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Baga and Beyond
Boko Haram Islamic Terrorism
Between Confrontation and Justice
A Debate
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The recent large scale destruction in the Northern Nigerian Baga community and deaths of
its citizens in the course of the successful effort of the multinational Joint Task Force to
remove the Boko Haram Islamic terrorists from the town has sparked significant debate.
This very energetic debate on various Nigerian centred listserves compiled below is on the
question of relationships between confronting the terrorist challenge and the exercise of
justice in the process.
This compilation of the debate will be updated as the debate progresses.
[Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT
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Auwal Musa
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BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent
violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this
government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence
orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping,
communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence and rape, helps to escalate
impunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in
Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges.
The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunateand in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days
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after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet to be allowed
access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200
people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops fired
indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an
officer.
CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and
systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual respect. To
do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational
discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross
have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a
total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises.
Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the
people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more
dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it
(the Army) in the first place.
CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component of
some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse
and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside
Borno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to
humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to
food is part of civilian protection.
It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to
the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women andchildren. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to
the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into
the Baga saga.
CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an
argument about the right to intervene but about the responsibility to protect and put in
place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives
of people.
CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in thisheinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping
operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the
nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian
Army officers were sent for international peace mission.
CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated
to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is proving to
be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. This menace has
gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.
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Signed by
Auwal Musa Rafsanjani
Executive Director
CISLAC
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental, non-profit
legislative advocacy, lobbying, information sharing and research organization. (CISLAC)
works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate; by enhancing
lobbying strategies; engagement of bills before their passage into law; manpower
development for lawmakers, legislative aides, politicians and the civil society, as well as civiceducation on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights.
CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status
AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)
Address:
No.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street,Off Shehu Shagari Way,
By Bullet Garden, Area 11 Junction,
Asokoro, Abuja - Nigeria
Website: www.cislacnigeria.net
Email: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
GSM: +234-8033844646, 08052370333, 07034118266
E. Obi
Apr 30 (1 day ago)
to usaafricadialo., naijaintellects, rafsanjanikano
After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law
enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the
suspect without massacaring Bostonians.
EUO
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Nigerians are just emotional wretches, a confused bunch of people who like to eat their
cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the
world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people arehandling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control.
A bunch of mindless, rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens
live in a standstill; NO WAY!!! Take care. JUI
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4:02 PM (23 hours ago)
to naijaintellects, usaafricadialo.
There is a world of difference between the Boston bombings involving only two bombers
and the Boko Haram army which is a population integrated into the Northern Nigerian
population, using the civilians as human shields and decoys.
As it is, while the await the various inquiries into the incident, there is no definitive verdict
on who is guilty of the massacre of the civilians, the terrorists or the army.
Thanks
toyion
E. Obi
4:14 PM (23 hours ago)
to naijaintellects, me, usaafricadialo.
You are WRONG. Wait for a detailed response
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There is a world of difference between the Boston bombings involving only two bombers
and the Boko Haram army which is a population integrated into the Northern Nigerian
population, using the civilians as human shields and decoys.
As it is, while the await the various inquiries into the incident, there is no definitive verdict
on who is guilty of the massacre of the civilians, the terrorists or the army.
Thanks
toyin
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E. Obi wrote:
After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law
enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the
suspect without massacaring Bostonians.
EUO
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INNOCENT CIVILIANS
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BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent
violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this
government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence
orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping,
communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence and rape, helps to escalateimpunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in
Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges.
The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very
unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected
victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet to
be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at
least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops firedindiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an
officer.
CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures
and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual
respect. To do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and
operational discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and
Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims
which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to
such crises. Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferingsof the people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a
more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by
it (the Army) in the first place.
CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component
of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse
and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside
Borno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to
humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to
food is part of civilian protection.
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7/96
It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to
the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women and
children. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to
the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into
the Baga saga.
CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an
argument about the right to intervene but about the responsibility to protect and put in
place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives
of people.
CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in
this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping
operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the
nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian
Army officers were sent for international peace mission.
CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira
allocated to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is
proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. This
menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.
Signed by
Auwal Musa Rafsanjani
Executive Director
CISLAC
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental, non-profit
legislative advocacy, lobbying, information sharing and research organization. (CISLAC)works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate; by enhancing
lobbying strategies; engagement of bills before their passage into law; manpower
development for lawmakers, legislative aides, politicians and the civil society, as well as civic
education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights.
CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status
AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)
EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)
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Address:
No.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street,
Off Shehu Shagari Way,
By Bullet Garden, Area 11 Junction,
Asokoro, Abuja - Nigeria
Website: www.cislacnigeria.netEmail: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
GSM: +234-8033844646, 08052370333, 07034118266
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Dr Joe Igietseme,In the communication below,Your opening statement and concluding sentence are 180
degrees out of phase.
I thought you'd go to the very beginning.
The 2nd Boston bomber was captured still breathing, he was taken to the hospital to revive.
The charge sheet for his formal prosecution was brought to him on his hospital bed. That is
the way of civility.
Compare and contrast with Naija's method:
Mohammed Yussuf was arrested. We all saw him handcuffed. He was taken into custody. 24
hours later, his lifeless body was shown to Nigerians with the same handcuffed on!
What happened? The dumb security men with their dumb leaders in govt told Nigerians thathe was shot while attempting to escape.
I thought the kernel of the Nation's jurisprudence is that an accused is presumed innocent
until proven guilty or convicted by a court of competent jurisdiction!?
That was not all; we all saw on You-tube how the same blood-thirsty security agents shot
every one in sight, including crippled folks. We were all outraged by such mindlessness
displayed. What did you do, as a human being? You probably said: "it serves those Islamists
right."
Now we are all victims of the original injustice, man's inhumanity to man! Not so? What are
we going to do? What is the way forward? I dare say, if Mohammed Yussuf had been tried
and, if found guilty of treason or terrorism, had been executed, we probably would not havebeen in this colossal mess. But here we are, our elite with all the knowledge acquired from
the ivory tower cannot even understand this very simple aspect of human existence!
Rotimi.
I am still shaking my head in disbelief o.
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FALSE: ' I dare say, if Mohammed Yussuf had been tried and, if found guilty o...
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"Boko Haram was murderous well before the killing of Yusuf"---toyin adepoju.
Sometimes, one gets horrified when you read some posts that tend to revise our common
history. We watched on you-tube how a police inspector told his colleagues not to waste
bullets. "Let one person just shoot the heart. Don't waste bullet please." That was the
statement of the police inspector while one of them bent over some folks(among them
crippled) and finished them off with single shots to the heart! It was Aljazeera that posted
the video.
Mr Adepoju,
Are you saying that killing people (without formal trial) is alright for decent human living?!
I am still in quandary on the thrust of your contention. You may wish to elucidate please.
Rotimi.
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Stevek 5:22 PM (22 hours ago)
Wow, Joe, You mean that those who do not support the extra-judicial murder of...
Oluwatoyin Adepoju 5:47 PM (21 hours ago)
Fashakin, Please address the point made and its reference to a historical acc...
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JUI:
I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches
as you referred to them.
When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling
massacre.
Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.
How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram
terroristsin the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd?
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How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the
Boko Haram terrorists
The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Serious ailments
need serious solutions!
As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian
casualties
the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to
eradicate
these miscreants.
Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations
where the
federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture.
Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they
could get their 72 virgins in heaven?
Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter?
Bye,
Ola
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People are also much aggrieved not happy at the high civilian casualties.
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They would have preferred that so many people, if any at all died, did not die, their
community destroyed.
toyin
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Dr. Ola Kassim/Dr. Joseph Igietseme:
Please help me out here...
Can you both explain to Nigerians, how then are 'laws enforced around the world',
especially in Canada and in the US where you both reside...
'Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the
baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible
for why the situation is till not under control.
A bunch of mindless, rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizenslive in a standstill; NO WAY!!!' - Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID)
'War is not a joke! The Boko Haram is at war with the lawful authorities in Nigeria.
We can not send our soldiers and policemen into a battle with the Boko Haram
with one arm tied to their backs.
Our soldiers and police are expected to operate within certain rules and bounds--
as per the mission protocol. They are not allowed to kill innocent civilians or Boko Haram
terroristswho have clearly surrendered after dropping their guns and ammunitions and appearing
with both arms raised high above their heads. Any errant soldier or police who participates
in extrajudiocial killings should be courtmartialed.
But how many Bokos have you encountered that would obey the rules of law regarding
surrender?
Boko Haram terrorists are suicidal maniacs whose only mission in engaging in their fruitless
wars is to die to they could each get to enjoy 72 virgins in heaven!' - [email protected]
Do you both seriously then believe all what you wrote here...?
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When did Nigeria declare itself to be at war with Boko Haram, even if you choose to label
them as extremists or terrorists...?
Do members of Boko Haram go around carrying ID cards, and wearing uniforms that would
allow the police and soldiers to shoot them on sight...?
'My only regret would be about the collateral civilian casualties and destruction
of properties which the Nigerian armed forces should avoid as much as they
can reasonably do without further endangering their own lives.' - [email protected]
Really...?
Why still express any regret or any remorse then...when we are presumably 'killing' the
hated members of the Boko Haram...?
What stops soldiers and the police then shooting and killing suspected armed robbers,
MEND,MOSSOB and OPC members in the same manner...?
Or this extra-judicial treatment should be reserved only for this suspected 'bunch of
mindless, rag-tag religionists' labeled loosely as 'Boko Haram'...?
Or what exactly are both you presumably highly educated Nigerians suggesting about how
Nigeria should now handle apprehended criminals in Nigeria - simply shoot them on sight,
without benefit of any form of trial...because they are 'suspected' to belong to Boko
Haram...?
Is this the kind of Nigeria we then want - in 2013 - where people are simply shot by security
personals because they are suspected to belong to an extremist group...?
Dr. Valentine Ojo
Tall Timbers, MD
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:40 PM, wrote:
SteveK:
There is nothing in my submission that could be reasonably
interpreted as an approval of extrajudicial execution as a mode
of justice.
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I was one of those who protested the extrajudicil execution
of Yussuf by the Nigerian police.
The operations in Baga were aimed at flushing out Boko Haram
religious extremists.
I will not shed any tears if some or all of the Bokos end being killed
in gunfire with the police or the Nigerian armed forces.
My only regret would be about the collateral civilian casualties and destruction
of properties which the Nigerian armed forces should avoid as much as they
can reasonably do without further endangering their own lives.
War is not a joke! The Boko Haram is at war with the lawful authorities in Nigeria.
We can not send our soldiers and policemen into a battle with the Boko Haram
with one arm tied to their backs.
Our soldiers and police are expected to operate within certain rules and bounds--
as per the mission protocol. They are not allowed to kill innocent civilians or Boko Haram
terrorists
who have clearly surrendered after dropping their guns and ammunitions and appearing
with both arms raised high above their heads. Any errant soldier or police who
participates in extrajudiocial killings
should be courtmartialed.
But how many Bokos have you encountered that would obey the rules of law regardingsurrender?
Boko Haram terrorists are suicidal maniacs whose only mission in engaging in their
fruitless
wars is to die to they could each get to enjoy 72 virgins in heaven! They are no boy scouts.
No reasonably human being whould shed any tears for them.
Bye,
Ola
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That's what I thought. That NIDO thing again.
You guys amaze me.
Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of
the Rule of Law and Due Process. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is
really guilty of anything or not.
Yet, you Olola, want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right
to. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel betterthat you are doing something against Boko Haram.
You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole!
due process of law
n. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters, both civil and criminal, especially
in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of
rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will
result. While somewhat indefinite, the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both
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life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th
Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both
procedural and substantive rights
I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria!
As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.
Stevek
Washington, DC, USA
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JUI:
I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional
wretches
as you referred to them.
When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling
massacre.
Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.
How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haramterrorists
in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd?
How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the
Boko Haram terrorists
The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Serious ailments
need serious solutions!
As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian
casualtiesthe government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to
eradicate
these miscreants.
Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations
where the
federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture.
Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they
could get their 72 virgins in heaven?
Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter?
Bye,
Ola
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Nigerians are just emotional wretches, a confused bunch of people who like to eat theircake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the
world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are
handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control.
A bunch of mindless, rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render
citizens live in a standstill; NO WAY!!! Take care. JUI
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After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law
enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the
suspect without massacaring Bostonians.
EUO
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Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violentviolation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this
government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence
orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping,
communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence and rape, helps to escalate
impunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in
Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges.
The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very
unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected
victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet tobe allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at
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least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops fired
indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an
officer.
CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures
and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual
respect. To do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic andoperational discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and
Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims
which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to
such crises. Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings
of the people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a
more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by
it (the Army) in the first place.
CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component
of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse
and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outsideBorno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to
humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to
food is part of civilian protection.
It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to
the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women and
children. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to
the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into
the Baga saga.
CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an
argument about the right to intervene but about the responsibility to protect and put inplace a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives
of people.
CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in
this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping
operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the
nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian
Army officers were sent for international peace mission.
CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira
allocated to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is
proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. Thismenace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.
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CISLAC
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'When Putin sent his squads to liquidate some Chechen rebels in Kagistan a few days--no
one heard the Russians shouting massacre massacre!'
Dr. Ola Kassim:
I did not read that anywhere, and I did not realize that Nigerians were same people as
Russians who belong to an ethnicity different from the Chechnyans!
And Kirghistan is a different country from Russia, no...?
'The Tsarnaeve brothers were mere suspects in the Boston Marathon Bomb attacks when
they were on tthe run from law enforcement; they became the accused bombers after theystarted shooting back at the police.' - [email protected]
And...?
How many Americans/Bostonians were killed for the Boston police to arrest the Tsarneve
brothers - and was one of the brothers not captured alive and even taken in for medical
treatment...?
Why wasn't he just wasted like a wild beast...?
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Can't you see the difference between how human beings treat other human beings - and
how WILD ANIMALS treat each other...?
If you can't, Dr. Ola Kassim, then I seriously wonder what your education and what your
decades spent in a country like Canada training to become a medical doctor is worth!
Same applies to your Dr. Joseph 'Stalin' Igietseme!
But then I presume Africans - especially Nigerians - will forever remain WILD ANIMALS as far
as humanity is concerned!
How sad!
Dr. Valentine Ojo
Tall Timbers, MD
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM, wrote:
Or this extra-judicial treatment should be reserved only for this suspected 'bunch of
mindless, rag-tag religionists' labeled loosely as 'Boko Haram'...?
Dr Ojo:
When you point a gun or lob a grenade or improvised
explosive device at a police officer or soldier you 'graduate'
from being just a mere suspect as a Boko Haram terrorist
to a real flesh and blood terrorist.
If you keep on in your errant ways after being warned todrop your weapons--no reasonable human beings except
clueless bleeding heart liberals should blame the police
or the soldiers if you are shot and either killed or wounded.
The Tsarnaeve brothers were mere suspects in the Boston Marathon
Bomb attacks when they were on the on the run from law enforcement;
they became the accused bombers after they started shooting back at the police.
The same goes for their wacko Boko brethren in northern Nigeria.
We do not expect Boko Haramist terrorist to wear labels on their headsor badges on their clothing identifying them as terrorists.
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However, when they start shooting back at the ploice and soldiers
in a territory where they have been previously active, the law enforement
officers should not be second guessed when they start returning fire
on the assumption that they are the true terrorists.
When they walk and quack like a terrorist and threaten the lives of police officers and
civilianswith their weapons they should be treated like terrorists until proven otherwise.
Until Baga, the Nigerian government has been very restrained in its deployment of the
arsenals
at its disposal==appearing seemingly weak ann helpless in the presence or heavily armed
Boko Haram terrorists who have been receiving surplus weapons from the rebels in Libya.
It is time for GEJ to start acting like the Commander in Chief that he truly is.
When Putin sent his squads to liquidate some Chechen rebels in Kagistan
a few days--no one heard the Russians shouting massacre massacre!
Bye,
Ola
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Stevek,
Dont you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement
to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of
citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out
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how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all
look up to for global best practices in democratic practices, civil liberties and public safety.
Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX, when it became necessary to
hunt down the terror snipers in DC, Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us
realize that the consideration of due process is secondary to the immediate response to
any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties, such as what we have with Boko
Haram; BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights
defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent, civilized modern society! Their
ancestral land is not occupied; they have not been denied the rights to worship as they
choose or like; they are not being forced to do anything! Rather, this religious sect wants to
impose its doctrine on the rest of society; and the members use killing of innocent people,
destructions and intimidations as their tactics; What else constitutes a threat to public
safety, human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful
polity to grow its democracy, build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and
technologically? Where is the room for due process in a situation where citizens are beingterrorized, innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range
in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses due process under such a climate.
In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: Unusual problems require uncommon
solutions! Take care. JUI
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That's what I thought. That NIDO thing again.
You guys amaze me.
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Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the
Rule of Law and Due Process. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really
guilty of anything or not.
Yet, you Olola, want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right
to. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better
that you are doing something against Boko Haram.
You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole!
due process of law
n. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters, both civil and criminal, especially
in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of
rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will
result. While somewhat indefinite, the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both
private and public rights against unfairness. The universal guarantee of due process is in the
Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No person shallbe deprived oflife, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th
Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both
procedural and substantive rights
I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria!
As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.
Stevek
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Ola, I could not agree with you more. The fact that a set of hoodlums can hold 160 million
persons, who also happen to claim the title of the most populous nation in Africa is a shame
in the first order. It is even more so that the Nigerian government is so yellow-bellied that it
negotiates with terrorists, the poignancy of the fact being that GEJ's government if you can
call it that is a farce. The concept of Blackmail is that it perpetuates itself and if, mark my
words, if Boko " Harem's " tenure ever ends, another terror could promptly take its place,
for the fact that there is a higher than normal probability that they will get whatever then
want by sheer brute force. Lyndon Baines Johnson was an accidental President, just as
Nigeria's current one [their bosses died and they took over], but Johson had an agenda andmost of the policies in the US including Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start and the Civil Rights
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Act of 1964 all stand as a beacon of light of his achievement till date. Johnson's undoing was
his preoccupation with Vietnam. On the other hand, the Nigerian accidental President?
What President? So, the axiom that we deserve the government we have could not have
been more apt. Nigerians, especially those in advisory positions and even those who suffer
under it [give them a cup of rice and they will all sing the praises even of those who ravaged
them] present as some of the most sycophantic or all lackeys, and unashamedly so. And tothink that this charade is orchestrated to continue after 2015? Ola, I pray thee, say it is not
so.
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You said it all in a few words!
Dr Ojo and his ilk act tough only with
ordinary Nigerians; they dive for cover
when ever they are confronted even with just
the shadows of terrorists like the BokoHaram.
Let Dr Ojo visit Borno state and start
referring to the Boko Wackos as 'African monkeys'
and we'll see if he survives the encounter even for a minute.
The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperity
and Security of her citizens nationwide!
The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limbwhich is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation
or else the gangrene consumes the rest of the body.
Bye,
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The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperity and Security of her
citizens nationwide! The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limb which
is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation or else the gangrene consumes the
rest of the body.Unquote Dr Ola Kassim!
JUI would like to endorse this statement as it pertains to the menace of Boko Haram inNigeria!
As we have said previously, it is IMPORTANT for us to realiz e that the consideration of due
process is secondary to the immediate response to any mindless terror threat to lives
and public properties, such as what we have with Boko Haram; BH members are not fighting
any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or
embraced by any decent, civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied; they
have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like; they are not being forced
to do anything! Rather, this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society;
and the members use killing of innocent people, destructions and intimidations as theirtactics; What else constitutes a threat to public safety, human rights and senseless menace
to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy, build her
functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for
due process in a situation where citizens are being terrorized, innocent lives are be ing
mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious
society that discusses due process under such a climate. In the apt words of US President
Harry Truman: Unusual problems require uncommon solutions!
Besides, after securing lives and properties of citizens from the terror [by whatever means
necessary], and the perpetrators are apprehended, the due process will commenceappropriately! Take care. JUI
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There can be no resort to due process, before those who are terrorizing a country in the
name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. It is the formal arrest that
brings the culprits into the open judicial process. The situation facing Nigeria calls for
responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders, and the general
public, especially in the areas most affected. They have to stand up and take active roles in
bringing the terrorists to book.
Of course, collateral damage must be avoided. However, people cannot accept a situation
where trepidation about collateral damage, turns the larger society into a helpless victim, tobe used for target practice at will, by some fringe elements, who are bent on terrorizing the
population.
What we have right now is similar, in a lot of ways, to the situation that the United States
faced with Osama Bin Ladin, who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and
the Pentagon, lived among his protectors in Pakistan, while continuing to direct all sorts of
terrorist acts. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him
in, he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world.
As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change thesituation, Osama would be alive. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his
Miranda rights and arrest him, once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. If several
people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin, would the world have called
that a massacre? No.
I thank you.
Fubara David-West.
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There can be no resort to due process, before those who are terrorizing a country inthe name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. It is the formal arrest
that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. Unquote Bro Fubara!
Daalu Bro Fubara for capturing and explicitly clarifying this vital POINT! Take care. JUI
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There can be no resort to due process, before those who are terrorizing a country in the
name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. It is the formal arrest that
brings the culprits into the open judicial process. The situation facing Nigeria calls for
responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders, and the general
public, especially in the areas most affected. They have to stand up and take active roles in
bringing the terrorists to book.
Of course, collateral damage must be avoided. However, people cannot accept a situation
where trepidation about collateral damage, turns the larger society into a helpless victim, to
be used for target practice at will, by some fringe elements, who are bent on terrorizing the
population.
What we have right now is similar, in a lot of ways, to the situation that the United States
faced with Osama Bin Ladin, who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and
the Pentagon, lived among his protectors in Pakistan, while continuing to direct all sorts ofterrorist acts. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him
in, he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world.
As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change the
situation, Osama would be alive. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his
Miranda rights and arrest him, once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. If several
people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin, would the world have called
that a massacre? No.
I thank you.
Fubara David-West.
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From: "Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)"
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Stevek,
Dont you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement
to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of
citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out
how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all
look up to for global best practices in democratic practices, civil liberties and public safety.
Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX, when it became necessary to
hunt down the terror snipers in DC, Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us
realize that the consideration of due process is secondary to the immediate response to
any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties, such as what we have with Boko
Haram; BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meets the human rights
defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent, civilized modern society! Their
ancestral land is not occupied; they have not been denied the rights to worship as they
choose or like; they are not being forced to do anything! Rather, this religious sect wants to
impose its doctrine on the rest of society; and the members use killing of innocent people,
destructions and intimidations as their tactics; What else constitutes a threat to publicsafety, human rights and senseless menace to a society that is in a desperate need for a
peaceful polity to grow its democracy, build her functional institutions and advance
scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for due process in a situation where
citizens are being terrorized, innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property
destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses due process
under such a climate.
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Dr. Ola Kassim:
It is not in my power, and neither is it my position to 'act tough with ordinary Nigerians' or
with anyone - I am not in control of the police or the army!
Like you and your 'lion killer', Buster Ogbuagu, Ogbeni Rotimi and myself have merely
expressed our own personal opinions.
I do not live in Borno State, and I have no plans to ever live in Borno State or any reason to
have to 'dive for cover when ever they are confronted even with just the shadows of
terrorists like the Boko Haram'!
Coming from a supposedly educated Nigerian like you, this too illiterate a level of discussion,
and I will not descend that low!
You are of course free to fee feel very proud and tough about your stance.
We see how effectively your Nigerian army and the police have been able to deal with the
Boko Haram, and how tough your Jonathan has been in facing up to them.
Enu dunun r'ofo, agada owo se e s'anko!
Continue fighting the Boko Haram with your empty mouth and we'll see how far that will
get anyone.
Dr. Valentine Ojo
Tall Timbers, MD
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Buster:
You said it all in a few words!
Dr Ojo and his ilk act tough only withordinary Nigerians; they dive for cover
when ever they are confronted even with just
the shadows of terrorists like the Boko
Haram.
Let Dr Ojo visit Borno state and start
referring to the Boko Wackos as 'African monkeys'
and we'll see if he survives the encounter even for a minute.
The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperityand Security of her citizens nationwide!
The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limb
which is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation
or else the gangrene consumes the rest of the body.
Bye,
Ola
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Ola, I could not agree with you more. The fact that a set of hoodlums can hold 160 million
persons, who also happen to claim the title of the most populous nation in Africa is a shame
in the first order. It is even more so that the Nigerian government is so yellow-bellied that it
negotiates with terrorists, the poignancy of the fact being that GEJ's government if you cancall it that is a farce. The concept of Blackmail is that it perpetuates itself and if, mark my
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words, if Boko " Harem's " tenure ever ends, another terror could promptly take its place,
for the fact that there is a higher than normal probability that they will get whatever then
want by sheer brute force. Lyndon Baines Johnson was an accidental President, just as
Nigeria's current one [their bosses died and they took over], but Johson had an agenda and
most of the policies in the US including Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start and the Civil Rights
Act of 1964 all stand as a beacon of light of his achievement till date. Johnson's undoing washis preoccupation with Vietnam. On the other hand, the Nigerian accidental President?
What President? So, the axiom that we deserve the government we have could not have
been more apt. Nigerians, especially those in advisory positions and even those who suffer
under it [give them a cup of rice and they will all sing the praises even of those who ravaged
them] present as some of the most sycophantic or all lackeys, and unashamedly so. And to
think that this charade is orchestrated to continue after 2015? Ola, I pray thee, say it is not
so.
Buster Ogbuagu
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After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law
enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the
suspect without massacaring Bostonians.
EUO
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BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANSCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent
violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this
government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence
orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping,
communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence and rape, helps to escalate
impunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in
Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges.
The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very
unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affectedvictims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet to
be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at
least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops fired
indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an
officer.
CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures
and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual
respect. To do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and
operational discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and
Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victimswhich is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to
such crises. Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings
of the people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a
more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by
it (the Army) in the first place.
CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component
of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse
and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside
Borno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to
humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access tofood is part of civilian protection.
It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to
the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women and
children. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to
the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into
the Baga saga.
CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an
argument about the right to intervene but about the responsibility to protect and put in
place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives
of people.
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CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in
this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping
operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the
nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian
Army officers were sent for international peace mission.
CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Nairaallocated to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is
proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. This
menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.
Signed by
Auwal Musa Rafsanjani
Executive Director
CISLAC
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental, non-profit
legislative advocacy, lobbying, information sharing and research organization. (CISLAC)
works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate; by enhancing
lobbying strategies; engagement of bills before their passage into law; manpower
development for lawmakers, legislative aides, politicians and the civil society, as well as civic
education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights.
CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status
AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)
Address:
No.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street,
Off Shehu Shagari Way,
By Bullet Garden, Area 11 Junction,
Asokoro, Abuja - Nigeria
Website: www.cislacnigeria.net
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