Diocesan Advisory Committee for the Care of...

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The Minutes of the Diocesan Advisory Committee, Meeting no. 301, held from 2:00pmon Tuesday, 14 October 2014, at the site of WARD END, St Margaret, Saint MargaretsRoad (by Church Walk and Over Pool Road), B8 2BA.

Adrian Mann, DAC Secretary(0121-426 0405; [email protected])

DAC302.2

Diocesan Advisory Committeefor the Care of Churches

301.1 PROGRAMME OF BUSINESS ... was agreed, with these alterations:

Mr Tim Bridges (National Amenity Societies' nominee)Mr Eamon Mooney (Health, Safety and Disabilities Consultant)

Mr Harry Rawlings (Electrical Engineer)Mr Brough Skingley (Mechanical and Electrical Engineer)

Members and Advisers PRESENT (15)

Members' APOLOGIES (or absence)

Mr Adrian Mann (Secretary to the DAC)

IN ATTENDANCE

301.3 INFORMATION casework itemsPaper DAC301.3 (blue) had been circulated: minutes herewith.

301.4 ADVICE casework itemsPaper DAC301.4 (green) had been circulated: minutes herewith.

301.5 PETITION casework itemsPaper DAC301.5 (pink) had been circulated: minutes herewith.

301.3.7 [P1650] Castle Bromwich, St Mary and St Margaret; 301.4.15 [R3042]Packwood, St Giles; 301.4.16 [R3043] Wylde Green, Emmanuel; 301.4.17 [P2869]Moseley, St Mary; 301.4.18 [R3044] Hall Green, Church of the Ascension; 301.5.16[P2990] Moseley, St Mary; 301.6.d The future structure of English Heritage

301.2 MINUTES ... of the Meeting held 2 September 2014 were agreed as a correct record andsigned by the Chair of that Meeting, without amendment.

Dr Jim Berrow (Chair, appointed by Bishop David)The Ven. Hayward Osborne (ex-officio, Archdeacon of Birmingham)

Ms Sarah Baldwin (Architect)Mr Graeme Beamish (Architect)

Mr Ross Brazier (English Heritage nominee)Mr Derek Clarke (Architect)

The Revd Oliver Coss (Diocesan Synod nominee)Ms Helen Ellison (Local Government Association nominee)

Mr Christopher Hargreaves (Planner)Dr Mike Hodder (Archaeologist)

Mr Robin Hurley (Architect)Mrs Merryn Lloyd (Craft Designer)

Mr Stephen Oliver (Architect)Mr Charles Shapcott (Structural Engineer)

Birmingham DAC301 Minutes continued/…

a) Membership: Dr Berrow reported that he had met with the Revd Rebecca Clarke (Vicarat Immanuel, Highters Heath) and that she was interested in joining the DAC as one ofthe two members from the Diocesan Synod. He looked forward to welcoming the RevdSimon Heathfield to the DAC on 9-Dec as the new Archdeacon of Aston, following hisInstallation at Birmingham Cathedral at 3:30pm on 16-Nov. Dr Berrow noted that MrRawlings, who had been admitted to hospital during August, had returned home and wasfeeling much better. He extended the DAC's best wishes and hoped to see Mr Rawlingsagain, in the near future.

The Committee ENDORSED the appointment of the Revd Rebecca Clarke to the DAC tothe Bishop's Council.

b) New Chair of the Church Buildings Council: Dr Berrow reported that the Rt Hon. SirTony Baldry MP would become the new Chair of the CBC from Apr-15.

The Committee NOTED the position.

c) DAC National Conference 2014: Mr Hargreaves reported that the DAC's 2014 nationalconference in Norwich had been well-organised and informative, with a major focus onthe challenges of managing and developing additional uses for medieval churches.


d) The future structure of English Heritage: Mr Brazier reported that, from Apr-15, a newcharity (retaining the name of 'English Heritage') would run the National HeritageCollection of historic properties. He explained that another non-departmental public body,called 'Historic England', would be dedicated to advising on the maintenance anddevelopment of the wider historic environment.


DAC301.7 MEETING DATES 2014

1. Tuesday 9th December at 10:30am

DAC301.8 MEETING DATES 2015

1. Tuesday 20th January at 2:00pm2. Tuesday 17th March at 2:00pm3. Tuesday 12th May at 2:00pm4. Tuesday 30th June at 2:00pm5. Tuesday 1st September at 2:00pm6. Tuesday 13th October at 2:00pm7. Tuesday 8th December at 10:30am

There being no further business, the Chair closed the meeting at : 4:52 pm

301.6 NON-CASEWORK BUSINESS

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Built=1200 implies mediæval origins; SoS is Statemt. of Signif.; ...involvt quantifies inspector’s role; QIR is latest Quinq. Insp. Rpt.; List includesConserv. Area status (Sites & Mon. ref. below); Mtgs. shows times case has arisen; Amen. indicates likely interest of Nat. Amenity Socs.

Birmingham DAC MINUTES Info/Ratif. items

The DAC noted that the Church Buildings Council had written to say that it would visit the church to advise onthe proposals to install a new organ as part of the major reordering project, and that the parish was alsoseeking input from English Heritage, the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings and the VictorianSociety.


301.3.1 SUTTON COLDFIELD, Holy Trinity

1200/1929

Built/modifiedResolveStat.

BatemanCE/BidlakeWH

Original architect Inspector & involvmentArchdeaconryLocal Authority

1/CA

List/CASMR

To install a new church organ

650

Seats

Aug-10

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City1060412190/296283

TASBrownhillP NoneYes

SoS

4

Aston

GridRef:

B72 1SD

P2934

The DAC noted that the parish was approaching needed external masonry works and the improvement ofdrainage around the church, and that an initial specification was expected in due course.


301.3.2 MIDDLETON, St John the Baptist

1200


UNKNOWN


2*/CA

List/CASMR

To carry out masonry repairs and improve drainage

200

Seats

Nov-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Warwickshire116417683/298345

ASBrownhillP Advsg

SoS

2

Aston

GridRef:

B78 2AN

R3030

The DAC noted that the parish was approaching needed external masonry works and the improvement ofdrainage around the church, and that an initial specification was expected in due course.


301.3.3 WARD END, St Margaret

1517/1834


BondT


2

List/CASMR

To buy new furnishings and dispose of old items

200

Seats

Jul-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Birm. City1293411362/288643

GASClewsM Engd

SoS

3

Aston

GridRef:

B8 2BA

P3001

The DAC noted that the Church Buildings Council had written to say that it would visit the church to advise onthe proposals to carry out a minor reordering and add a small extension to the church building, and that theparish should also seek input from English Heritage, the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings, theAncient Monument Society and the Victorian Society.


301.3.4 GRENDON, All Saints

1200/1845


HusseyRC


2*

List/CASMR

To add toilets, a servery and a community space

120

Seats

Aug-09

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VASBrownhillP Engd

SoS

15

Aston

GridRef:

CV9 3DP

P2677

The DAC noted that the parish was approaching the repair of two windows that had suffered serious damagefrom vandalism and that an initial specification was expected in due course.


301.3.5 NEWTON REGIS, St Mary the Virgin

1200/1900


UNKNOWN


2*/CA

List/CASMR

To repair vandalised church windows

160

Seats

Sep-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VASThomasC Engd

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B79 0NG

R3033

The DAC noted that the parish was approaching urgent masonry repair works to the church tower and that aninitial specification was expected in due course.


301.3.6 KNOWLE, St John Baptist and SS Lawrence & Anne

1403


UNKNOWN


1/CA

List/CASMR

To repair the tower masonry

370

Seats

Apr-14

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull276418240/276734

ASEvansM AdvsgYes

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B93 0LN

R3041

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The DAC noted that repairs had been carried out to the church's south porch, which had been exposedfollowing the demolition of the old church vestry, and that details of the restoration works carried out wereexpected in due course.


301.3.7 CASTLE BROMWICH, SS Mary & Margaret

1726


White


1/CA

List/CASMR

To replace the existing vestry ('The Foden Room')

230

Seats

Oct-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Solihull414249/289859

GBrookesA NoneYes

SoS

43

Aston

GridRef:

B36 9DE

P1650

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Birmingham DAC MINUTES Advice items

Archdeacon Osborne reported that the food bank container, placed outside the church's east end followingthe grant of planning permission, was a very positive community resource and a temporary installation only.He noted that the parish should submit an application for retrospective Faculty approval as soon aspracticable. Dr Berrow wondered whether, ultimately, there would be an opportunity to establish a food backinside the church building in the community section, as a permanent feature.


301.4.1 STECHFORD, All Saints

1898


ChatwinJA


List/CASMR

To set up a food bank in the churchyard

300

Seats

Apr-09

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City412753/287153

VPotterM None

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B33 8UA

R3038

Mr Brazier reported that the English Heritage buildings inspector for the area had been in touch with theparish to seek further details on the proposed bell frame replacement project, to assess the full impact uponthe historic tower fabric such as the floors. Mr Shapcott reported that he was satisfied that the proposedframe would not have a negative structural impact upon the tower. Mr Stubbs reported, in writing, that hesupported the proposals relating to the bells.

The Committee ENDORSED paper DAC301.4.2 and NOTED the position.

301.4.2 CASTLE BROMWICH, SS Mary & Margaret

1726


White


1/CA

List/CASMR

To replace the tower bell frame

230

Seats

Oct-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull414249/289859

GBrookesA NoneYes

SoS

3

Aston

GridRef:

B36 9DE

R2984

Mr Hurley reported that the parish was at an early stage in considering a community extension to the churchbuilding and that he had produced a paper to highlight the detail that it would need to draw up. He notedthat there was an area of land in the north-west corner of the church site that could also be used fordevelopment purposes.


301.4.3 CASTLE BROMWICH, St Clement [of Alexandria]

1968


UNKNOWN


List/CASMR

To extend the church building

200

Seats

Jul-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


THarrisonL Engd

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B36 0BY

R3032

Dr Berrow reported that he had visited the church with Mr Skingley on 6-Oct to discuss the heating of theNorman chapel, which served as the church hall and community centre. Mr Skingley explained, on site, thatthe parish should review its energy tariff and service provider for both the church and chapel, and that thiscould result in some immediate savings in the electricity bills. He advised that such a review should be carriedout on an annual basis.

Mr Skingley observed that the current heating system in the chapel constituted a number of heat lampshanging from the roof beams. He noted that these produced only direct heat when switched on, which wouldresult in a high energy cost that should at least be covered by the rental fee for non-church users of theroom.

Mr Skingley commented that, as the lowest capital cost solution, the parish could have the heat lampsserviced to replace any failed elements and clean the reflectors. He suggested that another low-capitalsolution would be to remove the heat lamps and install four free-standing, oil-filled electric heaters, to replacetwo wall-mounted storage heaters. Mr Skingley noted that the existing storage heaters might containasbestos, so appropriate precautions should be taken in their removal, if this was so.

Mr Skingley explained that, in the context of long-term sustainability, the parish could consider the installationof a biomass boiler or a ground source heat pump in the church grounds, to provide heating for both thechurch and the chapel. He observed that this would require much greater initial expenditure, including asensitive approach to likely archaeological issues, but noted that the daily cost of the energy itself would bereduced greatly.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Skingley's advice and NOTED the position.

301.4.4 DOSTHILL, St Paul

1872


HolmesE


2/CA

List/CASMR

To install heating to the Norman Chapel

120

Seats

Feb-14

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Tamworth421219/299839

VDuckhamD None

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B77 1LU

R3031

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Mr Bradnock reported, in writing, that he was satisfied with the repair works proposed to the church'smemorial clock. He felt that the suggested auto-winding system was reversible and would not alter orcompromise the integrity of the clock movement.

The Committee DISCHARGED the case.

301.4.5 AUSTREY, St Nicholas

1200


UNKNOWN


2*

List/CASMR

To repair the church memorial clock

170

Seats

Apr-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


ASThomasC Engd

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

CV9 3EE

R3034

Mr Shapcott reported that the parish's building inspection report of 2011 had identified a number of necessaryrepairs and improvements to the church tower. He observed that a builder's estimate had been obtained, butthat a full specification for the work had not yet been produced. Mr Shapcott observed that the church was ahighly-listed building in a conservation area and felt that an architect should be approached to draw up a fullspecification for the works to be undertaken and the materials to be used, before the parish made anapplication for Faculty approval.


301.4.6 BARSTON, St Swithin

1721/1899


UNKNOWN


2*/CA

List/CASMR

To repair the tower fabric and improve access

120

Seats

Oct-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull73420742/278011

VGPotterM None

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B92 0JU

R3036

Mr Hargreaves reported that the temporary fence looked acceptable as a screen to the proposed children'sarea and noted that its installation may require planning permission from the local authority. Mr Beamishobserved that he would have preferred to see black cable ties, rather than white, used to attach the screen tothe dark railings. Dr Berrow commented that the fence might not be very durable in the long term andsuggested that the parish could be in touch to discuss a more hardy permanent construction with MrBeamish.


301.4.7 HANDSWORTH, St Michael

1855


BourneW


2/CA

List/CASMR

To create a children's play area in the churchyard

350

Seats

May-07

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VBrownhillP NoneYes

SoS

3

Birmingham

GridRef:

B18 5LB

P3026

Mr Bridges reported, in writing, that he had visited the church on 30-Sep to discuss the future location of anumber of its contents, following the building's closure as a place of Anglican worship. He recommended thatall the fixtures, such as the pews, stalls, organ, communion rails, altar table, reredos, font and pulpit shouldstay in the church. He observed that it would be suitable for the war memorials to be moved to the newparish centre for worship next door, in addition to a number of sundry portable items such as hymn boards,with the exception of the First World War plaque and accompanying display case in the Lady Chapel, whichhe felt should stay in its current location and be monitored and visited on an annual basis.

Mr Bridges noted that the eagle lectern and rostrum should be kept together and that it would be appropriateto transfer these to the neighbouring church of St Michael, Handsworth. He advised that specific covenantsshould be put in place for the conservation of the fresco by W.J. Neatby on the south wall. Mr Bridges wasvery concerned by the damage to the brickwork at the west end of the church by the fitting of inappropriateand unauthorised electrical cabling by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church and hoped that appropriateoversight would be exercised on fabric matters by the Diocese, during the leasing period of the building. MrBridges explained that the church plate included a number of fine pieces and that it should be storedappropriately in a secure location.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Bridges' advice and NOTED the position.

301.4.8 BIRMINGHAM, Bishop Latimer (LEP)

1903


BidlakeWH


2*

List/CASMR

To close the church for regular public worship

1000

Seats

Aug-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City404185/288791

VThomasC NoneYes

SoS

4

Birmingham

GridRef:

B18 4QD

R2581



Ms Baldwin reported that the parish proposed to introduce some portable emergency lighting units for useduring concerts. She noted that the parish could also mount two small hooks above the main west entranceand south aisle door, which could be used to hang battery-powered LED exit signs during events. Mr Skingleyreported, in writing, that the parish should ensure that the all the equipment had the battery capacity to stayilluminated for at least 3 hours and should be kept fully charged when not in use. Mr Clarke noted that heparish should ensure that any portable emergency lighting and signs were satisfactory to the church's insurer.

The Committee DISCHARGED the case.

301.4.9 COFTON HACKETT AND BARNT GREEN, St Andrew

1910/1913


DixonAS


2

List/CASMR

To install emergency exit lights

180

Seats

Sep-09

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Bromsgrove400912/273581

VMottersheadF NoneYes

SoS

3

Birmingham

GridRef:

B45 8NR

R3027

Mr Clarke reported that the newly reordered church baptistery was the main entrance to the building and avery important space. He was glad to see proposals for it to be re-lit, but felt that the parish would need toprovide a drawing showing the lighting layout and design before seeking Faculty approval for the work.


301.4.10 BEARWOOD, St Mary the Virgin

1888


ChatwinJA


List/CASMR

To reorder the baptistery

300

Seats

Jun-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Sandwell402130/286405

VPotterM Engd

SoS

3

Birmingham

GridRef:

B66 4BQ

P2913

Dr Hodder reported that the parish was preparing to engage an archaeologist to carry out the observationworks required as part of the major churchyard redevelopment project and that he had drafted a possiblebrief for the parish's consideration.

The Committee ENDORSED paper DAC301.4.11 and DISCHARGED the proviso to its recommendation ofthe petition.

301.4.11 MOSELEY, St Mary

1496/1910


Rickman/ChatwinJA


2/CA

List/CASMR

To carry out a major churchyard redevelopment

400

Seats

Sep-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VASPotterM NoneYes

SoS

6

Birmingham

GridRef:

B13 8HW

P2824

Mr Hurley reported that the primary proviso to the Chancellor's grant of Faculty on 16-Jul-13 for the phase 1reordering work to the church was that "All final material[s,] finishes and colours be specified fully anddemonstrated on sample [panels] and agreed with the DAC." He observed that the DAC had been informedthat a sample panel was available for viewing on 18-Aug and, as such, the first opportunity that thecommittee had to discharge this proviso was at its meeting of 2-Sep (though work on phase 1 had started on30-Jun). Mr Hurley commented that planning approval by the local authority did not discharge provisos toFaculty permission and that the Faculty could not be considered active until its stipulated provisos were met.

Mr Oliver reported that the mortared stonework had not yet been demonstrated on site and Mr Hurley wasconcerned that reconstituted, rather than natural, stone was to be used. He recommended that a solution tothese issues might be sought at the coming site visit to the church on 17-Oct.


301.4.12 SELLY PARK, St Stephen

1871


Martin/Chamberlain


2/CA

List/CASMR

To carry out a major reordering (phase 1)

250

Seats

Jun-10

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VBellJ Engd

SoS

24

Birmingham

GridRef:

B29 7HU

P1979

Mr Hargreaves reported that he had visited the church on 22-Sep to offer advice on proposals for relightingthe porch. He explained that he would return there shortly to view a new sample lantern and discuss thedimensions, colour and layout of the suggested spotlights.


301.4.13 SALTER STREET, St Patrick

1839/1899


BidlakeWH


2*

List/CASMR

To relight the church porch

200

Seats

May-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull201412276/274891

VGCrookR None

SoS

3

Birmingham

GridRef:

B94 6DE

R3023



Mr Hargreaves reported that he had visited the church to discuss the improvement of security measures forthe churchyard equipment store. He felt that, as the shed was inside the grounds of a grade 1 listed churchand within a conservation area, it would be difficult to establish a satisfactory brick structure or install a steelcontainer. Mr Hargreaves suggested that, as the main heritage consideration was the external appearance ofthe shed, the parish could construct a wooden structure, lined on the inside with bricks or breeze blocks.

Mrs Lloyd queried whether a green steel shed might be suitable, if it could be placed to be as unobtrusive aspossible and so have a limited impact on the aesthetic setting of the church and churchyard. Mr Clarkewondered whether the brick structure behind the existing shed was part of the churchyard and if it might bea possible place of storage for the church's equipment.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Hargreaves' advice and NOTED the position.

301.4.14 TANWORTH-IN-ARDEN, St Mary [Magdalene]

1330/1880


UNKNOWN


1/CA

List/CASMR

To improve the security of the churchyard shed

230

Seats

Apr-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Stratford992411346/270510

VASListerP None

SoS

1

Birmingham

GridRef:

B94 5AL

R3037

Dr Berrow reported that the parish had been in touch to seek advice about the repair or replacement of itsorgan and that he had been invited to the church on 15-Oct to discuss some proposals.


301.4.15 PACKWOOD, St Giles

1200


UNKNOWN


2*

List/CASMR

To repair the church organ

100

Seats

Feb-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


ASOliverS None

SoS

1

Birmingham

GridRef:

B94 6PU

R3042

Mr Clarke and Mrs Lloyd reported that the proposals for a vellum war memorial in a wooden frame were goodand that the work of The Birmingham Scribe seemed to be of a high quality. Mr Clarke advised that sometechnical information would be required in support of an application for Faculty, such as the material,dimensions and finish for the frame, and a concept design for the calligraphy. Mrs Lloyd observed that theproposed mounting space did appear a little crowded, located between an existing memorial and flag on oneside and a Station of the Cross on the other. She noted that she could visit the church to discuss theproposals further, if the parish would find this helpful.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Clarke's and Mrs Lloyd's advice and NOTED the position.

301.4.16 WYLDE GREEN, Emmanuel

1909/1967


BidlakeWH


2*

List/CASMR

To install a new war memorial

320

Seats

Jul-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City1057411824/293359

TVFisherK None

SoS

2

Aston

GridRef:

B72 1DP

R3043

Mr Clarke reported that he was satisfied with the proposed four CCTV signs' locations and fixing methods, butnoted that he would much prefer the notices to be A5 in size rather than A4. He suggested that scaling downthe size could be achieved by removing 'St Mary's Moseley' from the top, which did not seem to be requiredas the 'Church Office' phone number was advertised at the bottom of the sign.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Clarke's advice and NOTED the position.


1496/1910


Rickman/ChatwinJA


2/CA

List/CASMR

To install internal and external CCTV cameras

400

Seats

Sep-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VASPotterM EngdYes

SoS

8

Birmingham

GridRef:

B13 8HW

P2869

Archdeacon Osborne reported that a plaque in the churchyard identifying the area for cremated remains wasmounted on a post set in the ground and was often subject to vandalism. He explained that the parish hopedto attach the plaque to the nearby exterior wall of the church. Mr Oliver advised that, to mount the plaque inthis location, it should be set on an oak backing board so that all the fixings could be made into the mortarjoints.

The Committee ENDORSED Mr Oliver's advice and DISCHARGED the case.

301.4.18 HALL GREEN [ASCENSION], Church of theAscension

1704/1860


WilsonW


2*

List/CASMR

To mount a plaque on the church wall

400

Seats

Jul-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City1327410991/281792

VGASThomasC None

SoS

2

Birmingham

GridRef:

B28 8JD

R3044



Birmingham DAC MINUTES Petition items

Mr Rawlings reported, in writing, that he was satisfied with the parish's proposals for repair and improvementworks to the church's electrical system.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the retrospective petition, without proviso.

301.5.1 CASTLE VALE, St Cuthbert of Lindisfarne

1972


OsborneJP


List/CASMR

To rewire the church electrical system

120

Seats

Oct-10

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


TMottersheadF None

SoS

2

Aston

GridRef:

B35 7PL

P3019

Dr Berrow reported that, to come to a fully informed view on the parish's proposals to dispose permanently ofitems of furniture present previously in the chancel, the DAC needed to see a good quality picture of anexample of each type of furnishing and some explanation of its significance as part of the church and itschancel space. Mr Bridges reported, in writing, that he felt that the openwork stall frontals should be retained.He advised that he parish also seek the advice of the Twentieth Century Society on its proposals. Dr Berrowsuggested that, to move this case forward, he visited the church with Mr Brazier and Mr Bridges.

The Committee DEFERRED resolution of the petition, pending a DAC site visit to the church to discuss thechancel furnishings.

301.5.2 SUTTON COLDFIELD, St Chad

1926


BatemanCE


2

List/CASMR

To dispose of chancel choir stalls

207

Seats

Jul-06

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


TBateD None

SoS

2

Aston

GridRef:

B75 7SF

P3014

Mr Hurley reported that the parish had proposed a good installation for a new memorial plaque, but that it didnot yet have a completed lettering layout and design. He explained that he had spoken to the memorial'ssponsor, who was seeking a new letter-cutter, as the initial mason had needed to withdraw from the projectdue to a personal bereavement. Mr Hargreaves noted that William Parratt Stone Masons(www.williamparrat.co.uk) had done high-quality letter-cutting for a war memorial at St Peter, Harborne.

The Committee ENDORSED paper DAC301.5.3 and DEFERRED resolution of the petition, pending theproduction of a final lettering layout and design.

301.5.3 WYLDE GREEN, Emmanuel

1909/1967


BidlakeWH


2*

List/CASMR

To install a memorial plaque in the Lady Chapel

320

Seats

Jul-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City1057411824/293359

TVFisherK None

SoS

4

Aston

GridRef:

B72 1DP

P2994

Mr Hargreaves reported that the parish was concerned for the safety of elderly members of the congregationwhen accessing the chancel, which required mounting a couple of steps. He explained that the parishproposed to install a handrail at the north and south end of the steps, to improve access. Mr Hargreavesobserved that these new rails would be to the same design as to that leading up to the pulpit. Mr Hargreavesnoted that the parish would need to explain how the rails would be fixed into the stone steps and the exactpositions where the fixings would be made.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, provided that the parish identified the exact fixing location forthe new handrails and explained the fixing method, for agreement by the DAC.

301.5.4 GARRETTS GREEN, St Thomas

1960


WinteringhamG


List/CASMR

To install handrails at the chancel steps

380

Seats

May-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


TPotterM None

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B26 2SH

P3035

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Dr Berrow reported that he had visited the church with Mr Beamish to discuss possible mounting locations fora new AV screen in the chancel. He advised that any installation should not be attached to or cover theBateman vaulting, which he felt to be very significant. Mr Beamish reported that further details of the screenplacement had been received immediately before DAC301, which proposed that it would be mounted on theinside wall of the chancel arch. He explained that the hinge would be located 8' above the floor and thecasing would hang down vertically from the hinge when not in use. Mr Beamish commented that the casingwould be pulled up to the horizontal using a line through a pulley mounted 16' above the floor and that thescreen would then be lifted using a line through a second pulley. He noted that the projector would belocated on a small portable trolley, removed when not in use.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, provided that the parish submitted full technical details for themounting equipment, for agreement by the DAC.

301.5.5 WATER ORTON, SS Peter & Paul

1879


BatemanCE/CorserB


2/CA

List/CASMR

To install a new AV screen

150

Seats

Oct-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Warwickshire40417701/291096

VMathiasA None

SoS

3

Aston

GridRef:

B46 1QT

P3013

Dr Hodder reported that he was satisfied with the parish's proposals for the installation of a new undergrounddrainpipe in the churchyard. He observed that the parish should supply the full report of the archaeologistwho carried out the required observations during the work.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the retrospective petition, provided that the parish submitted thearchaeologist's report on the works to the DAC.

301.5.6 BARSTON, St Swithin

1721/1899


UNKNOWN


2*/CA

List/CASMR

To install a new drain pipe in the churchyard

120

Seats

Oct-11

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Solihull73420742/278011

VGPotterM Advsg

SoS

5

Aston

GridRef:

B92 0JU

P2932

Dr Berrow reported that the parish had been granted an emergency licence by the Chancellor on 25-Jul-12 forthe installation of GRP rainwater goods on a temporary basis, to replace stolen lead, and that the parish nowsought "Permanent permission to the continued use of the existing GRP gutters and downpipes fitted to theunadorned north aisle side of the church." He noted that the DAC had been asked to consider thisreplacement of the stolen lead rainwater goods with GRP at its meeting of 19-Jun-12 and had recommendedcast iron as a more appropriate lead alternative to GRP, in the context of a historic grade 1 listed church in aconservation area.

Mr Brazier reported that English Heritage did not support the installation of GRP on the building for thereasons set out in its letter of 12-Jun-13 to the local planning authority. Ms Ellison reported that SolihullMetropolitan Borough Council had declined to grant planning permission for the installation of GRP for thereasons set out in its full planning decision notice of 28-Jun-13, and that the parish had not appealed againstthe decision in the statutory time window. Dr Berrow explained that the DAC had sought the input of thenational Church Buildings Council, which advised that "The use of GRP rainwater goods on a Grade I Listedbuilding in a conservation area is contrary to current good practice for all listed buildings (ecclesiastical andsecular). The Council did not consider that it could relax its advice against GRP on highly listed buildings onthis occasion." He also noted that the Birmingham DAC had been in touch with others DACs cited in theparish's paper of 15-Dec-13 for their comment, and had reviewed the 11-Aug-14 written judgement ofChancellor Eyre on a case regarding the replacement of lead with GRP on a highly-listed building in theDiocese of Coventry.

The DAC concluded that, after considering the details provided by the parish and the advice given by theother consultees in this case, it could not endorse the permanent installation of GRP rainwater goods on thechurch because it was not able to reconcile the proposals with the current best practice and conservationpolicy for listed buildings. It felt that, in the circumstances, the installation of cast iron would constitute amore suitable long-term replacement solution for the stolen rainwater goods. The DAC appreciated theparish's fear that any metal was at risk of theft, but could only note that page 8 of the parish's reportedidentified 1 tonne of cast iron as having a value of 38% of a tonne of lead, that the inflexibility of cast ironmade it more difficult to steal and carry away than lead, that it was not aware of any recorded theft of castiron from a Diocese of Birmingham church building from 4-Jan-07 to the present, and that cast iron had beeninstalled successfully as an alternative to lead on at least two Diocese of Birmingham grade 1 listed churches.

The Committee DID NOT RECOMMEND the petition.


1403


UNKNOWN


1/CA

List/CASMR

To install glass-reinforced plastic rainwater goods

370

Seats

Apr-14

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Not recommend Solihull276418240/276734

ASEvansM NoneYes

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B93 0LN

P3039



Mr Brazier and Mr Oliver reported that the parish proposed to replace the carpets that were laid in a numberof locations in the church. They suggested that, to help the DAC bring this case to a conclusion, they visitedthe church to view the samples of the carpet in context and establish any possible impact upon the floor.

The Committee DEFERRED resolution of the petition, pending a visit to the church by Mr Brazier and MrOliver to view the carpet samples and confirm the fixing method.


1403


UNKNOWN


1/CA

List/CASMR

To replace the church carpets

370

Seats

Apr-14

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull276418240/276734

ASEvansM NoneYes

SoS

1

Aston

GridRef:

B93 0LN

P3040

Mr Brazier reported that, in light of the strong presumption against the sale of church treasures in the ChurchBuildings Council's (CBC) national guidance, the parish should find and engage an appropriate specialist toassess the importance of the plate (some of which was mentioned in Pevsner) and its historic association withthe church and the Solihull area. He explained that, in essence, the parish needed to draw up a clearStatement of Significance for the silver to establish a justification for its disposal. Dr Berrow suggested that itmight help in moving the case forward if the DAC referred the proposals for a view from the CBC, directly.

The Committee DEFERRED resolution of the petition, pending the findings of an independent historicappraisal report on the church silverware.

301.5.9 SOLIHULL, St Alphege

1120


UNKNOWN


1/CA

List/CASMR

To dispose of surplus church silver

400

Seats

Jun-10

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Solihull306415335/279288

ASMatthewsS None

SoS

2

Aston

GridRef:

B91 3RQ

P3006

Fr Oliver reported that he was satisfied with the parish's proposals to mount two memorial banners in thechurch. He commented that the means of fixing the mounting brackets into the building fabric should beconfirmed.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, provided that the parish submitted the details of the proposedfixing method of the mounting brackets, for agreement by the DAC.

301.5.10 EDGBASTON, St Augustine of Hippo

1868


ChatwinJA


2*/CA

List/CASMR

To reinstate a Union Flag and a White Ensign

600

Seats

Feb-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VEvansMYes

SoS

2

Birmingham

GridRef:

B16 9JN

P3029

Mr Oliver reported that he was satisfied with the parish's current carpet sample for the covering of thechancel, which no longer had a complete latex backing or an underlay. He advised that the carpet beattached only to joints in the floor and that no general adhesive be used. Mr Oliver recommended that awooden edge be installed for fixing where it was not possible to anchor the carpet to joints.

Mr Oliver explained that the parish wished to remove the lectern and its rail and he noted that the lecterncolumn was unstable and needed repair. Mr Brazier observed that the pulpit would remain at the other side ofthe chancel. He commented that the rails were a fine piece of stonework that brought symmetry to thechancel and he felt that, ultimately, the small amount of space gained by the removal of these rails did notjustify the loss of architectural symmetry and value to the church's east end. He suggested that, as such, onlythe lectern column itself be removed and placed, carefully, into storage.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, provided that: 1) the carpet installed did not have a completelatex backing, was not adhered to the floor tiles and the fixing method did not damage the floor; and 2) thestone rail around the lectern was not removed.

301.5.11 EDGBASTON, St Germain

1915/1917


ReynoldsEF


2

List/CASMR

To reorder the chancel

670

Seats

Dec-09

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


TPotterM None

SoS

6

Birmingham

GridRef:

B16 0NB

P2948

Mr Hargreaves and Mrs Lloyd declared an interest as members of the church. Mr Bridges reported, in writing,that he was satisfied with the parish's proposals to install runners on a number of the church's pew.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, without proviso.

301.5.12 HARBORNE, St Peter

1200/1867


ThomasonY


2/CA

List/CASMR

To install new pew runners

300

Seats

Apr-13

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.


VASThomasC None

SoS

1

Birmingham

GridRef:

B17 0BB

P3028



Ms Baldwin reported that she had visited the church and was satisfied with the parish's proposals to install anew screen and projector.

The Committee RECOMMENDED the petition, without proviso.

301.5.13 COFTON HACKETT AND BARNT GREEN, St Andrew

1910/1913


DixonAS


2

List/CASMR

To improve the church AV system

180

Seats

Sep-09

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Recommend Bromsgrove400912/273581

VMottersheadF NoneYes

SoS

2

Birmingham

GridRef:

B45 8NR

P3025

Mr Oliver reported that a DAC sub-group would visit the church on 17-Oct to discuss the phase 2 internalreordering proposals, in advance of an upcoming application for Faculty. He noted that the suggestedcleaning of the brick walls was a much more positive and appropriate solution than the full internal renderingproposed initially.


301.5.14 SELLY PARK, St Stephen

1871


Martin/Chamberlain


2/CA

List/CASMR

To carry out a major reordering (phase 2)

250

Seats

Jun-10

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City405321/282834

VBellJ Engd

SoS

7

Birmingham

GridRef:

B29 7HU

P2827

Dr Berrow reported that the Church Buildings Council (CBC) had reviewed the parish's proposals for acomplete clearing of the church site followed by a new build and advised that, although it would regret theloss of the chancel and Lady Chapel and hoped that they could be retained, it would not object to theproposed demolition. Mr Brazier echoed the sentiment of the CBC and felt that it was a great shame to losethe original building.

Mr Hurley reported that he was glad the roof tiles were no longer concrete, but he still suggested a roof pitchof 47.5º rather than 45º, in order to minimise the possibility of water ingress. Mr Oliver felt that the lobbywas still too constricted for a ceremonial entrance and that it would be difficult to turn a coffin the spaceavailable.

Mr Waddell reported, in writing, that the junction of the bound gravel path (leading from the existingpedestrian access at the south corner off Manor Road on drawing LA/WS/L/90/01) did not seem to connectwell with the proposed herringbone and concrete slab paving and suggested that the path was altered fromthe proposed curve to align its west edge with the south corner of the herringbone paving. He suggested thata new hedge be panted on the western boundary line, rather than an existing hedge being relocated there,and noted that the removal of tree T26 needed to be illustrated on drawing LA/WS/L/90/02. Mr Waddell feltthat the recommendations in the Arboricultural Assessment and the Preliminary Ecological Assessment wereacceptable.

Dr Berrow recommended that the parish draw up a full picture inventory of the contents and important fabricof the current church building and identified which would be retained in the new building and which would bedisposed of. He felt that these proposals should then be submitted to the Bishop for his agreement, as wouldbe the case for a church demolished under the Pastoral Measure 2011. Dr Berrow noted that a furtherapplication for Faculty should be made, when appropriate, for the furnishing of the proposed new worshipspace.

The DAC regretted the loss of the original fabric of the church building but felt that, ultimately, the parish wasclear in its proposals for meeting its future needs and had made its case.

The Committee RAISED NO OBJECTION to the petition, provided that the parish produced a full pictureinventory of the contents and important fabric of the current church building and identified which items wouldbe retained in the new building and which would be disposed of, for agreement by the Bishop, followingconsultation with the DAC.

301.5.15 DORRIDGE, St Philip

1878/1897


Payne/ChatwinJA


List/CASMR

To demolish and redevelop the church building

250

Seats

Nov-08

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Unoppose Solihull416762/274982

VChristophersJ Engd

SoS

13

Birmingham

GridRef:

B93 8DX

P1931



Mr Hurley reported that the parish proposed to install new lighting in the bell-ringing chamber at the base ofthe tower, which was a quiet, original part of the church constructed in around 1500 and was possibly thefirst part to be built in brick and faced with stone. He observed that the brickwork was of some architecturalmerit, so the means of making any fixings must be specified clearly. He advised that, to due the historicsensitivity of the space, full drawings showing the lighting design, layout, cable runs and other associatedinstallations should be produced. Mr Hurley hoped that it would be possible to avoid light shining out of theringing area and into the chancel.

The Committee DEFERRED resolution of the petition, pending the drawing up by the parish of the fulllighting design and specification.


1496/1910


Rickman/ChatwinJA


2/CA

List/CASMR

To upgrade the ringing chamber lighting

400

Seats

Sep-12

QIR

Amen.Mtgs.

Birm. City1309407803/283170

VASPotterM NoneYes

SoS

2

Birmingham

GridRef:

B13 8HW

P2990


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