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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

f o r t h eSOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA MIAMI DIVISION

C i v i l A c t i o n F i l e No. 7 6 - 1 2 5 2 - C i v - P P

E . HOWARD HUNT, J R . ,

P l a i n t i f f ,

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DEPOSITION OF

PEDRO DIAZ LANZTHE THIRD PRESS--JOSEPH OKPAKU )PUBLISHING CO. IN C . a New York

c o r p o r a t i o n , and JOSEPH OKPAKU,MICHAEL CANFIELD ALAN J . WEBERMAN and MARIA GRACIA FELICIANO

APPEARANCES

D e f e n d a n t s .

350 L i n c o l n Road S u i t e 422Miami Beac h F l o r i d a 33139F r i d a y , 2 : 0 0 p .m .F e b r u a r y 3 1978

MARK J . FRIEDMAN, ESQ.350 L i n c o l n Road

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Thereupon , t h e f o l l o w i n g p r o c e e d i n g was had :

_MR DARRl\CH: B a s i c a l l y , i t i s o u r

u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t , ~ u r s u n tt o my t e l e p h o n e c o n v e r s a -

t i o n w i t h Mr. Fr i edman a c o u p l e o f weeks ago , i t was

ag reed t h a t Mr. Pedro Diaz • L . ~ n zw;ould · a p p e a r a t t h i s

d e p o s i t i o n f o r l i m i t e d p u r p s ~ sori.i:i'.: ·

S p e . c i f i c a l l y ,: i t ~ a s ·a g r e e d · t h a t :Pedro

O az Lanz would . answer t h e fo l . l owing g u e s t i o · n s ", . - ... ,_ . c ; ' ;

Do you know .Mr. E • Howard Hunt ; i f s o ,

where and when?"

Do you know F r a n k S t u r g i s ; i f s o ,

where and when?"

. .Have you e v e r seen Mr. Hunt and F r a n k

S t u r g i s - t o g e t h e r ; i f _ s o , where and w h e n

• do n o t i n t e n d t o answer a n t q u e s -

t i o n s beyond t h e scope o f t h e s e q u e s t i o n s , i n a c c o r d

ance w i t h o u r ag reemen t between my o f f i c e and Mr.

F r i e d m a n ' s o f f i c e , and based on t h e f a c t t h a t any

o t h e r q u e s t i o n s a r e i r r e l e v a n t and an answer would r e -

q u i r e a C o u r t o r d e r .

MR FRIEDMAN: I i n d i c a t e d t h a t we were.

n o t a c c u s i n g Pedro l a ~ Lanz o f b e i n g i n o a l l a s on

November 22nd i n c o n j u n c t i o n w i t h t h e a s s a s s i n a t i o n o f

t h e P r e s i d e n t o f t h e Uni t ed S t a t e s .

At t h e t ime I d i s c u s s e d i t w i t h you and

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subsequen£ t o t h a t t i m e c e r t a i n i n f o r m ~ t i o r icame t o

our a t t e n ti o n w h i c h shou ld a p p e a r i n t h e c o u r t f i l e

i n t h e m a t t e r o f a week o r two , t h a t t h e d e p o s i t i o n

was t a k e n s u b s e q u e n t t d o u r c o n v e r s a t i o n .

However, a t t h i s £ime I would l i k e t o ·~ ·.

- : : - : - : ;:

a s k a few q u e s t i o n s suci\1 ; a s : ,,Wh\; 11 he saw_ them t o -

g a t h e r o r s e p a r a t e l y ? Th,ose a r e some o f tl:le ~ u e s t i o

we would l i k e _ t o a s k .r ,, .•

I f we need t o go f u r t h e r I u ~ d e r s t a

you w i l l o b j e c t and w i l l n o t e _ i t i n t h e r e c o r d . Okay?

MR. DARRACH: Yes , s i r .

MR. FRIEDMAN: F i n e .

WHEREUPON:

PEDRO DIAZ LANZ

was d u l y c a u t i o n e d and sworn , t h e nc a r e f u l l y examined , t e s t i f y i n g uponh i s o a t h a s f o l l o w s :

_DIRECT EXAMINATION

Q (By Mr. Fr iedman When d i d you i r s t

mee t Frank S t u r g i s ?

A when.?. 1957.

Q Where was t h i t ?

A ~ a n t i a g ode u b a ~

Q Did you kno_w him by any o t h e r name?

A Franlc s t u r g i s no_, Prank F i o r i n i .

Q What name .d id S t u r g i s u s e F i o r i n i r

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S t u r g i s , a t t h a t i m e you met him?

A F i o r i n i . A f t e r a l i t t l e w h i l e h e t o l d

me a l s o , h i s r e a l name was S t u r g i s .

Q When d i d you f i r s t see Mr. S t u r g i s w i t h

Mr. Hunt what d a t e ?

A Never.

Q Did Mr. S t u r g i s i n d i c a t e i n 1957 o r a

t i m e s u b s e q u e n t t h a t he had knowledge o f Mr. Hunt?

A No.

QWhen d i d you f i r s t

me.etMr. Hunt?

A Never met him •

Q Did you know Mr. Hunt a s Eduardo o f t h e

Cuban R e v o l u t i o n a r y F r o n t ?

A No s i r .

o· Do you remember t h e g r o u p s o f Cuban

e x i l e s you were. a s s o c i a t e d wit.h? . · . .

a bj e c i i o n .•. . .· · _ j

MR. DARRACH:

Q (By Mr. F r e d m ~ n ).Because o f t h e p r i o r

agreement? · ~ · . ;.

A A c t u a l l y b e c u s ~i t i ~ i r r e l e v a : n t .

I 1R. DARRACH: Let . me j u s t s t i p u l a t e

t h a t a l l o f t h e b a s i s of . t h e o b j e c t i o n o r a g r e e m e n t

was on t h e ground i t was i r r e l e v a n t . So I d o n t n e e d

t o s t a t e t h a t any f u r t h e r .

THE WITNESS: R i g h t .

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Q By Mr. Fr i e d man) I w o u l d a·sk you

whe the r you r b r o t h e r , · i s l i v i n g a t t h i s t i m e so we

c a n s e r v e him w i t h a s ubp o ena?

MR. DARRACH: Same o b j e c t i o n .

Q By Mr. Fr i ed m an) .Did you e v e r s e e. . - i ~

Mr. Hunt o r Mr. S t u r g i s l r i ~ o v e ~ b e ro f ~ 6 3

A No, s i r .

Q i t h e ~i n Mlami o r i n D a l l a s , Texas?• : .

A I s a i d , I n e v e r s e e ~them:

Q We h a v e s u b m i t t e d a l s t o f t h e p r o -

posed q u e s t i o n s , a c o p y o f w h i c h h a s gone t o t h i s

a t t o r n e y .

T h e s e q u e s t i o n s i nvo lve . o t h e r a r e a s .

We would a s k you t o s f i p ~ l a t et h a t t h i s i s . i n f a c t

t h e same l s t I showed you, o f w h i c h you have a x e r o x

o f i t ?

A Yes·, s i r .

MR. DARRACH: Exc u s e me. May I c h e c k

t h a t l a s t page ?

Did you a d d some th ing t o t h a t o r - -

MR. FRIEDMAN: T h a t s why I m a s k i n g ,

I want t o make s u r e .

MR DARRACH: No, t h a t s n o t t h e same.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Th e s e a r e . t h e q u e s t i o n s

we w a n t t o a s k and you a r e r e f u s i n g t o answer them a s

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b e i n g o u t s i d e t h e s c o p e . We i n d i c a t e d t o you t h a t new

. t n f o r m a t i o n s c.ome t o o u r a t t e n t i o n , t o - w i t : M a r i t a

L o r e n s i o n w i l l · b e i n t h e c o u r t f i l e

I THE WITNESS: Did y o u . s t a t e t h a t. I

Z. R, FRIEDMAN: We w i l l p r o b a b l y d r a g

· y o u b a c k w C o u r t Orde r i f t h e j u d g e w i l l g r a n t

I f you w a n t t o a n s w e r t h e m now, t h a t

i s up t o y o u .I

They may o r may n o t a f f e c t y o u . I f you

w a n t t o l o o k t t hem and s e e t h e m , . s e ei f

t h e r e . i sa n y t h i n g . t h e t h a t you ~ n h o n e s t l y t e l l u s

MR. DARRACH: No, I h a v e g o n e o v e r them

on h i s b e h a l a n d t h e r e i s n o t h i n g e l s e t h e r e , n o t h i n g

MR. FRIEDMAN: And I am t e l l i n g you

t h a t new in fn l , .m, . t ion h a s b e e n u n c o v e ~ e ds u b s e q u e n t l y .j ., . . · ·

:i un d e r s t an .d t} : ia t ; bu,l; we

would s t i l l e t o . s t i c k t o ,.

Q (By.Mr. F r i e d m a n ) ·Ydu · have n e v e r · s e e n

Mr. Howard t t hou gh?

A No.

Q You h a v e n e v e r t a l k e d t o him on t h e

t e l e p h o n e ?

A (No ~ e s p o n s e .

Q I. a g a i n a s k t h e q u e s t i o n t h a t was

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be o b j e c t e d t o : Did you, Mr. Lanz , become a c q u a i n t e d

wi.th Manuel. Art me?

MR DARRACH: Same o b j e c t i o n .

Q B y Mr. Fr iedman) . One we·ek p r i o r t o

t h e a s s a s s i n a t i o n , were you i n . a n a u t o m o b i l e t r a v e l i n g

t owards D a l l a s , Texas , w i t h J e r r y Hemming, F r a n k

S t u r g i s , Orlando Bosch and. Berna rd Ba rke r?


Q (By Mr. Fr iedman) And t h e Novo

Brothers .?


Q (By Mr. Fr iedman) You n e v e r i n t r o d u c e d

Frank S t u r g i s and Howard Hunt , i s t h a t . c o r r e c t ? To

each o . ther?

A.· · R i g h t ; a b s o l u t e l y n o t .

0 .Did y o u · e v e r s e e Howard Hunt w i t h

Manuel Art me?

MR DARRACH: .Same o b j e c t i o n ; u n l e s s

t h a t i s a n o t h e r name f o r Frank S t u r g i s o r Howard Hunt .

THE MITNESS: No.

MR FRIEDMAN : ~ 1 6 t ' 6 f t ~ ~ ~q u e s t i o n s; '

would be. c l e a r e d up i f you want , to answer : ou t . s ide . the. . • -

scope o f t h e o b j e c t i o n s v o l u n t a r i l y , w h r ~'you were on•,."·.'. I• • . { • .:· . • f .• - r

November 22 , 1913? I f you w i l l ~ i v us t h a t l o c a t i o n

and t i m e , w e w o u l d o b v i a t e

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MR. DARRACH: ·Same o b j e c t i o n . Those

q u e s t i o n s have been answer t i m e and a g a i n . I t h i n k

i f you p i c k up ' the . Miami Hera ld 1 s p a s t i s s u e s you

w i l l · f i n d · t h e answer s . to t h o s e q u e s t i o n s .

. . .

HR.· FRIEDMAN: ·We a r e a s k i n g u n d e r

o a t h .

MR. DARRACH: B u t we - - same o b j e c t i o n .

MR. FRIEDMAN: . L e t me a s k you t h i s

unde r o a t h :

Q By Mr. Fr i edman) Were you i n D a l l a s

Texas , on November. 22nd , 1963 ; Yes• o r No ?

MR. DARRACH: Same o b j e c t i o n .

MR. FRIEDMAN: · I f you want t o s a y N o -

.THE WITNESS: Were you t h e r e ?

MR. FRIEDMAN: No, s i r .

MR. DARRACH:· Same o b j e c t i o n .

Q B y . o r. Fr iedman) ·Have you t e s t i f i e d

unde r o a t h t o . t h e S e n a t e c o • m i E t e e o r . t h e FBI i n a

manner t h a t we can o b t a i n t h a t i n f o r m a t i o n w i t h o u t

hav ing t o d r a g · you . back.· e r ~ ?; { ..

So i t c a ~ :be , r e t e : t ~ e d ·to a s . source

i n s t e a d o f d r a g g i n g you q a ~ ~ o r . pe;r l )aps . a · comple te

s t o r y c o u l d be g i v e n a t one t i m ej : •

. 1 ~

A Were you b r o u g h t t h e r e t o g i v e a n y

s t a t e m e n t s where you i n t e r r o g a t e d o t h e r s ?

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MR FRIEDMAN I a l s o would l i k e t o

n o t e t h a t s ~ s e q u e n tt o t h e t i m e t h a t we f i r s t spoke ,

n o t e x a c t l y a t t h a t t i m e , b u t j u s t a f t e r I m n o t s u r e

e x a c t l y when, t h e l a w s u i t was amended t o i n c l u d e t h e

c h a rg e t h a t we had i n f a c t c o n s p i r e d t o do away w i t h

Frank S t u r g i s and t h i s would i n v o l v e t h e c o n s p i r a c y

w i t h .Mar i t a L o r e n s .

We w i l l . a s k q u e s t i o n s t h a t Mr. Lanz ,

t h a t i n v o l v e M a r i t a Lorene , whe the r he knows h e r

whether. he saw h e r and t h o s e a r e t h e o n l y two· q u e s -

t i o n s .

us t o answer

MR DARRACH: F i n e . I f t h e j u d g e t e l l s

MR FRIEDMAN Then we w i l l be b a c k .

(Whereupon, t h e t a k i n g o f t h e

d e p o s i t i o n o f PEDRO DIAZ LANZ

~ s cori e l u d e d a t 12 :00 noon . )

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STATE OF FLORIDA

COUNTY OF DADE

I , CARRIE JANE McGAREY a / k / a C a r r i e J a n e

H o l l a n d , a B i l i n g u a l C e r t i f i e d Shor thand R e p o r t e r

and Nota ry P u b l i c i n and f o r t h e S t a t e o f F l o r i d a a t

Large , he reby c e r t i f y t h a t a t t h e t ime and p l a c e s e t

f o r t h h e r e i n a b o v e t h e r e came b e f o r e me PEDRO DIAZ

LANZ, who was by me d u l y c a u t i o n e d and sworn , t h e n

c a r e f u l l y examined: t h a t h i s sworn t e s t i m o n y was r e -

duced t o t y p e w r i t t e n fo rm by me p e r s o n a l l y f rom myPi tman s h o r t h a n d n o t e s ; and t h a t t h e f o r e g o i n g p a g e s ,

numbered 1 t o and i n c l u d i n g 1 1 , r e p r e s e n t a t r u e and

c o r r e c t t r a n s c r i p t i o n o f my Pi tman s h o r t h a n d n o t e s .

I f u r t h e r c e r t i f y t h a t t h e r e a d i n g , s i g n i n g

and f i l i n g o f N o t i c e was waived by c o u n s e l f o r t h e

r e s p e c t i v e p a r t i e s ; t h a t I am n o t r e l a t e d t o o r

employed by any o f t h e p a r t i e s t o t h i s c a u s e , n o r am

I f i n a n c i a l l y i n t e r e s t e d i n t h e outcome o f same.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF I h e r e u n t o s e t my hand

and o f f i c i a l s e a l a t Miami, F l o r i d a , t h i s 23rd day o f

May, 1978 .Notary Public State of orida at Largo

My Commission Expires July 1 980onded Thru Maynard onding g o n e ~

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O a M « ~ _ \ l cf WNota ry u b ~ ~ S t a t eo f ~ r i

a t La-rge, c . s . R .

CARRIE J A NE M cGA REYC E R T I F I ~ I JSHQRTHANkl R i : P O R T i i i ~