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Solyman and Persedalive-tweets from The Shakespeare Institute's Before Shakespeare marathon

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We've been talking about the word 'actors'. Here are 2 examples of the word meaning 'characters', i.e., those who do (enact) plot. #b4shakes1:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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More on Tottel. Another plea for people to use the hashtag. Thanks Megan! #b4shakes twitter.com/thecompass/sta…1:38 PM - Jun 17, 2017



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Crucially, the word does not seem to mean what we tend to think it means until the 1590s. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…1:43 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Enter Love, Fortune and Death. Love and Fortune part 2? #b4shakes1:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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And what are tragedies but acts of death?

As we head towards the 1590s, we see an increasingly direct self-consciousness re genre #b4shakes1:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesOur "actors" were their "players." #b4shakes1:45 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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MW: 1597, Strasbourg, an english company performs a play "de erasto" [so, Erastus from this?] #B4Shakes1:45 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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I [will soon] have moralised this tragedyWhose chiefest actor was my sable dart.

actor = character #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…1:45 PM - Jun 17, 2017



I have forgot the rest, but that's the effect.

First example of onstage forgetfulness? Cf. Cleopatra, Prospero, Hotspur? #b4shakes1:48 PM - Jun 17, 2017




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"For here the mouth of sad Melpomene Is wholly bent to tragedies' discourse" struggles over genre (then & now)#B4Shakes1:48 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Who doesn't love a 'big-boned Dane'? #b4shakes1:49 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Here comes a messenger to haste me hence.I know your message[.]

So what's the function of the messenger? #b4shakes1:50 PM - Jun 17, 2017



'Your lion's strength': Martin just missed a cat reference for possibly the first time ever. #b4shakes1:51 PM - Jun 17, 2017











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#Soliman #b4shakesWe've got quite the international assembly here. First such assembly in the corpus?1:55 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Each female is the weaker vessel.

Further policing of gender boundaries and men with masculinity issues?#b4shakes1:55 PM - Jun 17, 2017



'May very well bear a feminine Epitheton'.

Awwww, we just met a male Epiton in Endymion. #b4shakes1:56 PM - Jun 17, 2017





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We've seen some coalitions in Tamburlaine and Alphonsus, I think? But not at such length? #b4shakes twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…1:56 PM - Jun 17, 2017



FAO #b4shakes twitter.com/OldFortunatus/…1:57 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Until the 1590s, and possibly in one instance in Spanish Tragedy. Cf. 'As an imperfect actor on the stage'. #b4shakes twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…1:58 PM - Jun 17, 2017



An allegorical frame around a non-allegorical story containing a Basilisco who is 'Pity's adamant. #b4shakes1:59 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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'Ay, termest thou me of an occupation?' This is still a word characters want to negotiate and refigure in its meaning. #b4shakes2:00 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Martin Wiggins is having much too much fun with the word Piston. #b4shakes2:02 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Now comes in that infant that courts my mistress.

More masculinity issues, this time homosocial. #b4shakes2:03 PM - Jun 17, 2017



But now unmask thyself that we may seeWhat warlike wrinkles time has characteredWith age's print upon thy warlike face. #b4shakes2:06 PM - Jun 17, 2017

































FAO @ThePaperStage #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:07 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Enter Basilisco riding of a mule.

First onstage animal? #b4shakes2:08 PM - Jun 17, 2017



'Page, set aside the gesture of my enemy'. First refs. to gesture since Fedele? FAO @DrMirandaFay @lyn_tribble @DrFarahKC #b4shakes2:09 PM - Jun 17, 2017





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#Soliman #b4shakesBasilisco's horse has been very badly treated! Poor thing....2:09 PM - Jun 17, 2017














"warlike wrinkles" #B4Shakes Sateros the Soldier in Cobbler's Prophecy:2:10 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Lest public rumour might advertise her Ok, super interesting. Our first (and tautologous?) reference to publicity @ playhouses? #b4shakes2:11 PM - Jun 17, 2017



This verse is hard. Is it unusually irregular or am I being usually incompetent? #b4shakes2:12 PM - Jun 17, 2017







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- for "Bassows" read Pashas throughout. #B4Shakes2:13 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#b4shakesChecking the portrayal of Islam: #Soliman still pronounces the prophet's name "MA-ho-met" and says that Muslims worship him.2:13 PM - Jun 17, 2017



'Till Persia stoop'. These war plays imagine defeat as stooping. Conventional early modern language, or distinctive stage image? #b4shakes2:13 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Another court scene immediately devolving into factions, this time more bloody than Endymion. #b4shakes2:15 PM - Jun 17, 2017


































Replying to @B4ShakesVery interesting. What do you mean by publicity here? Not catching the context and memory of this play (S&P?) is hazy #b4shakes2:15 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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@DarrenF_Jones was telling me that Kyd's response to the"mighty line" was to make his verse less regular & increase fem. endings. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:16 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Soliman and Persida (not Sappho and Phao). Not entirely sure what I mean by publicity: whatever this 'public' is gesturing towards #b4shakes twitter.com/eoin_price/sta…2:18 PM - Jun 17, 2017



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Fascinating. These irregularities seem themselves irregular from standard irregularity (as it were). #b4shakes twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…2:19 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4Shakes- in context: "privy enquiry" vs "public rumour" #B4Shakes2:21 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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her beauty far surpasseth mineAnd from my neck her neck hath won the praise.

Sexy neck conveyor belts. #b4shakes2:23 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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Desire persuades me on; fear pulls me back.

First stage entrance commenting on motivation? Cf. Cinna the poet in JC. #b4shakes2:25 PM - Jun 17, 2017



First use of the word 'corrupt' in corpus? #b4shakes2:27 PM - Jun 17, 2017



And for her chastity let others judge.

Ouch. #b4shakes2:27 PM - Jun 17, 2017



"And for her chastity let others judge."ouch! #B4Shakes2:28 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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If words and tears displease, then view my looks[.]

Ummmm, dude, your tears are likely to be a big part of your looks. #b4shakes2:29 PM - Jun 17, 2017



"... That plead for mercy at thy rigorous hands" - Perseda really does have especially rigorous hands! #B4Shakes2:29 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Because that Fortune made the fault, not Love.

As with Fedele & Fortuion, & perhaps Spanish Tragedy, awareness of framing gods? #b4shakes2:29 PM - Jun 17, 2017


























For if report but blazon her aright,She's a frank gamester and inclined to play. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:30 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesI like the preceding line too: 'Make privy inquiry for it through the town': privacy of the inquiry vs publicity of the town #b4shakes2:30 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Awareness probably the wrong word; but these plays invite the audience to think abt predestinating connection between god & human. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:31 PM - Jun 17, 2017



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Yes! And reading these plays chronologically, I *think* this is our first reference to publicness in the public-facing playhouses. #b4shakes twitter.com/eoin_price/sta…2:32 PM - Jun 17, 2017



drumsler ? (drummer?)#B4Shakes2:33 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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'Dazzle mine eyes', says Ferdinando. Cf. a better known Ferdinand whose eyes dazzle. 1st corpus use of this word? #b4shakes2:34 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesFascinating! That's one of the great value of these readings. Some more interesting public/private stuff to come. Well done all! #b4shakes2:34 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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And to accuse fell Fortune, Love, and Death; / For all these three conspire my tragedy. Erastus awareness of the framing? #B4Shakes2:35 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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I like to think there's a further convo to be had between your book on public/ private and The Elizabethan Top Ten intro. #b4shakes twitter.com/eoin_price/sta…2:35 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Thanks Bailey! And another plea to use the hashtag, to spare me writing tweets like this! Otherwise others can't see your comment. #b4shakes twitter.com/BaileySincox/s…2:36 PM - Jun 17, 2017













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Replying to @B4ShakesShakes reproduces this phrase: 'Dazzle mine eyes, or do I see three suns'. We encountered dazzling eyes inTam or Alphonsus,I think #b4shakes2:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Replying to @adambcqx- no other example of 'drumsler' on EEBO #B4Shakes2:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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My own eyes must have been dazzled at the time. Thanks! #b4shakes twitter.com/DarrenF_Jones/…2:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesThink it was in the form 'dazzling' rather than just 'dazzle' if I remember correctly #b4shakes2:38 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Now it fits my wisdom to counterfeit the fool .. Aye, forsooth sir / Aye, forsooth sir - "forsooth" & fools ? #B4Shakes (anon, forsooth)2:40 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Loving people getting involved in this conversation, but please please please use the hashtag otherwise your comment is invisible. #b4shakes2:41 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @BaileySincox and 2 othersYes I remember that paper; it was fascinating, Bailey #b4shakes2:42 PM - Jun 17, 2017



























forsooth : #B4Shakes2:42 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#b4shakes@eoin_price @DarrenF_Jones, anyone else: we are about to start 2.3 if you want to join in. Text:elizabethanauthors.org/soli101.htm2:43 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Is this little desperate fellow gone?Doubtless he is a very tall fellow.

Make up your mind, dude. #b4shakes2:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017

















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Authorship controversies AND textual variants now featuring on the #b4shakes feed! @B4Shakes

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Nay, rather Love, by whose suggested powerErastus used such dice as, being false,Ran not by Fortune, but necessity. #b4shakes2:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017



So who's in charge here? How does agency/ godhead work? #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:46 PM - Jun 17, 2017



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Definition of TALLhigh in stature; of a specified height; ofconsiderable height… See the full definitionmerriam-webster.com

Replying to @B4Shakes'What, do I dream, or do my dazzling eyes deceive me?' Alphonsus #b4shakes2:46 PM - Jun 17, 2017



DEATH: And by that challenge I abridged his life / And forced Erastus into banishment #B4Shakes@andthomorrow2:49 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Indeed, I was just being silly. But not in the 1580s sense. #b4shakes twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…2:52 PM - Jun 17, 2017



SD :[Then they fight, and Erastus overcomes Soliman.]completely gratuitous sword fight #B4Shakes2:52 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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You say gratuitous, I say masculinity issues. But let's not call the whole thing off. #b4shakes twitter.com/adambcqx/statu…2:53 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Appreciated the citation because otherwise we all thought you were having a personal meltdown. #b4shakes twitter.com/DarrenF_Jones/…2:54 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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Take each one half of me, and cease to weepOr if you gladly would enjoy me bothI'll serve the one by day, the other by night. #b4shakes2:54 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Then take each one half of me, and cease to weep; - judgement of Solomon (Soliman?) #B4Shakes2:55 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Early modern threesome and polyamorous opportunities. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…2:55 PM - Jun 17, 2017



I with the rest will down under the strand.

Real staging and/ or imagined fictional implications? #b4shakes2:56 PM - Jun 17, 2017




















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Our second iambic pentameter reference to circumcision. Prepare yourselves for David and Bathsheba. #b4shakes2:58 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesHaha! This tickled me. Funnily enough I have just awoken from an Endymion-like slumber #b4shakes2:58 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4Shakes#B4Shakes Mine eyes dazzle. Webster remembering?2:58 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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'Then in the ladies' passions I showed my power', claims Venus. Further claims of predestinatory power. #b4shakes2:58 PM - Jun 17, 2017



















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'But had I slept, his conquest had been small', says Death. As Martin Wiggins says, cf. Revenge in Spanish Tragedy. #b4shakes2:59 PM - Jun 17, 2017



But what helps gay garments, when the mind's oppressed.

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"I'll go provide your supper: a shoulder of mutton, andnever a sallet."- never a salad #shirleymarathon #B4Shakes3:00 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#Soliman #b4shakesFor the second time in the play, Erastus stands silently while someone says things that ruin his life. Interrupt, man!3:04 PM - Jun 17, 2017



.. always in thy dumps? / Still in black habit fitting funeral? 'dump' fades from use somewhat, so sadly not used about Hamlet #B4Shakes3:04 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#b4shakes I guess in this second instance (4.1), he exited. twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…3:05 PM - Jun 17, 2017



"Breasts, like two over-flowing fountains.." The Song of Soliman #B4Shakes3:06 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#Soliman #b4shakes"What should he do with crown and EmperieThat cannot govern private fond affections?"Again conflict of public/private3:08 PM - Jun 17, 2017



In between two references to Alexander, Soliman asserts rights of lust over his prisoner. Self-conscious replay of Campaspe? #b4shakes3:09 PM - Jun 17, 2017



For later reuses of Campaspe, see the Campaspe-Faustus mash up, Friar Bacon and Friar Bungay. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…3:11 PM - Jun 17, 2017





















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#b4shakesBoth of today's plays, #Endymion and #Soliman, meditate on the competing bonds of homosocial friendship and heterosexual love.3:11 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Don't they just; & after the direct reference to threesome opportunities earlier, Soliman seemed to be sexing up this triangle. #b4shakes twitter.com/JoeDramaTurg/s…3:13 PM - Jun 17, 2017



They lopped a collop of my tenderest member.But think you Basilisco squitched for that?

Foreskinniness. #b4shakes3:14 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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"Brusor, be gone"Do Soliman's uncertainties in dismissing Brusor read onstage as some kind of weakness? #B4Shakes3:16 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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#b4shakes Europeans understood circumcision as taking a "collop" (a slice) off, less precise than ritual circumcision. twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…3:17 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Now, Fortune, what hast thou done in this latter act.

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Mark well what follows, for the historyProves me chief actor in this tragedy.

Take that, genre, once again. #b4shakes3:18 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @JoeDramaTurgIs this the time where I plug my article about this moment (and privacy more generally)? dx.doi.org/10.1111/lic3.1…#b4shakes3:19 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Fascinating: worth contrasting to Antony and Albany's frustration in ordering their retinue onstage? #b4shakes twitter.com/adambcqx/statu…3:19 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Replying to @B4ShakesKyd certainly eschews tidy genre definitions #b4shakes3:20 PM - Jun 17, 2017













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Is it striking that Alexander, who's been onstage, is the go-to reference here, rather than David, who probably hasn't? #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…3:20 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Here will I stand to seen, and not be seen.

Staging/ imagined space implications? #b4shakes3:22 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Death: "..for the history / Proves me chief actor in this tragedy." #genres #B4Shakes3:22 PM - Jun 17, 2017


Adam B@adambcqx

Both @andykesson and @ElizETavares have tried to challenge on our blog the very idea of tidy genre definitions in this period. #b4shakes twitter.com/DarrenF_Jones/…3:23 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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It definitely is. Thanks! #b4shakes twitter.com/eoin_price/sta…3:24 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Martin Wiggins shows me that David probably has been onstage: Saul and David, either before or just after this play. #b4shakes twitter.com/B4Shakes/statu…3:25 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Death is winning this one big time! #B4Shakes3:29 PM - Jun 17, 2017


Adam B@adambcqx

Thus die, and thus; for thus you murdered him.

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Soliman: Here ends my dear Erastus' tragedy, And now begins my pleasant comedy;#genre #B4Shakes3:30 PM - Jun 17, 2017


Adam B@adambcqx

Soliman offers an unhappy vision of monarchy. Cf. Greene's Pandosto and the upcoming King Lear and His Daughters. #b4shakes3:31 PM - Jun 17, 2017



I am deceived but you were circumcised. #b4shakes3:31 PM - Jun 17, 2017



But if Perseda understand these news, / Our scene will prove but tragi-comical #GenreChaos #B4Shakes3:31 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Basilisco prays to a 'mighty pinky-eyed, brand-bearing god'. #b4shakes3:32 PM - Jun 17, 2017



#Soliman #b4shakesWell, what do you know: a correct understanding of circumcision: Basilisco describes it "a little cut in the 'porpuse'"3:32 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Here ends my dear Erastus' tragedyAnd now begins my pleasant comedy [...]Our scene will prove but tragicomical. #b4shakes twitter.com/adambcqx/statu…3:33 PM - Jun 17, 2017



"as I began my histories with a comiqual discourse, So I intende to knit up with a tragicomiqual reaport" Bandello tr.Fenton 1567#B4Shakes3:36 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Cf. two uses in prologue to Damon & Pithias & the running titles to the 1st edition of Campaspe. Tragicomedy earlier than thought. #b4shakes twitter.com/adambcqx/statu…3:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017



[Then they fight; Soliman kills Perseda.] Another male/female sword fight #B4Shakes3:40 PM - Jun 17, 2017


Adam B@adambcqx

Lest with thy woes thou spoil my comedy,And all too soon be turned to tragedies. #genre #B4Shakes3:42 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Soliman is absolutely obsessed with silence as he died: repeatedly states no one else may speak. #b4shakes3:43 PM - Jun 17, 2017






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Great to see evidence of Alphonsus as well as Tamburlaine having influence. #TeamGreene #b4shakes twitter.com/adambcqx/statu…3:43 PM - Jun 17, 2017



Right folks, and that's the end of week 1 of #b4shakes @SI_Marathon. Watch out for tweets tomorrow from @The_Globe's Fedele and Fortunio.3:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017



The Rare Triumph of Death (not Love and Fortune) #B4Shakes3:44 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Pack, Love and Fortune, play in comedies,For powerful Death best fitteth tragedies.

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#Soliman #b4shakesRe: framing device and entire play:The first (and many will follow) of the love tragedies.3:45 PM - Jun 17, 2017



FINIS : Soliman and Perseda #B4Shakes3:47 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Replying to @B4ShakesAh but see Belleforest account too #b4shakes3:47 PM - Jun 17, 2017



.@DarrenF_Jones - After reading, the was general agreement that this was extremely Kyd-ish #b4shakes3:55 PM - Jun 17, 2017


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Caps doffed to @B4Shakes et al for @SI_Marathon live-tweeting at such pace & quality. Hugely interesting! Thank you! #b4shakes5:02 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Replying to @DarrenF_Jones @adambcqxWe'll keep our ears and eyes open for Kyd when we get to those plays, then. Thanks. #B4Shakes5:37 PM - Jun 17, 2017

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Replying to @DarrenF_Jones and 2 othersIt should probably be said that @andykesson was very politely quiet during the general agreement, but will be happy to learn more. #b4shakes6:24 PM - Jun 17, 2017



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