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July 18, 2007
Webinar“Self-Directing Your Retirement Plan for Real Estate:
What Can I Really Do?”Mathew N. Sorensen, J.D.
www.kkolawyers.comCedar City ~ Las Vegas ~ Beverly Hills ~ Salt Lake City
Telephone 435.586.9366 / Facsimile 435.586.9491
© Kyler Kohler & Ostermiller, LLP 2007
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Disclaimer- Although the information contained in this Presentation may be extremely useful and helpful, please understand that the presentation of this information does not constitute an attorney-client relationship. Moreover, the information contained in this Presentation is for general guidance only. It is strongly recommended that each individual or entity obtain their own legal advice, particularly applied to their own set of circumstances, facts and specific situation. Kyler Kohler & Ostermiller, LLP is not responsible or liable for any advice that is taken and applied in a situation without direct consultation and representation specific to that individual’s or company’s needs.
Instructor Notes
© Kyler Kohler & Ostermiller, LLP 2007
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Prohibited Transactions
Cannot Buy From Or Sell To… The IRA Owner.
Plan Decision Maker.
Plan Service Provider.
Spouse, Parents, Children & their Spouses.
Corporation, Partnership, Trust, or Estate where 50% or more is owned by a prohibited party.
Officer, Director, 10% or more share holder, or highly compensated employee (highest paid).
Partner of Related Party.
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Make it profitable…
Wiggle Room
The IRS allows your The IRS allows your IRAIRA to sell to and buy from to sell to and buy from brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, and step Relatives.nephews, and step Relatives.
IRS Ruling 2004-8: In a IRS Ruling 2004-8: In a Roth IRARoth IRA, brother and , brother and sister are considered a Prohibited Party, so you sister are considered a Prohibited Party, so you cannot sell to or buy from them in your cannot sell to or buy from them in your Roth IRARoth IRA..
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Real Estate is the “Key”
Rules are specific to real estate
Must be Real Estate Operating Company if the Retirement Plan and IRA Owner own more than 25% of the LLC/LP. See 29 CFR Section 2510.3-101.
Cannot have 100% control of LLC/LP.
If not Real Estate or you want to take a salary for managing the company, you, your SDRPs and Prohibited Parties Cannot own 50% or more of the company.
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The Right Structure for You
Option 1
Tax QualifiedPlan$$
Self DirectedRetirement
Plan$$
Raw Land
$$ LOANSecured byReal Estate
- No Debt- No LLC/LP- No Partners- Direct Investment in name of IRA
Make it profitable…
For Illustration Purposes OnlyMay not be reproduced without theExpress written permission of KKO Lawyers©
Createor Transfer
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Option 2
Rental Property(Income Producing)
Non-RecourseLoan
MortgageCompany
- Non-Recourse Debt- No Personal Guaranty- No Sweat Equity- No LLC/LP- No Partners- Direct Investment in name of IRA
The Right Structure for You
Make it profitable…
Tax QualifiedPlan$$
Self DirectedRetirement
Plan$$
For Illustration Purposes OnlyMay not be reproduced without theExpress written permission of KKO Lawyers©
Createor Transfer
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Option 3
- Non-Recourse Debt- Single Member LLC- No Personal Guaranty- No Sweat Equity- No Partners- Direct Investment in name of IRA
SingleMember
LLC
The Right Structure for You
Make it profitable…
Raw Land
$$ LOANSecured byReal Estate
Tax QualifiedPlan$$
Self DirectedRetirement
Plan$$
For Illustration Purposes OnlyMay not be reproduced without theExpress written permission of KKO Lawyers©
Createor Transfer
Real EstateOperating Company
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Option 4
Rental Property(Income Producing)
Non-RecourseLoan
MortgageCompany
- Non-Recourse Debt- Single Member LLC- No Personal Guaranty- No Sweat Equity- No Partners- Direct Investment in name of IRA
SingleMember
LLC
The Right Structure for You
Make it profitable…
Tax QualifiedPlan$$
Self DirectedRetirement
Plan$$
For Illustration Purposes OnlyMay not be reproduced without theExpress written permission of KKO Lawyers©
Createor Transfer
Real EstateOperating Company
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Option 5
50%
Limited Liability Co.
orLimited Php.
IRAOwner
40-45%
MortgageCompany
Guarantor
Rental Properties
3rd PartyOwner
5-10%- Recourse Debt - YES- Partners -YES- LLC/LP- Yes
The Right Structure for You
Make it profitable…
Tax QualifiedPlan$$
Self DirectedRetirement
Plan$$
For Illustration Purposes OnlyMay not be reproduced without theExpress written permission of KKO Lawyers©
Createor Transfer
Real EstateOperating Company
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Self Directed IRA Issues
Prohibited Transactions Transactions with Prohibited parties Use of Property Compensation of IRA ownerUnrelated Business Taxable Income (“UBTI”)
1. Rents, interest, dividends and capital gains exempt.
2. Watch out for development activities and non-real estate activities.
Unrelated Debt Financed Income (“UDFI”)1. Tax is paid on the portion of gains attributable to
the debt on the property. Administration Duties Annual report/valuation to Custodian Bookkeeping and tax return
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Self-Directed Plan Compliance Issues
• Must be Real Estate Operating Company if the Retirement Plan and IRA Owner own more than 25% of the LLC/LP See 29 CFR Section 2510.3-101
• Can’t have 100% control of LLC/LP
• Prohibited Transactions Transactions with Prohibited parties Use of Property Compensation of IRA owner
• Administration duties Annual report/valuation to Custodian Bookkeeping and tax return
BEWARE!!This is not a comprehensivelist, and also requiresa properly drafted Company document!!
Self-Directing Your Retirement Plan for Real Estate: What Can I Really Do?
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For more information, please contact us at:
KYLER KOHLER & OSTERMILLER, LLPTel: 435.586.9366 Fax: 435.586.9491
www.kkolawyers.com