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ell, This is really a good topic to start with and I hope we have a great GDhere.

I will in Favor of this decision by Mr. Kapil Sibbal,India's minister in charge ofhigher education.

This decision will be a milestone in Indian Education System and I am surestudents will follow this tradition in full enthusiast. Our education system lacksin quality courses in some areas and by allowing foreign universities in IndianEducation I think we will have exposure about how they deal with differenttechnologies and different resources. This will make students really productiveand we achieve new heights in our Developing Country.

This decision also helps in stopping students to stay in foreigns for higherstudies. As we are having Foreign Universities here itself in India then whyStudents move to foreign for the same and this will really give new era to oursociety.

This will lower the chances of Fraud to students as the foreign universitieshave collaboration with Indian government directly. So chances of fraud willbe less and student gain their interested areas without having a brain drain.Most people may think Indian Education system should not allow entrance offoreign universities in India as they fear to affect their own courses runningwith high profit. Their profit will be less if student move to foreign universitiesbut this will prove a really great thing if we have courses designed forInternational level and our Indian Universities indeed need to adapt thesechanges to motivate students to be productive and stay in India itself anddon't run to other countries for Job search.

This will really give new era to our Education system. I bet thins decision willprove a milestone in Indian society and Indians will gain to its fullest in allareas.

RegardsAmit SiwachISC Gold Member

Author: Karthik Member Level:Gold Member Rank: 70 Date:

21/May/2010 Rating: Points: 6

Hello,

To startup about this GD I am completely in favor of decision made by ourhonorable minister Mr.Kapil Sibbal to collaborate foreign universities with us.

They are many reasons for my support to his decision, in his short span oftime he really brought a lot of change in the Indian education system. Todaywe see that many graduate students are migrating to foreign countries forMasters. Once a student drift to foreign country for higher education he/she
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may invest a lot for their higher education and later on in order to earn theirmoney back that they have invested for higher education, they stay there andhunt for their jobs and later they settle over there. In this way the country islosing many precious graduates. By collaborating foreign universities thestudents don't migrate and they can have the same quality education in their

home country and severe their nation.

Secondly, they are many universities in India which are outstanding atbachelors level but not so good at Master's level except the prestigious IIT'sand NIT's. The reason for this is that at master's level you need to do lot ofresearch work and unfortunately our country is unable to produce such labs.This is another main reason for students migrating to foreign countries.

Thirdly, the country requires around twenty thousands post graduate studentsevery year in the field of Engineering but they are only 50% of the seatsavailable, so obviously the rate of production of post graduates are less. All

these reasons are the main cause of many students to drift to foreigncountries for higher education.

To sum up, its a very good decision made by Mr.Kapil Sibbal to collaboratewith foreign universities to improve the value of Indian education. I wouldstrongly say that if not today at-least in another couple of years with thisdecision of collaborating with foreign universities will bring a remarkablechange in our education system and more over the country can produce asmany post graduates as required.

Regards,Karthik.Join Hyderabadspider and Share Your Knowledge

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Hai,The decision taken by honorable Mr.Kapil Sibbal, minister in charge higher

education in India is a commendable one.No doubt we have massive braindrain in the name of higher education along with lost to revenue in the nameof Government sponsored scholarships. So it will be check mate to someextent.How ever one thing that bothers, are we Indian will be as honest and devoidof corruption. As these foreign University will pump in huge amount of moneyand material. We must not forget that though Indians has excelled outside butstill we have murky picture of taking bribe and misappropriation of fund.Is our educationist,administrators and policy formulator of higher educationare prepared to shield the impact ?
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Author: Shiv Thantharatey Member Level:Gold Member Rank: 324

Date: 22/May/2010 Rating: Points: 2

HiIt's a good decision by our honorable minister Mr.Kapil Sibbal.It will give our student a chance to study in reputed foreign university in India.

Author: Vellamji Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 300 Date:


Iam infavour of the decision taken by our honourable minister.There ara manystudents who go abroad to pursue higher education as their educational

system is more standard and due to the craze of westernisation..With theintorduction of foreign universities in India,there will be less chances for braindrain.However,there should be alternatives arranged so that Indian studentswill get equivalent jobs in India itself rather than going abroad..students opt forforiegn university based education so that they will get good job and pay.

Author: Malhar Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 157 Date:

22/May/2010 Rating: Points: 6In March 2010, the Union Cabinet gave its nod to the HRD Minister's proposalto allow foreign universities to set up operations in India. The ForeignEducational Institutions bill has now been submitted to parliament for itsapproval. Even though there's a lot of excitement in the air about thisproposed bill, this clearly is the case of misplaced priorities by thegovernment.

It is a fact that each years, thousands of students leave the Indian shore forperusing higher education, thereby yearly $4 billion being drained out of thecountry. It is also a fact that barring the IITs and IIMs, there are hardly any

institutes of international standard in India. The status of higher education inthe country s pathetic. But to invite foreign universities to clear up the mess ishardly the solution.

Firstly the gap between demand and supply of intake capacity for highereducation is so large that even if some foreign universities set up their shops,this gap is unlikely to be filled. Secondly, the impression is being created that,as soon as the bill gets through, the foreign universities will line up in front ofKapil Sibbal with initial investment of 50 Crores (as required in the provisionsof bill). It will certainly be not so. In all probability, world's top institutes likeOxford and Yale will keep away. Instead, a plethora of B-grade universities

may just flood the market to make easy money!
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There's a mad craze about education abroad especially amongst the neo-affluent section of the society. So, even if the foreign universities do set uptheir branches here, this section of students, attracted more by the westernlifestyle than by the quality of education, will still look westwards. What ismore, the Indian branches of these universities will offer courses at much

more higher fees than their Indian counterparts, that will make these institutesout of reach of common man!

What the government and especially Mr.Kapil Sibbal, the self proclaimedmessiah of educational reforms, is conveniently ignoring is the fact thatIndian universities are, and can be as good as the best in the world, but areseverely crippled by complex rules and procedures, red tape, politicalinterference etc. Instead of addressing these ground realities, the HRDminister is looking towards these foreign institutes to put his house in order.That is why I say that the bill is a case of misplaced priorities and will serve nopurpose as far as improving the state of higher education in India.

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Author: Amit Siwach Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 138 Date:


Malhar has brought the GD back to track by opposing this Decision of

Government.

We really are not of world class in higher studies. There are several bignames and big persons which have gone to foreign for higher studies. This isbecause we lack the content of resources and technology being used in othercountries.

The way other countries influence their students by having some exploratoryand easy understandable methods do we have those? I dont think here inIndia except few universities serves the world class higher education.

Though we have Indians who studied here in India and made ground in othercountries and doing well there. But the fact is how much they have to strugglefor this level. At least one has to do a course to find a job in foreign. Ain't thisa drawback in Indian Education.To make our Indian Education of World class, we have to import there way ofteaching and their course contents which made them easy to search a job andhow to be a success.

I would though like this concept as this will give more emphasize on studiesand study material also the way we are turning our career by having newsyllabus in India. This will impact our system.I also like to say that we Indian do adopt things easily but we know what isbad and what is good for us. If we had Western universities here then lifestyle
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is not supposed to come. As you are an adult when you move to college oruniversity hence we can not say that western Lifestyle will impact us.Don't we have lifestyle adopted years back when English came in to India. Wehave to concentrate on the level of our higher education and have to adoptthings from other countries which seems to impact us on development basis.


Author: m k mathai Member Level: Bronze Member Rank: 1797 Date:


our education system is probably one of the best in the world. that is why ourboys and girls are gainfully employed all over the world.

so what great content can be offered by the foreign universities who want tocome to india is not clear.

yet we indians still have that craze for things foreign. so let us welcome theforeign universities.

anyway there is no logic in opposing the idea. at least they are bringing inmore opportunities for higher studies especially in the technology sector.



Hello,

As said my Mr.Amit Siwach, Mr.Malhar has made this GD lively by opposingthe decision.

Well Mr.Malhar you said that most of the students are attracted to westernlifestyle than the quality of education over there and as most of them areattracted by their culture even though these universities if established in Indiaserve no real use. This might be true in case of around 10 to 15% of thestudents, but the remaining 85% of the students are mainly for studying andearning their jobs. So if a foreign universities are collaborated with Indianuniversities these 85% of the students are going to stay back in India and canbe turned out as a useful fruit to our country.

I myself serves as live example for this. I have finished my B.Tech and now

planning to do MS in USA. I have applied for some universities and got admit.Moreover I don't know how many of you are aware of this, there is one foreign
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university which has already been collaborated with some of the Indianuniversities like IIIT-H, JNTU-H, AU etc for the last few years and offers acourse MSIT(Master of Science in Information Technology) which isequivalent to MS. I have also applied for this university and if I get admit I amgoing to stay back in India. One more thing is that IIIT-H also offers M.Tech

on its own and the people who applied for this course in IIIT-H are less. Thereason for this the low quality education at masters level but the sameuniversity when collaborated with foreign university and offers MSIT there areabundant students who have applied for this course. The reason for this isquite simple since it is a foreign university and the quality of education isdefinitely much far better than us at masters level.

I can even support my statement by saying that, lets consider the generalcase, today we see many students after 3 to 4 years of spending their life inforeign countries are returning back. One main reason for this is the "self-satisfaction" which they can't get there. So if these people are attracted to

western life then they need to stay there for a long period, but this is not thecase. Once the students finish their masters they are staying there for another2 or 3 years to earn what they have invested and little bit more and returningback to home country. Only few people are residing over there permanently.In order to protect these few people and making them to retain in our countryand serve their talent for the nation we need to collaborate with foreignuniversities for higher education.


Author: Nikhil Shelke Member Level: Gold Member

Rank: 93 Date: 24/May/2010 Rating: Points: 6

Hello everyone,

The foreign University bill seeks"to regulate entry and operation of foreign educational institutions imparting or

intending to impart higher education (including technical education and awardof degree, diploma and equivalent qualifications by such institutions)."

Every developmental scheme has certain pros and cons. Similarly this bill hascertain cons as pointed out by Mr. Malhar. Some of them are absolutely rightbut some are not right. But looking at the larger picture, this bill will definitelyrevolutionize higher education in India and will be a major step in reducingbrain drain.

Regarding your point about the gap between demand and supply for highereducation, it is true that there is very high demand for higher education andmore so for quality higher education in India. But this bill will only help tobridge the gap. It may not completely fill the gap, but within certain amount of
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time it will not remain such a big factor.

Maybe the top Universities will not come. Maybe there will not be a line ofUniversities outside the door of Mr. Kapil Sibbal. But whatever Universities willcome will definitely wont be B-grade as you mentioned. Why will a foreign

University invest crores of rupees to set up infrastructure in India if it isalready sub-standard? Just for a statistic, only the IITs and IIMs and a fewother colleges in the country are capable of providing world class education inIndia. Almost all the Universities in U.S. and a few from Australia, U.K andGermany are ranked much higher than even our IITs. No wonder so manystudents are attracted to go abroad. So, even if Yale and Oxford do not come,there are many world class universities which will come. In fact ImperialCollege, Duke College,Georgia Tech and the Schulich School of Businesshave already set up plans and are in talking terms with Mr. Kapil Sibbal.Following these many others will rope in. University presidential delegationsfrom Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon and Purdue have come to

India when the bill was announced in 2006 initially. It is very likely that theseuniversities will join sooner than later.

As Karthik said there are very few students who are attracted by their lifestyle.And even if they are, withing a few years they feel attraction to theirhomeland. The main reason for the brain drain is the kind of education andjob opportunities available abroad. Most important is the earning in dollarsabroad.

Once you have Universities coming in India, they will come offering jobs notonly in India but also abroad. This will result in huge savings as cost of livingin India is very less. When a student goes abroad, he spends nearly Rs.15 to20lakh overall. Out of this only 30% is the tuition fees. Most of the Universitieshave tuition fees of only Rs. 3 to 7lakh per annum. Now, if he is getting thesame education and same job opportunities from India itself, why will he goabroad? This will not only prevent a lot of brain drain but will also be amilestone of providing quality education in India.

Finally, I would finish concluding that this bill will definitely be a milesone forhigher education in India. I am definitely in support for the bill.

Regards,Nikhil Shelke

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Author: Vandana Member Level:Diamond Member


Foreign Universities in India? Why have them & Why we should nothave them are the two points to be discussed in this GD.
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Let's begin with the 'Why' - why we should welcome this move: It isnot just a question of stopping the brain drain, but also financialdrain. After all, it is unlikely that the student is paying for his/heraspirations. It is the parents and/or family members who have to

cough up the amount. An airline ticket alone costs a bomb! Thenthere are the tuition fees, the books, the accommodation (even foron-campus room you need to pay), food, travel money for movingaround in the foreign city, etc. Is it worth it to drain your family'sfinancial pockets? I don't think so. By having foreign universitiesright here, the expenses are definitely considerably reduced.

Secondly, you may be aware that in foreign universities there isoften a varied choice of subjects which may not even be related.You can, for example, study for a Master's Degree in EnglishLiterature and, simultaneously, study for a Master's Degree in Music.Which Indian University actually offers such a varied choice? Here,you will have to do both these subjects separately, perhaps oneafter the other, which means more years spent in education thanyou would like. With India opening its doors to foreign Universities,students would certainly welcome the chance to study in more thanone field.

Thirdly, it is quite possible that the entry of foreign universities willcreate more career oppurtunities. From an acquaintance I came toknow of an educated Professor with many years teaching

experience being denied a chance to teach in a top Institute hereonly because his Ph.D. was not of a foreign university! Of course,that's totally ridiculous and unfair. Maybe the entry of a foreignuniversity offering a Ph.D. could land that Professor the much-coveted teaching job.

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Now let's see the other side of the coin - why we should notwelcome foreign Universities in India:

Firstly, as in India, there could be foreign universities which are notreally universities in the true sense of the word. How is the

Education Minister going to keep a tab on a flood of so-called foreignUniversities jumping into the fray to make a quick buck? In the
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name of education, we could have universities setting up shop here,taking fees, and not providing the requisite education, perhaps evenclosing up after some time. Also, are foreign universities going to beallowed to physicallyset up their infrastructure here? If so, it is higlylikely that our wonderful bureaucrats rub their hands in glee at the

very thought of making money from bribes to get things donequickly!

Secondly, who is going to guarantee that the degrees offered bythem are valid/genuine?

Thirdly, will a foreign university degree give 100% guarantee that itwill get the student a job? Suppose prospective employers refuse toaccept such a degree as eligibility? What is the student supposed todo? Enrol for a degree course all over again with an IndianUniversity?!


Author: RR Member Level:Gold Member Rank: 110 Date:

24/May/2010 Rating: Points: 6If we go by the history of globalization in India we see that a section of peopleand political parties were against the enterance of MNCs in India. Lot ofprotests were seen across India. People had this apprehension that this willlead to unemployment. Some people also had the view that the MNC's willtake over Indian companies and will rule Indian markets.

When we see the results today it is altogether different. The globalizationgave way for huge employment opportunities for the Indian youth. Thestandard of living improved drastically and the salaries shot up vertically.

The Indians companies grew and made their mark in the world market. Thestandard of indian companies and quality of their products also improved tomatch the International Standards.

Similarly I think with the advent of the Foreign Universities the standard ofeducation will improve further. The Indian Universities in order to survive willpull up their socks to match the International Standards.

With the intense competition we will see improvement in quality and decreasein fee structure. The education will become economical and affordable for the

Indians.
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I see a great future of Indian Education system with the arrival of ForeignUniversities.

Government allowing the Foreign Universities does not mean they have allthe powers and work as per their norms. There will be certain guidelines by

the Government of India and they have to follow them.

Thanks and RegardsRajesh RanaCareer After Graduation

Author: RR Member Level:Gold Member Rank: 110 Date:

24/May/2010 Rating: Points: 4By allowing the Foreign Universities doesn't mean every Tom Dick and Harrywill come and open his University or any University can enter India. There willbe set norms and standards that these universiies need to meet before theyare given license to enter India.

It is the same way the permission is given to the Foreign Life Insurers orBanks who are doing business in India and people trust them and invest theirmoney. The Government will take care of all these things before grantingpermissions to the Universities.

There is no point to worry here. We will get to see big names here in India.There will be no need to go to Australia, UK or US for higher studies. We willhave the same standard here in India.

Thanks and RegardsRajesh RanaCareer After Graduation

Author: Deeptesh Sharma Member Level: Gold Member


Hi,

As foreign universities are entered into India it will decrease the admissionrate in Indian universities and also students who are going foreign countriesfor education will also decrease.

India is having one of the best education system in the world but it can beimproved and be among the top. By few foreign universities entered will not

effect our education system but it will change it.
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Hello Vandana Mam,

You have raised some valid questions in your second response. I have

answers for some of your questions, as you said that "who is going toguarantee that the degrees offered by them are valid/genuine?" if a foreignuniversity is going to collaborate with the Indian university the degree to thestudents is given in the name of Indian university and not on the name offoreign university, in this way the foreign universities which are going to beestablished here are working for the betterment of our education system. Asstated by me in my previous response regarding the course MSIT, this iscourse started by one of the foreign university, Carnegie Mellon University, incollaboration with some of the universities in AP like JNTU-H, IIIT-H, AU, OU,SVU. For the last few years this course has gained immense popularity andthe degree is given in the name of those universities of AP on not on the

name of Carnegie Mellon University. So there is definitely a quality educationproduced by this university and since the degree is in the name of our IndianUniversities it will be valid degree.

Coming to your other question "will a foreign university degree give 100%guarantee that it will get the student a job?" No university irrespective ofIndian or Foreign can guarantee 100% job for all students. They can providejob opportunities by bringing on campus placements, thats all a university cando, later on it depends on the student to what extent he can maximize theopportunity. In general no company will refuse this degree as I have seenmany students from IIIT-H who have been well placed with MSIT degree. If

any company refuses their degree, why will our government encourage suchan act? Moreover no student wishes to study in such a university and the steptaken by them is going to be of no use. If the act is been implemented thegovernment will make sure that the degree is valid anywhere in the world.


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hello friends,i have a mixed opinion about foreign universities coming in our country, these

universities are not those who made it to the top of the most popularuniversities in the world, however these foreign university would also hold abright future to us, cause of their education system will allow Indian student toexplore much beyond the current system. We can also expect somestandardization of the education from being just a degree to giving meaning toit.finally i want to concluded saying that we always have had a special place forforeign universities and its pretty safe for them to come to India rather let ourstudents suffer there in their homeland campus.



This is really enthusiastic when we see such responses from all members.Concern here is if we are going to take advantage of this offer or we are goingto give advantage to universities by throwing them bulk money.

As far as fees structure is concerned to these upcoming universities in India ifeverything goes right, I believe we must have a predefined Fee Structure

which will be affordable by Indian students. Now if we have reasonable FeeStructure and quality of Course content of International level, Then what isharm in that. We are suppose to study the things which whole world isstudying and getting familiar to new technologies. By offering theseuniversities to step in India we believe we brought our Education system inmuch broader way than we have now. We all know we are limited in somecourses and do not offer best quality with respect to interest of students.

I would like to say as we are going to new era of education then what is harmin implementing new courses which can bring new direction to our technologyand resources. I know we are not much behind with the world but new

universities should bring such courses which can give maximum todevelopment in Indian infrastructure and can support Indian development byvalidating the things we can have as new entrepreneurship and new ideas todevelop our country.

I still can say this act by Mr. Kapil Sibbal will prove a milestone in IndianEducation System. When we have limelight on international courses then ouruniversities lack behind and once we setup such infrastructure then we candevelop our course to furnish more and can avoid all kinds drains.

Regards

Amit SiwachISC Gold Member
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Author: eshant Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 275 Date:

25/May/2010 Rating: Points: 6Hi friends,

The topic is very fresh and intersting, so thanks Jose.

First of all it is very obvious that most of the people in India will welcomeforeign universties while others will oppose the decision.

But if we think in a little broad manner, the entrance of these universitieswould be having the following effects:-

- It will help raising the standards of Indian Education System , thoughwe have IITs/IIMs here, which are landmarks of quality education, but forlarge population of India, the number of good institutions in India is still veryless.

- It will save millions of rupees spend by Indian students every year. Inuniversties like YALE and HAVARD, lot of Indians are spending millions ofrupees to get a quality education. So entrance of foreign universities will savethose expenses and will help students who don't have very strong economicbackground.

-It will reduce the stress and pressure. Now a days most of the Indianstudents are trying very hard to get into IIT or IIM, as these are the only bestinstitutes in India providing very high quality education. Some studentscommit suicides when they fail to get into these institutes, which is very sad.Universities like YALE is planning to setup their colleges in India,opportunities will be more and it will help students a lot to get good education.So I would welcome the decision of Mr. Sibbal.

-Helpful in the overall development of country. Foreign universitiesproviding high end education will help producing good leaders and efficientemployees. So it will help in setting up more industries in India and will help toreduce unemployment rate which is a very prominent problem, India is facingnow a days.

So If we think about goodwill of our students and country, the decisiondeserves the standing ovation.

Thanks,

Eshant :)
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Hello!May I correct Mr Karthik? I haven't opposed the FEI bill. My stand is that evenif these foreign universities enter India, it will hardly improve the quality ofhigher education in our country.

While most of the members are welcoming the foreign institutions, the realissue is something else. The topic of this GD is, "Entrance ( Entry? Englishexperts, please confirm! ) of foreign universities in India-How it will affectIndian education?" I would like to draw attention of fellow members towardsthe question tag line "How will it affect Indian Education?"

Now that the government has submitted the bill in parliament, and looking atthe insipid approach the MPs usually take towards such academic issues, thebill will be passed in all probability. The question is, will it solve its purpose? Iam afraid I don't think it will.

The HRD minister seeks to stop the outflow of nearly 2 lakh students everyyear and with them a cash outflow of $4 billion. Will this bill be successful instopping this outflow? Unlikely, because those who are glamour struck willcontinue to look towards US, UK and Australia etc.

The HRD ministry hopes to attract world's top universities to set up its branchoperations in India. Again it is too optimistic. Top institutions would like to waitand watch government's approach before they decide to take plunge. On thecontrary, it is more likely that second rung institutions may jump thebandwagon with a motive to make easy money.

Even if some of the foreign universities do start their branches on Indian soil,will they bring along their top faculties here? There's already a apprehensionthat these institutions will siphon out best available teachers our renownedinstitutions like IIT and IIM. (The HRD minister had to vehemently deny this.)So, the HRD ministry is out to undermine our prime institutions in order to

promote the foreign counterparts. Hence, if anything, the decision is likely toaffect Indian education adversely.

It is not yet clear whether these universities are required to follow thegovernment's policy of reservation for underprivileged sections of society. Ifso, will these institutes subsidize the cost of education? It is unlikely to be soas top universities are extremely quality conscious. Hence quality education ataffordable fees will continue to elude the common Indian student.

From what can be gathered from news reports, the proposed ForeignEducational Institutions bill (FEI Bill) will grant privileges to them vis--vis theIndian universities. And that will kill the Indian education system. As onerenowned academician observed, "our own universities will become like
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Diamond Member Rank: 35 Date: 25/May/2010 Rating:

Points: 6In India the condition of education is really pitiable when seen at times. So,

this topic is really nicely discussable. Really, seeing the status of colleges inIndia, sometimes a silly notion comes in my mind that I should not study anymore after my matriculation. The reason is not that the teachers of India are

just useless, without any soul in their pit, but yes, but rather, according to me,the universities are more over to be blamed. Just check the universities like

VTU, the biggest technological institute in all Asia, however, being a big name,only the students know the insider story.

My brother, being a student of colleges under VTU University told me thecondition of these so called big universities. He told me something about themarking thing and that is the prime reason which makes me afraid on

pursuing education after matriculation, though I will have to study more. Hetold me that it is not necessary that a teacher of the subject 'Microprocessors'is going to check the paper of that subject, however a teacher of 'OperatingSystem' who may not have specific knowledge about the subject may be givena standard answer sheet with optimum answers which is basically built on

word game. The paper might consist of the same answers many other wouldwrite but it is the word thing, there are some specific words which theexaminers shall look into the answers, and if not present, marks shall bededucted. Now if a student uses a synonym, that word won't be found whichthe checker was searching for. So what is it checking the papers of searchingkeywords in Google? I think the latter fits correctly.

Here, I am presenting some points which strengthen the base of the fact thatentrance of foreign universities shall better the condition of Indian education.

Good factors which may be seen uponentrance of foreign universities into India

Here are the factors

Fulfilling the greed - Every year many aspirants leave their motherlandIndia just in order to approach some foreign colleges affiliated to foreignuniversities for higher education like engineering, medical etc. According tothe perceptions which many Indian students possess, the foreign institutes are

better than those in India. So just for studying higher courses, a bigunpredictable sum of money goes out of India. Perhaps, this amount may besaved a bit if those foreign universities set up their branches in India itself.

Better education - It is very much possible that maybe the foreignuniversities will provide better education in India. Since I have not

experienced foreign education, I do not know much about it, however, it won'tbe wrong if I agree with the perceptions of the majority of senior students
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group.

Some income - Perhaps, if the bill for allowing foreign universities passes,the foreign universities will surely try to settle their businesses in India, andfor this, they will have to buy the land, and pay some taxes etc. which may be a

cause of good income of Indian govt. especially state govt. of various states.

Bettered condition in International relationship - Perhaps theentrance of the foreign people in India might also better up the internationalrelationships between India and other country adding something to what weall call international peace. Let us see how much this works. However, if thoseforeigners, especially those from the white-skinner countries, have changedtheir mentality a bit, then surely it will add to international peace.

____Thank you.

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Author: Gyandeep Kaushal Member Level:

Diamond Member Rank: 35 Date: 25/May/2010 Rating:

Points: 6In this post, namely my second post in the group discussion, I am going to

voice on the demerits which may be experienced upon entrance of foreigninstitutes in India.

Bad factors that may be faced upon entranceof foreign institutes in India

Disrespect to Indian institutions / universities - Some may call thisopinion of mine as a foul opinion. One may give examples of clothes and

traditions that if we call enjoy wearing jeans instead of dhotis then why can'twe have foreign universities in India, what is the mere problem? But I'd saythat everything is on one side but the name guru is something else. It may bedisrespect to those Indian teachers who teach in government schools asgovernment teachers but really work hard and one cannot generalize things

just like that, I believe.

Sectionalism - It is very much possible that upon the entrance thesectionalism of high and low, the rich and poor may amplify and just go onincreasing. One student studying in IIT, one in a foreign university, who is

better, questions of such category, may begin arising.

No bridging of gaps - There is a saying in Hindi - door ke dhol suhawane,
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I know you feel very strongly that the outflow of Indian students abroad forhigher education is due to attraction to western lifestyle. But this is not true. Ihave explained this point in my first post.

Your second point about the type of Universities that will come up will be oflower quality and second rung institutions. Again I have explained this earlier.Even if we do get second or even the third rung of Universities, it is unlikelythat they will come here only to make money. The primary objective of anyuniversity to set up branches is to increase their reputation and provide qualityeducaion and not make money. MHRD sources say around 50 foreignuniversities had already evinced interest in setting up campuses in India. Thisinclude Harvard, Yale, Massachusetts Institute of Technology and BostonUniversity. Imperial College, Duke College, Georgia Tech have made theirplans already. These are no second rung universities and students all roundthe globe only dream to get admits from these universities.

Your point about reservation of students is very important. As far as I haveread, the rights of admissions, education, courses and fee structure solely lieswith the Universities. They have complete autonomy regarding these issues.The agenda that common man will suffer is definitely not true. Scholarshipsare awarded to students who are brilliant and who cannot afford education.So, I feel there should not be any reservations here.

Regarding the kind of faculty they will appoint may be a point of concern. But,the foreign University will never compromise on the quality of teachers. So, Ibelieve it is safe to assume that the faculty recruited will be of high quality andif not found in India, they will invite professor from abroad.

I did not understand your last point regarding Indian universities becomingmunicipality schools. I request you to please elaborate a little.

Finally I would conclude by apologizing to both of you. You are very senior tome and have a lot of experience. I am just expressing my opinion based onnews reports and discussions with friends and relatives which happens tocontradict you. So, if I am wrong regarding any matter please correct me and

forgive me.

Regards

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After reading all the responses carefully, I came to an understanding thatmost of you are thinking that the foreign universities which enter may be Bgrade universities. well to startup as rightly pointed by Gyandeep Kaushal inhis first response regarding VTU university the scenario is almost similar in all

the universities in India. The person who corrects the paper need not be of thesame background, what all he needs is that he/she is from a valid recognizeduniversity and they need to know the English language. Recently in JNTU-Hmany students failed in the first semester, when they applied for revaluationaround 70% of the students had changes in their marks with a drasticimprovement i.e. around 15 to 20 marks increase than the previous marks.This means that the fate of the student is decided by one greedy teacher. Towhat extent is this correct? On the other hand the foreign universities mainlyrelay on weekly assignments and not on these semester or yearly exams. Soby introducing such systems we can have change in the Indian educationsystem.

Secondly, the foreign universities mainly rely on lab work to judge the level ofthe student but in India most of the universities give focus to theory subjects.If the total marks in the semester is for 750 of which the lab weight-age will beonly 150 and the remaining 600 are for theory subjects. If this is the casewhere is the scope for the student to gain practical knowledge? The foreignuniversities follow the credit system, we follow the pass or fail system.

Thirdly, in foreign universities when a professor gets a project, he allocatessome part of his work to his students and pays them in return, these arecommonly termed as Research Assistantship. We find libraries in anyuniversities, in these libraries we find some assistants working there toarrange the books, issue the books to students. Why do you want to hirethese people from outside the university? Instead the university can hire thestudents from their university and provide some money or fee wavier to poorstudents. This process of hiring the students as lab assistants or librarians inforeign university is commonly termed as Teaching Assistantship Cananyone tell me any such university in India which offers Research andTeaching Assistantship to their students? In contrast all the foreignuniversities provide Teaching and Research Assistantship to their students.

Irrespective of the grade of the university, whether it is a top university or a Bgrade university or a low level university the above mentioned points arefollowed by all the foreign universities.

To sum up, I would say that by welcoming foreign universities, even the B-Grade universities, we can definitely find a change in our education system.Finally, at masters level a B-Grate foreign university can provide a farbetter education system than the education in the present Indianuniversities (excluding IIT's and IIM's).

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Ever since India has opened up its economy to the world, foreign directinvestment has flooded Indian economy. India has apparently made rapidstrides in economical development. But unfortunately, the Indian industry,especially Indian public sector has been severely eroded.

Take the example of BSNL, which was the giant in telecom sector till a fewyears ago. But ever since the sector has been opened for private sector, thecompany is reduced to an also ran organization in the cut throat race oftelecom companies. Indian Oil and ONGC were once the jewels in the crown

of Indian public sector. Now with the likes of Reliance entering the Oilbusiness, they are a pale shadow of their own glorious past. Indian publicuniversities await similar fate with foreign universities poised to enter Indianhigher education 'market'.

My young friends in ISC are excited about the prospects of getting opportunityto receive education of 'foreign brand'. It is understandable given thefascination of the young towards everything that is of foreign origin. But, as Ihad said in my earlier post, getting admission to these institutions will bepossible for privileged few. Rest of the students, crippled with socio-economicbackground will be condemned to go to Indian teaching shops.

Scenario of India's higher education is bleak to say the least. It has collapsedwhile trying to do the balancing act between the policy of reservation,subsidize cost of education and quality of education. The government is notable to fulfill the requirements of funds to nearly 500 public universities andmore than 25,000 affiliated colleges.

Most of the universities in the west are 'public' in true sense of word. Many ofthem are listed on Stock exchanges. They raise money from public equity.They are hardly relying on government grants. By encouraging research,universities raise finance through patents. Why has the HRD minister not

thought of making the universities self reliant?

People always complain of lack of quality in education provided by Indianuniversities. But they ignore the fact that the have very little authority to decideon the admission rules, fees structure, recruitment of staff etc. It is but naturalthat they lack the necessary physical and intellectual infrastructure. It's thegovernment's obligation to provide adequate funds or allow them to raisemoney through bonds, debentures and donations. There's no doubt in mymind that if our own institutions are adequately funded, they will also rise tointernational standards and there's no need to invite foreign intervention touplift standard of education in India.

India was once a preferred location for studies by the foreigners. The Taxila
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and Nalanda universities attracted students from worldwide. It is ironic thatin spite of glorious past, we are left to look for help to improve our educationalsystem.

In my earlier posts, I had expressed my apprehension if top universities will

show any interest in coming to India. Whether top or second rung universitiescome here, whether or not they maintain high quality, all this Sibbal formulawill result into is a gradual decay of Indian universities. This bill is surely astart of end of 'Indian' education system.

P.S. I had also maintained that the craze of foreign institutions will continue toprevail among those who have enough (more than enough) resources. Here'sone current example. Only today, the girl who topped IIT JEE today has madeit clear that she prefers MIT in US to IITs. I am sure this is not just a one offexception.




Highly appreciable and very true thoughts by Malhar, I agreed all Malaharstated above. Main concern of Education is to Educate student in a direction

so as they can stand anywhere in the world and do never lack their basiceducation.

I still believe we have such a high quality education system for the basiceducation which will never be beaten by other countries. We have so manycourses running all around and students attend them in bulk.

My concern arises when one student is not enough capable of understandingthe things by himself then the need of tutor comes and we agree todays mostof the generation has tutor and always study in tuition classes rather trying tostudy at home or by themselves. Can our course textbooks bring this spirit in

our students. Will they ever be explained each subject as they never need atuition class.

Well if we have to maintain our standards we should furnish our coursecontent of world class and if we can do this then why not to understand theirconcept by allowing them to Indian Education System. We are having ruleswhich should be maintained by Foreign Universities and those rules should betoo strict to make much profit here.

We had Various famous universities in India where foreigners came andlearnt a lot of things. Do we know why we dont have their reputation now. Wehave degraded our system and started following British Education systemwhich should never be happened and this basically needs to regain its
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momentum.

When we are not having any kind of entrepreneurship then why we are notallowing new things to happen. Just thinking about past will always lead us tooppose if you think in new direction and benefits students will have then you

might not oppose this.I think main motive behind this is to reduce brain drain and I hope we cansucceed to a limit in that if we implement this bill in India.




Hi,

After reading everyone's reviews on this topic, I guess most of the aspectsthat should come under the category have been covered. Actually what I thinkis at this point of time its better to consider the facts which we know and haveexperienced rather than trying to think about the effect of future universities.

What I meant to say is that the answer to the question of effect of foreignuniversities in India will become more clear if we consider the present

scenario of Indian education system first. Trust me I have done my B.E. invery reputed college, the name is ITM gurgaon, which holds the 4th rankamong self-financed institutions in north-India.The day I heard the news ofgetting the college, I was happy like anything. But when I got into the collegethings were pretty much different and its very sad.

Even the institutes like NSIT, the inside story is quite different which is verysad. It takes a lot to get into these institutions but at the end we find nothingworth it.

So my point is, instead of thinking about the impact of foreignuniversities coming in future, just think about the present situationonce. I am sure you will get an answer. And moreover, good institutes likeIITs or IIMs are such that we can count them on fingers. So where therest of the population will study?

So we can just hope that entrance of foreign universities will have a good orpositive impact on Indian Education System. If it will not worth it then nobodywill prefer them. So no need to worry about that.

And about the question of impact on Indian institutes, then it will be goodalways, as competition is always better to improve the quality and benefits the
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customer.At the end of day, students will only get benefit whether in terms oftution fee or quality of education.

Thanks,Eshant :)


Rank: 7 Date: 07/Jun/2010 Rating: Points: 3

Eshant has made an excellent point!

Yes, many Indian educational institutes are big in reputation only inname. Those who have actually studied there will relate a totallydifferent story - poor infrastructure, poor teaching faculty, a generaluncaring attitude. Perhaps the entry of foreign universities will maketheir Indian counterparts open their eyes and improve.


Author: Gyandeep Kaushal Member Level:

Diamond Member Rank: 35 Date: 07/Jun/2010 Rating:

Points: 6It is not long that my brother told me that one of his friends in some IITinstitute (don't remember the city name of the branch) was exactly excited asEshant was during entering into the college. After all, we have made IIT as atag line, a stamp on the foreheads of students, one who has will be posted to

success, the one doesn't has no value. Being currently in Class X, even Iexperience this that we have overwhelmingly given importance to IITs,however since I haven't experienced it, I won't give my verdict.

That friend of my brother told my brother that in that IIT, the faculty was likedoing nothing. They would give you so many assignments you will get tiredcompleting. The faculty is not very helpful - you go to ask something, they willexplain you only once, suppose you don't understand one time - they aren'tgonna work upon you one more time. I am not sure whether this is thecondition in all IITs, but I felt sad to know this experience of my brother'sfriend.

We must try to understand that our competition is not with foreign
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force Indian universities to raise thier standards of teaching.

Thanks,Eshant :)


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I'm afraid the optimism shown by Eshant - 'it (the entry of foreignuniversities) will force Indian universities to raise their standards' - ismisplaced. For the simple reason that the race is between two unequalcompetitors. The foreign institutions are going to enjoy complete freedom toset curriculum, charge fees whatever they feel appropriate, have no

restrictions to implement reservations. The Indian universities are, on theother hand, are heavily strapped by inadequate funds, inferior infrastructure,political interference, rampant unionism, corrupt bureaucracy to name a fewconstraints. The stagnant, brazen and listless management of highereducation in India is unlikely to draw any inspiration from the professionalapproach of foreign universities.

Eshant also feels 'proud' to acknowledge that 'India has mass of talent inevery part of the country. It just needs a right direction and guidance'.But instead of giving 'right direction' to the education sector in India, thegovernment is actually making a provision to liquidate the establishment of

higher education institutions.

Our institutions can compete honourably with foreign counterparts providedthey too are accorded the same autonomy (in true sense of word). Ourestablishments can't just be condemned without giving them any chance toprove their mettle. Give them funds, encourage public equity, make themaccountable and see the difference. It is indeed no less than wishful thinkingthat by merely inviting a few foreign educational institutions to set up theirshop here, will change the state of education in India. Indian educationsystem, no doubt, is in mess. But we ourselves will have to clean up themess. No point in looking outwards for help!




Hi,

Well I would say everybody has different opinion. But I can't completely agreewith Malhar. First of all this will not lead to a race as race has begun already
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many years ago. Lot of students go every year abroad obviously they knoweverything about those universities before entering into the same. Malhar issaying that foreign universities are going to enjoy complete freedom toset curriculum, charge fees whatever they feel appropriate, then I wouldsay if the structure of these universities is inappropriate then why more

and more Indian students are going abroad every year ? . Even Deemeduniversities in India are having complete freedom and they are asking fordonation like anything, that is why government had decided a couple ofmonths ago to cancel the license of some of these universities and decided togive the Deemed status only after fullfillment of strict guidelines. The problemwas that being Deemed they were not providing necessary facilities whichthey should. So we shouldn't anticipate so early the effect of foreignuniversities, as we already know the status and reputation of YALE, so thereis no doubt these universities will help students to get a quality education.

Now if we take the case of reservation, the things are not very clear yet, may

be some reservations will be there if government put these guidelines in termsand conditions. And its good if reservations are only on the basis of economyor physically handicapped rather than SC or OBC basis.

And the education sector is not that much corrupted as people think, if you goand look out you would find that institutes are already emulating theInternational standards.

When I say Indian universities will be forced to raise their standards thenmy idea behind this is that the professors will be paid more salaries which is avery serious problem, labs will be more functional, real-time knowledge will begiven to students.

Malhar thinks that instead of giving 'right direction' to the educationsector in India, the government is actually making a provision toliquidate the establishment of higher education institutions, but here Iwould ask a simple question, don't you think this is also one of the stepsgovernment should take to improve the education system in India. Givingright direction means nothing but providing quality education tostudents.

My personal opinion is very simple and clear, I have seen what thegovernment has been doing for the past couple of years to improve theeducation sector in India, which is no doubt insufficient. Governemnt isnot taking necessary steps and if it is giving a chance to foreignuniversities to enter into India then we should not be afraid of thischange.

If we will be reluctant to this change and wait for the goverment'snecessary actions to improve Indian institutes, only person who wouldsuffer would be an Indian student.

The question comes how long will the Indian students have to suffer ?


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Putting back competition, effect, I simply believe in quality education,the education which an Indian student deserves.

Thanks,Eshant :)



Although I have used up my four responses in this discussion, I hope theforum editor will let me submit an additional message. Thanks.

My young friend Eshant doesn't seem to have gone through my earlier posts. I

have already stated my position on all issues he has raised. Here's ab briefrecap:

regarding why more and more students are going abroad :

Nearly 2 lakh students go abroad every year. This is less than 1 percent ofstudents going in more than 25000 thousand college in India. Even if twentyforeign universities come to India, it will hardly make any change. Why arethey going abroad? More than for quality education, they are glamourstruck.Moreover, only those who can afford, go abroad. So, such students willstill go abroad. It is highly unlikely that son/daughter of an extremely rich

parent will prefer the Indian branch of Oxford or any other FEI to the USbased institution.

regarding Indian universities forced to raise standards :

Even assuming that the Indian institutions will feel the need to improve, theyface so much of limitations - in terms of funds, infrastructure and govtregulations - that they may not be able to raise their bar. Many academicians,who had a burning desire to do something constructive in the field ofeducation, have resigned to the anarchy of system.

Eshant has appreciated govt's steps to improve(!) education systems.I amhappy that Mr Kapil sibbal has found a strong admirer of his weird policies inEshant. I urge Eshant to take a look at some of the renowned academiciansthink of Kapil sibbal's decisions, be it One India One Board, no examinationstill XII, or this proposal to invite foreigners for teaching Indian students.

I conclude my participation in this debate by reiterating my stand that theproposal is a case of misplaced priorities. Priority should be to give enoughfunds, autonomy and get rid of political interference in Indian educationalinstitutions.

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Author: Saurabh Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 307 Date:


Well it is a very good move taken by the Government of India to allow Foreignuniversities to set up campuses in India.Many of us are not so rich to goabroad and study in a good foreign institute.When this something happens, it makes a blow somewhere else. Yes thisdecision will make a blow to all those colleges which a student had to takeadmission by chance and not by choice.And yes our leaders like Gandhiji,ratan tata,ambanis etc.,they all havecompleted a part of full education from foreign universities.I am not saying that our Indian Institutes are not good, it is just that India has

a huge population and not everyone can get into a good institute.So by letting foreign institutes setting up campuses in india,some lot ofstudents can benefit from itThanksSaurabh

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Author: chirag sachdeva Member Level:Gold Member Rank: 120

Date: 10/Jun/2010 Rating: Points: 6

I am not agree with the decision taken by the Government of India because itwill definitely going to affect Indian Educational system,As we have seen inthe past "how Britishers exploited Indians".At that point of time,they were alsopromising such agreements of Trade with Indians but finally Everyone knowwhat happens..??This time also making the same mistake we have done in the recent past butthe difference is that,that time promised trade and this time promiseseducation.

Our country has Good Education System,More than 1-3 lakhs of studentshave been passing engineering from India and one fifth of them are beingselected in NASA every year.If,other countries have Good EducationalSystem then "Why NASA has more Indian engineers".

The Indians who are visiting Abroad for their further studies,As they want toearn money not going their to increment their qualification.As moreIndependence Is provided there as compare to India.They will going their notfor Education Purpose but to satisfy their Lust for girls.

This is really shameful for our country.Also,Indians are always discriminatedin every part of the world because of their cast,color,creed,sex
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etc.so,Acording to me The Government should not allow the foreignuniversities to enter Indian with the purposeof exploiting Indian Educational system.

With Regards

CHIRAG SACHDEVA

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How there is head and tail for a coin, there is both positive and negativeimpact of western culture on India and especially on Indian youth,

In past in India men were our traditional dresses, but now it is entirelychanged, now the Indian youth moving with jeans, t-shirts, minis, micros, etc.,here we can proud of that western culture, it bringing us with the fast moving

world.

But when we consider the pubs, it is the thing to be strictly punished. Inpubs both men and women are in drastic stage, by taking drugs, it should bepunished. And we need to felt sorry for that.

And there r many things to be taken from the western culture.

Posted By: navedkhan05

THERE HAS BEEN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EFFECT OFWESTERN CULTURE ON US. IT CAN BE EASILY FELT BY THE FOOD,ATTIRE AND WAY OF LIVING OF CITIZENS.SPECIALLY ON DRESSES ITHAS MADE ADVERSE EFFECTS. SO IT IS NOT GOOD FOR OURCULTURE.OUR YOUNG GIRLS ARE WEARING SKIRTS, MICROS, ANDMINIS ETC. WHICH EXCITES THE BOYS LEADING TO SOME SERIOUSCRIMES SUCH AS RAPE ETC. BUT ON THE FLIPPER SIDE THE WAYS OFLIVING HAS BEEN GREATLY ENHANCED WHICH IS GOOD FORSUCCESS AND GROWTH OF THE COUNTRY AND HELPFUL FOR IT INHEADING TOWARDS SUPER POWER AHEAD OF USA. SO I FEEL THAT ITHAS BOTH GOOD AND BAD EFFECTS

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I Strongly believe that there is a substantial influence of westernculture on Indian youths. Mere mention of the word 'India' signifies a place ofcultural heritage as well as diversity. But the cultural legacy that we areshowing to the whole world is becoming a thing of history in metropolitancities.

On one side we enjoy our so-called rich culture and really admire it buton the other side we find discotheques full of young guys and girls. Secondly,

Joint family tradition; one of the biggest assets of India is now vanishingunder the shadow of the so-called western culture. Nuclear families are taking
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place of many years' old values. Youth of today is more interested in theirprivacy rather than enjoying their lives with others. Individualization has

broken up the joint family system, paving way for the youth to fall prey to drugaddiction. This stage is the most vulnerable period of life where the youthneed guidance, counseling, education and care by parents.

So how did we get part of their culture over here, you ask, their culturehas become over popularized here, through electronic media that everyone

wants to be just like them. Because of that India has lost her identity from allother countries. Weve now become a copy cat to all other nations and wemay lose our individuality. The reason is because, we want another image, wedont want to be the olden day - traditional country, which still hasnt

become the so - called modern, even in the 21st century. We dont want tolook like imposters to all other well developed countries. If you have everthought of that, erase that thought because the image weve got planted in ourminds is terribly wrong. India is not an imposter to other nations, it never has

been, but will if the people of today continue to do everything they see oncable TV.

India is an independent country now and has been for a while, with nosuch problems. The reason behind that is because our ancestors fought for us,so that we could have a future in our own way, not with any other way, which

we are not used to. Im not saying that India should stop everything theyvelearnt from western countries, but to have some individuality from othernations and to set an example to the other 3rd world countries and give outthe message that there are other nations to set an example on.

So, for the people who fought for us, for India to keep her dignity and tobe a leader to other countries, we the people of today must be our own countryand not be some other country, which were not. Everyone is his or her owncountryman - why cant we be our own as well?

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