now,thatswhenIsnappedawake.Idontrememberdrivingthere...andImlookingaround,andIm:WherethehellamIat,andbutyetthereheisandIhadoneimpulsekillhim.Terminate.AndIhadaguninmypocket.AndforwhateverreasonIfoughttheimpulsedownandIdidntkillhim.K:Inotherwords,yourememberwhoheisnowbutyoudidntknowwhohewas?

D:AtthattimeIdidnthaveacluewhohewas.IwassittingtheresometimelaterandImwatchingthenewswhereitsaidthatGovernorBushplacedhisbidforthepresidencyandImlookingathimthinkingHoly....BillRyan:Wasthisbeforehebecamepresident?D:Yes.BillRyan:Igotit.D:Yearsbefore.BillRyan:So,inthatcontext,maybeitmakesevenmoresense?

D:Yes,anditmakesitmorescarier.K:Whataboutundergroundbases?Youthinkyoueverbeeninanundergroundbase?Haveyoueverbeeninanyundergroundbases?D:Iknowwhereoneis,righthereinthestate.WhenIwasinmymidtolate,

mostlylateteens,thatIremember,thefarmhousethatwelivedonwassituatedinavalleyandtherewereoldloggingroadsthatwentallaroundthevalley.Ihadagoodfive-milerunupanddownthemountainsonagoodgradedroad.Therewerealsosomeworkedoutstripminesovertothesoutheastofthere.OnedayImrunningupthroughthereandIdecidetodropdownoverthehilltohavealookaround.AssoonasIdoIfeelthevibrationsinthegroundandIdropdownandIputmyeardownnearthegroundthewaythatmygrandfathertaughtmehowtodoandIgetupandthislittlevoicesaysgetthehelloutofhereandasImrunningbackupthehillachopperlands.Ididntgobackanymore,butacoupledayslatertwothingshappenedatonce.Myfatherhadafriend.Hisname

wasPaulPreston.PaulPrestonwassomebodyandisstillsomebodywhoIdterminatewithextremeprejudice.Idontcaretosaythat.WhenIwasfourteenweweregettingreadytoworkthefields,wehadacashfarmandIwasworkingonatractor.WelivedaboutamileupoffthedirtroadoffthemainroadandIcouldsenseavehiclecominguptheroadbeforeitwashalfwayup.IstopandIlookoutandIcouldseethisgrayishsilvervancomingupintothedriveway,brandnewwithaUHFantennaontop.Ineverseenanythinglikethis.AgainthisisKentuckyinthemid70s,nobodyhadthatkindofmoney,thiswasbefore


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thecoalboom,beforetheenergycrisis,beforepeoplemadetwentybucksanhour,peoplewereluckytomakeminimumwage.Ok.AndthisguygetsoutofthisvanandInoticedithadTexastags.Ihadheardmydadtalkaboutthisguy,thattheywerechildhoodfriendsandthenthiswasconfirmedtomelateronthattheywereintheCIAtogetherandthatPaulPrestonwasstationchiefinmorethanonearea.Hegetsoutofthevan,callsmebyname.InevermettheguybeforetomyknowledgeandinthatinstanceIhadtwothoughts,onewastorun,becausethisguywasbadnews,thisguywasdangerous,run,theotherwastotakehimoutkillhimbeforehekillsyou.Iwasonlyfourteenyearsold,myhairwaslongerthanitisnowandmydadcomesdownfromthehouse,andtheydothehandshakes,slapontheback,huggyhuggyandallthiskindofstuff.Mr.Prestonlooksatmydadgetsrealserious,sayswegottotalk.Mydadsdemeanorchangessotheygoawayforabouttwentyminutesandduringthistime,Igotthetoolchest,Imtryingtogetthetractorgoing,springplow,allthatkindofstuff.Twenty,thirtyminuteslaterPaulPrestoncomesbackdownfromhouse,hesainttalkingtomethen,hesinabadmood,getsinthevanandleaves.Ibarelysawmydadtherestofthatdaycauseitsearlymorning,itsstillcool.Youdontwanttobearoundhimfortherestoftheday,hewasarealtickedoffIrishman.Wellthatnightok,mymomhadahabitofsittingonthefrontporchatnightandIsleptupstairs.ShecameinthatnightabouttenorelevenoclockscreamingatmydadthattherewassomethingabovethehouseandbythetimehewentoutitwasgoneandIcouldhearthewholeconversation.

Shesaiditwasbiggerthanthehousewasroundandhadlightsallaroundit.IdidntknownothingaboutUFOs.Iknewnothingaboutthat.Iknewfarming,martialarts,Iknewhowtofight,track,hunt,etc.etc.Iknewnothingaboutthat.So,thenextnightthishappensagain.Thethirdday,somethinghappenstome.Allthetime,IworkandItrainIworkandItrain.IworkedoutharderthanIhadeverdonebefore.Ithinkthereasonbeingwastogotobedearly,becausethatsexactlywhatIdid,Iwenttobedearly.Thatnight,Igotobed,Iwaslayingthere,Idontknowhowlong,butIfeellikeImonfire,whenIsnappedawake,Icantmove.AllIcandoisopenmyeyes,thewholeupstairsisfulloflightandIcanseeafivepedalfigurestandingbythebed.Icanseeahead,Icanseethearms,Icanseethelegs,andthatsitandIknow

itstalkingtome,itstellingmesomethingandthenextthingIknowmydaddyisshakingmyshoulderswithmybrothersbecausesawthelightandtheythoughttheupstairswasonfire.ThatsallIremember.IdontrememberanythingagainuntilImalmosteighteen.K:Meaningnomemoriesfromtheageoffourteenandtheageofeighteen?D:Right.IdidnthavemydriverslicenseuntilIwasalmosteighteen.ShouldhavehadthemwhenIwassixteen.IdidntgetthemuntilIwasalmosteighteenbecauseIwasntaroundtogethim.K:Doyourememberwhatthebeinglookedlikeotherthantwoarms,twolegs?D:ThatsallIcouldsee,atorso,twoarms,twolegs,andahead,notanovalshapedhead,butaheadshapedhead,anormalshapedhead.Idestimateaboutsixfeettall,itwaswhiteaswell,butapalershadeofwhiteintherestoftheroom.Ithinkallofthesegotogether,thevisitofPaulPreston,the

craftoverthehouse,andinmyleavingagainallgotogether.K:Andyourfathersangerperhaps?D:Yeah,IthinkhemayhavethoughtforwhateverreasonIwasclearofitandforwhateverreasonPaulPrestoncamebyandsaidno.Idontthinkhehadachoiceinthematter.TheonlyangerIhadwiththemisnotcomingoutandtellingmesomethingespeciallyafterImanadultandImstartingtogetmemoriesbackandImaskingwhatgives?Iknowthiswasntwhathappenedsomethingwasntright.IthinkIdeservedmoreofananswerthanCanttellyouandthenleave.ThefirstthingIdidwhenIgotmymemoriesbackwasIstartedlookingupoldfriends.And,Iwouldaskthemduringthisyear,73,74,


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75wherewerewe,whatwereyoudoing?IhavememoriesofdoingthingsandeveryoneofthemtoaTwerewewereoutdoingthis.Irememberthatandtheywouldgohowcouldyou,youwerenthere.Andoneguyevenwentsofartosaywewentuptothefarmtopickyouuponedaytoseeifyouwantedtogoaway,wehadntheardfromyouandyourdadranusoff.ThosewerefromwhatIhadofthoseyearswerefalsememories.ThememoriesIhadofcamping,goingtoDiaryQueen,youknowthatkindofthingwereimplanted.K:So,youalsosaidinyourwritingthatyouhaveoneofyourarmsiswired?D:Therightone.Yes,theimplantisrighthere(pointstoupperrightshoulderbladearea).Iknowitstherefortwospecificreasons,oneIhadaguyputameteroveritandhaditfoundthatwayandtwo,ititchesandwhatitis,Icallitanenhanceritincreasesphysicalstrengthandspeedtherearelikewiresthatrunfromittothefingersanditsonlyinthisshoulder,itsnotbodywise.ThisisthehandandthearmthatIbustedmanyheavybagswith.AsamatteroffacttherewasanincidentwhereIgrabbedaguywhowasagood40poundsheavierthanmestraightupoffhisfeetandwhenIrealizedwhatIhaddone,itjustdropped.Idontknowthescienceofhowitstiedin,Ireallydont,butIknowitstiedinwiththefight/flightscenariowhenthereisdanger,itkicksin,iffeelthreateneditkicksin.Thethrowingofenergy,yeah,thatonefreakedmeoutwhenithappened.IhadajobinLexington,theplaceatthattimewascalledTheCommunityKitchen.Itwasnokitchen.Whatit

waswasafacilityforhomeless,indigent,thatkindofthing.Wehaddoctorsoffices,wehadsocialserviceoffices,showers,clothing,allthat,butitwasalsoahavenforpushers,users,abusers,rapists,killers,younameit,theycameinthere.WecouldhavehadsixtytoahundredpeopleinthefacilityatonetimeandIwaschiefofsecurityandwehadafightthatbrokeoutanditwasnothing,wehadthreeorfourfightsaday,ok,butwehadtwogirlsgetintoit.Theyfightworsethanmen,ok.andmypartnerhadoneholdingherdown,IwasholdingtheotheronedownandwhenIsayholdingthemdown,Iwasjustsittingtherewithonearmonhershoulder.Shewaslaughingaboutit.ThenextthingIknow,IlookupandIseethisextremelylargemanstandingovertopofmeandhesgotthreeorfourfriendswithhimandhesgivingthisroutine,ImgivingyoutothecountofwhatevertogetoffofherorImgoing

todothis.Well,Isnapped,Imontheground,Ilookup,IseeImoutnumbered,outgunned.Ichange.NormallyIwouldhavejustrolledoutoftheway,gotup,startedcussingrightbackathim,throwhimoutthedoor,butno,IstoodupandhithimandthewitnessestheresaidIhithimnotonce,buttwelvetimesinthematterofasecond.Itbrokehisneck.Hisneckwasasbigasmylegsanditjustsnappedhisneck.Well,whenthathappened,thewholefacilitywentberserk.HalfofthemwerecomingatmeandmypartnerandtheotherhalfwasusingitasanexcusetogetwhoevertheydidntlikeanditsduringthesetimesthatsomethinghappensthatIcantexplain.ItwaslikeIsteppedoutsideofspaceandtime,everythingturnedblackandwhite;everythinggoesslowmotion.ItslikeIvegotallthetimeintheworldtogofrompointAtopointB,becausethisguyaintmoving.Ok,anditslikeImjustwalking

through,bam,bam,bam,guysgoingdownandthenImgrabbed.ThisguygrabsmebythethroatandIjustsnappedsidewaysandthrewmyhandspalmdown,justthrewthemdownandscreamedinsidemymind.Theguygoesupandback.Inevertouchedhim.Andwhenthathappenedthatendedtheentirefight.ImstandingthereandImlookingaroundandImsuddenlyawarethateverybodywasstaringatmeandsometimeduringthistimethecopshavebeencalled.So,herecomethecops,herecometheambulances,theparamedics,andItalkedtooneofthecopstogiveareport.Halfofthemaretakentothehospital,theotherhalfofthemarebarredout,somearetakentojail.AndIwenttonearestbarIcould


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find,andIsattherebecauseIdidntknowwhattodo.Iknewsomethinghadhappened.Iknewitwasrealbecausepeopleweresayingcominguptome,Whatdidyoudo?Howdidyoudothat?AndIdonthaveananswerforyou.Idontknow.K:Whatyeardidthathappen?D:1989or1990.Imtryingto.Iworkedsomanyjobs,duringthattime,duringthoseyears,whichissomethingelsethatIvebeentoldthatisindicativeofusthathavecomeoutoftheseblackoperations.Iknowfrompersonalexperienceitwouldbethegreatestthingsinceslicedbreadforacoupleofmonthsandthenallofasuddenabossorsupervisorwouldcomeandfindsomethingwrongandwerefired.WhatIfoundoutovertheyearsisthatsnotuniquetome.Theywanttokeepyouonestepbelowpovertylevel,keepsyourmindoccupiedonotherthings.K:Right,survival,dailysurvivalsothatyoucantgofurtherintoyourownmemoriestypeofthings.D:And,theresalsoanotherreasonforthat,andIvebeentoldthisbymorethanoneperson.Wholistenstosomebodywhoisbroke?EverybodylistenstosomeonewhoiswealthyandIthinkthosetwogotogethertomakethat.BillRyan:Thereisanincidentwhichyoualsoreportedthatyoudescribedasakindofpersonalteleportationincidentwhereyouwentthroughawallandyouhadawitness.D:Yes,absolutely.

BillRyan:Whatdoyourecallofthat?

D:IgetfreakedouteverytimeIthinkofthat.ItwasatahouseinOklahomaandIwashelpingafriendofminemoveandIwasintheonebedroomandshewasinthekitchen.Formetogetfromthebedtothefrontdoorwouldentailgoingdown,cuttingacross,down,cuttingacross,averywindyway.WellasIsaidshewasinthekitchenstraightline,kitchen,livingroom,frontdoor,nodoorinbetween,nowallinbetween.WellshewasreadinganddoingherownthinginthekitchenandImsoundasleepandheryoungestsongetsupscreamingandgoesto

thefrontdoortryingtogetout.Its2or3o'clockinthemorning.Shejumpsupandstartstoruntogethim.Ihearthescream,Irememberraisingupononeshoulder,inthemindseeingthekidreachingtowardsthedoorgetoutpastthedoor.ShesaidthatIcameoutthroughthewallinfrontofherandallshecoulddowastostopandsayWHOA.And,IthinkwhateverIdid,ifIfrozeinsidethatwall,thatwouldhavebeenfun.Mygrandfather,mymomsmom,wasafullbloodedCherokee,andhegavemethenameofgreyfeatherandIaskedhimonce,IsaidPops,whatdoesgreyfeathermean?andhesaidIwasabetweenmanandhehadanaccent,andIaskedhimwhathemeansandhesaidyouwalkbetweenworldsandthiswasbeforeIknewanythingaboutanything.Isaw911twoweeksbeforeithappened.IputituponsomebulletinboardsonthenetandIwaslaughedat.IlivedinDelawareatthattime,rightontheeasternshore,

walkingdistancetothebeach.IhadatripplannedtoBoston,coupleofdaysbeforethetripcauseweweregoingtodriveit,Igetaphonecallanditsthemetallicdigitizedvoiceanditsayspostponeyourtrip,twodaywindowplusorminusonedaywhetherhereorhere,theresgoingtobesomethingbiginNewYorkandyoudontwanttogetcaughtinit.K:Now,havetherebeenotherpremonitionsthathaventcometrueyet?D:Yeah,Ihaveseenthiscountryalmostsplitinhalf,Imeanphysicallysplitinhalf.Again,IlivedinDelaware,andIjustlaiddown,itwasoneofthosetimeswhereoneminuteImhereandthenextImhere,andImherelookingdown


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ontheUnitedStates.ThiswasbeforeIknewaboutthesupervolcanoandallthisandthatbutIsawthatareagoingupintoCanada,comingallthewayintoMexico,thewholewesternpartofthecountrysplitofffromtherestoftheUnitedStatesandwhatImseeingislikeariveroffirecomingallthewaydown.K:Anddidyouhaveatimelineforthat?D:Soon,verysoon.K:Soareyoumakinganyplansforyourselfandyourfamilybecauseofwhatyouaredreamingorseeing?D:Yeah.K:Areyoufindingasafeplace?D:There'sreallynotgoingtobeasafeplace.ThebestpreparednessthatIknowofistobeabletobemobile.Thereisnoonesafeplace.IstartedtogopublicwhenIlivedinDelawareafteranattemptwasmadeonmylife.K:Whenwasthatapproximately?D:About2002.IhadotherthingsthathappenedbutnothingwhereIhadmadeanyconnection.Now,Imakeaconnection.IwasoutforajoganditwasinthewintertimeandIhearamotorcycle.Motorcycle?Youeverbeenontheeastcoastinthewintertimewhenthewindblows?Itsfrigid.AndImoutjoggingandIhearamotorcycleandtheearsgoup,hairstartstandingupandIgofromahardruntoalightjogandIseethemotorcycle,solidblackmotorcycle,noinsignia,justsolidblack,tworidersdressedinblackwithblackopaquemasks.

Imgoingthiswayandtheyaregoingthisway.Thisthingisgoingsoslow,Imtryingtofigureouthowintheworldisitstayingupandasitcomesuptome,Imrunningscenarios,Imwearingankleandwristweights,ok,Imwaitingtoseeagun,soImthinkingthisiscomingoff,thisisgoingtothrow,forwardroll,kickthebackwheel,trytogetanadvantage.Theguydoesopenhiscoat,putshishandsinhiscoat-thisistherider.AllIseeistwofingers,pointsthematmeandgoeslikethis(firingofgunsignalingwithhand)andgoesback.Imthinkingthisisjustawarning,ok,andtheyslowlygoondowntheroad

alongrouteonetogonorth.Ididntmakeittensteps,Ihadtopuke,bile,everything,Ihadtocrawlhome,Iwassickforthreedays,IfinallywenttothedoctorandsaidIhavehadsomekindofunknownviralinfection.Hedidshootme...justnotwithagun.HalfthepeoplewhohearwhatIhavetosaylookatitandsaywhatalyingstackofdung.ThisissomuchBS,thereisnowayanyofthiscouldhappen,etc.etc.etc.Well,IllgivearesponsethatIgavetoaguyonaradioshowonenight.Iwishthatweretrue,Idlovetobeabletakeapilleverydayandhaveanicelife,butIcantbecauseitdidhappenandIdonthavethewholestorymyselfandImaynevergetit.Whathappenedtome,andItalkedaboutthesplitpersonality,thatwasjustthetipoftheiceberg,ok.Irememberedthebeatings,beingthrownnakedintoarefrigerator,arefrigeratorroom,becauseI

couldntgetsomethingright,butnotjusttome,buttoallofusinthisparticulargroupandthistypeofstuffshouldnothavehappened.Weconsiderourselvestobeacivilizedfreesociety.Theresnothingcivilizedaboutthis,theresnothingfreeaboutthis.Thereisstrengthinnumbers.Iwouldliketosee,Imeancomeon,youhaveamillionmanmarchonWashingtonputtogetherbysomebodythatthegovernmentlaughedat.Whycouldntwedothesamething?Thisstuffhasgottostop.Youknow,people,likeIsaidweresupposedtoliveinacivilizedfreesociety.Wedont.Whentheycanwalkinandtakeyouasachild,turnyouintoakillerandthenuseyouabuseyouandwhentheyaredone,throw


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youawayandyouaskedearlierwhatistheonethingIwouldliketoseecomeofthisandanysubsequentmovies/videosorwhatever.IwanttositinachairjustlikethisinWashington,DCinfrontofthefullsenateanddemandanswers.Iddoitinaheartbeat.Iaintshy._____________________________

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