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MONEY MANAGER REVIEW Published By MONEY MANAGER REVIEW, 12620 DUPONT ROAD, SEBASTOPOL, CA 94109 - TEL: (415) 386-7111, EMAIL: [email protected] SPRING 2013 VOLUME XLIV NO 1. TM Arnold Van Den Berg CEO & Co-Chief Investment Officer GUEST INTERVIEW Century Management

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SEBASTOPOL, CA 94109 - TEL: (415) 386-7111,EMAIL: [email protected]

SPRING 2013

VOLUME XLIV NO 1.

TM

Arnold Van Den BergCEO & Co-Chief

Investment Officer

GUEST INTERVIEW

Century Management

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Century Management 805 Las Cimas Parkway, Suite 430 Austin,Texas 78746 Telephone: 512-329-0050 | Fax: 512-329-0816 Email:[email protected] Web: http://centman.com

Arnold Van Den Berg Chief Executive Officer,

Co-Chief Investment Officer, Portfolio Manager

March  27,  2013  

Money  Manager  Guest  Interview      Arnold,  please  tell  us  about  how  you  got  started  in  the  money  management  business.    I   began  my   investment   career   in   1968   at   John   Hancock   Insurance   and   later  moved   to   Capital   Securities   as   I  wanted   to   help   clients   save   for   their   retirement.   The   year   1968   also   happened   to   be   the   peak   of   the   stock  market.  While  the  market  experienced  a  bear  market  rally  in  1970,  its  general  trend  during  my  first  six  years  in  the  business  was  down,  finally  hitting  bottom  in  1974.    This  was  the  worst  decline  since  the  Great  Depression,  and   as   you   can   imagine,   the   mutual   funds   in   which   I   had   invested   my   clients’   money   had   also   gone   down  dramatically.   It  was  a  very  painful  time  for  me  and  it  caused  me  to  rethink  my  investment  strategy.  I  began  to  study  many   investment   philosophies   to   try   and   gain   a   better   understanding   of  why   so  many  managers  went  down   so   much   for   so   long.   What   I   discovered   was   that   value   managers,   such   as   Benjamin   Graham   and  particularly  his  disciples,  both  protected   their   clients'   capital  better  and  provided  more  consistent   investment  results   than  managers  using  other   investment   strategies.   In  addition,   value   investing   resonated  with  me  on  a  personal  level  as  it  was,  and  still  is,  consistent  with  how  I  live  my  personal  life.  So  in  1974,  at  the  bottom  of  the  market,   having   finally   found   an   investment   philosophy   I   could   believe   in,   I   decided   to   start   Century  Management.  At  that  time,  I  figured  I  was  either  going  to  make  a  lot  of  money  or  it  was  going  to  be  the  end  of  the  world.    Please  describe  how  Century  Management  has  grown  over  the  years  and  tell  me  a  little  about  your  staff.  Today,   Century  Management   has   42   employees   and   roughly   $2   billion   in   assets   under  management.  My   son  Scott,  who  has  been  with   the   firm  for  20  years,   is   the  company  president  and  chief  operating  officer,  and  my  son-­‐in-­‐law,   Jim  Brilliant,  who  has  been  with   the   firm   for  26  years,   is  our  co-­‐chief   investment  officer  and  chief  financial  officer.  I  continue  to  hold  the  role  of  co-­‐chief  investment  officer  and  CEO.  We  have  a  very  close  family,  so   it  has  been  great  working  with  Scott  and   Jim  over   the  years   to  build   the  business  and  manage   the  clients’  portfolios.    But  we  have  an  entire  team  of  very  dedicated  people  working  hard  each  and  every  day  that  make  this  company  successful,  and   I  am  very  proud  of  them  all.  They,  too,  are   like  family.  As  a  matter  of   fact,  CM’s  average  employee  has  been  with  the  company  for  more  than  11  years.  This  is  an  experienced  team  as  well.  Our  average   employee   has   over   19   years   of   industry   experience.   In   concert   with   our   company   policy,   every  employee  has  the  vast  majority,  if  not  all,  of  their  taxable  investable  assets  and  100%  of  their  company  pension  plan  assets  invested  in  the  same  securities  as  our  clients.  Embedded  into  our  firm’s  culture  is  the  belief  that  we  should  align  our  own  personal  investments  with  those  of  our  clients.  I  have  always  felt  that  this  goes  a  long  way  toward  removing  conflicts  of  interest,  and  it  keeps  everyone  focused  on  doing  what’s  right  for  the  client.    Please  tell  us  more  about  your  private  management  versus  your  mutual  fund  products  and  strategies.  Of   our   $2   billion   in   assets   under  management,   approximately   88%   of   our   business   is   conducted   through   the  management  of  individual  client  accounts.  Our  clients  are  typically  individuals  and  families  with  joint  accounts,  IRAs,  and  trusts;  businesses  with  corporate  accounts  and  retirement  plans;  and  partnerships,   foundations  and  institutional  accounts.  The  other  12%  of  our  business  is  conducted  through  the  CM  Advisors  Family  of  Funds,  of  which  we  are  the  advisor.      www.managerreview.com Page  1  

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Our  flagship  private  account  strategy  is  our  all-­‐cap  value  strategy  that  we  refer  to  as  CM  Value  I.  It  dates  back  to  1974   and   was   the   strategy   I   used   when   I   started   Century  Management.   However,   over   the   years   as   clients  expressed   different   investment   needs,   we   applied   our   value   investment   discipline   to   a   variety   of   other  strategies,   including   two   large-­‐cap   value   strategies,   two   small-­‐cap   value   strategies,   three  balanced   strategies,  and  one  fixed  income  strategy.    Why  do  you  believe  that  value  investing  is  a  better  way  to  manage  money?  Value  investing  does  not  appeal  to  the  masses.  If  it  did,  you  would  never  be  able  to  buy  a  bargain.    Stocks  selling  below   their   intrinsic   value   or   below  what   an   experienced   businessman   knows   his   company   is  worth,   bargain  stocks,  are  usually  only   found  during   times  of  great  uncertainty.  Because  of   the   fear   surrounding  uncertainty,  many   people   are  willing   to   sell   stocks  well   below   their   intrinsic   values   and   often   times   at   bargain-­‐basement  prices.   Typically   this   happens   because   a   company,   an   industry,   or   in   some   cases   the   market   at-­‐large   has   a  problem,  which  is  usually  temporary.  Regardless,  history  has  proven  that  investors  who  buy  these  bargains  will  frequently   be   rewarded  when   the   uncertainty   clears.   This   is   as   fundamental   as   it   gets,   and   you   can   use   this  approach   for   any   investment,   whether   it’s   stocks,   bonds,   real   estate,   commodities,   or   a   private   business.   As  Benjamin   Graham   said,   “Price   determines   return.”     And,   as   his   famous   disciple,   Warren   Buffett,   stated,  “Uncertainty  is  the  friend  of  the  long-­‐term  investor”.    What  is  your  approach  to  value  investing?  Jim   Brilliant,   our   co-­‐chief   investment   officer,   explains   it   best   when   he   states   that   the   main   focus   of   our  investment  philosophy  is  to  recognize  and  capitalize  on  value  gaps.  Simply  put,  the  value  gap  is  the  difference  between  the  price  of  a  stock  and  the  underlying  value  of  the  business.  Benjamin  Graham  once  said,  “In  the  short  run,   the  market   is  a  voting  machine,  but   in   the   long  run   it’s  a  weighing  machine.”  That’s  exactly  what  he  was  describing.  He  was  describing  how   in   the   short   run,  market   gyrations  move   stocks   all   over   the  place,  but   the  underlying  value  of  the  business  is  what  defines  the  price  over  the  long  run.        As  an  example,  let’s  take  a  cyclical  company  with  a  strong  balance  sheet.  These  are  some  of  our  favorites.  We  know  at   the  bottom  of   the   cycle,   it   generally   loses  or  doesn’t  make  much  money,   at   the   top  of   the   cycle   it’s  making  a  lot  of  money,  and  in  between  it  is  growing  its  earnings  appropriately.      On   Chart   1,   I   have   isolated   the   tangible   book   value   per   share   for   our   sample   company,   which   is   one   of   our  favorite  14  valuation  metrics  that  we  use  to  value  businesses.    Tangible  book  value,  for  those  not  familiar  with  it,  consists  of  all  the  assets  of  a  company  minus  all  the  liabilities,  which  gives  you  the  net  worth  or  book  value  of  the  company.  From  there,  you  subtract  the  value  of  goodwill,  patents,  and  copyrights,  and  what  you  have  left  is  tangible  book.  Looking  at  Chart  1,  you  can  see  that  while  there  have  been  ups  and  downs  along  the  way  over  the  past  20  years,  the  tangible  book  of  our  sample  company  has  grown  rather  steadily  over  time.  Now  it’s  cyclical,  so  there  are  some  ups  and  downs.  But,  over  20  years,  through  all  the  economic  ups  and  downs,  the  tangible  book  has  grown  pretty  nicely  over  time.  

           

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Chart  1  Sample  Company  Tangible  Book  Value  Per  Share  

 

 Now  let’s  look  at  the  stock  price  during  this  same  period  on  Chart  2.  It’s  volatile.  It  has  gone  from  $5  to  $25,  back  to  $5,  up  to  $10,  down  to  $5,  back  up  to  $30,  back  down  to  $8,  and  so  on.      

Chart  2  Sample  Company  Stock  Price  

 

 The  value  investor  sees  this  volatility  and  says,  “What  a  great  opportunity.”  However,  the  masses  generally  say,  “This  stock  is  way  too  risky,  I’ll  pass.”  We  are  full  believers  in  the  “buy  low,  sell  high”  investment  philosophy,  so  to  us  this  would  be  a  great  opportunity.  Now  it’s  time  to  apply  our  value  gap  methodology,  and  on  Chart  3  we  put  Charts  1  &  2  together  to  compare  price  and  value.  

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Chart  3  Sample  Company  Price-­‐to-­‐Tangible  Book  Value  

 

 What  you  notice  on  Chart  3   is   that  every   time  the  price  hits   tangible  book,   it’s  the  bottom  of   the  stock  price.    Furthermore,   it   doesn’t   stay   down   there   very   long.   This   also   coincides   with   the   time   that   the   stock   is   the  cheapest   and   where   the   reward-­‐to-­‐risk   is   the   greatest.   Unfortunately,   it’s   also   the   time   when   the   masses  typically  become  fearful  of  the  volatility,  often  times  selling  these  stocks  or  ignoring  them  altogether,  and  thus  give  up  the  potential  for  a  great  opportunity.    Now  that  we  know  the  stock  typically  hits  bottom  when  it’s  selling  at  tangible  book,  the  final  step  is  to  convert  this   into   a   price-­‐to-­‐tangible   book   ratio   in   order   to   see  what   this   ratio   has  been   at   any   time  over   the  past   20  years.  On  the  side  of  Chart  4,  we  show  numbers  zero  through  eight.  The  number  one  represents  1  times  book,  the  number  two  represents  2  times  book,  and  so  on.  The  Value  Zone  shown  on  the  chart  suggests  it   is  a  good  buying  opportunity  when  the  stock  trades  at  1  to  1.5  times  tangible  book  value.  Conversely,  any  time  the  stock  sells  at  3  to  4  times  tangible  book,  we  would  suggest  the  stock  is  in  the  Expensive  Zone  and  selling  is  in  order.  

                         

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This  Sample  Stock  Price  Reached  Tangible  Book  5  Times  in  22  Years  

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Chart  4  Sample  Company  Price-­‐to-­‐Tangible  Book  Value  

     When  we  wrap  everything  up,  we  put   it   into  our  valuation  structure.   In  this  example,  we  would  set  our  worst  case  at  0.90  times  tangible  book,  our  buy  point  at  1.15  times  tangible  book,  and  our  sell  point  at  3  times  tangible  book.  While  we  use  many  valuation  metrics  to  arrive  at  our  total  valuation,  as  certain  valuation  metrics  are  more  relevant  to  certain  companies  and  industries  than  others,  we  believe  this  process  in  valuing  a  business  allows  us  the  opportunity  to  capture  the  value  gap  and  make  the  volatility  work  in  our  favor.    Are  there  certain  sectors  or  cap  sizes  that  produce  better  value  gaps  than  others?  Value  gaps  happen  in  all   industries  and  all  sectors.  They  happen  in  small  companies  as  well  as   large.  They  can  occur   one   at   a   time   or   all   at   once   in   major   market   downturns.   It   is   for   this   reason   that   I   began   Century  Management  with   an   all-­‐cap   value  discipline,   as   I   did  not  want   to  be   limited   to   any   cap   size  or   sector  of   the  market.   I   wanted   to   invest   wherever   I   could   find   value.   This   all-­‐cap   value   approach   has   been   our   flagship  strategy  for  more  than  38  years.      As  value  investors,  do  you  ever  use  macroeconomics?  Yes,  we   review  macroeconomic   factors.  However,  we   have   come   to   the   conclusion   that   there   are   only   three  primary  drivers  that  affect  stock  performance.    And  although  you  won’t  always  be  right,   if  you  concentrate  on  these   three   things,   your   investment  decisions,  overall,  will  probably  be  very  good.  They  are   inflation,   interest  rates  and  the  fundamentals  of  businesses.                

   

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   How  would  you  describe  the  fundamentals  of  business  today?  There   are  many  positive   developments   taking  place   in   this   country.    While   there   are   also   a   lot   of   short-­‐term  negatives  impacting  the  economy,  the  positives  have,  unfortunately,  been  lost  among  the  negatives  featured  in  today’s  newspapers.    For  example,   there  are   tremendous  opportunities  and   financial  gains   taking  place   in   the  production   of   natural   gas.     This   is   truly   a   game   changer   in   economics,   and   it   is   truly   phenomenal   to   see   this  happen.    For  the  first  time  in  our  country’s  history,  we  are  going  to  be  able  to  create  a  surplus  in  natural  gas  that  will  allow  us  to  become  a  major  exporter.    Up  to  this  point,  we  were  only  importers.    We  have  the  capacity  to  produce  natural  gas  at  $4.00  to  $4.50  per  thousand  cubic  feet.    We  can  ship  it  for  another  $4.00  to  $4.50.    We  can  sell   it  as  high  as  $16  in  Japan  and  in  Europe  at  $10  or  $11.  In  addition,  it   is  now  estimated  that  we  have  a  100-­‐year  supply  of  natural  gas,  and  its  drilling  and  production  is  not  expected  to  taper  off  for  another  20  or  30  years.        Because   we   are   becoming   the   low-­‐cost   producer   of   natural   gas,   there   is   a  manufacturing   resurgence   taking  place  in  the  United  States.  In  fact,  there  are  companies  from  all  over  the  world  planning  to  open  up  plants  here  to  be  able  to  take  advantage  of  this  low  cost  energy.    One  example,  the  irony  of  ironies,  is  that  Egypt  is  bringing  over  their   largest  fertilizer  manufacturing  plant  to  the  U.S.  because  they  can  buy  the  natural  gas  cheaper  here  than  in  the  Middle  East.    This  is  truly  amazing.        Also  in  the  manufacturing  sector  is  3D  printing.  This  is  one  of  the  most  exciting  developments  I  have  seen  in  a  long  time.  3D  printing  now  allows  manufacturers  of  any  size  in  almost  any  industry  to  take  a  computer-­‐designed  blueprint,  put  it  into  the  3D  printer,  pour  in  a  variety  of  liquids  or  other  materials,  and  then  the  machine  literally  produces  the  product  just  like  you  would  print  ink  on  a  piece  of  paper.    As  a  matter  of  fact,  in  the  field  of  medical  science  they  have  used  this  technology  to  make  custom  fit  titanium  jaws,  as  well  as  human  skulls.  Additionally,  Wake  Forest  University  is  experimenting  with  this  technology  with  the  hopes  of  being  able  to  reproduce  human  tissue,  so  that  one  day  human  organs,  such  as  a  kidney,  can  be  reproduced.      These  are  phenomenal  developments  that  are  going  to  make  us,  the  United  States,  the   low  cost  producer  and  manufacturer  of  many  goods  and  services.    As  a  matter  of  fact,  our  research  shows  that  in  order  for  Europe  to  be  competitive  with  America  today,  they  would  need  to  reduce  their  costs  another  30%.  This  is  in  addition  to  the  reductions   they  have  already  made!     Japan   is  no   longer  competitive  with   the  United  States;   they  are  bringing  their  automobile  plants  over  here,  and  they  are  starting  to  print  money  again  to  reduce  the  value  of   the  yen.    China,   which   used   to   be   our   main   competitor,   is   still   a   competitor.   However,   because   their   wages   have  increased,  all  of  the  unrest,  the  shipping  and  so  forth,  there  are  many  companies  that  are  starting  to  bring  their  plants  over  here  instead.      Real  estate  is  another  area  of  growth  for  the  U.S.  While  real  estate  markets  and  prices  are  location  specific,  the  overall   health   of   the   U.S.   real   estate   market   has   been   improving.   As   the   shadow   inventory   continues   to   be  worked  down,  new  home  buyers  and  investors  enter  the  market;  and  with  the  help  of  low  interest  rates  and  the  lack  of  development  over  the  past  four  years,  real  estate  has  become  a  tailwind  rather  than  a  headwind  for  the  economy.    These  items  make  the  long-­‐term  future  of  America  very  bright  indeed.    

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 Do  you  expect  high  inflation  in  the  near  future?  Over  the  last  10  years,  commodities,  in  general,  have  moved  up  about  7%.    Well,  why  hasn’t  this  7%  increase  in  commodities   registered   in   the   CPI,   as   it   only   shows   a   2.4%   increase?     The   reason   is   that   the   biggest   cost   of  inflation  is  human  labor.    In  any  product,  labor  costs  between  60%  and  80%.    And  therein  lies  the  rub.  As  your  readers  have  probably  noted  in  their  own  salaries,  most  have  not  gone  up  for  the  last  five  years.    You  will  not  have  wage  inflation  until  salaries  go  up.    And  when  looking  at  a  real  rate  of  return  (inflation  adjusted),  salaries  aren’t  even  back  to  2007  levels.  For  five  years  salaries  have  been  stagnant.    If  the  median  income  in  the  United  States  is  $50,000,  and  people  have  to  pay  more  for  gas,  but  they  do  not  have  any  more  money  coming  in,  they  spend   more   for   gas   and   spend   less   on   food,   on   clothes   or   other   things.     Commodity   prices   will   eventually  average   out   as   people   spend  more   on   energy   and   less   on   other   things.     As   a  matter   of   fact,   the   Continuous  Commodity  Futures  Price  Index  hit  a  high  of  700  last  year,  and  it  has  been  coming  down  just  as  gold  has  been  coming  down  because  the  effects  have  already  started  to  percolate  through.    So  first  of  all,  you’re  not  going  to  have  as  much  commodity  inflation  going  forward.    Second,  you  are  not  going  to  have  much  wage   inflation.   Over   the   last   year,   we   have   averaged   180,000   new   jobs   a  month.     But   there   are  110,000   people   coming   into   the   labor   force   each   month   looking   for   jobs.     So   if   you   take   180,000   jobs   and  subtract  the  110,000  people  that  are  coming  into  the  job  market,  the  net  job  creation  is  70,000  per  month.  In  order   to  have  a   tight   labor  market   in  which  people  can  negotiate   for   raises,  we  need  the  unemployment  rate  down  to  about  6.0%  to  6.5%.    That’s  going  to  take  approximately  4  million   jobs.     If  you  need  4  million   jobs  to  have  a  tight  labor  market  and  wage  inflation,  and  you  are  only  producing  a  net  70,000  jobs  a  month,  it  will  take  four  years  and  nine  months  to  get  that  tight   labor  market.     It   is  Fed  Chairman  Bernanke’s  desire  to  move  this  money  out  of  the  banks  during  this  time,  which  should  be  sufficient  to  stave  off  major  inflation.      Now  whether  he  does   it  or  not,   I  don’t  know.    But  after  reading  the  Fed  minutes,   I  get  a  sense  that  there  are  many  people  on  the  Federal  Reserve  Board  concerned  and  that  they  will  want  to  eventually  pull  this  money  out  of  the  banks.    However,  if  they  don’t,  then  those  people  who  are  predicting  high  inflation  will  be  right.    Watch  what  the  Federal  Reserve’s  doing.    If  they  start  to  remove  those  reserves,  you  can  quit  worrying  about  inflation  until  you  have  a  tight  labor  market. Can  interest  rates  go  up  even  if  we  don’t  have  high  inflation?  Yes.    Credit   risk  can  cause  a  dramatic   rise   in   interest   rates   if  people  begin   to   fear   that   they  may  not  get   their  money  back.    Spain,  Greece,  Italy  and  Portugal  had  very  modest  inflation  a  couple  of  years  ago,  running  around  2.5%  to  3.0%.    It  was  a  little  higher  in  Spain  and  roughly  4.0%  in  Italy,  but  pretty  much  like  the  U.S.    Then,  in  a  matter  of  weeks,  Spain’s  bond  went  from  4.5%  to  7.0%.    Greece  went  from  4.5%  and  5.0%  to  30%.    Italy  went  from  4.0%  to  7.0%  and  Portugal  went  from  5.0%  to  20%.        What  caused  their  tremendous   increases   in   interest  rates   if   there  was  no   inflation  to  speak  of?    They  were  so  heavily   in   debt,   and   since   the   debt   kept   piling   up   because   of   the   recession,   people   started   worrying   about  getting  their  money  back.    So  credit  risk  can  drive  up  interest  rates.  Now  I  am  going  to  give  you  the  guidelines.    In  Spain,  debt-­‐to-­‐GDP   is  90%.     In  Greece,   it’s  170%  to  GDP.     In   Italy   it’s  127%,  and   in  Portugal   it’s  118%.    The  general   thinking  at   the   International  Monetary  Fund   is   that  when  a  nation  gets   to  be  about  115%  to  120%   in  debt,  people  start  worrying  about  getting  their  money  back.    Today,  the  U.S.  is  at  103%.    While  we  are  not  at  the    www.managerreview.com Page  7  

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 level  of  these  other  countries  (except  for  Spain-­‐however,  our  earnings  power  is  greater  and  therefore  our  ability    to  repay  our  debt  is  greater),  we  are  at  risk  when  it  comes  to  interest  rates.    It  has  nothing  to  do  with  inflation;    rather  people  would  be  worried  about  our  government’s  ability  to  pay  down  that  debt.    I  think  it  would  take  at    least  five  to  seven  years,  even  at  the  current  ridiculous  rates,  before  people  would  start  worrying  about  that.      However,  this  is  not  a  very  long  time,  so  we  need  to  be  thinking  about  it  now.    If  the  debt-­‐to-­‐GDP  rises  over  110%,  then  you  must  consider  the  risk  of  increasing  interest  rates  due  to  credit  risk  as  opposed  to  the   increasing   interest  rate  risk  due  to   inflation.     In  the  1970s,  the  U.S.  had  a  very   low  debt-­‐to-­‐GDP  ratio.    That’s  why  the  Fed  was  allowed  to  continue  on.    Today,  there  is  so  much  debt  in  the  economy  that  it  will  weigh  heavily  on  the  U.S.  if  interest  rates  begin  to  rise.  However,  in  the  immediate  future,  I  do  not  believe  that  interest  rates  will  increase  dramatically,  nor  do  I  believe  that  inflation  will  rise  dramatically.        As  a  value  investor,  how  do  you  predict  when  to  invest?  Most  of  the  people  who  have  accumulated  the  greatest  wealth  in  this  business  have  done  so  not  by  predicting  the   future,   but   by   buying   companies   at   such   attractive   prices,   thereby   discounting   the   majority   of   the  problems  people  fear.  And,  as  usually  happens  in  life  and  also  when  buying  stocks,  most  of  our  fears  are  never  realized.  When   investors  own   companies   at   prices   that   already   reflect   existing   and   future  problems,   as   some  of  those  problems  never  materialize,   they   likely   find  themselves  with  nice  profits  and  thereby  understand  and  appreciate  that  the  greatest  wealth  is  made  in  buying  great  values,  not  in  trying  to  predict  the  future.    Do  you  think  the  market  is  cheap  or  expensive  today?  I  think  Value  Line  Investment  Survey’s  median  P/E  is  a  great  barometer  of  the  general  market.  Over  the  last  30  plus  years,   this  survey’s  median  P/E  has   fluctuated  from  about  10  at  market  bottoms  to  roughly  20  at  market  peaks.     It   is  very  simple  and  easy  to  understand.    In  2009,  when  the  market  was  way  down,  it  was  at  10  times  earnings.    Only  four  times  in  the  last  30  years  has  it  hit  a  median  P/E  of  10  +/-­‐.    

                                   

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Chart  5  Historical  Value  Line  Median  Price  Earnings  Ratio  

 

 Let  me  explain  why  this  is  such  a  good  barometer  to  use.    First,  because  it  uses  a  median  P/E  versus  an  average  P/E,  the  distortions  caused  by  a  small  group  of  large  companies,  typical  of  an  S&P  500  average  P/E,  have  been  removed.    Second,   it   is  made  up  of  1,700  companies  versus  500  in  the  S&P  500  and  only  30   in  the  Dow  Jones  Industrial  Average,  and  it  includes  a  lot  of  mid  and  small-­‐cap  companies.  Third,  it  uses  two  quarters  of  forward  earnings  and  two  quarters  of  trailing  earnings  versus  all  forward-­‐looking  earnings.    Therefore,  I  believe  it  gives  you  a  very  good  evaluation  of  the  general  market.  As  of  March  15,  2013,  the  median  P/E  is  16.6.    If  we  currently  had  more  normal,  long-­‐term  historical  growth  rates,  the  potential  upside  could  be  from  a  median  P/E  of  16.6  to  20,  which  is  20%.  However,  I  would  suggest  to  you  that  because  we  have  such  slow  growth  in  today’s  economy,  the  median  P/E  probably  won’t  get  over  17  or  18.  If  17  to  18  is  the  peak  given  this  current  rate  of  growth,  our  opinion  is  that  this  is  a  fairly-­‐valued  market  today  with  only  3%  to  10%  left  on  the  upside.      How  can  those  interested  in  your  services  find  out  more  about  Century  Management?      You  can  learn  more  about  our  firm  on  our  website  at  www.centman.com,  or  call  us  at  1-­‐800-­‐664-­‐4888  and  we  will  be  happy  to  send  you  more  information.                www.managerreview.com Page  9  

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