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Warren Buffett on CNBC Stocksnow more or less fairly pricedAlex Crippen | alexcrippenThursday 19 Sep 2013 | 410 PM ET
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Warren Buffett said stocks have moved a long way in the past five years
going from ridiculously cheap to more of less fairly priced now
We dont find bargains around but we dont think things are way overvalued
either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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Warren Buffett chairman and chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway Inc
In a live interview alongside Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan on
CNBCs Closing Bell Buffett also said the US economy is continuing the
gradual increase weve seen since the fall of 2009 It just creeps along
(Read more Berkshire Hathaways 15 Biggest Stock Holdings)
Buffett said it appears the Federal Reserves quantitative easing hasnt
worked as well as chairman Ben Bernanke would like but he doesnt think its
been harmful either
In fact he said the economy might be doing even worse if there was no Fed
asset buying Maybe if they hadnt been doing it youd have seen ever less
than 2 percent (growth) Who knows
Buffett said we could be seeing the same slow rate of increase for quite
awhile but noted that he doesnt spend a lot of time trying to predict what the
economy will do
Ask who should be the next Fed chairman Buffett said he would have asked
Bernanke to stay in the job When you have a 400 hitter in the lineup you
dont take him out
He may want to leave but I think hes done mdash since the panic of five years
ago mdash I think hes done a terrific job And I think he ought to get a little bit
more of a chance to play out the hand
Even though he thinks it is unlikely Bernanke will be staying Buffett said he
has no second choice
We dont find bargains around but we dont thinkthings are way overvalued either Were having ahard time finding things to buy
-Warren Buffett Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and CEO
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CNBCs Becky Quick is joined by Warren Buffett chairman and CEO of BerkshireHathaway and Brian Moynihan president and CEO of Bank of America to discuss theFeds decision to keep intact the bond buying program Buffett explains why he didnthave any great expectations on whether the Fed would taper or not And Moynihanfeels the economy is very constructive
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ahead of Wednesdays Fed announcement that it wont be reducing asset
purchases yet and it doesnt really make any difference to me in terms of
our business or investments whether its (the taper) zero of 10 billion or 20
billion Some day itll stop Maybe itll go the other direction
(Read more Buffett thanks BofAs CEO for $53 billion profit)
Moynihan said the economy has been very constructive with continued
increases in consumer spending and he doesnt see much downside risk for
it
Heres an unofficial transcript of the live interview
BECKY QUICK Maria thank you very much Gentlemen thank you both for
joining us today Again were here with Brian Moynihan and Warren Buffett I
know you gentlemen are here because youre going to be speaking to about
700 people just after this at the Center for Global Social Enterprise here at
Georgetown
But we wanna thank you for joining us in advance There has been an awful
lot of news an awful lot of surprise about what happened with the Federal
Reserve and Warren I just wanna wondermdash didmdash it took us by surprise Did
this catch you by surprise that the Fed decided not to taper
WARREN BUFFETT Well only because Id been reading everyplace that
people expected something but Imdash Imdash I dont have anymdash I didnt have any
great expectations one way or the other And itmdash it doesnt really make any
difference to me in terms of our business or our investments whether its zero
or $10 billion or $20 billion I mean someday itll stop andmdash (LAUGH) maybe
itll go the other direction
BECKY Although you had been telling us for a while that you didnt think QE3
was effective as some of the earlier programs had beenmdash
BUFFETT Well I think thats right which is probably why its (LAUGH) being
continued Itmdash itmdash it hasnt done the job yet that they hope thatmdash presumably
they hoped it would Somdash but itmdash I dont think its been harmful andmdash andmdash
whatmdash what you see in the economy is just this gradual increase which has
been going on ever since the fall of 2009 Andmdash and every now and then
people think its accelerating sometimes they think its decelerating
(LAUGH) Just basemdash (SLURS) it just kinda creeps along
BECKY You know Brian ever since this decision was made just about 26
hours ago weve been trying to figure out the Fed saw that everyone else
didnt-- or at least everybody that we were talking to ahead of time Youve
made-- an announcement recently that youd be laying off about 2000 people
because of the huge decline in demand for mortgages
I guess youre seeing some of what the Fed has seen in terms of mortgage
business Do you think that this move to continue with $85 billion a month will
make a difference when it comes to what youre seeing in terms of demand
for mortgages
BRIAN MOYNIHAN Well you saw it yesterday in-- in (UNINTEL) mortgages
tightened-- fairly dramatically So you know I think-- I think-- I second what
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Warren said You have an economy which we see very constructive growing
at you know 15 or 2
We dont see a lot of downside risk-- (UNINTEL) the usual things you can
make up But you dont see a lot of downside risks and then I think the Fed
just thinks it-- it-- and I think the chairman was clear about it yesterday Until
unemployments down hes gotta keep this economy goin the right directions
for fear that it might go in the wrong direction And mortgages are one way
that-- low mortgage rates help housing helps housing starts helps-- Warrens
carpet factories helps all the (UNINTEL)
BECKY What-- what are you seeing just in terms of the overall economy
Brian youve got the-- I think one out of every two American households-- the
business of Bank of America What-- what are you seeing in terms of the
economy
MOYNIHAN We still see consumers spending I mean in the data that we
see the spending for the month of September so far is about 5 to 6 over
last years September The Internet spend growth at twice that rate so you--
you might hear different retailers have different outcomes depending on
whether theyre on the Internet more or less
But the overall spending levels are up about 5 to 6 from last year And so
we can see-- ka-- see-- continue to move forward and then when you talk
about corporate side theyre very constructive Access to markets is there
and so its-- its okay And-- and the question is it just takes time And I think
people wish this were-- were going faster but its just a lot of work to take a
huge economy like ours and get it completely back to where people want it--
3-plus growth
BECKY Right Warren-- if QE3 hasnt been working to this point and the
Fed is now saying that we have to wait until we see the unemployment level
come down before this happens is it going to get us there faster
BUFFETT Well I (UNINTEL) being said it isnt working thus far I mean
because its hard to say what woulda happened if theyd gone the other
direction but it-- the economys improving But I think that probably Bernanke
was hope-- hoping to see an acceleration of the rate of improvement and
what hes seen I think is a continuation of more or less the same rate But
maybe if they hadnt been doing it you know it-- youd have-- youd have
seen-- even less than 2 Who knows (LAUGH)
BECKY I think my question was though it-- if-- if you look at them saying
We need to see a big pick up in the economy thats not necessarily
something thats going to happen next month or (UNINTEL) after it--
BUFFETT No No no Who knows what is gonna happen It-- no you could
be looking at this rate for quite a while But I dont-- Im-- Im not good on that
sorta thing and I-- and I-- it-- I really dont try and predict it
BECKY Brian I know the next Fed chairman is going to be your regulator
Do you know Janet well-- Yellen well And do you have any thoughts about
who youd like to see as the next Fed chairman
MOYNIHAN I can-- we know all the candidates and not-- sure that thats a
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question that (LAUGHTER) anybody will answer I think its up to other people
to make that decision and well-- you know well work constructively with all
the candidates that Ive heard mentioned And Im sure theres some I havent
thought of but-- they-- we work constructively with the Fed and always will
BECKY Warren how about you Who do you think the next Fed chairman--
BUFFETT My--
BECKY --should be
BUFFETT Well I know who-- well I-- I think Bernanke-- I think if youve got a
400 hitter in the lineup you dont take him out And-- you know he may-- he
may wanna leave but I think-- I think hes done-- since-- since the panic of--
five years ago-- I think hes done a terrific job And-- I think he oughta get a
chance to play out a little more of a hand
BECKY Meaning you think the president should ask him to stay for another
term
BUFFETT Thats what I would-- yeah I dont think thats necessarily gonna
happen (LAUGH) but I-- but thats-- thats what I would do
BECKY If Bernanke doesnt want to do that who do you think should step
in And who would be your second choice
BUFFETT Yeah well I-- Id-- I dont have a second choice But-- I-- I dont-- I
dont know-- I dont know Janet Yellen at all And-- and-- I just dont know
enough about the various candidates to come up with a second choice I
know Bernanke in my view is very very good So-- and-- I would-- I would not
trade him away anymore Id trade some of our great managers at (LAUGH)
Berkshire away
BECKY What-- what do you worry about in terms of what the Fed is facing
and how difficult the exit strategy might be
BUFFETT Well there-- whoever has that job at some point is going to have
to do something thats pretty much unprecedented starting with a $35 trillion
balance sheet still growing And-- its easier to buy than to sell Now they dont
have to sell
I mean the-- the-- the-- the-- but-- (COUGH) playing out the last-- the-- the last
half of this game is-- is very different than the-- the first half Brian would know
a lot more about that than I would but I-- (CLEARS THROAT) I-- I think
Bernanke oughta be given a chance to-- to play the whole game rather than
just the buying end of it (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY Brian what do you think just about the exit strategy We-- we spoke
with Stan Druckenmiller today and he said that he worries the academics at
the Fed dont necessarily know some of the problems that could come up
with this exit strategy
MOYNIHAN Well I-- I think-- theyve studied it theyve thought about it
Theyre playing out the exit strategy as we speak right In other words the
dialogue and the transparency and the clarity-- so you know if you speak the
people who work on a trading desk around Wall Street yesterday a lot of em
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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Warren Buffett Brian Moynihan Berkshire Hathaway Inc
Bank of America Corp Closing Bell
BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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Warren Buffett chairman and chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway Inc
In a live interview alongside Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan on
CNBCs Closing Bell Buffett also said the US economy is continuing the
gradual increase weve seen since the fall of 2009 It just creeps along
(Read more Berkshire Hathaways 15 Biggest Stock Holdings)
Buffett said it appears the Federal Reserves quantitative easing hasnt
worked as well as chairman Ben Bernanke would like but he doesnt think its
been harmful either
In fact he said the economy might be doing even worse if there was no Fed
asset buying Maybe if they hadnt been doing it youd have seen ever less
than 2 percent (growth) Who knows
Buffett said we could be seeing the same slow rate of increase for quite
awhile but noted that he doesnt spend a lot of time trying to predict what the
economy will do
Ask who should be the next Fed chairman Buffett said he would have asked
Bernanke to stay in the job When you have a 400 hitter in the lineup you
dont take him out
He may want to leave but I think hes done mdash since the panic of five years
ago mdash I think hes done a terrific job And I think he ought to get a little bit
more of a chance to play out the hand
Even though he thinks it is unlikely Bernanke will be staying Buffett said he
has no second choice
We dont find bargains around but we dont thinkthings are way overvalued either Were having ahard time finding things to buy
-Warren Buffett Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and CEO
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Thursday 19 September 2013 | 405 EDT | 1045
CNBCs Becky Quick is joined by Warren Buffett chairman and CEO of BerkshireHathaway and Brian Moynihan president and CEO of Bank of America to discuss theFeds decision to keep intact the bond buying program Buffett explains why he didnthave any great expectations on whether the Fed would taper or not And Moynihanfeels the economy is very constructive
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ahead of Wednesdays Fed announcement that it wont be reducing asset
purchases yet and it doesnt really make any difference to me in terms of
our business or investments whether its (the taper) zero of 10 billion or 20
billion Some day itll stop Maybe itll go the other direction
(Read more Buffett thanks BofAs CEO for $53 billion profit)
Moynihan said the economy has been very constructive with continued
increases in consumer spending and he doesnt see much downside risk for
it
Heres an unofficial transcript of the live interview
BECKY QUICK Maria thank you very much Gentlemen thank you both for
joining us today Again were here with Brian Moynihan and Warren Buffett I
know you gentlemen are here because youre going to be speaking to about
700 people just after this at the Center for Global Social Enterprise here at
Georgetown
But we wanna thank you for joining us in advance There has been an awful
lot of news an awful lot of surprise about what happened with the Federal
Reserve and Warren I just wanna wondermdash didmdash it took us by surprise Did
this catch you by surprise that the Fed decided not to taper
WARREN BUFFETT Well only because Id been reading everyplace that
people expected something but Imdash Imdash I dont have anymdash I didnt have any
great expectations one way or the other And itmdash it doesnt really make any
difference to me in terms of our business or our investments whether its zero
or $10 billion or $20 billion I mean someday itll stop andmdash (LAUGH) maybe
itll go the other direction
BECKY Although you had been telling us for a while that you didnt think QE3
was effective as some of the earlier programs had beenmdash
BUFFETT Well I think thats right which is probably why its (LAUGH) being
continued Itmdash itmdash it hasnt done the job yet that they hope thatmdash presumably
they hoped it would Somdash but itmdash I dont think its been harmful andmdash andmdash
whatmdash what you see in the economy is just this gradual increase which has
been going on ever since the fall of 2009 Andmdash and every now and then
people think its accelerating sometimes they think its decelerating
(LAUGH) Just basemdash (SLURS) it just kinda creeps along
BECKY You know Brian ever since this decision was made just about 26
hours ago weve been trying to figure out the Fed saw that everyone else
didnt-- or at least everybody that we were talking to ahead of time Youve
made-- an announcement recently that youd be laying off about 2000 people
because of the huge decline in demand for mortgages
I guess youre seeing some of what the Fed has seen in terms of mortgage
business Do you think that this move to continue with $85 billion a month will
make a difference when it comes to what youre seeing in terms of demand
for mortgages
BRIAN MOYNIHAN Well you saw it yesterday in-- in (UNINTEL) mortgages
tightened-- fairly dramatically So you know I think-- I think-- I second what
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Warren said You have an economy which we see very constructive growing
at you know 15 or 2
We dont see a lot of downside risk-- (UNINTEL) the usual things you can
make up But you dont see a lot of downside risks and then I think the Fed
just thinks it-- it-- and I think the chairman was clear about it yesterday Until
unemployments down hes gotta keep this economy goin the right directions
for fear that it might go in the wrong direction And mortgages are one way
that-- low mortgage rates help housing helps housing starts helps-- Warrens
carpet factories helps all the (UNINTEL)
BECKY What-- what are you seeing just in terms of the overall economy
Brian youve got the-- I think one out of every two American households-- the
business of Bank of America What-- what are you seeing in terms of the
economy
MOYNIHAN We still see consumers spending I mean in the data that we
see the spending for the month of September so far is about 5 to 6 over
last years September The Internet spend growth at twice that rate so you--
you might hear different retailers have different outcomes depending on
whether theyre on the Internet more or less
But the overall spending levels are up about 5 to 6 from last year And so
we can see-- ka-- see-- continue to move forward and then when you talk
about corporate side theyre very constructive Access to markets is there
and so its-- its okay And-- and the question is it just takes time And I think
people wish this were-- were going faster but its just a lot of work to take a
huge economy like ours and get it completely back to where people want it--
3-plus growth
BECKY Right Warren-- if QE3 hasnt been working to this point and the
Fed is now saying that we have to wait until we see the unemployment level
come down before this happens is it going to get us there faster
BUFFETT Well I (UNINTEL) being said it isnt working thus far I mean
because its hard to say what woulda happened if theyd gone the other
direction but it-- the economys improving But I think that probably Bernanke
was hope-- hoping to see an acceleration of the rate of improvement and
what hes seen I think is a continuation of more or less the same rate But
maybe if they hadnt been doing it you know it-- youd have-- youd have
seen-- even less than 2 Who knows (LAUGH)
BECKY I think my question was though it-- if-- if you look at them saying
We need to see a big pick up in the economy thats not necessarily
something thats going to happen next month or (UNINTEL) after it--
BUFFETT No No no Who knows what is gonna happen It-- no you could
be looking at this rate for quite a while But I dont-- Im-- Im not good on that
sorta thing and I-- and I-- it-- I really dont try and predict it
BECKY Brian I know the next Fed chairman is going to be your regulator
Do you know Janet well-- Yellen well And do you have any thoughts about
who youd like to see as the next Fed chairman
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question that (LAUGHTER) anybody will answer I think its up to other people
to make that decision and well-- you know well work constructively with all
the candidates that Ive heard mentioned And Im sure theres some I havent
thought of but-- they-- we work constructively with the Fed and always will
BECKY Warren how about you Who do you think the next Fed chairman--
BUFFETT My--
BECKY --should be
BUFFETT Well I know who-- well I-- I think Bernanke-- I think if youve got a
400 hitter in the lineup you dont take him out And-- you know he may-- he
may wanna leave but I think-- I think hes done-- since-- since the panic of--
five years ago-- I think hes done a terrific job And-- I think he oughta get a
chance to play out a little more of a hand
BECKY Meaning you think the president should ask him to stay for another
term
BUFFETT Thats what I would-- yeah I dont think thats necessarily gonna
happen (LAUGH) but I-- but thats-- thats what I would do
BECKY If Bernanke doesnt want to do that who do you think should step
in And who would be your second choice
BUFFETT Yeah well I-- Id-- I dont have a second choice But-- I-- I dont-- I
dont know-- I dont know Janet Yellen at all And-- and-- I just dont know
enough about the various candidates to come up with a second choice I
know Bernanke in my view is very very good So-- and-- I would-- I would not
trade him away anymore Id trade some of our great managers at (LAUGH)
Berkshire away
BECKY What-- what do you worry about in terms of what the Fed is facing
and how difficult the exit strategy might be
BUFFETT Well there-- whoever has that job at some point is going to have
to do something thats pretty much unprecedented starting with a $35 trillion
balance sheet still growing And-- its easier to buy than to sell Now they dont
have to sell
I mean the-- the-- the-- the-- but-- (COUGH) playing out the last-- the-- the last
half of this game is-- is very different than the-- the first half Brian would know
a lot more about that than I would but I-- (CLEARS THROAT) I-- I think
Bernanke oughta be given a chance to-- to play the whole game rather than
just the buying end of it (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY Brian what do you think just about the exit strategy We-- we spoke
with Stan Druckenmiller today and he said that he worries the academics at
the Fed dont necessarily know some of the problems that could come up
with this exit strategy
MOYNIHAN Well I-- I think-- theyve studied it theyve thought about it
Theyre playing out the exit strategy as we speak right In other words the
dialogue and the transparency and the clarity-- so you know if you speak the
people who work on a trading desk around Wall Street yesterday a lot of em
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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Warren Buffett Brian Moynihan Berkshire Hathaway Inc
Bank of America Corp Closing Bell
BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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ahead of Wednesdays Fed announcement that it wont be reducing asset
purchases yet and it doesnt really make any difference to me in terms of
our business or investments whether its (the taper) zero of 10 billion or 20
billion Some day itll stop Maybe itll go the other direction
(Read more Buffett thanks BofAs CEO for $53 billion profit)
Moynihan said the economy has been very constructive with continued
increases in consumer spending and he doesnt see much downside risk for
it
Heres an unofficial transcript of the live interview
BECKY QUICK Maria thank you very much Gentlemen thank you both for
joining us today Again were here with Brian Moynihan and Warren Buffett I
know you gentlemen are here because youre going to be speaking to about
700 people just after this at the Center for Global Social Enterprise here at
Georgetown
But we wanna thank you for joining us in advance There has been an awful
lot of news an awful lot of surprise about what happened with the Federal
Reserve and Warren I just wanna wondermdash didmdash it took us by surprise Did
this catch you by surprise that the Fed decided not to taper
WARREN BUFFETT Well only because Id been reading everyplace that
people expected something but Imdash Imdash I dont have anymdash I didnt have any
great expectations one way or the other And itmdash it doesnt really make any
difference to me in terms of our business or our investments whether its zero
or $10 billion or $20 billion I mean someday itll stop andmdash (LAUGH) maybe
itll go the other direction
BECKY Although you had been telling us for a while that you didnt think QE3
was effective as some of the earlier programs had beenmdash
BUFFETT Well I think thats right which is probably why its (LAUGH) being
continued Itmdash itmdash it hasnt done the job yet that they hope thatmdash presumably
they hoped it would Somdash but itmdash I dont think its been harmful andmdash andmdash
whatmdash what you see in the economy is just this gradual increase which has
been going on ever since the fall of 2009 Andmdash and every now and then
people think its accelerating sometimes they think its decelerating
(LAUGH) Just basemdash (SLURS) it just kinda creeps along
BECKY You know Brian ever since this decision was made just about 26
hours ago weve been trying to figure out the Fed saw that everyone else
didnt-- or at least everybody that we were talking to ahead of time Youve
made-- an announcement recently that youd be laying off about 2000 people
because of the huge decline in demand for mortgages
I guess youre seeing some of what the Fed has seen in terms of mortgage
business Do you think that this move to continue with $85 billion a month will
make a difference when it comes to what youre seeing in terms of demand
for mortgages
BRIAN MOYNIHAN Well you saw it yesterday in-- in (UNINTEL) mortgages
tightened-- fairly dramatically So you know I think-- I think-- I second what
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Warren said You have an economy which we see very constructive growing
at you know 15 or 2
We dont see a lot of downside risk-- (UNINTEL) the usual things you can
make up But you dont see a lot of downside risks and then I think the Fed
just thinks it-- it-- and I think the chairman was clear about it yesterday Until
unemployments down hes gotta keep this economy goin the right directions
for fear that it might go in the wrong direction And mortgages are one way
that-- low mortgage rates help housing helps housing starts helps-- Warrens
carpet factories helps all the (UNINTEL)
BECKY What-- what are you seeing just in terms of the overall economy
Brian youve got the-- I think one out of every two American households-- the
business of Bank of America What-- what are you seeing in terms of the
economy
MOYNIHAN We still see consumers spending I mean in the data that we
see the spending for the month of September so far is about 5 to 6 over
last years September The Internet spend growth at twice that rate so you--
you might hear different retailers have different outcomes depending on
whether theyre on the Internet more or less
But the overall spending levels are up about 5 to 6 from last year And so
we can see-- ka-- see-- continue to move forward and then when you talk
about corporate side theyre very constructive Access to markets is there
and so its-- its okay And-- and the question is it just takes time And I think
people wish this were-- were going faster but its just a lot of work to take a
huge economy like ours and get it completely back to where people want it--
3-plus growth
BECKY Right Warren-- if QE3 hasnt been working to this point and the
Fed is now saying that we have to wait until we see the unemployment level
come down before this happens is it going to get us there faster
BUFFETT Well I (UNINTEL) being said it isnt working thus far I mean
because its hard to say what woulda happened if theyd gone the other
direction but it-- the economys improving But I think that probably Bernanke
was hope-- hoping to see an acceleration of the rate of improvement and
what hes seen I think is a continuation of more or less the same rate But
maybe if they hadnt been doing it you know it-- youd have-- youd have
seen-- even less than 2 Who knows (LAUGH)
BECKY I think my question was though it-- if-- if you look at them saying
We need to see a big pick up in the economy thats not necessarily
something thats going to happen next month or (UNINTEL) after it--
BUFFETT No No no Who knows what is gonna happen It-- no you could
be looking at this rate for quite a while But I dont-- Im-- Im not good on that
sorta thing and I-- and I-- it-- I really dont try and predict it
BECKY Brian I know the next Fed chairman is going to be your regulator
Do you know Janet well-- Yellen well And do you have any thoughts about
who youd like to see as the next Fed chairman
MOYNIHAN I can-- we know all the candidates and not-- sure that thats a
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question that (LAUGHTER) anybody will answer I think its up to other people
to make that decision and well-- you know well work constructively with all
the candidates that Ive heard mentioned And Im sure theres some I havent
thought of but-- they-- we work constructively with the Fed and always will
BECKY Warren how about you Who do you think the next Fed chairman--
BUFFETT My--
BECKY --should be
BUFFETT Well I know who-- well I-- I think Bernanke-- I think if youve got a
400 hitter in the lineup you dont take him out And-- you know he may-- he
may wanna leave but I think-- I think hes done-- since-- since the panic of--
five years ago-- I think hes done a terrific job And-- I think he oughta get a
chance to play out a little more of a hand
BECKY Meaning you think the president should ask him to stay for another
term
BUFFETT Thats what I would-- yeah I dont think thats necessarily gonna
happen (LAUGH) but I-- but thats-- thats what I would do
BECKY If Bernanke doesnt want to do that who do you think should step
in And who would be your second choice
BUFFETT Yeah well I-- Id-- I dont have a second choice But-- I-- I dont-- I
dont know-- I dont know Janet Yellen at all And-- and-- I just dont know
enough about the various candidates to come up with a second choice I
know Bernanke in my view is very very good So-- and-- I would-- I would not
trade him away anymore Id trade some of our great managers at (LAUGH)
Berkshire away
BECKY What-- what do you worry about in terms of what the Fed is facing
and how difficult the exit strategy might be
BUFFETT Well there-- whoever has that job at some point is going to have
to do something thats pretty much unprecedented starting with a $35 trillion
balance sheet still growing And-- its easier to buy than to sell Now they dont
have to sell
I mean the-- the-- the-- the-- but-- (COUGH) playing out the last-- the-- the last
half of this game is-- is very different than the-- the first half Brian would know
a lot more about that than I would but I-- (CLEARS THROAT) I-- I think
Bernanke oughta be given a chance to-- to play the whole game rather than
just the buying end of it (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY Brian what do you think just about the exit strategy We-- we spoke
with Stan Druckenmiller today and he said that he worries the academics at
the Fed dont necessarily know some of the problems that could come up
with this exit strategy
MOYNIHAN Well I-- I think-- theyve studied it theyve thought about it
Theyre playing out the exit strategy as we speak right In other words the
dialogue and the transparency and the clarity-- so you know if you speak the
people who work on a trading desk around Wall Street yesterday a lot of em
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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Warren Buffett Brian Moynihan Berkshire Hathaway Inc
Bank of America Corp Closing Bell
BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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Warren said You have an economy which we see very constructive growing
at you know 15 or 2
We dont see a lot of downside risk-- (UNINTEL) the usual things you can
make up But you dont see a lot of downside risks and then I think the Fed
just thinks it-- it-- and I think the chairman was clear about it yesterday Until
unemployments down hes gotta keep this economy goin the right directions
for fear that it might go in the wrong direction And mortgages are one way
that-- low mortgage rates help housing helps housing starts helps-- Warrens
carpet factories helps all the (UNINTEL)
BECKY What-- what are you seeing just in terms of the overall economy
Brian youve got the-- I think one out of every two American households-- the
business of Bank of America What-- what are you seeing in terms of the
economy
MOYNIHAN We still see consumers spending I mean in the data that we
see the spending for the month of September so far is about 5 to 6 over
last years September The Internet spend growth at twice that rate so you--
you might hear different retailers have different outcomes depending on
whether theyre on the Internet more or less
But the overall spending levels are up about 5 to 6 from last year And so
we can see-- ka-- see-- continue to move forward and then when you talk
about corporate side theyre very constructive Access to markets is there
and so its-- its okay And-- and the question is it just takes time And I think
people wish this were-- were going faster but its just a lot of work to take a
huge economy like ours and get it completely back to where people want it--
3-plus growth
BECKY Right Warren-- if QE3 hasnt been working to this point and the
Fed is now saying that we have to wait until we see the unemployment level
come down before this happens is it going to get us there faster
BUFFETT Well I (UNINTEL) being said it isnt working thus far I mean
because its hard to say what woulda happened if theyd gone the other
direction but it-- the economys improving But I think that probably Bernanke
was hope-- hoping to see an acceleration of the rate of improvement and
what hes seen I think is a continuation of more or less the same rate But
maybe if they hadnt been doing it you know it-- youd have-- youd have
seen-- even less than 2 Who knows (LAUGH)
BECKY I think my question was though it-- if-- if you look at them saying
We need to see a big pick up in the economy thats not necessarily
something thats going to happen next month or (UNINTEL) after it--
BUFFETT No No no Who knows what is gonna happen It-- no you could
be looking at this rate for quite a while But I dont-- Im-- Im not good on that
sorta thing and I-- and I-- it-- I really dont try and predict it
BECKY Brian I know the next Fed chairman is going to be your regulator
Do you know Janet well-- Yellen well And do you have any thoughts about
who youd like to see as the next Fed chairman
MOYNIHAN I can-- we know all the candidates and not-- sure that thats a
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question that (LAUGHTER) anybody will answer I think its up to other people
to make that decision and well-- you know well work constructively with all
the candidates that Ive heard mentioned And Im sure theres some I havent
thought of but-- they-- we work constructively with the Fed and always will
BECKY Warren how about you Who do you think the next Fed chairman--
BUFFETT My--
BECKY --should be
BUFFETT Well I know who-- well I-- I think Bernanke-- I think if youve got a
400 hitter in the lineup you dont take him out And-- you know he may-- he
may wanna leave but I think-- I think hes done-- since-- since the panic of--
five years ago-- I think hes done a terrific job And-- I think he oughta get a
chance to play out a little more of a hand
BECKY Meaning you think the president should ask him to stay for another
term
BUFFETT Thats what I would-- yeah I dont think thats necessarily gonna
happen (LAUGH) but I-- but thats-- thats what I would do
BECKY If Bernanke doesnt want to do that who do you think should step
in And who would be your second choice
BUFFETT Yeah well I-- Id-- I dont have a second choice But-- I-- I dont-- I
dont know-- I dont know Janet Yellen at all And-- and-- I just dont know
enough about the various candidates to come up with a second choice I
know Bernanke in my view is very very good So-- and-- I would-- I would not
trade him away anymore Id trade some of our great managers at (LAUGH)
Berkshire away
BECKY What-- what do you worry about in terms of what the Fed is facing
and how difficult the exit strategy might be
BUFFETT Well there-- whoever has that job at some point is going to have
to do something thats pretty much unprecedented starting with a $35 trillion
balance sheet still growing And-- its easier to buy than to sell Now they dont
have to sell
I mean the-- the-- the-- the-- but-- (COUGH) playing out the last-- the-- the last
half of this game is-- is very different than the-- the first half Brian would know
a lot more about that than I would but I-- (CLEARS THROAT) I-- I think
Bernanke oughta be given a chance to-- to play the whole game rather than
just the buying end of it (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY Brian what do you think just about the exit strategy We-- we spoke
with Stan Druckenmiller today and he said that he worries the academics at
the Fed dont necessarily know some of the problems that could come up
with this exit strategy
MOYNIHAN Well I-- I think-- theyve studied it theyve thought about it
Theyre playing out the exit strategy as we speak right In other words the
dialogue and the transparency and the clarity-- so you know if you speak the
people who work on a trading desk around Wall Street yesterday a lot of em
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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question that (LAUGHTER) anybody will answer I think its up to other people
to make that decision and well-- you know well work constructively with all
the candidates that Ive heard mentioned And Im sure theres some I havent
thought of but-- they-- we work constructively with the Fed and always will
BECKY Warren how about you Who do you think the next Fed chairman--
BUFFETT My--
BECKY --should be
BUFFETT Well I know who-- well I-- I think Bernanke-- I think if youve got a
400 hitter in the lineup you dont take him out And-- you know he may-- he
may wanna leave but I think-- I think hes done-- since-- since the panic of--
five years ago-- I think hes done a terrific job And-- I think he oughta get a
chance to play out a little more of a hand
BECKY Meaning you think the president should ask him to stay for another
term
BUFFETT Thats what I would-- yeah I dont think thats necessarily gonna
happen (LAUGH) but I-- but thats-- thats what I would do
BECKY If Bernanke doesnt want to do that who do you think should step
in And who would be your second choice
BUFFETT Yeah well I-- Id-- I dont have a second choice But-- I-- I dont-- I
dont know-- I dont know Janet Yellen at all And-- and-- I just dont know
enough about the various candidates to come up with a second choice I
know Bernanke in my view is very very good So-- and-- I would-- I would not
trade him away anymore Id trade some of our great managers at (LAUGH)
Berkshire away
BECKY What-- what do you worry about in terms of what the Fed is facing
and how difficult the exit strategy might be
BUFFETT Well there-- whoever has that job at some point is going to have
to do something thats pretty much unprecedented starting with a $35 trillion
balance sheet still growing And-- its easier to buy than to sell Now they dont
have to sell
I mean the-- the-- the-- the-- but-- (COUGH) playing out the last-- the-- the last
half of this game is-- is very different than the-- the first half Brian would know
a lot more about that than I would but I-- (CLEARS THROAT) I-- I think
Bernanke oughta be given a chance to-- to play the whole game rather than
just the buying end of it (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY Brian what do you think just about the exit strategy We-- we spoke
with Stan Druckenmiller today and he said that he worries the academics at
the Fed dont necessarily know some of the problems that could come up
with this exit strategy
MOYNIHAN Well I-- I think-- theyve studied it theyve thought about it
Theyre playing out the exit strategy as we speak right In other words the
dialogue and the transparency and the clarity-- so you know if you speak the
people who work on a trading desk around Wall Street yesterday a lot of em
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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were set up the wrong way
It-- thatll happen Itll go through the system the-- the tenure bonds re-
stabilized and-- at a different level But remember it doesnt go far back that
it was 100 basis points lower So the first 100 basis points was-- what-- a
60 move as opposed to 10 move And you know so hey it-- it has to
be care-- carefully crafted not only in the United States but around the world
But I think people can get into the science of this and I think the clarity that
has been through a central banks is well out as the economy improves And
thats the piece people are missing Theyre thinking theyre getting out
without the economy improving to the rate they want
Given a strong economy go on-- whatever rate that they need to feel that the
unemployments comin down thisll be-- I think some-- more-- less of-- a
pressing question given the first thing And-- and theyre not gonna get out
until there is a strong economy so you have sort of a chicken and egg thing
BUFFETT And I think think its impossible that five years from now that youll
have a $35 trillion Fed balance sheet I mean they may-- they may take it
back to whether or not going one direction or the other but I-- I dont think its
impossible that they-- they just decide theyll sit at $35 trillion like they used to
sit at $15 trillion
BECKY You know we-- Stan Drunkenmiller also said today that-- in terms of
QE3 as a citizen hes concerned but he said as a money manager he
thinks this is great news because he thinks equities will move higher at least
in the intermediate term What do you think about that Warren--
MOYNIHAN Well--
BUFFETT The lower interest rates are the-- the more assets are worth
basically And-- and to the extent that-- that QE3 is-- is-- is keeping interest
rates-- rates lower than they would otherwise it probably keeps asset prices
somewhat higher than they might be otherwise
But theres other variables I mean if-- if that doesnt exist its maybe
because business is a lot better So the-- theres more than one variable
Theres-- theres-- theres really dozens of variables but interest rates are a
terribly important variable in evaluation of assets (CLEARS THROAT)
BECKY When you look around at the market though its definitely moved
significantly over the last four or five years
BUFFETT Sure--
BECKY Weve seen some major-- pick up When you look around are there
still deals that you can see like the deal that you did with Brian-- with Bank of
America Do you still see good positions Or have stocks just moved too
far
BUFFETT Theyve-- theyve moved a long way They were very cheap five
years ago and-- ridiculously cheap And-- thats been corrected Theyre
probably more or less fairly priced now I mean I dont think-- we-- we dont
find bargains around-- but we dont think everything-- things are way over
valued either Were having a hard time finding things to buy
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Warren Buffett Brian Moynihan Berkshire Hathaway Inc
Bank of America Corp Closing Bell
BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
BECKY All right gentlemen thank you very much Were gonna continue this
conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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Bank of America Corp Closing Bell
BECKY OK great Were gonna continue this conversation and we will-- air
it tomorrow morning on Squawk Box but Maria in the meantime is there a
quick question that you have for either Brian or Warren
MARIA BARTIROMO Well I guess I would just say Becky Id like to get
their thoughts on regulation It seems like the profit story is very much in
place but as the profits have gone up for so many companies so have the
expenses for regulations JPMorgan paying $800 million Whats on the
horizon for Bank of America in that regard
BECKY Brian Maria asks just in terms of regulation-- obviously you see
whats happened with JPMorgan today with the amount that theyre spending
on this With the expenses that have gonna up along with this can you just tell
us whats on the horizon with the regulatory front for-- Bank of America
MOYNIHAN Well we-- weve had-- a lot of-- discussion about this the last
few years with Maria and others and yourself-- because we got through this--
but we got-- this-- some (SLURS) issues especially on the mortgage area
earlier We put a lot of it behind us
We continue to work through it But I think you know this-- this is a period in
which a lot of regulations got pass the stuff-- all the different things that we
werent doing right But if you look at it from the broad perspective we
doubled our capital in our company and in the industry
Weve quadrupled the liquidity Weve reduced the size of the commo-- of the
Merrill Lynch-Bank America combination by a third and we simplified the
company And I think that-- that is where the right place to take it for the
customers was and the shareholders I think most of the people in the industry
are doing that And I think the regulations are pushing harder towards that
outcome
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conversation as we mentioned on tape Maria right now Ill send it back to
you and-- well have the rest of this conversation tomorrow morning on
Squawk Box
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