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    HIRING

    WhyIWontHireYou

    BYCHARLIEBALMERJAN16,20121:30PM

    Ifyou'veeverhired

    anyoneforajob,youunderstandawholenewperspectiveonwhatmakes

    anapplicantstandoutandwhatmakesyoutossanapplicationtothebin.

    Fairornot,blogger,consultant,andhirerCharlieBalmerdiscusses

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    honestlythemistakesthatcanruinyourchanceswithapotentialemployer.

    PhotobyStockLite(Shutterstock).

    Iwillbe

    veryhonestwithyouinthispost.Mostinterviewarticlesonlyshowobvious

    mistakes,

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    asifmostpeopledon'tknowshowinguplateisbadform.IwilltellyouthethingsIdidn'treallyknowabout

    untilIwastheoneinterviewing,andinterviewingforavarietyofpositions

    andperson-types.Nointerviewpreparticleeverpreparedmeintherightway

    forhowinterviewersreallythink.ThatiswhatIwill

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    besharingwithyoutoday.

    Whenyoufirstwalkintomyoffice,Iamexpectingyoutobeoneofthe

    99%+peoplewhoIknowIwon'thireinthefirst5

    minutes.IamhopingIwillbeprovenwrong,becauseIreallywant

    tohireyouandbedoneinterviewing.Unfortunately,mostpeople

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    lookingforjobsdon'tdeservethem.HerearethemostcommonwaysIknowyoudon'tdeserveanyjobIhavetooffer.

    Yousendmeastupidlylongresume

    IfIhave

    tospendmorethan30secondsfindingoutwhatyouhaveaccomplished,forget

    it.Youhaveannoyedme.Somehow,sinceresumeswentdigital,

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    peoplefeelliketheycancramin10pagesofboringessaystalkingaboutthisachievementorthatrole,andexpectmetoread

    everyjuicyword.Morelikely,Iwillignorethewholething,writedown

    inmynotes"poorcommunicator",andmoveon.Ifyouhavea

    goodsetofskillsorsomethingcatchesmyeye,you

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    mightstillgetaninterview,butI'llstillneverreadtheresume.Andyouhadbetterbeabettercommunicatoronthephoneor

    inperson.

    Thinkaboutitthiswaytheresumeitems

    communicatetomeyourpastsuccessesina(supposedly)succinctmanner.Ifyou

    can'tnailitinonesentence,doIreallywant

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    tolookforwardtoyourramblingemailseveryday?IfIcan'treadyourresume,itdoesn'tbodewellforyouremails,andI

    getenoughofthoseinmyinboxasitis.

    To

    craftagreatresume,tailorittomyjobposting.IfIhave

    askillsetintherelike"WindowsAdministration",make

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    sureyouhaveatleastonebulletpointtalkingaboutsuccessinaprojectwhereyouusedthatskill.Makethebulletnolonger

    thanthreesentences.Oneisbetter.Iamlikelytoreadonesentence.

    Imightreadthree.MorethanthatandIwon'tevenknowwhat

    youwrotethere.Youwastedmytimeandyourown.

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    Youcan'ttellmewhyyoulikeyourcurrentjob

    Ialwaysaskpeoplewhattheylikemostabouttheir

    currentjobbeforeIgetintoanydetailsaboutarole.Why?I

    wanttoseeifyou'llbehappyworkinginthisnewjob.If

    youcan'ttellme

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    anythingyoulike,oryoutellmesomethingyoulikebutitsoundsreallygeneric?Thenforgetit,Ihavenoideawhat

    youwanttodoinlifeandyouprobablydon'teither.Comesee

    mewhenyouknowwhatyouwanttodo.Iwouldevenbe

    happywithsomethinglike"Well,thisjobdoesn'tenlivenme,

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    butmylastjob,IloveddoingXXXeveryday,andman,Imissthat.Itlookslikethisrolewillletmeget

    backtothat."Letmeknowyou'repassionateordon'twastemy

    time.

    Theworstanswers?"WellIlikethechallenge"orsome

    otherBS.Don'tBSme.IhaveasuperBS

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    detector,andmostotherinterviewersdotoo.TheworstBSisthekindwheremorethan50%ofcandidatessaythesamething.If

    youcan'tbeoriginalaboutwhatyoulikeaboutyouruniquejobhow

    canIexpectyoutobecreativeworkingforme?

    If

    youhaveagenericanswerlikeyouenjoylearning,the

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    challenge,helpingcustomers,thatcanbealright.Justsoundexcitedwhenyoutalkaboutit.Givemeanexampleofatimewhenyou

    gotreallyfiredupaboutit.Idon'tmindifitdoesn'trelate

    tothejobIaminterviewingyoufor,thoughthathelps.Justexpect

    metoaskwhyyouthinkthisjobwillgive

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    youthesamepassionandhaveagoodanswerready.Really,whyelseareyouapplyingifyoudon'tknowthis?

    Nocareerplansorvision

    WhenIaskyouwhatyour

    nextroleisgoingtobeaftertheoneyou'reinterviewingfor,you

    hadbetterhaveagoodanswer.Everyoneshouldhavea

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    storyaboutwhyyouwanttocomeworkforme,inthisspecificrole.Ifyoucantellmehowthisrolehelpsyou

    accomplishyourlongtermgoals,I'mmuchmorelikelytothinkyou'llbe

    happyhereandworkhardinthejob.Ifyoujustwanta

    job,whyshouldIcare?Someoneelsewillcometo

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    mewiththeirvision.Eventually.

    Agoodanswerisawellthoughtoutvision.Youshouldhavethatanyway.Hereisa

    goodexample:"Iamlookingtomoveawayfromworkinginmy

    currentsmallcompanytoabiggercompanywithmorecareergrowthandopportunities.

    Iwanttorisetoanexecutivelevelinthe

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    next10years,butmycurrentcompanyistoosmalltoallowmetostretcheffectivelyinthatway.[Thisrole]buildsonmy

    strengthsincommunicationandprojectmanagement,andwillhelpmegrowasa

    leaderandimprovemyinfluencingskills.Inafewyears,Iwouldlook

    tobecomingaseniormanager"andonwithhow

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    thisrolefitsintoyourlifevision.

    NoSkills

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    Please,don'tbotherapplyingifyoudon'thavetherequiredskills.Iwillknow.Ifyou'llbeprogramming,expecttoprograminthe

    interview.Andprogramwell.Ifyou'llbeprojectmanaging,youhadbetterbe

    abletotellmeabouttherightwaytobuildaprojectplan

    andprojectvision.I'llprobablyevendescribeaprojectand

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    askyoutobuildaplanrightthere,withme.Justbecausethetitlehassomethinginityouvaguelythinkyoucando,

    ifyoudon'tmeettherequirements,pleasedon'twastemytime.Imight

    beokifyouareupfrontwithmeandtellmeyou

    wantacareerchangeandarewillingtotakea

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    morejuniorpositiontolearn.Imighttakeachanceonyouifeverythingelseissolid.Buttellmethatinyourresume

    sowedon'twastetime.Yes,tellingmethatinyourresumeimproves

    yourchancesofgettinghired,evenifnotnecessarilyforthisjobor

    winninganinterview.Iwon'tclaimthisistruefor

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    allinterviewers,butitistrueforme.

    It'saboutsettingexpectations.Ifyoucomein,andmyexpectationis,forinstance,

    thatyouknowUnixadministration,andthenyoutellme"Well,Iread

    abookandIreallywanttolearnit",no,Iwon't

    likethat.Ifinsteadyouputinyourresumean

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    objectiveline"LookingtogrowskillsinUnixadministrationfromaprojectbackground",nowweareonthesamepage.IfIdon't

    needanexpertrightnow,maybeIwillinvestintrainingyousince

    youhavethevisionandself-motivation.Oh,anddescribingwhatyouaredoing

    toprepareisalsogood,evenifyoudon'thave

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    onthejobexperience.Seehowtheexpectationcanchangemyperspective?Givemehappysurprises,notunhappysurprises.

    Answermyquestions

    withconjecture

    Iwilltestyouinalotofways.

    Iwillaskyoutodescribealotofsituationswhereyou

    failed,whereyousucceeded,whatyouwouldchange,whatyou

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    hateandwhatyoulove.Don'tsitthereandtellmewhatyouwoulddointhefuture.Ididn'taskwhatyouwould

    do,Iaskedwhatyoudid.IfIhavetowaitforyou

    tofinishtalking,thensay"Couldyougivemeaspecificexamplewhere

    youdidsomethinglikethat?"Thenyouhavefailed

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    toanswermyquestion.IfIaskforanexample,pleasegivemeone.Ifyoudon'thaveone,that'sok,tellmeyou

    haveneverbeeninthatsituation,butyouhavesomeideasifI

    wouldliketohearthem.Yes,Iprobablywouldliketohearthem,

    butImightalsohaveanotherquestionwithdifferentexamples

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    Iwouldratherknowabout.

    Ifyoudon'tthinkwellonyourfeet,spendsometimereadingthroughandpracticingsituationalinterview

    questions.Iwon'teveruseoneIseeonline,butitwillhelp

    trainyourmindtoanswer,andgiveyoufreshmemoriestodrawfrom.

    Ialsodon'tmindwhenacandidatepausestothink.

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    Iwillwait.Iknoweveryonehasdifferentstylesofthinkingand

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    ineverycase,fromhiringajanitortoanexecutive.

    Showmeyoucangetthingsdone.Thismeansyoucan

    accomplishchallengingtasksquickly,comeuptospeedwhennecessary,gotheextra

    mileifyouhaveto,influencepeers.Youmustbeself-motivated.Showme

    youareintelligent.Iwillaskyouquestionsthatare

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    designedtomakeyouthink.Showmeyoucan.Don'tconfuseintelligencewitheducation.Idon'tcarewhatkindofschoolingyouhad,if

    youcan'tthink,nojob.Ifyoucanthink,andaren'teducated,no

    probleminmybook,thoughI'llprobablylookformoreexperienceinstead.Show

    mehowIfitintoyourvision.Truthfully,we'llwork

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    besttogetherifyouthinkthisjobisthebestplaceforyoutoberightnow.Iwanttohelpyousucceedin

    yourcareer,letme.Behighlyskilled.Unfortunately,Idon'thireawesomepeople

    whodon'thavetherightskillmix.ButIdokeeptheirinformation

    aroundforwhenIneedtheirskillmix.Ialso

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    similarjobsomewhereelse,you'llbeboredwithme.Period.Idon'twantanyofthat.TheEnd

    Mostofthestuff

    IamtalkingaboutherehasnothingtodowithGolemTechnologies,but

    moreaboutwhatitisliketohireinthefirstplace.There

    aresomanyarticlesouttherewithbadadvicefor

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    boththosehiringandthosetryingtobehired,Iwantedtoinjectsomerawhonestyintotheequation.Ifyouarelookingto

    hirepeople,thenIwouldrecommendyouusemy5pointsaboveto

    screenpeople.Asformehiring,no,Iamnotcurrentlyhiring,so

    pleasedon'taskme.WhenIamhiringthough,and

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    ifyouhappentoapply,theaboveisthecriteriaI

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    willusetodecide.

    Thisistrueacrossbusinessfunctionsandacrosscompanies.ThepeoplewhohavethestuffIlisted

    towintheinterviewwillgetjobstheywantconsistently.Ifyouare

    lackingsomething,thenfigureoutawaytogetthere.Justhavinga

    planputsyouaheadof99%ofjobcandidates.I

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    alsolikegivingpeopleachancewhenevertheyletme,aslongasIhavetheflexibilitytodoso.Sofar,Ihaven't

    beendisappointed.

    Doyouhavehiringwarstories(interviewerorinterviewee)

    ?Sharetheminthecomments!

    WhyIWon'tHireYou

    |GolemTechnologies

    CharlieBalmerisanentrepreneur,

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    HowCanIMakeSureMyResumeGetsPastResumeRobotsandintoaHuman'sHand?DISCUSSIONTHREADSFEATUREDALLSTARTANEWTHREAD

    timgrayMon16Jan20122:27PM

    WHYI

    WONTAPPLYFORYOURJOB..

    1-requiremetofill

    outyourcompany's"application"thatsimplyrepeatsalltheinformation

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    thatisonmyresume.Whyareyoushowingmethatyourcompanyismoreinterestedinbusyworkthanskills?Youwillnevereven

    lookatthe"application",itisawasteofeveryone'stime.

    2-Requireyetanotherlogintopostmyresumetoyourcompany's

    website.yourcompanyisnotspecial,whyareyoucluttering

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    upyourownserverswiththesillyloginsforpeoplethatwillneverbeusedagain?HiresomecompetentITpeopleanddesigna

    resumesubmissionsystemthatdoesnotrequireaun-neededloginforthemto

    havetoremember.ThebestoneIhaveseenemailedthesubmittera

    pincodeandallowedthemtologinwiththeiremailand

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    pincodeiftheyeverneededtoupdatetheresume.

    3-Postridiculousrequirements.30+yearsinjava,astronautthathasbeen

    inspace10times,hasgod'scellphonenumber.Ifyouarelettingthe

    idiotsinHRwritethejobdescriptionatleasttakesometimefrom

    golforyourfantasyfootballtoproofreadthejobposition.

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    Itjustmakesyoulooklikeaveryuneducatedmanager,abigredflagfortherealprofessionals.

    4-Donotpost

    asalaryrange.Youwantmetowastemytimetofindout

    youarepaying30%underindustryaverage?Behonestandpostthesalary

    rangesoyougetrealprofessionalsthatdon'twantto

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    wasteourtimetoapply.

    Theabovearethereasonsthatmostcompaniesget5000resumesormoreforasingleposition

    thatarenotwhattheyarelookingfor.Mostlybecausethehiringmanager

    isincompetentatwritingaproperjobposting.TheHRdepartmentthinkthey

    aregodlike.Andeveryonethinkstheircompanyissogood

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    theydon'thavetogiveanyrealinformationabouttheposition.

    Wantabetterlistofhirestochoosefrom?Dothe

    aboveandlooklikearespectablecompanytoworkfor.

    Honestly,

    ifyouwanttopnotchprofessionals,youhavetolookgoodenoughfor

    ustoapply.

    ian.g.case@timgray

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    Alsothis,thisandmorethis.

    zakany001@timgray

    Interviewsaretwo-waycommunications.Manycompaniesdon'tunderstandthat.promotedby

    SteveClimaco

    [email protected]:

    "Whenyoufirstwalkintomyoffice,Iamexpectingyou

    tobeoneofthe99%+peoplewhoI

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    knowIwon'thireinthefirst5minutes."

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    Try:

    Whenyoufirstwalkintomyoffice,Iknowwithinthefirst5minutesifyou'regoingtobeone

    ofthe99%Iwon'thire.

    IfMYfirstinstinctis

    toedityourwritingforclarity,youmightneedmemorethanyou

    thought.Perhaps"obvious"mistakesaren'tobvioustoeveryone.

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    DaveyNC@timgrayBingo.Especiallythesalaryrange.Whyemployersholdthatbackuntileverybodyhasputinlotsoftimeandhadmultiple

    interviewshasalwaysbeenamysterytome.Isupposetheyliketo

    thinkthattheircompanyissuchawonderfulplacetoworkthatthey

    wanttoseewhowantstoworktherewithoutthe

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    wewilldecideifwewanttolearnmoreaboutyou.

    jp182@DaveyNCIthinkplacesdothatwhentheyREALLY

    wanttopaybeforetheindustryaverage.Thiswaytheycantryto

    ropepeopleintotakingalowersalary.

    JohannSchmidt@timgray

    #3IloveitwhenIfind

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    jobpostingswithridiculousrequirements.IoncefoundapostingforMicrosoftthatrequiredanumberofyearsexperiencewithacodelanguagethat

    actuallyexceededtheageofthelanguageitself.

    Butreallyif

    HRistiredofsomanyapplicationsbeingsentintheyneedto

    bemorespecific/detailedintheirjobposting.Hellifthe

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    personisbeinghiredtoworkonaprojectsaywhattheprojectisabout.

    promotedbySteveClimaco

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    DearZeus@timgray

    Every.Single.One.

    MayIalsoadd:

    3a-Ifyoupostedajobforan

    entrylevelpositiondonotsayIneed5yearsofexperience.Also

    donotsaythejobisperfectforthoserightoutofcollege

    andstillwant5yearsofexperience.Iwasso

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    tellmewhy.Idon'texpectahugeletterthattellsmewhy,butasentenceortwoinanemailwon'tkillyou

    (unlessyouhave500applicants,butthenyoulikelydidnotinterviewall

    ofthem.)IfIalso,"growupandaskthemmyself",

    actuallyrespondtomeinsteadofignoreme.Imay

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    rejectmebecausehemistookmy5-year-planfora6-month-planandtoldtheHRmanager,whowasreadytohireme,thatIwasn't

    worthitifIwasonlygoingtostaytherefor6months.

    TheHRmanagerapologizedaftershefoundoutthetruthbutsadlythe

    jobwasgone.

    Kamatari+approvedthiscomment

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    dollen@katiew

    Whileagoodandvalidpointkatiew,thisiswhylifehacker.comismockedas"LifeHaters."

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    jamescobalt@timgrayHasGawkermadeastatementonwhywecan't+1/like/thums-up/etccomments?Causeseriously,+1timesathousandforMrGray's.

    yalestar@katiewTheimperiousandarroganttoneofthisarticle

    reallypissedmeoff.Therearevalidpointshere,butIwishmore

    employerswouldcometorealizethatthiswhole"I'mGod,

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    andyoubegmefortheprivilegeofinterviewinghere,andIfullyexpectyoutofail"dynamicisn'thelpinganyone.Thisapproachto

    interviewingandhiringissuretogetyoutoadiesandpeoplewhoare

    goodatbeingobsequious.Talentedpeoplewon'ttoleratethiskindofthingfor

    verylong.

    Also:Spelloutwholenumbersthat

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    aresmallerthanten,e.g.:"Whenyoufirstwalkintomyoffice,Iknowwithinthefirstfiveminutes...";)

    katiew@yalestarHee,verytrue.Also,onreflection,I'dediteven

    furtherbydeletingoneofthe"firsts.""Whenyouwalkintomy

    office,Iknowwithinthefirstfiveminutes..."

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    Kamatari+@DearZeusF***ingapproving.Thumbsupstoppedworkingformelongago.PlusIagreethehelloutofwhatyou're

    saying.

    DearZeus@Kamatari+Hahathankyou!Idon't

    commentheremuchbutIhadtoonthisonebecausetimgraywas

    so,soright.

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    Kamatari+@DearZeus

    Ihonestlythinkeveryonenotagreeingwiththisguyisright.Idon'tmeanthat

    inamob

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    mentalityway,buthonestly,Hiringmanagerslikethispersonstraightupfailtotakeintoaccountthatontheothersideofthe

    applicationprocess,WEAREFREAKINGHUMANLIKEYOU.

    brianbrereton@katiew

    That'snotwhathesaid,orwhathemeant.

    RvLeshrac@DaveyNC+1forsalaryrange.I'venot

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    givenafuckabout"theprocess"forawhilenow,andaskforthepayupfront.IfIhavetodriveacrosstown

    andsitintrafficforthreehourseveryday,Ineedtoknow

    thatyou'repayingmeenoughtofillupthetankandmaintainmy

    car,aswellascoverthefactthatI'mspreading

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    mypayacrossallthatextratime.

    promotedbyDaveyNC

    cyclocrossmechanic@DearZeus

    Withregardsto#

    5there'sareasoncompanieswon'tsaywhytheydidn'thireyou:lawsuits.

    Thisisespeciallytrueforlargercompanies-thebiggeryouarethebigger

    atargetyoubecome.Assomeonewhohasbeena

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    recruiterandahiringmanagerI'vehadseveraltimeswhereI'dlovetohavetoldapersonwhytheyblewitinaninterview

    butwasstrictlyprohibitedfromdoingso.Oftenit'sbeenduetosomething

    thatapersoncouldprobablyimproveinwithsomeeffort.Ifyouget

    rejectedfollowinganin-personinterviewdon'tbeafraidtoask

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    therecruiterforareasyoucouldimprovein.Don'tdothisinanemail-pickupthephoneandcallthem.They'remorelikely

    tobehonestwithyouoverthephoneand"offtherecord".

    I'vegivenadvicetopeoplefollowinginterviewsbecauseIknowthey'reotherwisesharp

    peoplewhosimplydon'tinterviewwellormakeeasilycorrected

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    mistakes.Interviewingisaskillandifyourjobdoesn'trequirefrequentinteractionswithstrangersthenyou'regoingtohaveahardertimeinterviewing.

    Alsobeawarethatastheeconomyrecoverstherewillbemore*quality*

    candidates***outtherecompetingforthesamejobssoitisvery

    likelythattheothercandidatesimplyhadmoreexperienceor

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    greaterexpertiseinagivenarea.

    ***it'sabitofamyththathigherunemploymentcreatesmorecompetitionforjobs.

    Whileitmakessenseitignoreshumannature.Whilethenumberofapplicants

    goesupthatdoesn'tmeanthenumberofqualifiedcandidatesgoesup.When

    theeconomyistankingthepeople

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    whostillhavejobswillclingtothemratherthanrollthedicebychangingjobs.ThismakesitMUCHhardertorecruit

    passivecandidates(whoareusuallytopperformersandthusthemostdesired)

    promotedbySteveClimaco

    Guvmint_Cheese@timgrayIcannotspeak

    forallcompaniesre:#4,butthereasontheydon't

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    doitatmineisbecausetheyareusuallywillingtoexceedtherangeforapersonwhoisaperfectfitforthe

    positionandbringsexperiencethatexceedstherequirements.Theydonotwantto

    scarethosepeopleoffwhomightbeatajobwithahigher

    salarythantherangefromapplying.Thiswastruefor

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    mewhenIcametoworkforthem,andIactuallytookasmallpaycuttotakethepositionbecauseitofferedbetter

    work/lifebalanceandisoneofthetopplacestoworkinthe

    industry.

    Re:#1,mycompanyusesathirdpartyapplicationto

    manageapplicantsandresumes.Theprofileyoufillouton

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    thewebsiteisactuallyyourapplicationforemployment,sothereisnoadditionalpaperworktofilloutforthatiftheyhireyou.If

    you'regoodenough,andthepositionishardtofill,youcouldprobably

    getawaywithfillingoutminimalinformationontheprofileandjustattaching

    yourresume.Mostpeople,andpositions,don'tfitthisprofile.

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    Ithinkittookme15minutestofillitoutontheirwebsite,andhonestlyifthisistooonerousforanapplicant,

    Idoubtwewouldwanttohirethemanyway.

    rmagere1

    @katiew

    ActuallyIdonotthinkthatyourrewritecaptureswhat

    theoriginalposteractuallymeant.

    Yourrewritestates

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    notgetthejob(reasonableassumptionassoonas3+peopleapplytothesameposition)and(b)thatmostofthemgetthemselves

    outofthe"hiring"groupwithinashorttimeframeduetothings

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    theycouldhaveprevented(possiblytrue/possiblynot)

    Theemphasisofyourrewriteison(asIreadit-might

    bedifferentonothers)"Iamjustanotherpower-hypedmanagerwhocomes

    upwithbroadlyspeakinggeneralisationsabouthowbadmostpeopleareforjobs"

    Hencethetwostatementsarenotthesame

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    atall(oratleastwhenIreadthemtheydonotconveythesamemessage)

    Moon@jamescobalt

    Because

    wedon'twantanotherDigg.

    brentbuchh@timgrayAgree!

    [email protected]..."expecting"and"

    Iknow"couldbearguedtohaveaslightlydifferent

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    leveloffinality.Andreorganizingthesentenceyourwayonlychangestheorder,nottheclarity.Hissentencewasfine.

    paolo.scaramuzzino

    @timgray

    WHYIAMSKIPPINGHEADHUNTERS

    Youareso

    rightTimgray.

    Ihaveevenstoppedapplyingforpoststhatinvolve

    recruitersorheadhunters.

    Afternearly20yearsof

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    careerin4differentcountriesin2continentsinover10companiesIconsidertheheadhunterssomewhattotallyincompetentfrustratedmissedpsychologist/sociologist.

    IhavebeeninvolvedinmorethanIcanrememberrecruitingprocessesmeeting

    over30self-declaredtop-notchinternationalheadhunters,andIcanonlythinkofone

    singlecasewhentheinterviewerknewlet's-be-goodandsay10%

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    Sosinceabout6yearsago,whenapplyingforaposition,fistquestionis:"doestherecruitingprocessinvolvesheadhunters?"Iftheanswer

    is"yes"Iimmediatelysay:"Iwilldealwithyoudirectly,Iwill

    provideanybackgrounddocumentationyourequirewithoutarguingbutIwon'tacceptan

    interviewwithanheadhunter,ifit'sfinewithyou,we

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    cangoahead".

    Andguesswhat...Ihaven'tfoundevenONESINGLEcompanythathasdeclinedmyapproach...and

    haven'tfoundONESINGLEcompanythatwashappywiththestafftheso-called

    top-notchinternationalheadhuntershadfound.

    Andguesswhat?Ihavedoubled

    mysalaryateachcareerstepeversince.

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    SowhatcanItellyou?Headhuntersandoutsourcedrecruitersareuselessexpensiveparasiteofthejobmarketluckilybeingdecimatedbythiscrisis

    whichmightturnouttobeoneoftheveryfewpositiveside

    effectsofthecrisis.

    Companiesdon'tneedthem,candidatesevenless.

    Gomakeyourpathbyyourself.

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    DaveyNCapprovedthiscomment

    DaveyNC@RvLeshracYeah,Ieventuallycametoregardtimespentdrivingtoandfromworkasbeing

    partofthejob,mostlybecauseIhaveworkedfromhomeformany

    years.IdecidedthatifitweresomethingthatIwouldnotdo

    inthecourseofanormaldaythenitwas

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    workrelated.OneofthereasonsthatIleftAtlantawasthat2-3hoursadayIspentinthecargoingto

    andfrom.

    Idon'tunderstandwhysomanypeopleregardthat

    muchcartimeasanacceptabletradeoff.

    [email protected]

    Replytopromote.Makeyourownpath!Loveit!

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    MindedOne@cyclocrossmechanic

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    Iactuallygotanengineeringco-oplastweekwithoneofthebig3wirelesscompaniesbecause,afterbeingrejected,Iaskedif

    therewasanythingIcoulddowithinthenextsixmonths/yearinorder

    tobebetterpreparedandmoreequippedformynextinterviewwiththe

    company.IalsoletherknowthatIunderstandif

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    itiscompanypolicynottoanswerthesequestions.Turnsoutthenextdaytheyopenedupanotherposition,andIwasthefirst

    personshethoughtof.

    "Unfortunately,Idon'thireawesomepeoplewho

    don'thavetherightskillmix.ButIdokeeptheirinformationaround

    forwhenIneedtheirskillmix.Ialsotend

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    Ikeepgettingcallsforinterviewsfromthesamecompanies,becauseeventhoughImaynothavetherightskillsetforthejob,

    IthinkI'mimpressingduringtheinterview.

    Palin4Pres!

    @Guvmint_CheeseUm,youjustsaidthat#1issoyourHRdoesn't

    havetofilloutthat15minpaperwork.You

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    alreadyhiredthem!:)

    EscapePod@timgray@timgray:Wellstated.Aftersittinginasanassociateonmanycandidateinterviews,

    I'vewalkedawaythinking(tomyself)Iwouldn'tworkforthesearrogantbozos

    iftheytripledmycurrentsalary.

    EditedbyEscapePodat01/18/12

    4:14AM

    jamescobalt@Moon

    I

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    don'tevenuseDigg,butliterallyTHOUSANDSofwebsiteshaveawayofshowingagreeanceincommentswithakudossystem.It'ssocommon,

    sofarbeyondjustDigg(whichisentirelydifferentbecauseIthinkDigg

    isavote/visibilitysystemversusakudos/agreeancesystem)thatthesedaysIthink

    peoplekindofexpectthat.Thisisoneofthe

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    onlycommentsystemsIusethatdoesn'tofferthatoption.

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    mrsplooge@timgray#TimgrayWhereisthelikebutton?

    tracykelly@timgraytimgray,

    Whatawellwrittenandthoughtout

    comment!Iagreewitheveryword.Unfortunately,toimplementsuchapolicymay

    simplykeeponeinanundesirableemployment,orhalttheprocessofdiscontinuing

    anunemploymentsituation.

    Nevertheless,Iintendonfinding

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    amiddleground.

    IfeelasthoughIhaveahigherthanaverageskillsetintheI.T.field.Please,nobragging

    wasintended,IonlymeanIamcompetentbasedonseveralyearsof

    continuededucationandIhavecometoknowtheindustryfairlywell.Given

    that;Iseesomanyjobsannouncementswithdescriptionsthat

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    couldonlyleaveapersonwonderingwhatthe"heck"theorganizationislookingfor.Alltoooftenitwouldseemthepersonwhowrites

    thejobdescriptionismoreintentonexpressingtheirabilitiesasaword-smith

    ratherthanprovidinganadequatenarrativeoftheduties.Iguessthisties

    intothestatementyoumadeaboutcertaindepartmentsthinkingthey

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    aregodlike.

    Loveyoucomment!

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