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JimSparksandTheKeepersAvideointerviewwithJimSparksLasVegas,June2007

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryCassidyandBillRyan

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BillRyan:JimSparks,we'redelightedtobetalkingwithyoutoday.I'mBillRyan;I'mhalfoftheteamwithKerryCassidythat'sProjectCamelot.Oneofthe

thingsthatwedoiswepresentdifferentjigsawpuzzlepiecesofwhatisaverylargepicture.Therearealotofpeopleouttherewatchingthisvideonow,who'llbeasinterestedinputtingthesetogetherasyouareandweare.JimSparks:Okay.B:Now,we'retalkingtoyoutodaybecausefromwhatweunderstandyouhaveoneortwopossiblesignificantpieces,topresenttopeople,sothattheycanfititintothepuzzleiftheycan,sowecanfititintothepuzzleifwecan.We'respeakingtoyoubecauseyouarewhathasbeendescribedintheUFO



ofthemdid.NotcommentingonIknowwhoheis....andwebefriendedeachother,andIcangoonwiththat...butwe'refriends.B:Eventhoughhehadnomemoryofhisexperience,youkeptquietaboutit,noticingwhathadhappenedandthenyousawhimchangehisattitudes,changehisbehavior,andstarttotakeactionwithcertainprojects....J:Absolutely.B:Yousaw...whichwasEXACTLYwhattheirprogramwasdesignedfor.J:Exactly.Andtheninterestinglyenough,therewereinnuendosthroughouttheearlystagesofourinteractionhere,wherehedidsharewithme,Irememberthis,orIgotthis,orhehadfragmentedmemories,likemostabductees,andIhadtobitemytongueknowingwhothepersonwas.Well,nowheknowswhoIamandisfullybloomed.Thatisamajoragenda.

Nowformepersonallyasmostabductees,butitwasasixyearperiod,oflivinghell,becauseIdidn'thaveaframeofreference.Ididn'tunderstandwhatwasgoingon.Theydidn'tmakeanythingclear.SoIdon'twanttosayIwastrained.Idon'tlikeIhaven'tfoundtheproperwordforit.Kindoflikeanalienbootcamp.B:Indoctrinated,wouldthatbeabetterword?J:Yes!Soyouknowhowtobehave.Bottomline.Becauseyou'redealingwithcreaturesthatarenon-humanintelligence.They'retentoahundredtimesfaster

inthemind.They'vegotthehightechnology.Theycantraveltime,theycanspantheuniversewithnotimepassing.Theycanworkwithotherdimensionsandthesepeopleorbeingsaresofarremovedfromwhatweare,particularlysocially.Theydefinitelydon'thaveanysocialskillsasfaraswe'reconcerned.Theytraumatizeyou.Interactionistraumaineveryway,shapeandform.It'sabetterthingthatthememoryistakenawayfrompeople,andmaybeitcomesbacktothemslowly,sotheycancopeanddealwithit.

Butinthatfirstsixyearsitwas,ambiguity,paradox,andlearningsymbols.ThepointthatthereisthatIhadnoframeofreferencetounderstandwhatwasgoingon.ThesecondsetofsixyearsorsevenyearswaswhenIwasturnedloose

onboard,whereIgottoseeagendas.NowIknewhowtobehave.A,Iwasn'tgonnakillthem.B,Iwasn'tgonnagoaroundtearinguptheship.C,Iwasn'tgoingtobedisruptive,Iwasn'tgonna...asIwasthatfirstsixyears.Iwasparalyzedforthemostpart.SonowIgottoseethingsthattheyweredoing.B:Now,thisisverystrangebecauseit'slikeafterthistime,afteryouhadbeenarebelintheirterms,it'slikeyoudidn'twanttocooperate.Youwereyellingandscreamingatthem.Youwereangry.Youwereoutraged...J:Right.B:...thatthesethingswerehappeningtoyouagainstyourwill,butthentheyseemedtotakeyouintotheirconfidence,almosttohelpthemwiththeirprogram.Imeanthisisaparadox.J:Yes,butitwasnecessary.Imeanyoureally...I'mnotjustifyingthem.Idon'tclaim...andyou'veheardmesaythisbefore,andI'mgonnasayitnow,I

don'tclaimtoembracealienculture.Ihaveahealthysuspicionofalltheirmotivesatalltimes.Idon'tjustswallowitandsay,"That'showitis".ButIletitplayitselfout.It'stheonlywisethingtodo.WhatI'mfindingisitisplayingitselfoutandIamseeingsignsandtheyarepositive,they'renotnegative.B:Woulditbefairthentodescribethisasakindofpositivebrainwashing?That'smytakeonwhatyouseemtobehaving.Andonceagainthat'saparadoxaswell,becauseonedoesn'treallyassociatetheterm"brainwashing"asbeing



anythingpositiveatall.J:Ofcourse.B:Butthereissomethingaboutthisbeingagainstpeople'sfreewill.J:Right.B:Theintentionseemstobepositivebecausetheideaistoshockorpushpeopleintotakingmoreresponsibilityforourplanetandourenvironmentthanwehavebeendoing.Isthisjustbecausethey'repurelyaltruisticoristheresomeself-interestinvolved?J:There'sdefinitelyself-interestandthere'sdefinitelybenefitstous.Butaddressingthebrainwashingaspectofit,clearlyit'sthere.Clearlyit'sforceduponone.Now,that'ssomethingthattookmeseveralyearstograspwhyithadtobethatway.Becausetheyaresofarremovedfromwhatweare.We'retalkingaboutspeciesofnon-humanintelligencethatareliterallythousandsofyearsinsomecases,aheadofustechnically.Thousandsofyearsaheadofalreadyfiguringthingsoutand,whohaveevolved.They'vejoined,sotospeak,thegalacticneighborhood.They'veconqueredthingslikedeath,someofthemhave.Theirlifespansarephenomenal,andIthinkit'salsotransformedphysicallyasthatwearsouttoanotherbodyform.B:That'swhatwe'veheard.J:Theyhavemanythousandsandthousandsandthousandsandthousandsofyearsofexperienceinadatabankintheirminds.It'scohesive,it'spractical,itworksasagroup,andwhenyouhavesomethinglikethat,thathassomethinginmind,you'rekillingyourplanetanditseesaproblemwithtime.B:Isit"our"planetorisit"their"planet?

J:(Laughing)TherearesomethingstherethatarehardtoswallowthatIdidn'tenjoybecauseIusetoscreaminthoseearlyyears"whyme,whyme,whyme,whyme...."AndIdidn'tgetananswer,andittookfivemoreyearstodoit,andthebottomlineis...Graysandthisparticularspecies...I'mnotspeakingforallofthem...veryclosetothefaceIsawhereearlier[referringtoBillHolden'smodelalienhead,seelaterintheinterview]...claimtohavegeneticallyalteredtheseape-likecreatures,whichI'veseen,inaholographicform,notinthephysical.It'sthetimething...anyway,theytookframesofcertaintimeperiods,andIgottoseewhatitwaslike.Perhapsmaybeafewmillionyearsago,maybeafewhundredthousandyearsago.Theseape-likecreaturesthatdon'tquitelooklikeamonkey,don'tquitelooklikeaperson,theyclaimtheygeneticallyalteredtomakeuswhatwearetoday.

B:AreyousayingthatyouexperiencedthisabitlikeaStarTrekholodeck?Likeakindof...likeyou'reinthere....J:No,No.B:OK,sorry.Justexplaintoushowitisthatyouexperiencedthis.J:Whatwecouldcommonlyrefertoasa....likeacomputerimage,onlyprojectedoutlikeahologram.Soyouwouldseeitinaframe,anditwasmanyofthesehologram-typeframes,squareframes,thatwouldhangintheair.I'veseenmanymanythousandsoftheseframesduringtheseexperiences.B:Soit'slikethree-dimensionalwidescreenTV,andyou'rerightinfrontofit?J:Yes.B:Okay.Gotit.J:Anddependingonhowsignificantitis,bringsindimension.NowI'mgetting

intoadetailedaspect.Ifit'stwo-dimensional,itcanalmostbelikeaflatthing,likeifitwasasketch,butsketched...asnapshotsketch.Ifithadsignificanceormoreimportance,thenittookonsomedepth.Buttheseape-likethings,accordingtothemtheyclaim,thattheygeneticallymanipulatedtomakeuswhatwearetoday,whichisapartofthem,accordingtothem,andapartofwhat'snaturallyhere.B:Sowe'vebeengene-splicedwiththem?J:Ifyouwanttosaygene-spliced.Howexactlytheydoit,Idon'tknow.B:Idon'tevenknow...that'satechnicalterm.J:Ithink,youknow,oneday,thatwillcomeout.Ikindahaveasuspicionon



how.Butnonetheless,Iknowit'scontrarytoreligion,philosophy,thingsofthatnature...sothat'swhyIsayIwasactuallyveryangryformanyyearsoverthat,butI'mnotanymore.Thatgivesthemasense,aright,Idon'twanttosayanownership,that'snottheexactword...there'saresponsibilitythere,eventhoughI'mnotveryproudoftheirrecordasfarasbeinginvisible,interactionwithus,ambiguous,notknowingwhattheyare,keepingthemselveshidden.IfyoulookatthingsliketheHolocaustandthethingsofthatnature,andatomicexplosions,andwhatwe'vebeendoingwarafterwar...youcouldthink...they'renotreallytakingresponsibility.WellIknowbetternow.Iunderstandwhy.B:There'sabookthatyouwrote,calledTheKeepers.J:Correct.B:WhydidyoucallitTheKeepers?J:Well,itwasinitiallygoingtobecalledTheStarPeople.Foryears,inthoseearlyyears,Iwantedtoknowwhotheywereandtheydon'tliketoanswerquestionsforvariousdifferentreasons.TherewasatimethatIgotwhatstruckmewiththeStarPeoplethingwasIhada...Iusedtointheearlyyearshavetomakesymbols,wouldhavetodoexercisesandtheywouldextractsemen.Andthey'ddoallthistraumaticstuff,andifIwasagoodlaboratorymouse,therewouldberewardsessions...itwaspunishmentandreward...whereIcouldget

questionsanswered.TherewasatimeIknewwhereIhaddoneparticularlywell,anditwasinthoseearlyyears.SoIgottoaskaquestionandIknewIwasgonnagetananswer.B:Thisisyourreward,tobeabletoaskaquestion?(Billlaughs)Okay,goon.J:Andmyquestionwas,"whothehell...whoareyou?Andtheresponsewas,"starpeople".NowIdidnotlikethatanswerasaperson,becauseIfeltlike,"what,doyouthinkI'mamonkey,I'manidiot?",youknow,"starpeople",whatareyousaying?It,soundslikesome1950'ssciencefiction,yeah,starpeople.Butinterestinglyenoughaboutthisintelligenceis,someoftheanswersormostoftheanswersaresosimpleandtothepoint,thatit'shardasahumanbeingtoacceptsomethingsimple.B:Yeah,IthinkI'mwithyouhere.Thekeywordthereis"people".

J:People.B:Yeah,people.J:So,StarPeople.SoIunderstoodwhattheymeant.Theyconsideredthemselvespeopleandwhentheyfirsttoldmethat,Igotontheirbutts.Hard.B:(chuckles)Right.J:âCauseI'mapeople,you'renotapeople,you'reapeople(pointstoBill)you'reapeople,(pointstocamera)you'renot,howdareyoucallyourselvesapeople!Butovertime,Istartedbreakingdownthemeaningthat,yes,they'refromthestars,theyconsiderthemselvestobepeopleorpersons,orbeings,buttheyjustusetheterm"people".Andtheytraveltime,theytraveldimension,they'vebeendoingitfortensofthousandsofyears.Sothere'snorealbaseforthemanymore,sotospeak.Nottosaythere'ssomethingwrongwiththat.It

wasaperfectanswer.

Okay.Now,somethingprofoundhappenedthatchangeditto"TheKeepers".IwastravelingfromNaples,FloridatoFortMeyersBeachwhereIwaslivingatFortMeyersBeachatthetime,andhalfwaythroughthatroute,Isawsomethingjustphenomenal.Whichisnotunusualforthetechnologytheyhave.ButIsawacraftthatlookedlikeasailboat.MeaningthatIsawasail,anditwasgoingacrosstheroad,abouthalfamileorthreequartersofamilefromme.Now,Ilivedin



anareaatthattimewheretherewaswater,andit'snotuncommonfortheretobeasailboat.

AndasIwaswatchingthissail,andasI'mdrivingdowntheroad,andI'mwatchingthesailgoacrosstheroad,IthenrealizedIknowthispartofthearea,there'snowaterhere,there'snobridgehere,andI'mlookingatsomethingasifitwasjustgoingthroughtheroad.WellitwasthetopofwhatIcalladiamondshapedship,whichislikeapyramidontop.Soagain,thelawsofphysicsaswedon'tunderstandit,don'tapply.That'swhysomeofthesethingsseemtopassthroughsolidmatter.Theyseem...there'sreportsthattheyflyintovolcanoes...thenthere'salltheseotherthingsofthisnature.Theycancreateafield.Theycandothis.That'sgonnagetyourattention.

WhenIsawthat'swhatitwas,itthenlifteditselfupfromtheroad,intothesky,itwashuge,quiet,youcouldn'thearathing,anditwashangingthere.AndI'mlookingatthisthingandthenthetelepathicmessagewasverydistinctandveryclear.Itsaid:"TheKeepers,theKeepersareheretotaketheirpeoplehometoabetterplace."

Now,asthatwasbeingsaid,theimagebeamedinmyheadveryclear,because

theydothesekindsofthings,becausetheycantransmitthought,transmitvision.Isawinsidewhatlookedlikealmostanatrium,ofthemcollectingeveryconceivableseedyoucanimagineoflife.Semen,ova,plantseeds,animalextractions,blood,andallcategorizedandallputinahi-techway.Sothey'recollectingthisstuff.Nowwhatdoesthatmean,"they'retakingtheirpeoplehometoabetterplace"?Theyrefertothemselvesthoughhowever,distinctlyandclearlyas"TheKeepers".

NowwhatItakethatshiptobesomethinglikeabeaconship,meaningthatinthecosmosthereisagalacticneighborhood,andtheydon'tfighteachotherin

general.It'stelepathic.Evenifyouhaveoneagenda,theyhaveanotheragenda,nowwe'retalkingaboutevolved.Youinyourjourneysasaspecies.Let'ssayyou'reaGray,andlet'ssayI'llbethehumanbeinginthiscase.Myjourneyisinthecosmos.Wemaycomeacrossthepathofashipandwedon'tknowwhatit'sdoing.Sowhenthatparticularship,whichislikearobotship,sotospeak,whenitpicksupanapproachbysomethingthatmaybepartofwhatit'sdoing,ornotwhatit'sdoing,isitidentifiesitself.Andasitidentifiesitself,thentheoccupantsofthatparticularcraft,anditmaybeadifferentspecies,know,hey,thisisacollectionship.Thisisanautomatedmedicalship.Thisis

onecollectingsamples,doingthis.Sotheyknowwhatitisandtheygoontheirway.

SowhenIcameacrossthisthing,whenI'mrealizingastimeisgoingby,itpickedsomethinguponme,becauseofinteractionwiththeseGraysfor19years.I'vealwayssaidthere'saresidualeffectofbeingaroundthem-thetechnology,thefield,somethingIradiate,somethingusabducteesmay,somethingasyoumay-itpickedupmeasitdidn'tknowwhatIwasinasense.



B:Buttheyroutinelyidentifiedthemselvestoyou.J:Right.B:Fascinating.J:Yes,sotheycallthemselvesTheKeepers.Nowinterestinglyenough,thisiswhyInamedthebook,"TheKeepers".Interestinglyenough,wasthateventtriggeredtheseweeksofmanyabductionsandfollowingsightings,inaphenomenalway,withotherindividualsandstrangersthatIdidn'tevenknow.

Sothatreallystruckmewell,because,onethingaboutthisbusiness,ifyouwanttocallitabusiness,isit'shearsay.Whereitcomesto...becausebereal,it'shearsay.B:Youcan'tproveadamnthing.J:Right.However,whenyou'rewalkingdownthebeach,andthatsamethingappearsinthesky,andtherearemanypeoplearoundyou,andit'soverthewaterandpeoplearejumpingupanddowninexcitement,andothersarescared,allthattookplaceandseveralotherexperienceswithinathreeweekperiod.Sothenamestuckwithmebecauseoftheeventsthatfollowedandthatdirect,"TheKeepers".SoitreferredtoitselfasTheKeepers.B:Verystriking.Veryappropriate.Whereisthisgoing,andisthereaprogramontrack?Fromtheirpointofview,ifyouweretheirprogrammanager,wouldyoufeel,okay,we'redoingallrighthere?Ordoyouthinkthatthisplanetisin

troubleand,they'rereallyhavingtoforcetheissuetogetwhateveritisthattheywanttoaccomplishedfromthis?What'syourtakeonwhetherthisisworkingforthem?J:Ingeneraland,nottobesomewhatspecificand,nottoovaguebutsomewhatspecific.B:What'syourfeelingaboutwherethisisgoing?Andwhy?J:Why?Okay.(Laughing)You'vegot,again,creaturesornon-humanintelligentbeingswhoareagain,tensofthousands,ifnothundredsofthousandsofyearsahead.Wheretheywouldbe,sotospeak,sociallyandhowtheybehave,andhavebeenrelativetowhereweare.Theyhavetechnologythatcantakethemtothepast,thatcantakethemtothefuture.WhatI'mgetting,ingeneral,isthatwe

doreachapoint,becauseIdon'twanttobetheonethatsaysgloomanddoom,andthisandthat,okay?Claimingtheendoftheworld,Istayawayfrom.B:Butyouarealsoaveryhonestmanintermsofreportingwhatitisthatyou'veperceived.J:Wedoevolve...B:Okay.J:...asaspecies.Wedoconqueralotofthings,particularlydying.Wedousethetoolsfortimetravel.WedospanthecosmostogetfrompointAtopointB,withouttimepassing.Thegoodnewsiswedoevolve.Theunfortunatenewsisthatonlyaboutahandfulofussurviveitbeforewerepopulateandevolve.

B:Survivewhat?

J:Well,IwouldsuspectverystronglythatsincetheemphasisonalmosteveryETnon-humanintelligentraceandspecies,isonourenvironment,Isuspectsomethingbad'sgonnahappenthere.However,thepushfromthefuturetonowistohaveallsixbillionofus,atthatpointclosetoeightbillionofus,surviveandevolveintothefutureandintothegalacticneighborhood.Itcanbechanged.B:Atwhatpoint?Yousayat"that"point,eightbillion.Whatpoint?



J:Whatpointinwhatrespect?B:Isthereayear,doyoumean?Orastage?J:Okay,here'saverywisething.B:Okay.J:Avery,verywisething.Thiscomesfrompersonalexperience,andthiscomesfrommeseeingthewaytheseguysare,sotospeak.There'snothingworse,andIamnotreligious,andthere'snothingworsethanafalseprophet,sotospeak.Eventhoughthere'ssomeonewhohasseenthefuture-andIhave-andthewaytheyportrayeditisinwaysthatIcan'ttellwhenandwhattimeitis.It'saparadox.ButnowI'munderstandingthatinthefirstfewyearsofthisIwouldalwaysgetthehologramsofadifferenttimeandplace,notcomprehendingwhatI'mseeing.Now18-19yearslater,IrealizethatIdidn't,Icouldn't,knowwhatIwasseeingandwhen,becauseIwouldhaveinterferedwithit.Iwouldhavegotteninmyownwaywithwhatmyplaceisinthisthing.Andotherabducteesandsoforth.B:Wewanttotakearesponsiblestanceininformingpeoplewiththebestdataavailable,frompeople'stestimony,sothatthosewhocanhear,willhear.Thosethatcan'thear,whateverwedo,andsomepeoplewillbeable,forthem,thatwillbethepromptforthemtotakeresponsibleaction.J:Okay.B:We'renotcatastrophists,we'renotdoommongers.We'renottryingtoscareanybody.

J:Right.B:We'rerightwithyou.Wewantallofhumanitytomakeitallthewaythrough.Butifthere'sanyonewatchingthisvideonow,thatsays,"myGod,youknowwhat,IthinkI'dbetterpayattentiontothingsIhaven'tbeenpayingattentiontobefore,"thenwewillhavedoneourjob.J:Idoknowwhattodo,intheearlyaspectsofthisthing.Twothings.Oneisamnesty.NowthisisnotcomingfromJimSparks.Thisiscomingfrominteractionwiththesebeingsovermanyyears.Amnestymeaningthatthereareagenciesthataresanctionedornotsanctioned,commonlyrefereedtoasBlackOps,secretgovernments,secretclubs,call'emwhateveryoumightwant,whohave

contractualinteraction,humanbeingswithnon-humanintelligentspeciesandgroups,whohavedevelopedinlinewiththesecreatures,technologieslikefreeenergy.

Idon'twanttosoundlikeasimpletonhere,okay?I'mnotsayinglet'sallholdhandsandbuyeachotheraCoca-Cola,andtheworldisbeautifulandwe'reatpeace,andlet'sallsingasongtogether.Iwanttobeaspracticalaspossible.There'snothingwrongwiththat,butIwannabepractical.Therearetechnologiesthatwillchangethefaceofthisplanet,asweknowit.Andforthefirsttimeinthehistoryofthehumanspecies,wewillbeabletoevolve.

Theproblemthatthespecieshas,IknowIseeitinyoureye,isthatwerely

toomuchonoutwardinfluenceoroutsidesourcestosaveus.Asaspecieswehaveaverydifficulttimelookinginwardtoourselvesandsaying,"it'snotgonnabeGodthatdoesitforus".It'snotgonnabe...I'mnotsayingthere'snoGod,I'mnotsayingit'snotgonnabeaGreatSpiritthat'sgonnadoitforus.It'snotgonnabealltheseoutsideforces.It'susfacingourselvesforthefirsttimeanddoingthesethingsourselvestojointhegalacticneighborhood.B:Wehavetobetheadultsandcleanupourownhouse.J:Wehavetodoit.There's,technologiesouttherethatexistthataresecret,



freeenergy,wherewedon'thavetoderivesomuchfromourenvironment.AndthesetechnologiesareinthepossessionoftheseBlackOpsecretorganizations,whointheirview,andintheireyes,sanctionedornot-mostofthemaresanctioned-thattheyaredoingthisforthedefenseandthesecurityofournation,andotherfreenations.I'mnotjustbeingselfishandsayingtheUnitedStates,butwedo,we'reupthereprettymuchatthetopwiththisstuff,okay?

Andthesethingsneedtobecutloosebecausewedohavetheglobalwarming.Wedohaveproblemswiththerainforest.Wedohaveaproblemwithpollutionintheocean.AndIcangoonandonandonwithourenvironmentalwoes.Sothesethingsneedtobefreedup.Now,intheeyesofthesebeingsthatareextremelyintelligentandhavealotofexperienceandhavemadesomethingveryclear.CreateanamnestyvehiclewherebecausethereisagrowingmajorityinthisBlackOporsecretgovernmentstuffthatwantstocomeforwardwiththisinformationandthesetechnologies.Quitefrankly,theydon'twannadiebringingitforward.Theydon'twanttobeexecuted,theydon'twanttobecharged,asunfortunatelypeoplehavebeendiscredited,murdered,maimed,forthesakeofnationalsecurity,innocentlaw-abidingcitizens,manyoverthelastparticularly40to60years,50to60years,themcomingforwardinanywayshapeorform.Let'sbepracticalhere.

Oh,you'reresponsibleformyfather'sdeath.Oh,you'reresponsibleformyaunt'sdeath.Oh,you'reresponsibleforthisandthat,becauseallthatstuffisgonnahavetocomeoutwithit.Thesepeoplecan'tbetouched.They'regonnahavetobeableto...they'regonnahavetohaveavehicletocomeforward100percentandIhatetousetheword"forgive",buthavetobeforgivenandforgotten,sothesetechnologiescancomeouttosaveus,andaidinsavingusfromwhatwe'redoingtothisplanet.

Now.Onehands-onprojectthatisparticularly...it'slikeanassignmentforme,andothers,butformyselfistherainforestproject.NowwhydoIsaytherainforest?It'sthelungsoftheplanet,it'stheinternalorgansoftheplanet.It'showshe'sabletocleanseandrecycleherself.Andwe'vedonealot

ofdamagetoher.Andnowwe'reinjuringtheinternalorgans.Globalwarmingisjustapartofit.Buttherainforestisextremelyimportantbecauseit'ssomethingthatwecansee,wecanseeitregressordigress.Wecanseeitexpandandcomebackoutagain,andhealthy.Ahands-onprojectwithoutonaglobalbasisinshort,wherewecanreallyseewhatwe'redoing,wherethewholeworldgetsinvolved,issomethingthatneedstobeaccomplished.

Onceit'saccomplished,thenwecanallknowinthisglobethatthereissomethingwecandoasaspecies,asawhole,allsixbillionofus,orhowevermanygetinvolvedtoactuallychangesomethingsoextremeastowherewearegoing.Whichwillmakeiteasiertotackletheseotherchallenges.Now,asaspecies,whentheyflybyandtheylookdownatus,whattheyseeisahornet's

nest.Youhavehornetsthatliveaveryshortlifespan,youhavehornetsthatareeatingandkillingeachother.Youhavehornetsthatarefightingeachotherandyou'relookingathornetsthatcannotgettheiracttogetherandneverhave.

B:Andtheydon'tseemtogiveadamnaboutthenest.J:Andtheydon'tunderstand.Sothehornetshavetofacethemselves.Notthatthey'renotwillingtoaid.Remember,thesepeople,thesebeings,thesethings,andthisisastrongpointI'mmakinghere,havebeen,fortensofthousandsof



years,ifnothundredsofthousands,interveninginanywayshapeorform,tobringustoevolving.Whathasbeendetermined,everythingunderthebookhasbeentried,underthesun,underunderthestars.Andwe'restillthesame,it'sournature.Wehavetodoitourselves.B:Isthefutureset,orareweonlytalkingaboutprobabilities?J:Ifyoulettheriverrun,itwillrunitscourseandit'sset.Youcanchangethecourseofariver,butwhatI'velearnedovertheyearsis,andI'vediscussedthiswithyouontheside,thatI'mlearningasIgo,thebutterflytheorycouldn'tbeanymoretheopposite.Ifyouputtimeinariversense,whichismoreambiguousandcomplexthanthat,butifyouputitinasenseofastrongflowingriver,inordertoalteraverymightyandpowerfulriverthat'sgonnarunitscourseandyouknowwhereit'sgonnago,ittakeatremendousamountofenergytomaketheslightestchange.Soifyoulettherivergonaturally,theflowoftimewillkeepgoing.B:Whereistheriverheadedrightnow?J:Well,it'snotastraightline.B:Okay(chuckles)-goodanswer.Butisitheadinginageneraldirection?Areyouoptimistic?J:IknowI'moptimisticaboutthepartasIsaidearlier,thatahandfulrelativetothepopulationontheplanetnow,survivealltheupcomingenvironmentalgarbage.Onlyaboutahandful,relativelyspeaking.Andthenpast

that,weevolveandrepopulate.NowIknowthetechnology,andI'mnotsayingIclaimIcanbuildatimemachine,butI'veseethetechnologyseveraltimes,morethanonce,andexperiencedtheirtechnologyseveraltimes,morethanonce,inmanydifferentways,facetoface,ofusevencomingbackfromthefuture,inmyface.It'samazinghowthisthinghasevolvedfromthehorrorthefirstsixyears,andthentoaninteractionthat'sfantastic.

However,andit'sthesamething:yeah,wemakeit,butnotallofusdobeforewegetthere.Whatdowewanttosee?Wewanttoseeallofus,ifnotmostofus,atleastgetpastthatpoint.ThisisaveryhardthingtodobecauseA,

it'shardtochangetheriveroftime.It'sstrong,it'sresilient,itwantstosnapback.Time,andtimeonceset,wantstostaythere..butitcanbe[changed].Sounfortunately,we'reonaprettyscrewedupcourse,whichisself-destructionwithourplanet.B:Haveyoubeenshownapossiblefutureoraprobablefutureassomekindofawarning?It'slike,youknow,thisiswherewe'reheadingifwedon'tchangethisriver.Haveyoubeenshownsomethinglikethis?J:Withoutgoingintogreatdetail...afterweevolve,IthinkiswhereIwanttogorightnow,whichis[pause]asweunderstandthingsnow,asseethingsnow,it'sfantastic.Wecan'tjustsitbackand,say,"oh,gee,wedoevolve"becausewerepopulateagain,andregroupandsoforth.Thepushistogetustobringmostofusifnotallofusthere.B:Itgetsworsebeforeitgetbetter,andwe'vegottorisetothechallenge.

J:Itwill,ohabsolutely,itwill.Oh,butwhenitwillandhowitwill,italmostdoesn'ttakemuchimagination.YouknowifyoustartlookingatCO2levels,ifyoustartseeingwhattherainforestis...Icouldgoonandonwiththeenvironmentalthings.Thewayoutisthefactthatwehavethebrainpower,wehavetherawresources,wehavethetechnologiesthatarehiddenfromus,andforverygoodreason,forthemostpart.Butfromwherewe'reatrightnow,thesethingsneedtocomeout,andtheyneedtocomeoutandchangethefaceoftheEarthasweknowit.



B:What'stheonemessagethatyouwouldliketoleaveviewerswithifyouwereinapositiontosaysomethingeveryonewouldremember,ortakenoteof,oractupon?(Jimlaughs)Whatwouldthatbe?J:Lookwithinyourselfandreally,reallyseewherewe'reat.Visioninyourmind,visioninyourheart,visioninyoursoultheglow.Visionallofusonit,seeusasaspeciesevolvedandthenthinkinyourmindfromwhereyou'reatnow,towhereyouseeusevolvewithallthewonderfulthingsthatI'vejustsaid.Whatstepsshouldbetakentogetusthere,ortogetmethere,andhowcanIparticipateinbringingusthereasaspecies.

B:Wehavealittlepieceofvideotapeherewhichwerecordedjustashortwhileago,fromsomebodywhoobtainedamodelofaGray.Wewouldliketoknowyourreactionstothis.Andthisisunprepared,thisislive,theseareyourspontaneousreactions...andjustgiveusyourresponsetothis.J:(Lookingatlaptopscreen)Forstarters,wedidhaveaphoneconversationspeakingofthegentleman,BillHolden,briefly,butinveryvaguedetaildescribingalittlebitabouthisbackground.Ihadaskedyouduringthatconversation,whichwasyesterday,whathisinteractionwasinrealitytoextraterrestrials.Asfarasdidheseeany?Andthingsofthatnature?Onthe

phoneyoumentionedtomeyesterdaythathewasonAirForceOne.Ibelievehesaidhewasasteward.Ialsobelievehesaidthat,asIremember,thathehadsomeinteractionwithPresidentKennedyandasyoumentionedalso,thatPresidentKennedyatthetimesaid,admittedtohimthatheisawareofextraterrestrialsandUFOsandyoudidn'tgointoanydetailpastthat.

Thenyoumentionedbrieflythathe,Mr.Holden,hisinvolvementhadchangedintheyears:hehadsomesortofsecurityclearanceandthathehadpicturesperhaps,orhehadexperiencedUFOs,andthevehiclesthemselves,withaliensstandingnexttothem.Ihadaskedyouthen,couldhedescribewhattheylookedlike,orcouldyoutellmewhathetoldyou?Youthensaidtomesomethingtotheeffectof,hecarriesaroundwithhimamodel,ahead,thathesaidhefound

ataswampmeetorsomethinglikethat,or...B:Hebasicallypickeditup.J:Somewherealongtheline.Becauseitwasveryclosetowhathesaw,right?B:Yes,thereareparticularfeaturesonthismodelthatheunderstandsareaccurate.Thisishisunderstanding.Becauseofyouruniqueexperience,we'dalsoliketorunthispastyou.J:ThisisanhonestreactionandIdidseeonthelaptopthatparticularstillversion.Onething,thatstoodout,withme,whenwewerehavingthephoneconversation,whichwaswhatyouwereexactlyabouttosay.Whichwas,hesaiditwasaveryclosereplica,butthenoseandthemouthwerealittlelessdefinedontheETversusthatmodel.FirstthingInoticedwhenIsatdownwasthisthinglooksvery,veryclosetoaspeciesthatI'veseen.Veryclose,right

upattheface.

Somyreactiontothatfirstwasthere'ssomeauthenticityhere.ThenasIlookcloseratit,andasI'mlookingatitnow,that'soneofthefirstthings:thenoseisnotright.Thenoseisalittletoopronouncedonthisthing.Andalso,howdefinedthemouthis.It'sdifferent.Now,somethingthatstandsoutwithmewhenitcomestothisparticularspeciesofGray,becauseitwasasituationthatreallythefaceissomuch...thewaythefacelookedissomethinginmyminf,andsomethingIcan'tforget.



Theyhavealeather-liketexturetotheirfacesandyoucanseesomethingakintowrinkles,whichdefinesoneindividualfromanother,meaningthatI'veseendronebeingsandthesedronebeingsaretheshortthreefootones,moreorless.Hugeheads,hugegiantteardropeyes,skinnynecksandsoforth.Andthey'reworkerbeesandIbelievethemtobehalfbiologicalandhalfrobotic.Theyarejusttoperformtasks.Woulditbeartificialintelligence?Idon'tthinkso,becauseofthebiologicalaspectofit.Nonetheless,whatIwouldcallthetruespecies,orthetruealien,aretheonesthatgovern,the"taskmasters".Thislookslikea"taskmaster".ThisiswhatlookslikewhatIwouldcallatruealien.B:WhatBillsaidwastherewasaveryunusualandpronouncedmusculatureatthebackofthehead,andthatforhimwassomethingthatindicatedtohimthatwhoeveritwaswhocreatedthelittlemodelknewexactlywhattheyweredoing,andeitherhadsomeexperience,iorsomeveryaccuratetestimonytoworkfrom.J:(pointingatthemusculatureonthebackoftheheadshownonthescreen)Toopronounced...Iwouldsaythatitwouldbe...Seewhereit'sridgedoverhere?WhatI'mseeingthat's...I'mnotsayingthatthisisnotauthentic,I'mjustsayingwhatIknow.B:Ofcourse.J:(stillpointingatthebackofheadmusculature)Thispartherewouldn'tbe

soindented,sopronouncedhere,butitwouldbemore...thecontourwouldbemoreblendedin.WiththeexceptionI'menjoyingaboutthisisthatthesefeatureshere,whereyou'reseeingthesedeepridges?(stillpointingtothesamearea)AgainthefaceoftheparticularspeciesthatI'mseeingnowandintimatelyhavehadinteractionwith,there'saleather-liketexturetotheface.Whenitcomestothisaspectoftheheaditwouldbemorerefinedridges,amorerefinedline.WhatI'mlookingathereitcomestomindandI'mjusttellingyougutreaction.Thislookslikeamodelmadefromonethathadbeendead.B:Oh!Right.J:That'sjustthegutreaction,andthat's"hey,that'showitis".ButI'mpleasedwiththefactthatit'snotdescribingthetypicalfacethat'ssmooth,bigeyes,thesmallthinlips,andtheyalllookalikekindofthing.Whatyour

seeinghereisobviouslyacreaturethathaspronounced,definedindependentfeatures,likemefromyouoryoufromme.Nowtheface,I'mimpressedwiththeeyes.I'vealwayssaidifyoureadmywork,inotherinterviews,wheneverI'vegiventalks,that'swhatIwouldcallatruealien,whenIsayIjustseparateitfromtheroboticbeings.WhenIsaytrue,inthatspecies,theeyesarenotnearlyasbigasthegiantteardropeyesoftheworkerbeings,butthey'recertainlybiggerthanours.SowhatI'mseeinghereinthefacearetheeyesarevery,verygood,asfaraswhatI'veseen.Thenoseisnotproper,andIfindthatfascinatingagaininthathehadmentionedthattoyouandtome.It'sthesamewiththemouth.AgainI'mseeingatextureonthefaceakintotheskin,whatwiththewrinklesbeingmorerefined.B:Jim,thisisabsolutelyfabulous.Thankyousomuch.You'rethedefinitive

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