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First Interview o Dr! "nderson [Interview #]

By Anne

What follows is a session I recorded of Dr. Anderson [Neruda] on December 27, !!7. "e #a$e%ermission for me to record his answers to my &uestions. 'his was the first of fi$e inter$iewsthat I was able to ta%e(record before he left or disa%%eared. I ha$e %reser$ed these transcri%ts%recisely as they occurred. No editin# was %erformed, and I)$e tried my best to include thee*act words and #rammar used by Dr. Anderson [Neruda].

"nne: +Are you comfortable+

Dr! "nderson: +-es, yes, I)m fine and ready to be#in when you are.+

"nne: +-ou)$e made some remarable claims with res%ect to the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect. 0anyou %lease recount what your in$ol$ement in this %ro/ect was and why you chose to lea$e it ofyour own freewill+

Dr! "nderson: +I was selected to %artici%ate in the decodin# and translation of the symbol%ictures found at the site. I ha$e a nown e*%ertise in lan#ua#es and ancient te*ts. I am able to

s%ea o$er 1 [thirty] different lan#ua#es fluently and another 2 [twel$e] or so lan#ua#es thatare officially e*tinct. Because of my sills in lin#uistics and my abilities to decode symbol%ictures lie %etro#ly%hs or hiero#ly%hs, I was chosen for this tas.

+I had been in$ol$ed in the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect from its $ery ince%tion, when the A0I3 tooo$er the %ro/ect from the N4A. I was initially in$ol$ed in the site disco$ery and its restorationalon# with a team of 7 other scientists from the A0I3. We restored each of the 21 [twenty(three] chambers of the Win#5aers) time ca%sule and catalo#ed all of their attendant artifacts.

+As the restoration was com%leted, I became increasin#ly focused on decodin# their %eculiarlan#ua#e and desi#nin# the translation inde*es to 6n#lish. It was a %articularly $e*in# %rocess

because an o%tical disc was found in the 21rd [twenty(third] chamber and it was im%re#nable toour technolo#ies. We assumed that the o%tical disc held most of the information that theWin#5aers desired us to now about them. "owe$er, we couldn)t fi#ure out how to a%%ly thesymbol %ictures found in their chamber %aintin#s to unloc the disc.

+I decided to lea$e the %ro/ect after I was successful in deducin# the access code for the o%ticaldisc [, and felt that the A0I3 was #oin# to %re$ent the %ublic from accessin# the information

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contained within the Ancient Arrow site. 'here were other reasons, but it)s too com%licated toe*%lain in a concise res%onse.+]. 4hortly thereafter I became aware of what I can only describeas the %resence of the Win#5aers. I felt as thou#h they were $isitin# me . . . e$en assistin#me in my wor . . . +

[4arah +What did 8ifteen do when he found out you were lea$in#+

Dr. Neruda +"e ne$er had a chance to res%ond directly to me because I left without a word.But I)m certain that he)s an#ry and feels betrayed.+]

"nne: +When you say )$isitin# you), what e$idence did you ha$e that the Win#5aers mi#ht be$isitin# you+

Dr! "nderson: +I was s%endin# 7 hours %er wee worin# on the decodin# formulas for thesymbol %ictures, and this went on for about 9 months. Durin# this time I tried e$ery concei$ablecombination to create an access code to the o%tical disc. I was con$inced it was the only way too%en it. I was also con$inced that it was %ur%osely made to be difficult, at least to our %resent(

day brains. It was almost as thou#h the stru##le to decode their lan#ua#e was e*ercisin# a %artof my brain or ner$ous system that was enablin# me to communicate with them.

+I be#an to hear them s%eain# to me. It be#an as a word or two . . . then a sentence . . .maybe /ust once a day. It didn)t mae much sense . . . what I heard. But then one day I wasworin# on a chamber %aintin# and I saw somethin# mo$e in the %aintin#. 3ne of the symbolsmo$ed and it was absolutely not an illusion or tric of the li#ht. 'hen I reali:ed that theWin#5aers could interact with me, that they were time tra$elin# to my time and that somehowtheir %aintin#s were actually %ortals in which they mo$ed throu#h time.

+It was then I be#an to hear their instructions, or more %recisely, their thou#hts. I was #i$en

mental ima#es on how to use the 4umerian lan#ua#e to decode their own symbol %ictures. Ithou#ht I was %ossibly #oin# cra:y. I felt lie my mind was %layin# trics on me . . . that I wasworin# too hard and needed to tae a holiday, but I listened to the $oices because it seemed%lausible what I was bein# instructed to do. When I finished with the access code and itwored, I new then that I was indeed communicatin# with them.

"nne:+Did you tell anyone I mean about the fact that you were communicatin# with theWin#5aers+

Dr! "nderson: +I e%t it a secret. I wasn)t sure how I would be able to e*%lain the%henomenon and I didn)t want to arouse sus%icions, so I went about my business and be#ande$elo%in# the translation inde*es for the 9, %a#es of te*t that was disco$ered within theo%tical disc. It was essential that we had a letter(for(letter inde* in order to retain the meanin#of their lan#ua#e . . . we called this translation #ranularity. And as I started the %rocess oftranslatin# the o%tical disc, I be#an to see fra#ment ima#es of the Win#5aers . . . sort of lie aholo#ra%hic ima#e that would a%%ear and then disa%%ear in a matter of seconds.

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+'hey $isited me a total of three times (( always in my home at ni#ht (( and told me that I hadbeen selected to be their liaison or s%oes%erson. 3f course I ased them why me and not8ifteen, and they said that 8ifteen was unable to s%ea for them because he was already the%awn of the 0orteum.+

"nne:+'ell me about 8ifteen. What is he lie+

Dr! "nderson: +8ifteen is a #enius of un%aralleled intelli#ence and nowled#e. "e)s the leaderof the ;abyrinth s (( must ha$e sounded to his %rofessors

+Needless to say, he was not taen seriously, and was essentially told to #et in line withacademic %rotocols and %erform serious research. 8ifteen came to the A0I3 throu#h an alliance

it had with Bell ;abs. 4omehow Bell ;abs heard about his #enius and hired him, but he &uiclyout(%aced their research a#enda and wanted to a%%ly his $ision of time tra$el.+

"nne: +Why was he so interested in time tra$el+

Dr! "nderson: +No one is absolutely sure. And his reasons may ha$e chan#ed o$er time. 'heacce%ted %ur%ose was to de$elo% Blan 4late 'echnolo#y or B4'. B4' is a form of time tra$elthat enables the re(write of history at what are called inter$ention %oints. Inter$ention %ointsare the causal ener#y centers that create a ma/or e$ent lie the brea(u% of the 4o$iet ?nion orthe NA4A s%ace %ro#ram.

+B4' is the most ad$anced technolo#y and clearly anyone who is in %ossession of B4', candefend themsel$es a#ainst any a##ressor. It is, as 8ifteen was fond of sayin#, the freedom ey.@emember that the A0I3 was the %rimary interface with e*traterrestrial technolo#ies and howto ada%t them into mainstream society as well as military a%%lications. We were e*%osed to 6'sand new of their a#enda. 4ome of these 6's scared the hell out of the A0I3.+

"nne: +Why+

Dr! "nderson: +'here were a#reements between our #o$ernment (( s%ecifically the N4A (( tocoo%erate with an 6' s%ecies commonly called the


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understood, but if you acce%t their stated a#enda, it)s to %er%etuate their s%ecies. 'heir s%eciesis nearin# e*tinction and they)re fearful that their biolo#ical system lacs the emotionalde$elo%ment to harness their technolo#ical %rowess in a res%onsible manner.

+8ifteen was a%%roached by the


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Dr! "nderson: +"e was the Director of @esearch in !>9 when the 0orteum first becamenown to the A0I3. In this %osition, he was the lo#ical choice to assess their technolo#y anddetermine its $alue to the A0I3. 'he 0orteum instantly too a liin# to him, and one of 8ifteen)sfirst decisions was to utili:e the 0orteum intelli#ence accelerator technolo#ies on himself. Afterabout three months of e*%erimentation most of which was not in his briefin# re%orts to thethen current 6*ecuti$e Director of the A0I3E, 8ifteen became infused with a massi$e $ision ofhow to create B4'.

+'he 6*ecuti$e Director was fri#htened by the intensity of 8ifteen)s B4' a#enda and felt that itwould di$ert too much of the A0I3)s resources to a technolo#y de$elo%ment %ro#ram that wasdubious. 8ifteen was enou#h of a rene#ade that he enlisted the hel% of the 0orteum to establishthe ;abyrinth


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Dr! "nderson: +'he %ro%hecies were made by a $ariety of %eo%le who are, for the most %art,unnown or anonymous, so if I told you their names you would ha$e no reco#nition. -ou see,time tra$el can be accom%lished by the soul from an obser$ational le$el . . . [((] that is to say,that certain indi$iduals can mo$e in the realm of what we call $ertical time and see futuree$ents with #reat clarity, but they are %owerless to chan#e them. 'here are also thoseindi$iduals who ha$e, in our o%inion, come into contact with the Win#5aers and are %ro$idedmessa#es about the future, which they had recorded in symbol %ictures or e*tinct lan#ua#eslie 4umerian, 5ayan, and 0haobsan.

+'he messa#es or %ro%hecies that they made had se$eral consistent strands or themes thatwere to occur in the early %art of the 2st [twenty(first] century, around the year 2. 0hiefamon# these was the infiltration of the ma/or #o$ernments of the world, includin# the ?nitedNations, by an alien race. 'his alien race was a %redator race with e*tremely so%histicatedtechnolo#ies that enabled them to inte#rate with the human s%ecies. 'hat is to say, they could%ose as humanoids, but they were truly a blend of human and android [(( in other words, theywere synthetics].

+'his alien race was %ro%hesied to establish a world #o$ernment and rule as its e*ecuti$e%ower. It was to be the ultimate challen#e to humanind)s collecti$e intelli#ence and sur$i$al.'hese te*ts are e%t from the %ublic because they are too fear(%ro$oin# and would liely resultin a%ocaly%tic re%risals and mass %aranoia[G] . . . +

"nne: +Are you sayin# what I thin you)re sayin# 'hat anonymous %ro%hets from


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belie$ed to be hocus(%ocus anyway, so libraries are often $ery willin# to %art with them for anendowment or modest contribution. Also, most of these are ori#inal writin#s ha$in# ne$er been%ublished, bein# that they ori#inated from a time before the %rintin# %ress.

+'here is a networ of secret or#ani:ations that are loosely connected throu#h the financialmarets and their interests in worldly affairs. 'hey are #enerally centers of %ower for themonetary systems within their res%ecti$e countries, and are elitists of the first order. 'he A0I3is affiliated with this networ only because it is ri#htly construed that the A0I3 has the besttechnolo#y in the world, and this technolo#y can be de%loyed for financial #ain throu#h maretmani%ulation.

+As for an editorial committee . . . [((] no, this secret networ of or#ani:ations doesn)t re$iewboos before %ublication. Its holdin#s are e*clusi$ely in ancient manuscri%ts and reli#ious te*ts.'hey ha$e a $ery stron# interest in %ro%hecy because they belie$e in the conce%t of $erticaltime and they ha$e a $ested interest in nowin# the macro(en$ironmental chan#es that caneffect the economy. -ou see for most of them, the only #ame on this %lanet that is worth%layin# is the ac&uisition of e$er(increasin# wealth and %ower throu#h an orchestrated

mani%ulation of the ey $ariables that dri$e the economic en#ines of our world.+

"nne: +4o if they)re so smart about the future, and they belie$e these %ro%hecies, what arethey doin# to hel% %rotect us from these alien in$aders+

Dr! "nderson: +'hey hel% fund the A0I3. 'his collecti$e of or#ani:ations has enormouswealth. 5ore than most #o$ernments can com%rehend. 'he A0I3 %ro$ides them with thetechnolo#y to mani%ulate money marets and rae in tens [hundreds] of billions of dollars e$eryyear. I don)t e$en now the sco%e of their collecti$e wealth. 'he A0I3 also recei$es fundin#from the sale of its diluted technolo#ies to these or#ani:ations for the sae of their own securityand %rotection. We)$e de$ised the world)s finest security systems, which are both undetectable

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are, they ha$e yet to %roduce the e&ui$alent of B4'. 'hey are able to time tra$el in itselemental form, but they can)t interact with the time that they tra$el to. 'hat is to say, they can#o bac in time, but once there, they cannot alter the e$ents of that time because they are in a%assi$e, obser$ational mode.

+'he ;abyrinth sensory [three(dimensional fi$e(sensory]domain to the multidimensional 7(sensory [se$en(sensory] domain.

+In my o%inion, they were sayin# that in order to a%%ly B4', the tra$eler needed to o%eratefrom the multidimensional 7(sensory [se$en(sensory] domain. 3therwise, B4' was the%ro$erbial camel throu#h the eye of the needle . . . or in other words . . . im%ossible[G] . . . +

"nne: +'his at least seems %lausible to me, why was it so hard to belie$e for the A0I3+

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centric and more and more s%iritually focused. 'here was a sense of entrainment caused bytheir teachin# that I couldn)t e*%lain. 8or whate$er reason, I be#an to loose my ob/ecti$ity as aresearcher, and felt myself more of an ad$ocate of the Win#5aers.+

"nne: +What do you mean by the word ad$ocate+

Dr! "nderson: +ust that I was sym%athetic to what I construed as the Win#5aers) a#enda.+

"nne:+And what was . . . or %erha%s more a%%ro%riately, what is their a#enda in youro%inion+

Dr! "nderson: +In my o%inion, their a#enda is to acti$ate, throu#h their time ca%sules the newconsciousness that enables B4'. I belie$e the Win#5aers are tryin# to hel% us de$elo% ourconsciousness . . . our human abilities . . . so we)re able to utili:e B4' successfully as adefensi$e wea%on. But more #enerally, I thin this new consciousness is also (( in itself (( adefensi$e wea%on.+

"nne: +But if the Win#5aers are time tra$elers themsel$es, in %ossession of B4', why can)tthey deal with the hostile aliens in 2+

Dr! "nderson: +I don)t now. Belie$e me, I)$e thou#ht about that one a #reat deal, as has theteam worin# on the %ro/ect. erha%s B4' isn)t their %rimary concern for us, but rather hel%in#us mo$e from the 1(dimensional > sensory domain to the more %otent multidimensional 7sensory consciousness. erha%s they)re unable to access the inter$ention %oints because theylac some critical %iece of information. 3r %erha%s they)re unaware of the need because wealready sol$ed it in the year 2.

+All I now is that we ha$e about = different hy%otheses, and we /ust don)t ha$e enou#h data to

mae a conclusion. Bear in mind that only about 7J of the te*t from the o%tical disc has beensecured and translated to 6n#lish. 'he A0I3 is missin# much of the information yet that willallow it to understand the true nature of the time ca%sules and the %ur%ose of the Win#5aers.+

[Note: $he ollowing se%tion was inserted]

[4arah +8irst, what)re @H technolo#ies+

Dr. Neruda +'hin of it as %sychic s%yin#. 'he A0I3 has a de%artment that s%eciali:es in@emote Hiewin# technolo#y, and within this de%artment was a woman of un%aralleled ca%abilityas an @H. 4he was assi#ned to the %ro/ect as its @H, and she was a critical element indeterminin# the identity and %ur%ose of the Win#5aers.+

4arah +0an we come bac to the @H technolo#y ust tell me what she disco$ered as to theidentity of the Win#5aers.+

Dr. Neruda +4he was $ery attuned to the first artifact we reco$ered, which turned out to be ahomin# de$ice that essentially led us to the Ancient Arrow site. We conducted two official @H

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sessions (( one that I monitored and another that 8ifteen monitored. 4he was able to maecontact with the ori#inal %lanners of the Ancient Arrow site. 'hrou#h these two @H sessions wewere able to determine that the identity of the Win#5aers was an ancient (( the most ancient(( race of humanind.+

4arah +When you say most ancient, what do you mean+

Dr. Neruda +We now of them mostly throu#h a few ancient manuscri%ts that were re%utedlychanneled by these bein#s. 'here)re a few myths in 5ayan and 4umerian te*t that refer tothese bein# as well. But the most definiti$e te*t comes from the 0orteum who defined them, inour terms, as the 0entral @ace.+

4arah +"ow can they be so ancient if they)re so technolo#ically ad$anced+

Dr. Neruda 'he 0entral @ace resides in the most %rime$al #ala*ies nearest the centermost %artof the uni$erse. Accordin# to 0orteum cosmolo#y, the structure of the uni$erse is se#mentedinto se$en su%eruni$erses that each re$ol$e around a central uni$erse. 'he central uni$erse is

the material home of 8irst 4ource or the 0reator. Accordin# to the 0orteum, in order to #o$ernthe material uni$erse, 8irst 4ource must inhabit materiality and function in the materialuni$erse. 'he central uni$erse is the material home of 8irst 4ource and is eternal. It)ssurrounded by dar #ra$ity bodies that mae it essentially in$isible e$en to those #ala*ies thatlie closest to its %eri%hery.

+'he 0orteum teach that the central uni$erse is stationary and eternal, while the se$ensu%eruni$erses are creations of time and re$ol$e around the central uni$erse in acounterclocwise rotation. 4urroundin# these se$en su%eruni$erses is +outer+ or %eri%herals%ace, which is non(%hysical elementals consistin# of non(baryonic matter or antimatter, whichrotates around the se$en su%eruni$erses in a clocwise rotation. 'his $ast outer s%ace is

e*%ansion room for the su%eruni$erses to e*%and into. 'he nown uni$erse that yourastronomers see is mostly a small fra#ment of our su%eruni$erse and the e*%ansion s%ace at itsoutermost %eri%hery. "ubble(based astronomy e*tra%olates, based on a fractional field of $iew,that there are > billion #ala*ies in our su%eruni$erse, each containin# o$er billion stars."owe$er, most astronomers remain con$inced that our uni$erse is sin#ular. It is not ((accordin# to the 0orteum.+

+3n the frin#e of the central uni$erse resides the 0entral @ace, which contain the ori#inalhuman DNA tem%late of creation. "owe$er, they are such an ancient race that they a%%ear tous as


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Dr. Neruda +'he 0entral @ace is di$ided into se$en tribes, and they are master #eneticists andthe %ro#enitors of the humanoid race. In effect, they are our future sel$es. Kuite literally theyre%resent what we will e$ol$e into in time and towards in terms of s%ace.+

4arah +4o, you)re sayin# that the Win#5aers are our future sel$es and that they)re buildin#these time ca%sules in order to communicate with us+

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4arah +4o the Win#5aers, or 0entral @ace, created us and %resumably hundreds of others%ecies, %lanted us on earth, and then built a com%le* defensi$e system to %rotect their#enetics. Is that the situation+

Dr. Neruda +'he best way to conce%tuali:e who these bein#s are, is to consider them as#eneticists who were the first born of 8irst 4ource. 'he #ala*ies in which the 0entral @aceresides are a%%ro*imately ei#hteen billion years old and their #enetics are immeasurably morede$elo%ed than our own. 'hey are the o%timal soul carrier in that they can co(e*ist in thematerial world and the non(material dimensions simultaneously. 'his is because their #eneticblue%rint has been fully acti$ated.+

4arah +-ou sound lie you)re a belie$er in this %hiloso%hy, but I don)t understand why you)resuch an authority if it)s the 0orteum cosmolo#y. Did they teach you this+

Dr. Neruda +art of our '' with the 0orteum e*tended to their cosmolo#y, and they ha$e thee&ui$alent of our Bible called ;iminal 0osmo#ony that I translated. It was our first detailede*%osure to the 0entral @ace and their behind(the(scenes influence of #enetic e$olution and

transformation.+

4arah +What do you mean )behind(the(scenes)

Dr. Neruda +'he Win#5aers ha$e created a DNA tem%late that is form(fitted to each of these$en su%eruni$erses, enablin# a uni&ue and dominant soul carrier to emer#e within each of thesu%eruni$erses. 'his soul carrier (( in our case (( is the human #enoty%e. Within our #eneticsubstrate is the inborn structure that will ultimately deli$er our s%ecies to the central uni$erse asa %erfected s%ecies. 'he Win#5aers ha$e encoded this within our DNA, and set forth thenatural and artificial tri##er %oints that cause our #enetic structures to alter and ada%t. In this%rocess, it acti$ates %arts of our ner$ous system that feed the brain with a much richer stream

of data from our fi$e senses and two additional senses that we ha$e yet to consciouslyacti$ate.+

4arah +It sounds a little too manufactured.+

Dr. Neruda +What do you mean+

4arah +ust that humans will one day as%ire to the hei#hts of the Win#5aers, but oursal$ation is somethin# in$isible that)s encoded in our #enes. It feels lie we)re manufactured toattain the same $iew or %ers%ecti$e of our creators. What ha%%ened to freewill+

Dr. Neruda +-ou raise a #ood &uestion, 4arah. I can)t defend this system of belief. I can reciteany %assa#e you want from the boos that I now, but it)s /ust someone)s o%inion who)s taenthe time to write it down.

+I can tell you that in my e*%erience, the wider the ran#e of %ossibilities as one mo$es towardmore of a multidimensional thou#ht stream and acti$ity %ath, the narrower one)s choices

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become as they %ertain to ri#htful li$in#. -ou could e$en say that freewill diminishes as onebecomes reali:ed to all %ossibilities.+

4arah +I now you)re tryin# to hel%, but you lost me (( but don)t try and e*%lain a#ain. ;et) s/ust chal it u% to my dense brain #ettin# in the way.+

Dr. Neruda +If it)s anythin#, it)s my %oor e*%lanation. It)s difficult to define these thin#s in away that can enter your consciousness at its %re%aration %oint.+

4arah +-ou said earlier that the Win#5aers encoded tri##er %oints that were both natural andartificially stimulated. What did you mean+

Dr. Neruda +A#ain, I want to em%hasi:e that this is all accordin# to the 0orteum. We ha$e $erylittle %roof of any of this from our own em%irical research. "owe$er, the ;abyrinth


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Dr. Neruda +;ie the state of enli#htenment as described by some of our %lanet)s s%iritualteachers.

4arah +I)$e ne$er heard of enli#htenment as somethin# that one ada%ts to.+

Dr. Neruda +'hat)s only because mystics and scientists alie do not understand this as%ect ofthe human DNA tem%late. 6$erythin#, whether it)s a biolo#ical en$ironment or a state of mind,re&uires ada%tation on the %art of the %erson under#oin# the e*%erience. Ada%tation is the%rimary intelli#ence desi#ned within our #enetic code, and it is this intelli#ence that isawaened, or tri##ered, with certain stimuli.

+'he stimuli can be artificially induced, that is to say, the 0entral @ace has encoded ada%tationto hi#her $ibratory fre&uencies within our DNA that they can tri##er throu#h catalytic ima#es,words, or sounds.+

4arah +3ay, so now you)re comin# full circle to the %ur%ose of the artifacts found at theAncient Arrow site. 0orrect+

Dr. Neruda +I belie$e they)re related. 'o what e*tent I)m not sure. But from readin# theinformation contained within the o%tical disc, I)m &uite certain that the Win#5aers intend themusic, art, %oetry, and %hiloso%hy to be catalytic.+

4arah +But for what %ur%ose+

Dr. Neruda +;et)s sa$e that for a later time. I %romise we)ll #et to that, but it)s a $ery lon#story.+]

"nne: +;et)s tae a short brea and resume after we)$e had a chance to #rab some more

coffee. 3ay+

Dr! "nderson: +3ay.+

Brea for about minutes . . . [((] @esume inter$iewE

"nne: +Durin# the brea I ased you about the networ of secret or#ani:ations you mentionedthat the A0I3 is %art of. 0an you elaborate on this networ and what its a#enda is+

Dr! "nderson: +'here are many or#ani:ations that ha$e noble e*teriors and secret interiors. Inother words, they may ha$e e*ternal a#endas that they %romote to their em%loyees, members,

and the media, but there is also a secret and well hidden a#enda that only the inner core of theor#ani:ation is aware of. 'he outer rin#s or %rotecti$e membershi% as they)re sometimesreferred to, are sim%ly window dressin# to co$er(u% the real a#enda of the or#ani:ation.

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the %owerful and wealthy who ha$e /oined forces in order to mani%ulate world %olitical,economic, and social systems to facilitate their own [%ersonal] a#enda.

+'he a#enda, as I now it, is %rimarily concerned with control of the world economy and its $italresources (( oil, #old, #as reser$es, %latinum, diamonds, etc. 'his secret networ has utili:edtechnolo#y from the A0I3 for the %ur%ose of securin# control of the world economy. 'hey)rewell into the %rocess of desi#nin# an inte#rated world economy based on a di#ital e&ui$alent of%a%er currency. 'his infrastructure is in %lace, but it is tain# more time than e*%ected toim%lement because of the resistance of com%etiti$e forces who don)t understand the e*actnature of this secret networ, but intuiti$ely sense its e*istence.

+'hese com%etiti$e forces are #enerally businesses and %oliticians who are affiliated with thetransition to a #lobal, di#ital economy, but want to ha$e some control of the infrastructurede$elo%ment, and because of their si:e and %osition in the maret%lace can e*ert si#nificantinfluence on this secret networ.

+'he only or#ani:ation that I)m aware of that is entirely inde%endent as to its a#enda, and

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of this inter$iew without disru%tin# any other memories before or after. -ou would sim%ly sensesome missin# time %erha%s, but nothin# more would be recalled . . . [((] if that.

+5y intuition cautioned me that I was a candidate to ha$e this %rocedure because of thebeha$iors I was e*hibitin# in deference to the Win#5aers. In other words, I was belie$ed to bea sym%athi:er of their culture, %hiloso%hy, and mission (( what I new of it. 'hat made me a%otential ris to the %ro/ect. 'he ;abyrinth


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to be shared with humanity ;oo . . . if [If] the a$era#e citi:en had found this time ca%sule . . .[((] or e$en a #o$ernment laboratory, what)s the chance they would ha$e been able to deci%herit and access the o%tical disc+

Dr! "nderson: +It)s not such a stran#e &uestion actually. We ased it oursel$es. It seemedclear to the ;abyrinth


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which they could only ha$e nowled#e of if they had access to A0I3 information systems, orwere indeed time tra$elers . . . or both, I su%%ose.

+Assumin# they)re accurately re%resentin# themsel$es, they are $ery ad$anced technolo#ically.'he ;abyrinth


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earth, and with some su%erficial ad/ustments to their %hysical a%%earance, they could %ass for ahuman in broad dayli#ht.

+resident 0linton is aware of these matters and has considered alternati$e ways tocommunicate with 6's. 'o date, a form of tele%athy has been used as the %rimarycommunication interface. "owe$er, this is not a trusted form of communication, es%ecially inthe minds of our military %ersonnel. Hirtually e$ery radio telesco%e on the #lobe has been, atone time or another, used to communicate with 6's. 'his has had mi*ed results, but there ha$ebeen successes, and our resident is aware of these.+

"nne: +'hen is 0linton in$ol$ed in the secret networ you mentioned earlier+

Dr! "nderson: +Not nowin#ly. But he is clearly an im%ortant influencer, and is treated with#reat care by hi#h(le$el o%erati$es within the networ.+

"nne: +4o you)re sayin# he)s mani%ulated+

Dr! "nderson: +It de%ends on your definition of +mani%ulation+. "e can mae any decision hedesires, ultimately he has the %ower to mae or influence all decisions relati$e to nationalsecurity, economic stability, and social order. But he #enerally sees in%uts from his ad$isors.And hi#h le$el o%erati$es from this secret networ ad$ise his ad$isors. 'he networ, and itso%erati$es, seldom #ets too close to %olitical %ower because it)s in the media fish bowl, and theydisdain the scrutiny of the media and the %ublic in #eneral.

+0linton, therefore is not mani%ulated, but sim%ly ad$ised. 'he information he recei$es issometimes doctored to lead his decisions in the direction that the networ feels is mostbeneficial to all of its members. 'o the e*tent that information is doctored, then I thin youcould say that the resident is mani%ulated. "e has %recious little time to %erform fact checin#

and fully e$aluate alternati$e %lans, which is why the ad$isors are so im%ortant and influential.+

"nne: +3ay, so he)s mani%ulated (( at least by my definition. Is this also ha%%enin# with other#o$ernments lie a%an and


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course not. 6$en the current mana#ement of the N4A is not aware of the A0I3. At one time,they were. But that was o$er 1> years a#o, and %eo%le circulate out of the or#ani:ation, but stillretain their alliance to the secret and %ri$ile#ed information networ.

+And no, absolutely there is no mob or or#ani:ed crime influence in this networ. 'he networuses or#ani:ed crime as a shield in some instances, but or#ani:ed crime o%erates throu#hintimidation, not stealth. Its leaders %ossess a$era#e intelli#ence and associate with informationsystems that are obsolete and therefore non(strate#ic. 'he or#ani:ed crime networ is a muchless so%histicated $ersion of the networ I was referrin# to.+

"nne: 3ay, let)s #et bac to the Win#5aers for a moment . . . [((] and I a%olo#i:e for myscattered &uestions toni#ht. It)s /ust that there)s so much I want to now that I)m findin# it $erydifficult to stay on the sub/ect of the Ancient Arrow %ro/ect.+

Dr! "nderson: +-ou don)t need to a%olo#i:e. I understand how this must sound to you. I)m stillwide awae, so you don)t ha$e to worry about the time.+

"nne: +3ay. ;et)s tal a little bit about your im%ressions or insi#hts into the Win#5aers)%hiloso%hy and culture [6' situation that you s%oe of earlier. 'o me, this is the %art that)s mostfascinatin#].+

Dr! "nderson: +8irst of all, a#ain I want to remind you that only a fraction of their writin#sha$e been translated. 4o whate$er insi#hts I may ha$e, are limited by a %artial understandin# ((at best (( of their culture and %hiloso%hy. Also, I want to remind you that the Win#5aers maynot re%resent the broader culture and %hiloso%hy of their time. 3ur inter%retation was that theyre%resented a subset or subculture of their time.

+With those &ualifications, I)ll say that the Win#5aers ha$e the benefit of about 7> additional

years of e$olutionary thou#ht. We %resume that humans of this era are acti$e members of the8ederation of our #ala*y . . . +

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Dr. Neruda +'he 0orteum are a $ery so%histicated culture, inte#ratin# technolo#y, culture, andscience in a $ery holistic manner. 8or different reasons, they)re not in$ol$ed with our#o$ernments either, mainly because of their role with the 8ederation. +]

"nne: +What)s the 8ederation . . . I ha$en)t heard you tal about it before+

Dr! "nderson: +6ach #ala*y has a 8ederation or loose(nit or#ani:ation that includes allsentient life forms on e$ery %lanet within the #ala*y. It would be the e&ui$alent of the ?nitedNations of the #ala*y. 'his 8ederation has both in$ited members and obser$ational members.In$ited members are those s%ecies that ha$e mana#ed to beha$e in a res%onsible manner asstewards of their %lanet and combine both the technolo#y, %hiloso%hy, and culture that enablethem to communicate as a #lobal entity that has a unified a#enda.

+3bser$ational members are s%ecies who are fra#mented and are still wrestlin# with oneanother o$er land, %ower, money, culture, and a host of other thin#s that %re$ent them fromformin# a unified world #o$ernment. 'he human race on %lanet earth is such a s%ecies, and fornow, it is sim%ly obser$ed by the 8ederation, but is not in$ited into its %olicy main# and

economic systems.+

"nne: +Are you sayin# that our #ala*y has a form of #o$ernment and a economic system+

Dr! "nderson: +-es, but if I tell you about this you will lose trac of what I really wanted toshare with you about the Win#5aers . . . +

"nne: +I)m sorry for tain# us off trac a#ain. But this is /ust too ama:in# to i#nore. If there)s a8ederation of coo%erati$e, intelli#ent s%ecies, why couldn)t they tae care of these hostile aliensin the year 2 or at least hel% us+

Dr! "nderson: +'he 8ederation doesn)t intrude on a s%ecies of any ind. It is truly a facilitatin#force not a #o$ernin# force with a military %resence. 'hat is to say, they will obser$e and hel%with su##estions, but they will not inter$ene on our behalf.+

"nne: +Is this lie the rime Directi$e as it)s %ortrayed on 4tar 're+

Dr! "nderson: +No. It)s more lie a %arent who wants its children to learn how to fend forthemsel$es so they can become #reater contributors to the family.+

"nne: +But wouldn)t a hostile tae(o$er of earth effect the 8ederation+

Dr! "nderson: +5ost definitely. But the 8ederation does not %reem%t a s%ecies) ownres%onsibility for sur$i$al and the %er%etuation of its #enetics. -ou see, at an atomic le$el our%hysical bodies are made &uite literally from stars. At a sub(atomic le$el, our minds are non(%hysical re%ositories of a #alactic mind. At a sub(sub(atomic le$el, our souls are non(%hysicalre%ositories of


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+'he 8ederation belie$es that the human s%ecies can defend itself because it is of the stars,#alactic mind, and


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alien race foretold in %ro%hecy is not e$en aware of earth at this time. 'hey ori#inate from adifferent #ala*y alto#ether. 'he %ro%hecy is that they will send %robes to our #ala*y anddetermine that earth is the best #enetic library and natural resource re%ository in the 5ily Waythat can be &uicly assimilated. 'hey will $isit earth in 2. ['he Animus ha$e $isited earthbefore, a%%ro*imately three hundred million years a#o, but they didn)t find anythin# %resent onour %lanet to cause them to in$est the time and resources to coloni:e our %lanet. When their%robes return in thirteen years, they will thin differently.]

+'he %ro%hecy says [3ur analysis is that] they will befriend our #o$ernments and utili:e the?nited Nations as an ally. 'hey will set about orchestratin# a unified world #o$ernment throu#hthe ?nited Nations. And when the first elections are held in 29, they will o$ertae the ?nitedNations and rule as the world #o$ernment. 'his will be done throu#h tricery and dece%tion.

+I mention these %ro%hecies [our analysis (( taen from three different @H sessions ((] becausethey)re &uite s%ecific as to the dates, and so we ha$e the e&ui$alent of ! [nineteen] years to%roduce and de%loy B4'. Ideally, yes, we)d lie to ha$e it com%leted in order to interface withthe inter$ention %oints for this race when it decided to crosso$er into our #ala*y. We would lie

to cause them to choose a different #ala*y or abandon their &uest alto#ether. But it may beim%ossible to determine this inter$ention %oint.

+-ou see, the memory im%lant technolo#y de$elo%ed by the ;abyrinth


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Dr! "nderson: +Hertical time has to do with the simultaneous e*%erience of all time, andhori:ontal time has to do with the continuity of time in linear, moment(by(moment e*%eriences.+

"nne: +4o you)re sayin# that e$ery e*%erience I)$e e$er had or will e$er ha$e e*ists ri#ht now'hat the %ast and future are actually the %resent, but I)m /ust too brainwashed to see it+

Dr! "nderson: +As I said before, this is a com%le* sub/ect, and I)m afraid that if I s%end thetime e*%lainin# it to you now, we will [we)ll] lose trac of more im%ortant information lie B4'.erha%s if I were to e*%lain the nature of B4', most of your &uestions would be answered inthe %rocess.+

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+-ou see, e$ents (( small and lar#e (( occur from a sin#le thou#ht, which becomes a %ersistentmemory, which in turn, becomes a causal ener#y center that leads the de$elo%ment andmateriali:ation of the thou#ht into reality... into hori:ontal time. 5@ can remo$e the initialthou#ht and thereby eliminate the %ersistent memory that causes e$ents to occur.

+'he third technolo#y consists of definin# the inter$ention %oint. In e$ery ma/or decision, thereare hundreds if not thousands of inter$ention %oints in hori:ontal time as a thou#ht unfolds andmo$es throu#h its de$elo%ment %hase. "owe$er, in $ertical time, there is only one inter$ention%oint or what we sometimes called the causal seed. In other words, if you can access $erticaltime intelli#ence you can identify the inter$ention %oint that is the causal seed. 'his technolo#yidentifies the most %robable inter$ention %oints and rans their %riority. It enables focus of theremainin# technolo#ies.

+'he fourth technolo#y is related to the third. It)s the scenario modelin# technolo#y. 'histechnolo#y hel%s to assess the $arious inter$ention %oints as to their least in$asi$e ri%%le effectsto the reci%ients. In other words, which inter$ention %oint (( if a%%lied to a scenario model ((%roduces the desired outcome with the least disru%tion to unrelated e$ents 'he scenario

modelin# technolo#y is a ey element of B4' because without it, B4' could cause si#nificantdisru%tion to a society or entire s%ecies.

+'he fifth and most %u::lin# technolo#y is the interacti$e time tra$el technolo#y. 'he ;abyrinth]minutes . . . @esume inter$iewE

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Dr! "nderson: +-es. 'hey ha$e about [forty] scenario models and %erha%s as many as >(9[ei#ht] inter$ention %oints defined.+

"nne: +And if there)re that many, there must be a %riority established. What)s the most%robable scenario model+

Dr! "nderson: +I will be brief on this %oint because it)s such classified information that only the* [4;(8ourteen] %ersonnel and 8ifteen now this. 5y classification is 2* [4; (('hirteen] andso I #et diluted re%orts and &uite %ossibly misinformation with re#ard to our scenario modelin#.About all I can tell you is that we now (( from both the %ro%hecies and our remote $iewin#technolo#y (( a si#nificant amount of information about this race.

+8or e*am%le, we now that it hails from a #ala*y that our "ubble telesco%e has e*amined asthorou#hly as %ossible and we)$e charted it as e*tensi$ely as %ossible. We now that it is 2.=[thirty(se$en] million li#ht years away and that the s%ecies is a synthetic race (( a mi*ture of#enetic creation and technolo#y. It %ossesses a hi$e mentality, but indi$idual initiati$e is stilla%%reciated as lon# as it is ali#ned with the e*%licit ob/ecti$es of its leaders.

+Because it is [it)s] a synthetic race, it can be %roduced in a controlled en$ironment and its%o%ulation can be increased or decreased de%endin# on the whims of its leaders. It is . . . [((] +

"nne: +Didn)t you /ust say it)s from a #ala*y that)s 2.= [thirty(se$en] million li#ht years away Imean, assumin# they were able to tra$el at the s%eed of li#ht, it would tae them 2.= [thirty(se$en] million years to come to our %lanet. And you said earlier that they didn)t e$en nowabout earth yet . . . ri#ht [hadn)t e$en crossed into our #ala*y yet, ri#ht]+

Dr! "nderson: +'he 0orteum come from a %lanet that is >, [fifteen million] li#ht yearsaway, and yet they can come and #o between their %lanet and our %lanet in the time it taes us

to tra$el to the moon (( a mere 2>, [two hundred and fifty thousand] miles away. 'ime isnot linear, nor is s%ace. 4%ace is cur$ed, as your %hysicists ha$e recently learned, but it can beartificially cur$ed throu#h dis%lacement ener#y fields that colla%se s%ace and the illusion ofdistance. ;i#ht %articles do not dis%lace or colla%se s%ace, they ride a linear line throu#h s%ace,but there are forms of electroma#netic ener#y that can modify or colla%se s%ace. And thistechnolo#y maes s%ace tra$el (( e$en between #ala*ies (( not only %ossible, but also relati$elyeasy.

"nne: +Why did you say, )your %hysicists) /ust then+

Dr! "nderson: +I a%olo#i:e . . . [((] it)s /ust a %art of the conditionin# of bein# isolated frommainstream society. When you o%erate for 1 [thirty] years in a secret or#ani:ation lie the;abyrinth


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"nne: +I didn)t mean to critici:e you. It)s /ust the way you said it, it sounded as thou#h an alienor an outsider said it.+

Dr! "nderson: +I &ualify as an outsider, but certainly not an alien.+

"nne: +3ay, bac to this %ro%hecy or alien race. What do they want I mean . . . [((] whytra$el such a far distance to rule earth+

Dr! "nderson: +'his seems such a funny &uestion to me. 6*cuse me for lau#hin#. It)s /ust thathumans do not understand how s%ecial earth is. It is truly, as %lanets are concerned, a s%ecial%lanet. It has such a tremendous bio(di$ersity and a com%le* ran#e of ecosystems. Its naturalresources are uni&ue and %lentiful. It)s a #enetic library that)s the e&ui$alent of a #alactic :oo.

+'he aliens that are comin# ['he Animus] desire to own this %lanet and add it to its coloni:ation%lans [in order to own its #enetics]. As I)$e already mentioned, this is a synthetic race. As%ecies that can clone itself and fabricate more and more of its %o%ulation to ser$e the %ur%oseof its coloni:ation %ro#ram. "owe$er, it desires more di$ersity, and earth will re%resent an

o%%ortunity for it to di$ersify [than the e*%ansion of its em%ire. It desires to become a soulcarrier (( somethin# reser$ed for %ure biolo#ical or#anisms. 4ynthetic or#anisms are not able tocarry the hi#her fre&uencies of soul, which absolutely re&uire an or#anic ner$ous system.]+

[4arah +4o they want a soul+

Dr. Neruda +'hey want to e*%and throu#hout the uni$erse and de$elo% their or#anic naturethrou#h #enetic reen#ineerin#. 'hey want to become soul carriers in order to achie$eimmortality. 'hey also want to %ro$e what they already belie$e, that they are su%erior to allother %ure or#anics.+]

"nne: +4o where are they ri#ht now+

[Dr. Neruda +'he Animus+

4arah +-es.+]

Dr! "nderson: +I assume they remain in their homeworld . . . [((] to the best of our nowled#ethey ha$en)t crossed into our #ala*y yet.+

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memory of the race. 6ssentially, con$ince them that of all the wonderful, life(inhabited #ala*ies,the 5ily Way is a %oor choice. 'he ;abyrinth


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+@emember when I was talin# about the #alactic mind+

"nne: +-es.+

Dr! "nderson: +'here are %lanetary minds, solar minds, #alactic minds, and a sin#ular

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"nne: +3ay, this is #ettin# a little too %hiloso%hical for my tastes. 0an we return to a &uestionabout the Win#5aers If, as you say, there)s a #alactic federation that #o$erns the 5ily Way,how do the Win#5aers factor into this federation+

Dr! "nderson: +I)m im%ressed by the nature of your &uestions. And I wish I could answerthem all, but here a#ain, I don)t now the answer. I would assume the federation and theWin#5aers o%erate in unison and ha$e a mutually beneficial relationshi%, but I)m not . . . +

"nne: +But if you can use your remote $iewin# technolo#y to ea$esdro% on this alien race in anentirely different #ala*y, why can)t you obser$e the Win#5aers and the [8]federation+

Dr! "nderson: +Actually, we)$e tried our remote $iewin# technolo#y on the Win#5aers. It wasone of the first thin#s we tried. But we #ot nothin#. In fact, it was the first time when ourtechnolo#y was com%letely ineffecti$e. We assumed that the Win#5aers had de$elo%ed someform of security that %re$ented remote $iewin#. But we weren)t sure.

+As for the [8]federation, they)re fully aware of our remote $iewin# ca%ability, and in fact, we

can)t ea$esdro% on the [8]federation because they)re able to detect our %resence if we obser$ethem throu#h remote $iewin#. 4o, in deference to their %ri$acy and trustin# their a#enda, wene$er im%osed our technolo#y on the [8]federation . . . [((] %erha%s only once or twice.+

"nne: +-ou)ll ha$e to for#i$e me Dr. Anderson [Neruda], but I find all of this a little hard tobelie$e. We)$e simmed the surface of about a hundred different sub/ects throu#h the course ofthis inter$iew, and I ee% comin# bac to the same basic issue Why Why would the uni$ersebe set u% this way and no one on earth now about it Why all the secrecy Does someonethin we humans are so stu%id that we couldn)t understand it And who the hell is thissomebody+

Dr! "nderson: +?nfortunately, there are so many cons%iracies to ee% this $ital information outof the %ublic domain, that what ends u% in the hands of the %ublic is diluted to the %oint ofuselessness. I can understand your frustration. I can only tell you that there are %eo%le whonow about these thin#s, but only 8ifteen nows about the lar#er reality of what we)$e touchedon toni#ht.

+In other words, and this is to your %oint, Anne [4arah], there are some %eo%le within themilitary, #o$ernment, secret networ, N4A, 0IA, etc. that now %arts of the whole, but theydon)t understand the whole. 'hey aren)t e&ui%%ed with the nowled#e to stand before themedia and e*%lain what)s ha%%enin#. 'hey fear that they would be made to a%%ear feeble bythe fact that they only now %ieces of what)s #oin# on. It)s lie the story of the three blind menwho are all touchin# different %arts of an ele%hant and each thins it is somethin# different.

+8ifteen withholds his nowled#e from the media and the #eneral %ublic because he doesn)twant to be seen as a sa$ior of humanity (( the ne*t messiah. And he es%ecially doesn)t want tobe seen as some frin#e lunatic who should be loced u%, or worse yet, assassinated because heis so misunderstood. 'he instant he ste%%ed forward with what he nows, he would lose his%ri$acy and his ability to disco$er B4'. And this he)ll ne$er do.

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+5ost %eo%le who now about this #reater reality are fearful of ste%%in# into the %ublic scrutinybecause of the fear of bein# ridiculed. -ou ha$e to admit, that the #eneral %ublic is fri#htenedby what it doesn)t understand, and they do ill the messen#er.+

"nne: +But why can)t we #et e$en %artial truths about this %icture of reality . . . [((] about 6'sand the federation 4omeone, the media or #o$ernment or someone else is ee%in# thisinformation from us. ;ie the story you were tellin# me about the 5artians. If this is true and0linton nows about this, why aren)t we bein# told+

Dr! "nderson: +'here)s a cynical %art of me that would say somethin# lie . . . [((] why do youwatch si* hours of tele$ision e$ery day Why do you feed your minds e*clusi$ely with theo%inions of others Why do you trust your %oliticians Why do you trust your #o$ernmentsWhy do you su%%ort the destruction of your ecosystems and the com%anies and #o$ernmentsthat %er%etrate this destruction

+-ou see, because the whole of humanity allows these thin#s to occur, the wool is %ulled o$eryour eyes and it)s easy to ration information and direct your attention to mundane affairs lie

the weather and "ollywood.+

"nne: +'hat)s fine for you to say (( someone who)s IK can)t be charted. But for those of us witha$era#e intelli#ence, what are we su%%osed to do differently that would #i$e us access to thisinformation . . . [((] to this lar#er reality+

Dr! "nderson: +I don)t now. I honestly don)t now. I don)t %retend to ha$e the answers. Butsomehow humans need to be more demandin# of their #o$ernments and e$en the media.Because the media is a bi# %art of this mani%ulation, thou#h they)re not aware of how they)$ebecome %awns of the information co$er(u%.

+'he truth of the matter is that no one entity is to blame. 6litists ha$e always e*isted since thedawn of man. 'here ha$e always been those who had more a##ression and %ower and woulddominate the weaer of the s%ecies. 'his is the fundamental structure that has bred thiscondition of information co$er(u%, and it ha%%ens in e$ery sector of society, includin# reli#ion,#o$ernment, military, science, academia, and business.

+No one created this %layin# field to be le$el and e&ual for all. It was desi#ned to enable freewill and reality selection based on indi$idual %references. And for those who ha$e the mentalca%acity to %robe into these secrets behind the secrets behind the secrets, they usually find%ieces of this lar#er reality (( as you %ut it. It)s not entirely hidden . . . [((] there are boos andindi$iduals and e$en %ro%hesies that corroborate much of what I)$e s%oen of here toni#ht. Andthese are readily a$ailable to anyone who wants to understand this lar#er uni$erse in which weli$e.

+4o, to answer your &uestion ) . . . what are we su%%osed to do differently) I would read andstudy. I would in$est time learnin# about this lar#er uni$erse and turn off the tele$ision anddisconnect from the media. 'hat)s what I would do . . . +

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"nne: +5aybe this is a #ood %lace to wra% thin#s u%. ?nless you ha$e anythin# else you)d lieto add.+

Dr! "nderson: +3nly one thin#, and that is that if anyone e$er reads this inter$iew, %lease doso with an em%ty mind. If you brin# a mind full of learnin# and education and o%inion, you)llfind so much to ar#ue with in what I)$e said that you)ll not hear anythin#. And I)m notinterested in ar#uin# with anyone. I)m not e$en that interested in con$incin# anyone of whatI)$e said. 5y life will #o on e$en if no one belie$es me.

+'he Win#5aers ha$e built a time ca%sule of their culture and it)s ma#nificent. I wish I couldtae %eo%le to the ori#inal site so they could stand before each of the 21 [twenty(three]chambers and witness these wall %aintin#s in %erson. If you were to do this, you wouldunderstand that art can be a %ortal that trans%orts the soul to a different dimension. 'here is acertain ener#y that these %aintin#s ha$e that can)t be translated in mere %hoto#ra%hs. -oureally need to stand inside these chambers and feel the %ur%oseful nature of this time ca%sule.

+I thin if I could do that, you would belie$e e$erythin# I)$e said.+

"nne: +0ould you tae someone lie me to the site+

Dr! "nderson: +No. ?nfortunately, the security system surroundin# this site is so so%histicated,the site [entrance], for all intents and %ur%oses, is in$isible. All I ha$e are my %hoto#ra%hs . . ..+

"nne: +-ou)re sayin# that if I waled ri#ht u% to the site, I wouldn)t be able to see it+

Dr! "nderson: +0loain# technolo#y is not /ust a science fiction conce%t. It)s been de$elo%edfor more than years. It)s used much more fre&uently than %eo%le reali:e. And I)m not talin#

about its diluted $ersion of stealth technolo#yC I)m talin# about the ability to su%erim%ose areality construction o$er an e*istin# reality that is [that)s] desired to be hidden.

+8or instance, you could wal ri#ht u% to the entrance of the Ancient Arrow site and see nothin#that would loo lie an entrance or o%enin#. 'o the obser$er it would be a flat wall of roc. Andit would ha$e all the characteristics of roc (( te*ture, hardness and so forth, but it)s actually areality construction that is su%erim%osed on the mind of the obser$er. In reality the entrance isthere, but it can)t be obser$ed because the mind has been du%ed into the %ro/ected realityconstruction.+

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another scientist comes alon# and dis%ro$es the %re$iously held theory. And on and on this#oes.+

"nne: +4o what)s your %oint+

Dr! "nderson: +roof is not absolute. It)s not e$en ob/ecti$e. And what you)re looin# for is ane*%erience that is %ermanent and %erfect in its e*%ression of truth. And such an e*%erience, if itindeed e*ists, is not owned or %ossessed by any secret networ or elitist or#ani:ation or #alacticfederation for that matter.

+-ou could ha$e this e*%erience of absolute %roof tomorrow, and the $ery ne*t day, doubtwould be#in to cree% in and in a matter of wees or months this %roof or absolute truth thatyou as%ire to %ossess . . . [((] it would be /ust a memory. And %robably not e$en a %owerfulmemory because so much doubt would be infused into it.

+No, I can)t #i$e you or anyone absolute %roof. I can only tell you what I now to be true for meand try to share it as accurately as I now how with anyone who)s interested. I)m less

interested in tryin# to relate the cosmolo#y of the uni$erse than I am in #ettin# the story of theWin#5aers and [the artifacts of] their time ca%sule into the %ublic attention. 'he %ublic shouldnow about this story. It)s a disco$ery of un%aralleled im%ortance and it should be shared.+

"nne: +-ou do reali:e don)t you, that you)$e made me the messen#er -ou)$e ased me to bethe one who taes the %ublic scrutiny and sus%icions, and has to endure all of the ridicule . . . +

Dr! "nderson: +I)m not asin# you to do anythin# a#ainst your will, Anne. If you ne$er doanythin# with the materials I)$e #i$en you, I)d understand. All I)d as is that you return them tome if you)re not #oin# to #et them out. If I ste% forward as the messen#er, I would lose myfreedom. If you ste% forward, this story could cata%ult your career and you)re only doin# your

/ob. -ou)re not the messen#er, you)re the transmitter . . . [((] the media.

+But you must do what you thin best. And I)d understand your decision whate$er you decide.+

"nne: +3ay, let)s wra% it u% there. I don)t want you to #et the wron# im%ression that I)m atotal disbelie$er. But I)m a /ournalist and it)s my res%onsibility to $alidate and cross chec storiesbefore I %ublish them. And with you, I can)t do this. And what you)re tellin# me, if it)s true, isthe bi##est story e$er to be told. But I can)t tae this to the media (( at least not the com%any Iwor for, because they would ne$er %ublish it. No $alidation . . . [((] no story.

Dr! "nderson: +-es, I understand. But I)$e shown you some of the A0I3 technolo#ies and%hotos of the site and its contents, so these must be some form of $alidation.+

"nne: +8or me it is, but it doesn)t $alidate all the many claims you)$e made toni#ht. 8or all Inow, this "olo#ra%hic 8ractal 3b/ect technolo#y you showed me is not so unusual ore*traordinary. I)m not a #ood /ud#e of these thin#s. And e$en if it were, it certainly doesn)t$alidate the e*istence of a #alactic federation or the Win#5aers for that matter. [8or me, it$alidates that somethin# is #oin# on that I)$e ne$er heard about. Namely, the A0I3 is a new

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or#ani:ation that)s ne$er been taled about (( at least not in my /ournalistic circles. But your%hoto#ra%hs and stories don)t $alidate what you)$e e*%lained toni#ht. 'hey)re in the cate#ory ofteasers. 4omethin# the National 6n&uirer is fond of broadcastin#, but this isn)t the brand of/ournalism I subscribe to.+

Dr. Neruda +;et)s tal some more in the ne*t few days. 'ae the time to read some of thematerials translated from the o%tical disc, and in the meantime, /ust be neutral. 3ay+

4arah +Don)t assume I)m not interested, or too much a se%tic to do anythin# with this stuff. I/ust need some time to #et my bearin#s as to what I should do with this story and the e$idenceyou)$e %ro$ided.+]

Dr! "nderson: +Well . . . %erha%s you)re ri#ht . . . we should end this inter$iew. I %romised youse$eral inter$iews before I left. Are we still on for tomorrow ni#ht+

"nne: +-es.[But how more is there than what you)$e already e*%lained+

Dr. Neruda +We)$e only touched on the surface of a small %ortion of the story.+

4arah +'hat)s a little hard to belie$e, but let)s %ic u% tomorrow ni#ht, then.+]

Dr! "nderson: +'hans for your interest in my story, Anne [4arah]... I now it sounds fancifuland outlandish, but at least you)$e shown restraint in writin# me off as a lunatic. And for that,you ha$e my thans.

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