Visions of the Future

Coast to Coast with GeorgeNoory and Michael St.Clair

5th January 2009

Transcript by Vicki

George Noory: Tonight we will be talking with noted astrologer Michael St.Clairabout the future…is next on Coast to Coast A.M.

Michael St.Clair, author of the Light-Seeds Future of the Planet Earth. Hisastrology forecasts offer a review and overview of the years ahead. He was bornin Switzerland in 1959. Studied law and political science at Zurich Universitybefore becoming a self-taught astrologer.

At age 25 he served as an assistant to a Swiss army intelligence General, and laterin a short career in investment banking. He traveled the world advising big levelclients of all walks of life and special situations. Here he is on Coast to Coasttoday.

Hey Michael, how are you?

Michael St.Clair: How are you Sir, good to hear your voice.

G: Good to hear you. I’m glad to hear you got out of the investment bankingbusiness after this debacle that’s happening around the planet these days, huh?

M: Yes, well I saw that coming and that was a long time ago and I said to myclients, this is not going to end well, you know?

G: No, and you were right about that. Michael how did you get involved inastrology from the kind of background you’ve got?

M: Well, I used to do this as a hobby from an early age on. I kept it to myselfbecause in the early days- we’ll say in the ‘70’s- this was still looked at as a sort ofa non-serious type science or art.

But I knew that there was a way one could calculate planetary alignments andmirror it to the events going on as far as mundane political astrology wasconcerned. But I also knew it was mirroring the behavior of people and I wastrying to figure out a way that was more rational to explain it when I actuallyalready knew that one can just read it even without the planets.

So its something I studied all along. It was like a hobby.

G: When you got out of the investment banking business, did you see thatbecause of your knowledge just of the financial business, or was it yourastrological abilities that helped you?

M: Well, it was both. You see on the one hand it was very simply I would justsee what was going on around me and I knew what was going on around theworld. Because of the way I was placed, I knew a lot about what went on inbusiness and politics all over the world.

So just looking at what was transpiring was enough to extrapolate at a linear,logical level of what would be happening. That’s kind of like knowing a fewchess moves ahead. What more or less options you have.

But knowing the astrology was helping me to compare what was really going on.So I could take a bigger picture you and I would see, 10 years from now, 20 yearsfrom now of this following picture unfolding.

So it was both, it was always both. I would always compare one with the other.I never actually trusted astrology, even to this day, honestly enough.

G: Really.

M: I know astrology inside and out. I mean I can do it in my sleep sort of. But Ialways look at what’s going on to be sure. I’m really looking at the surrealpicture that we’re all looking at and it’s hard to explain.

It’s just there and you look at what’s around you and that makes you a seer, andyou don’t need to think about it. You don’t need to actually process it logically.You just look at what’s around you and then you see it. You know immediatelywithout thinking.

G: Are you also a psychic? Do you have intuitive abilities or do you believe it’sjust the astrology that gives you the strength that you have?

M: It’s both. It’s definitely what I am; what you would call psychic or what I calla seer in the sense that I have this awareness with me almost since I was say, 5, 6years old. I can remember that I was aware of say, what you call past lives; ofthings no one around me could understand, mentally speaking.

So I began looking into it and fine- tuning what I saw. I seemed to do it because Iwanted to know what I’m actually doing, until it was becoming clear to me thatit was not me actually doing anything. It was just happening.

So I foresaw the trends by watching what surrounded me as I explained. Likeyou would watch a car driving and you know the direction it has, andapproximate speed it has, you know what the car does next.

So there was nothing really more to it. But you can call it psychic in the sensethat I would for instance, know if there would be an airplane accident or justlittle things- as a kid- would go into my minds eye like pictures, like situations.Then these situations would happen, say a few days later or sometimes a fewmonths later.So I was trying to figure out why do I see certain things a few days or a few monthsbeforehand, etc? So I was becoming aware that some other force other than myselfwas also working with me in some sort of a silent dialogue, almost teaching mehow to actually see clearer and with more intent as opposed to just see like arandom kaleidoscope. So yes, it is both psychic and astrology.

G: Was your family aware of your abilities even at that young age?

M: Yes they were and that was difficult because I grew up in a relativelyCartesian logical surrounding. Intellectuals. Both parent’s intellectuals andeverything was sort of streamlined to be, you know, in a logical mode ofthinking.

Everything had a certain scientific tense, and I knew that that was a make believeworld.That this whole scientific type of thinking was a mask because they were in factblinding themselves to what I knew.

But I knew intuitively very early on not to talk about it. I had a friend; someonewho looked after me as a little kid; who taught me early on, don’t speak about whatyou know.She used to say to me, what you see is more real than what the others around you cansee.

G: But she told you to keep it to yourself.

M: So I knew early on not to speak about it.

G: Yeah. That probably was good advice, I would think. Was there a trigger orwas there a major event at that young age that started this?

M: No, I cant remember an event that as such. It was probably more when thatdialogue that came in with that force that I was telling you about.

G: Yeah.

M: When I was starting to become aware that I’m actually not alone here doingthis. Then I felt better about it because then I knew I had what I’ll call friends outthere who would sort of, not egg me on, but who would say to me in a silentdialogue that I was sort of on the right track and continue to evolve and sort ofdevelop a ability.

That there was something there for me to do to and not give up and kind of do itthe way the adult world was doing it. So that led to a strange existence which is,even to this day, where you are with one foot in this world pretending to be withthese people around you and operating the way they do, when you yourselfknow the information comes from someplace else.

G: Michael, tell us how you predict. What are some of the methods that youuse?

M: Well I have several ways when I do it at an analytical, logical level. When Iuse an analytical level, of course you want to understand and to follow thought,

etc. So astrology is one way that’s a calculated way where you use mathematics,planetary positions, time, the function of time of course, is then very important.

On the other hand is this whole psychic, what you call psychic or intuitive typeof perception where you don’t doubt what you see coming in. Then there is alsoa linguistic level, similar to what Cliff High does at Half Past Human, but hedoes it very, very scientifically.

I am able to actually read the thought of people and the totality of people sowhile I study astrology on my own and while I use it to the best of my ability, Ialso look at the language and thought patterns of people because I can read it.

That then too gives me then a clear indication of what it is going on and whatwill transpire. In addition I can see then also headlines and yet-to-be publishednews. That gives me sometimes an ability to understand what would come in.

But that’s where it gets tricky, sometimes it’s also wrong. I’m not always 100%right. So then in addition to that I use of course, simply relatively deeply placedinformation sources to understand what they’re actually working on.

Like I said, at this level all of this is analytical and then I synthesize the wholething by a sort of pattern recognition. The guidance I use is inherent alsobecause I often have to ask this guidance actually what I see, what this actuallymeans.

It’s not often clear to me what it actually means. I just see pictures and situationsand this guidance, if one can call it a guidance, is the same that is used by theNordics, who, to some extent work with me, then who later showed me what I’mdoing and how I can better and more effectively develop this whole thing intosome sort of; we’ll call it an art or a science.

G: Now this is where it gets fascinating because you say that you are part of anET force on planet earth that is, as you just mentioned is the Nordics. Tell meabout this relationship, who they are and how this happened to you.

M: Yes okay. The Nordics are part of, how you would say, an off-worldintelligence, which is part of a cosmic operating system guidance. Okay so ouressence soul is the core of the cosmic being and we don’t really know what that isand from my awareness I would say we are all time travelers, and so are theNordics.

So the essence is non-linear in time but it’s all encompassing and they are whatone could call light beings. Some call then the shining ones. They can howevertake human form. They could actually pass in bright daylight for humans.

There are scientists who have dealt with them inside of the U.S. They call themP-52 Orions. I believe they have different names. But anyway they operate in anunseen way. Their interest here is more to help some people to evolve at a more,let’s say, a developed techno-spiritual level.

They are a force that is helping to make people understand that they actuallyhave very highly advanced genetics and we should be using all of the geneticswe are given because we are operating here at a very reduced level,unfortunately.

G: Yes.

M: When we are able to actually work at say; compare it with a car, we’re usingtwo of twelve cylinders, briefly said, you know? So the Nordics are showinghow we can activate the other cylinders if we want.

But they do this from the background in a very elusive way and they don’tinterfere, you know.

G: And how long have they been doing this here?

M: I don’t know to be honest. I would think for, I don’t know, tens of thousandsof years. They’re very evolved, but they have taken, or should I say withdrawn,now from the whole picture. They don’t see this going very well.

G: Do they think of themselves as failing on this planet? Or have we failedthem?

M: That’s a very interesting question. I never thought of it in those ways. Idon’t know what to say. I think they; I don’t know because I can’t really speakfor them. Yes, they feel to some extent, one could say, we have failed.

But they wouldn’t say it like that. They would say we have the ability to fix thethings we’re doing wrong and to change our behavior. So essentially they’resaying if we can move out of thought and still- down the noise in the mind, in thebrain, then intelligence kicks in instead.

They’re suggesting we can use the inherent given intelligence of the humanbeing and then immediately the solutions will come to us. Such as, you know,the new way of using energy, anti-gravity at a whole technological level. They’rehighly advanced technologically speaking and in terms of so-called spirituality.

They just see the whole cosmology in a totally different way. So their job I couldsay would be to empower humanity to help people empower themselves. Andas I have said, they have somewhat withdrawn because there’s not much theycan do with us. We have to do it, you know? No one else can do it.

G: So they really feel as if they’ve done as much as they can?

M: Yes pretty much for the moment, yes.

G: Do they come from other planetary systems, or are they dimensionalcreatures or beings?

M: I would say they’re dimensional, yes. They don’t have, to my knowledge,some sort of home planet or star system, no. But I don’t get that dialogue withthem.

Also, they say it’s entirely unimportant. The only thing that’s important to themis that we would arrange our whole affairs on this planet on our own. Whatyou’re suggesting is correct. They’re inter-dimensional being. Light beings.

G: We’re gonna talk about a lot of your predictions of the future and the varioustypes of predictions Michael. But back in the ‘70’s you saw things that arehappening now, didn’t you? Was it frightening for you then? We’re talking 30years ago.

M: Yes. The late ‘70’s when I was just getting out of college and into university.I was about 19 or 20. No, it was not frightening. I was never- even today- when Isee what is going to happen. I never developed that notion of fear.

I would just see what is going on and I would see what’s coming and to me thiswas like, as you would be previewing a movie. To me I would just have thenotion of, oh that’s interesting.

But I had no judgment on it, if that’s supposed to be good or bad, any of that. Sono, I was not frightened at all. I would just say to people this does not work likethis, it won’t continue in this way and you need to change how you act. But no, therewas never any fear.

G: Because there’s just so many different events in the future that are soimportant to us, I’ll just try to categorize some of them for us Michael, and haveyou address them to see if you’ve seen anything and in terms of looking out.

All right, so we talked about a 30-year glance into the future. Do you go furtherout there than that sometimes? Past 30 years, maybe 40, 50, 100’s of years outinto the future?

M: Yes, yes actually I’m very interested in the longer shot because it’s where yousee much further in or out that you can actually calculate backwards. So, so far Ican say I have about a view, lets say to the year 2200.

Let’s say about a little under 200 years away. I can take you through this in anastrological way. There’s one very very important alignment that will be Uranusand Neptune conjunction in Aquarius that’s the year 2160 more or less.

That is a point when we reach another form of economy that is more breezy air,high tech space-based, and knowledge based. Then when you take it down inthe cycles of the planets you come down to 60 years, 40 years, 20 years.

So my next checkpoint; I’ve always said in my writings and the people I advise,its not 2012 at all. Its 2020 when Saturn and Pluto are together, that’s when theeconomy kick starts again.

Then the next point would be 2050, 2049, 2047 when there’s an important UranusPluto position. So those are these big checkpoints that one would look at as anastrologer.

G: Any spikes along the way Michael, where we kind of get out of it or we feel alittle better about it before it goes back down again along the way?

M: Yeah, sure there will be spikes. There’s one coming up right now forinstance. In the next 6 months there will be a feeling but that’s an illusion, okay?

There will be a feeling; its not a fact; a feeling of sort of a elated type hope andyou know words like, hope and future, stuff like that. That’s with Jupiter ChironNeptune and Aquarius.

There will be a feeling of things are going to look better or get better, etc. Yes it ispossible that at that point prices go up, commodities go up, gold of course goesup in value. The only think that is going to be falling is the dollar.

But there will be a feeling that one could have a spike up. But it’s meaninglesswhen set against a backdrop of everything else that is supposed to unfold now.

G: It’s also an illusion.

M: Our problems now will be in cycles you understand.

G: Absolutely. Now in this 11-year period, what is it that gets us out of thissituation Michael? Hold on we’ll be right back with you in just a moment.

G: Welcome back to Coast to Coast, Michael St. Clair with us. Michael this 11-year period, what gets us out of it in 11 years? What drastic change has occurredthen or the planet where economically things get better?

M: Well what going to happen is that one can say the whole economic, politicalsituation is a function of the earth changes. We have to address this now veryquickly because what is going to happen in the next few years is we cannotpretend that this is not happening, okay?

That’s very important. There’s going to be a series of climate and weatherchanges, sea level rises, etc and all sorts of changes too many to mention. Youknow, volcanoes, earthquakes, etc., this whole stuff, but these are the outerchanges.

They of course create a whole new platform for a different kind of economy butwhat really gets us out of it, to answer your question precisely, is our ownbehavior, our recognizing that we have been really somewhat misguided in theway we were handling our relationship with the planet.

As this whole awareness kicks in and as the hyper dimensional shift, themagnetics, etc., change it, we will realize that we have to do things differently

and this will create the new economy that is, basically moving away from anacquisition earth- type economy that we’ve had in the last, say 200 years.

Particularly the last 50, 60 years into a more knowledge based economy and thatlifts us out of it.

So you’re looking at about the first ten years that we discussed, but really it’sanother 50, 60 years, a double cycle of Saturn first into 2020 when Pluto andSaturn make the conjunction and then logically always after Saturn passes Plutoit picks up and goes upwards.

So that’s the first phase and then into say, 2049 and then 2080. So these changeswhen we talk now about climate, world events, which are due to climb, becausethat’s linked, of course…

G: Sure.

M: …not necessarily by cause and effect, but it’s like the stream picks up speeds,gets very strong, consistent and just at the moment before it drops over thewaterfall is when it takes to it’s real form.

So you look at changes really primarily of an inner nature and of a kind of innerearth changes that goes in hand with you know, volcanoes and stuff like that.That will potentially use food production and global resources and so theflooding and the increasing rainfall and winds and the cooling of the planet, theheating of the planet, extremes, all that stuff.

Coastal events, winds and sea level rises, etc., all that creates a catapult forcomplete change, human change that translates into economics, societal andpolitical change.

G: And I assume it will be a strong change for many many years to come afterthat?M: Yes. We are entering a completely new landscape and this begins rightaway. We have actually entered. People always have a tendency to say, wellwhat will be? Because they like to look into the future, they like to not look atwhere they are right now.

But if we look at where we are at now, we are in it. We have begun thesechanges. It’s not well reported but there are already now massive waves, very

strange phenomena in the ocean going on that are a little bit under-reportedbecause they are not happening in areas where we have a reporting structure inplace, but it’s ongoing.

We have heard in Maine there were a few strange phenomena with waves, inFrance, several times in the atolls of Papua, New Guinea, etc. So this is reallyhappening, this is in the process of going on and becoming stronger over thenext, say, 4 or 5 years.

This year now, 2009 is actually one in which we have had enough preparationtime to know there is potential flooding coming.

G: Well in this country Michael, we have had what we call earthquake swarms, 500plus earthquakes at Yellowstone Nat’l Park, which is sitting atop a supervolcano, a caldera, and if that thing ever goes, god help all of us. But we are in avery active state right now with this planet aren’t we?

M: Yes, yes we are. I would like to say about that caldera, I do not see that onegoing.

G: Okay.

M: That’s not what is going to happen. If that would happen, in theory, thatwould be like a nuclear winter…

G: Absolutely!

M: …and that I know will not happen. I can say pretty safely sitting here inGermany that will, that is not part of the timeline that I know of. There will bequakes, sure, there will be volcanoes, you know, smaller type, still big, still verydevastating, but not of that magnitude.

I would move away. I would advise people that they should be at least outsideof a radius of, Id say, 100 to 200 miles away from that place.

G: Will there be earth changes to the point where wars will be fought over of,lets say, the shortage of drinking water or land mass, for example?

M: Yes, that’s the whole point. The conflicts that are beginning now, that havebegun are already based on water or simple resources. Yes. Those are resourcewars, absolutely.

What you see going on in the Middle East is a typical resource war and so thatwill become stronger and stronger into the next 4 to 5 years. The earth changeswill create migrations of people, waves and waves of immigration of people intoseveral areas.

Europe will be a target. Where we are here we know that we are going tobecome a target for the people from the east, the Middle East to moving. Samesituation in your continent and these migrations lead to, of course, a form ofsocial unrest and that creates conflict.

So years you’re looking at basically resource wars. What we have so far, self-created wars, but then will come wars that are a logical consequence of thescarcity of food and water and simple things.

G: Michael what about innovation? Will we continue on this planet to createnew and innovative things? You know, will we get to a point, for example,where we don’t rely on gasoline for cars? Will we come up with otherinnovations to use electrical power? Maybe like grab it like Tesla wanted to,right out of the atmosphere? Will those things happen?

M: Yes, absolutely. This will be, this is not part of the positive consequences ofeverything that is going to happen. We could have had that 60, 70 years ago, thiswas suppressed, of course.

But now what’s going to happen, these so-called black operation military projectsthat are sitting on it will be released and people anyway have to acknowledgethere are scientists, young people around the world, who have solutions.

They just know at the moment it’s not ready, so they’re sort of hiding andtinkering away in their garages and stuff. But definitely there will be a new formof electrics, a new form of cosmic energy.

So sure, we will be replacing the way we’re dealing with energy production andconsumption and that is very soon. That is about to happen within the next 2 to4 years.

I mean this happening 2 to 4 years, that the beginning of the development willbecome visible and then over the next 10 to 15 years, we’ll be really applying it ata massive scale, yes.

G: How about our quest to go into space? Will we do this continually and willwe come across things, stuff we can only imagine? For example, like finding thepossibility that there was life on Mars and things like that?

M: Yes, well you know, in the black operation world, it’s going on and of courseit exists and we are on Mars and you know we have civilizations there and onthe Moon and other places.

I don’t think that we’ll be, in the next 10 to 20 years continuing this so muchbecause we’ll have other problems here to solve first.

Space travel really in the future will be done through time travel, so it is not thatwe go for a point A to B in some sort of a vehicle. There are other ways to dothat. That’s something the Nordics particularly know a lot more.

These things will kick in later, I would say in about 20 to 40 years. That will bethe next generation that will do that.

G: Do you believe that we have civilizations now on the Moon and Mars justhidden away there?

M: Yes, sure of course.

G: I mean, how long have they been there?

M: I don’t know. I don’t know, I mean if you take the idea of Arthur C. Clarke,that there is a civilization who put a monolith on a place to see how the monkeysare doing, I mean you’ve heard of the story Space Odyssey…

G: Yup.

M: …then who knows? Maybe million of years, you know? I don’t know,honestly. I don’t know the answer. But of course, we have civilizationseverywhere on many planets and a lot of solar systems. And all these planetsare, how should I say, are inhabited by humanoid species.

This is the point that people need to understand. We are all, the whole planetand the whole solar system, the galaxy, are currently entering a new cycle ofwhich the key point is 2013, 2014. That means humans are on earth and of earth,all races. They are like a group of salmons returning to their spawning ground.

G: Yeah.

M: So this is not an individual event of enlightenment. This is a whole planetaryevent affecting all of us, like in the same way the salmon have to move togetherupstream. So the change in these cycles is not a racial one as such, it is aplanetary or rather a inter-planetary change.

And it also affects the off-world civilizations, which as I said, they are allhumanoid. So some of the off-world races in this solar system are related to theplanetary earth humans in the same manner as the Americans are related toEuropeans.

The transition we face that includes all these changes we see happening,including societal climate changes, etc. are one could say, the analogy the watersof this river that the salmon are swimming there to return to the point we leftthat collectively say, 36,000 years ago. Because those are the cycles, they areabout 36,000 years.

So which we’re not coming to the end, and this end is what people talk aboutwith a lack of vocabulary as the last days or the end of times, when literallyspeaking; like Krishnamurti said, This is the ending of timing.

Which means this is the ending of thought. So in some way we return to thespawning ground, which is the return to our own humanity.

G: Michael, tell us how astrology works. I have always been fascinated with justthe mechanics behind it.

M: Okay, the mechanics are simple in that the planets have motion so, speed andmotion is what then defines actually the time they go into certain positions inline of certain fixed stars and certain constellations.

This can be measured and can be very predictable like a clock. It’s the clock ofthe cosmos, the clock of destiny, and based on studying the alignments that arevery cyclible.

You can then compare that to what is going on here on earth in terms of politics,economy, human behavior, etc. And then from there you’d extrapolate andthat’s what becomes not really precise, and more intuitive.

You can then from those extrapolations, say that a certain alignments in a certainplace, they classically mirror this type of behavior and you can look at it, youknow, thousands of years back and forward.

G: And your specialty is financial and political astrology even though you doeverything, right?

M: Yes.

G: And they’re tied hand and hand. Do you see any major changes for us withlet’s say, this administration change that is gonna occur shortly? I mean willthere be some upside here for us?

M: Yes and no. You see what’s interesting actually here is anecdote almost, isthat this administration is getting sworn in at really at just about the worstmoment, astrologically speaking.

G: It is a bad time to do it. That’s true.

M: Well if I was the astrologer of these people, first of all I would have told themyou just don’t do it randomly every 4 years at the moment when the sun is in thefirst degree of Aquarius.

That’s typical human behavior that does things logically and when you wouldactually behave with the planets and then you would say, well that day is notreally good because the moon, it always, of course, does not really apply.

Mercury is in retrograde. You are within 5 days of a solar eclipse, etc. So he hasat least 3 deal breakers, one of each is not good. Each one is good enough tobode ill for the whole venture.

Put those three together, it’s not a good time. So now I’m concerned because ofthat, that it won’t work. But it’s not the way I look at it. It’s simply that the newadministration of the last, say 40 years, it’s the same people, same structure, samefederal reserve, you know, all that.

G: Oh yeah.

M: So that whole administration is simply going to attempt with a few new facesand a lot of old faces to hold together the status quo. So this to them is moreimportant than to actually solve the problems or even address the underlyingissues.

So that in itself is a mandate for failure by July 2010. So by the middle of 2010this whole thing comes unglued astrologically speaking, also in human logicalterms when you progress it.

So the astrology now dictates that we would have a radical change that isrequired and that the business as usual approach will just not cope with what iscoming within the next, say 2 to 3 years.

So what I’m saying is that things cannot go on as they were done before. Even ifthey want to be a stupid ass to pretend not to realize what is actually happening.So no, you cannot have hope in that.

You see hope is a function of the future. You’re always looking out into thefuture and say, oh I hope this will change. That’s not how it’s going to work. Whatis going to change things is that people will have to become self-responsible.

They have to realize in the next few months quickly, they cannot rely on systemsof any kind. Whether they’re schools, universities, you know, logistics, systemslike economy, politics, and government.

All that’s passed, this is the old paradigm, it’s over. So within 2 years at the verylatest, people need to become self-sufficient and self-responsible and organizetheir own communities. That’s the future, in a positive way.In the negative way; which I dislike talking about that; you are looking at asituation where the U.S. is most likely to break apart.

G: And you know we’ve heard this from other predictors as well. That’s what’skind of frightening to me Michael, is the fact that other astrologers or psychicsare seeing the same thing.

M: Yes, I think they are looking at it in a logical way. You have on the one handthe movement that is trying to bring everything together on the one roof of theso-called controllers. The problem is we don’t have to look at them as the enemybecause WE are the enemy.

You see we are the ones who have not paid attention and we’re the ones that arenot furthering our own genetics.

G: That’s right.

M: So when astrologers and psychics look at this they see the obvious. That’slike saying that you see a car coming at 60 mph at you and just saying, yeah thecar is coming and so what are you gonna do about it, you know?

G: Yeah, you gonna just stand there and watch it or are you gonna get out of theway?

M: Exactly! So what’s going on now is two trends. So on the one hand, thetrend that is trying to bring everything into one world government, or into aNorth American Union, kind of like we have here, but all of this is falling apart.

So you have the other trend that is a break up into regions and localities andsmall communities. Because in reality, once the logistics and the economy don’twork, the currency fails within about 4 to 5 months, and the economy is toast.

You have no more logistics and structures, universities close, schools close,businesses close, Wall street is down, it’s finished, you know? At that pointlogically people have to self organize and then politics as it was, has nothing todo anymore.

I mean they’ll be a few people in Washington legislating over themselves, butthat’s like children playing in the sandbox aside from a surreality that hasnothing to do with what’s really going on.

G: You see this total collapse happening over a what period? Soon?

M: Fast. It’s beginning in a few days, weeks, immediately, as the newadministration is sworn in. The problems will come out. You see they have notgiven the new administration the proper data of what its really happening.

G: No, I think you’re right about that too. They’re gonna walk in and go, oh mygosh! What have we walked into!

M: Yes, yes and then in a few months it will already show. I would say that byMay, end of May, early June is when it becomes acutely clear to everyone what isgoing on. By that point its’ kind of too late.

G: We’re gonna take this quick break Michael St. Clair. Then we’ll be right backwith you for more and we’ll turn the phone lines on in a moment to give you anopportunity to talk with them. I’m George Noory. Back in a moment to Coast-to-Coast a.m.

And tonight we’re talking with astrologer Michael St. Clair and we’ll be backwith him in a moment. We’re talking about 2012 and the Mayan Calendar enddate. That’s next on Coast-to-Coast a.m.

Welcome back to Coast- to- Coast. Michael St. Clair with us. Michael lets getyour take on 2012. You see things happening in 2020. Tell us a little about 2012and where that fits astrologically.

M: Yes, 2012 is simply a transition phase. Basically it will be seen like a deadzone in what actually not much happens. It’s like the eye of the storm. So goinginto 2012 right now this year, 2009 and 2010,2011, is actually, one could say, inquotation marks, much much worse, and coming out of it the other end, 2014 to2020 will be even extreme so at this crisis, in my book, all the potential scenariosare in there, which to some extent, to the point of where change has to beachieved through our intent.

The mind being the tool of the intent, which we will set, and the intent having tobe peace and cooperation and sharing of resources and all these things we talkedabout. So in a way, 2012 is highly overrated and will in hindsight be seen a littlebit like Y2K was in ’99, or Planet X in 2003.

So it’s a large scale psychological operation once could say. But there is no suchthing as ascension and enlightenment. All these are just words that people like

to talk about because they remain in thought instead of being quiet and letintelligence kick in.

So 2012 is a code word for something else, which is the entire change that takesplace over a period of at least 12 to 20 years in reality.

G: You talk about in your work Light-Seeds, your book, true topics of thefuture, and as we talk about the Mayan cycle and that these include, of course,earth changes you would say, would that be the top…?

M: Yes. The earth changes that are in progress now and they’re becomingstronger and stronger and are the basis of what is going to bring about thechange. We have a chance to bring this change upon ourselves by our ownvolition, and collectively somehow we missed that.

So now the earth changes will prompt us into doing what we have to do. Sowhen you ask about what the real topics are and what the future is, I would saywe are now busting all paradigms; we are ending everything that was the old.

We’re now moving into subjects that we have to now invent. Okay so wediscussed free energy, anti-gravity, etc. There’s frequency healing that is goingto come.

There will be a whole new way of how we heal ourselves from, you know, thetrauma of being human, of being on this planet, of being in this realm ofseparation. I believe the new topics are going to be that we realize that we all areinside of; what we call the Matrix, and that we realize how to get away from this,or how we step slightly sideways out of thought structure.

So the new topic for instance, will be time travel, things of that nature.Something totally new will be discussed which then will be used to create neweconomics and new realities and to come back to what we were discussing.

Which then leads to us becoming self-responsible and self sufficient and able tofurther our lives without relying on an outside agent, be that government oreconomy or systems of any kind.

G: You have a phrase called the Radiant Zones. What are they? What do theymean?

M: Okay the radiant zones is a concept that; in other words Cliff High ofHalfPastHuman.com. calls this Bog Life, Beyond Organized Government, livingoutside of the system.

So this is a question of guidance and as our new questions about theUNKNOWN must be asked of the new cycle coming. We see that the new cyclebecomes the teacher.

So you have on the one hand a group of humanity, mankind that is a mixture ofthe more primitive and the most highest and the most advanced and this is aformed combined operating system sort of, of the lowest and the highest and theancient cultures.

Now we are coming to a time when we collectively decide if we’re really goingeven lower in the evolution, devolution, or we return to the highest realmpossible. And I’m saying we’ll be to the higher point by 2020 to 2050, in thosedecades.

What we’re gonna need first before we get there in order to live outside thesystem and independently and self-sufficiently and self responsibly etc., are tocreate places, not just geographically, but I mean inner places of what I callRadiant Zones.

Which means we are going to be, of course, in the next few years, surrounded by3-D reality of massive changes. Some of it will not look very pretty but instead ofconcentrating on the negative; we got to look at what we can do about this.

So this idea is that people step outside of the system with a few friends, ahandful of friends, trusted people that are on the same page. And create theircommunities in; let’s say zones of little or no human activity.

That will mean outside the cities in land higher up from the coasts, etc. So I’msaying we need to not do this just to survive. We don’t need to do this out ofmotivation for getting out of trouble.

But we should do this because we want to crate a balance with earth and begin touse energy differently and create all these things we discussed. New electric,new cosmic energies and anti-gravity.

So we need places in which scientists and researchers can peacefully work andcontinue to find solutions for humanity. And for this the best way to work I feelis to create radiant zones which are places outside of the system, in which webegin to function a new life that can be highly advanced technologicallyspeaking.

But based on earth with beautiful architecture, rounded structures and with aneye to planetary movements and earth changes, etc. And then out of that comesa sort of self-government, new societies and a whole future of the functioning ofman.

G: I’m just glad we’ve got this apparent illusion over the next 11 years of spikeswhere it’s not gonna be all doom and gloom for us, even though it’s not reallysolid.

M: You have to look at it in a positive way. See, what’s happening outside isactually unimportant, it’s irrelevant. What we have to concentrate on isourselves and what we are doing.

We’ll be soon learning that we are on our own, and that’s good news. Becauseotherwise we’d still be relying on these systems, you see what I mean?

So yes, there will be spikes up and down, etc. But that’s not relevant, what wehave to do now; those who want anyway; we need to find friends and build littlecommunities out of which we than create our own reality.

That’s the applied spirituality. It has to change with the behavior. It’s not justthoughts and ideas. It’s really the concrete 3-D world in which we are gonnachange how things are done world wide.

G: Are you aware Michael, of a so-called time traveler from the year 2036 by thename of John Titor?

M: Yes of course, I have been watching this with great interest. He’s amazing; Imean he’s not around anymore from what I understand.

G: He’s gone, yeah.

M: But I’ve studied his writings and I think he communicated something veryimportant to us. If he’s correct actually, he is seeing the developments from hisviewpoint more or less in the way we are discussing now, tonight.

G: Do you think he truly could have been a time traveler, or perhaps he doeswhat you have done and that’s time traveling through astrology?

M: I don’t know the true answers, I don’t know. If it’s made up, it’s really wellmade up, and will be proven true no matter what.

But I actually do feel it is possible to come in from the future. So to answer, ifthere are time travelers, that’s clear, we’re all time travelers. What he sees is thatthe future does interface with us, that’s correct.

That is a fact. So the communications by John Titor make it clear that there aredifferent variations of timelines and futures and nothing is really set in stone.The direction we take is actually dependent on how we live and how we behave.

So yes, there are time-line intrusions going on and they’re being attemptedconstantly. There is a level of time travel technology that allows the BlackOperations to interfere and that’s taking place.

Of course we see that all time. There are timelines that have in the future thathave clearly taken the wrong direction. So they have been given some primitivetechnology, which they used to create unwelcome future; let’s say, forthemselves; as well as for us.

So having seen that they made mistakes they’re trying to come back in and fix it.And by fixing it they make it worse for us. So they did not see this coming and Ido not feel that they have the power to lead us into a disaster, no matter howthey try.

So people who are alive now must simply know not to give away their power toanything from outside and to know that you’re in command of your ownexistence. That’s the most important part and then you begin to realize that youyourself are a time traveler and that you yourself have command of all of yourlives, past and future.

G: Let’s talk about your work, Light-Seeds The Futures of Planet Earth. Thebasis for the book is positive I think, as you look into the future. Would youagree?

M: Yes, yes that’s right.

G: And when you were putting it together, did you come across areas that youfelt mankind must alter in the future, if we have that ability?

M: Yes absolutely and this is the time now, this year. We are now in the year2009, of the greatest transformation. This is a year of action where we have tograb it now.

So I wrote this a couple years ago, rather a couple years ago was when it waspublished finally. When you read it, it’s applied right now and it’s sort of anagenda type calendar going through the next say 40 to 50 years.

You can follow it like a small guideline but written in such a way you can reallyinvent you own timelines and create your own future by being guided from yourown future.

Because what I am saying is we have the ability not only to remember where wecame from and see the past etc. but to become like a living shaman, who can stepout of the logic of thought time-line, because you know, thought is time.

Then you become aware that you have a future incarnate, so to speak, thatguides you to make the best possible actions in the now.

G: Yeah, I was gonna say, it’s almost like a guide for the future isn’t it?

M: Yes, that’s right.

G: Of everything that you have looked at in the future, compelling things, isthere one area there that you think we should immediately attempt to fix?Whether it’s the earth changes, the economy, whatever it could be?

M: Yes, I feel that the most important thing we have to do, so to speak is fixourselves. In other words, we should not look outside.

What people do, without fail, for thousand of years, what we all do, is we alwayslook outside. We look for solutions outside, or for problems outside and we don’tsee that within ourselves we are the solution.

So that’s what we have to fix. We have to turn inside and really take a look at thepossibility we can radically change the way we perceive the world. The way wefunction is our thought-world, and out of that stillness if we can stop thought,we will see that intelligence kick in.

That is akin to seeing and out of that the solution becomes instantly available. Sowhat I am saying is we should not focus outside on whatever earth changes,politics, economy, all that stuff.

We have to focus within and connect with ourselves. That’s the most importantthing and it can be done on any day, right now, every moment.

G: You talk about how people can move out of the Matrix, also The Cave, asSocrates used to say. Is it that easy to do that?M: Yes it is. You see first you have to understand what is that thing we now callthe Matrix or Socrates had the name The Cave two and half thousand year ago, sohe knew about it too.

This is something that has always been around for thousands of years. James,the creator of Wingmakers, who gave an interview to Project Camelot, called itthe Human Mind System.

It is formed from our own consciousness. So it comes from our collective fearsand sorrows and attachments and so on. And to end all this business and movebeyond it, it requires simply that we end fears and sorrows, etc., and we endthought.

So the ending of all that is the ending of the Matrix. In other words this thingthat everyone talks about is an internal mechanism and nothing really pulls fromoutside to begin with.

See, a baby that is born doesn’t have that problem at birth. So you are born intothis world essentially having the ability to do one of two things. Either you giveyour energy into maintaining the illusions of fear attachments, sorrow, etc. oryour effort goes into ending that and you no longer contribute to building ofthese internal walls.

So what I’m saying is don’t look at controllers and say, oh the system, and this andthat and the other. It’s you; it’s us, inside. We need to end this and so yes, it iseasy.

When we realize that we have to stop thought, the machine, the monkey-mindand go into stillness and see intelligence take over and then we are outsideinstantly.

G: I like what you do Michael, and I think it’s a great job that you provide forsociety. How do people get a hold of you if they want to get more information?

M: On my website Passage11.com, and there they have contact there, the abilityto get the books, watch videos that I had with Project Camelot where I explain offew things.

I had a long 2-hour conversation with Kerry Cassidy, and other updates that I’vegiven now for 2009 up to 2014,2015. That’s all on Passage11.com.

G: You know normally we’ll talk to astrologers and psychics about the futureand it’s pretty fascinating how a lot of you have similar views. Like youspecialize in the political and financial end of what happens on the planet andthat others you know, more into relationships and things like that. But by andlarge everybody seems to be coming to the same focal point; that this planet isgoing to undergo a massive change. Massive change.

M: Yes.

G: And there’s nothing we can do to stop it. What we have to do is react to it.M: Yes that’s the main view of one school of thought. But I’m saying like Iexplained before, I don’t feel that we have to react to it.

We have to go inside and solve our own internal problem. And if only a few dothat, it doesn’t take many, if a few thousand can solve that inner problem; thattakes quite some work; then we change the collective stream of thought ofmankind.

So this is why I’m saying we have to review our notions of what we think weknow on an almost daily, hourly basis. Right now without the changes that arecoming, it is gonna go so fast that we’ll have a hard time to even keep up withthe changes.

So I thing it’s important we do not get caught ever, from now on, in a fixedperception of reality and events. We have to stay week-by-week, day-by-day,almost in the flow, very fluid and flexible to learn to see everything new.

The main thing, the main advice is we have to use our intuition first of all and wehave to stay totally fearless. The rest are technical, more, you know, detailedideas to create radiant zone communities, to move over to gold and silver.

To move out of the cities, etc. All that’s a tactical level of change. But it’s reallyto become aware that we have to question everything that we know and we haveto review all our beliefs, our knowledge.

You have to understand that the KNOWN is not the truth, that what we know isvery limited. That thought is limited and we need to move out into theUNKNOWN. Because the solutions obviously are going to be in theUNKNOWN and not in the KNOWN.

G: All right, when we come back Michael, we’ll open up phone lines for you togive people the opportunity to chat with you as well.

Michael St. Clair- his book is called LIGHT-SEEDS Futures of Planet Earth andMichael mentions his website is linked up at Coast –to-Coast.com. He’s anastrologer and he forecasts an incredible overview of the years ahead on goodold planet earth so we’ll be back with him in just a moment. We’ll open up thephone lines early because of interest here with Michael St.Clair.

G: Okay Michael, you ready for some phone calls?

M: Yes!

G: Okay, here we go. I’ll pick it up by going to Pikesville, Maryland. Brian,you’re on the air with us and Michael St. Clair. Hi there!

Caller: Um, hi, thanks for taking my phone call. I just have one question andthen I’ll get off the air and let you answer it. I’m more than willing to do this andmake the changes but how? I mean, more specifically, what mechanics, I mean Ijust want to learn how to do this; you know, be on my merry way and do it?

G: (Laughing) Okay, some more advice Michael.

M: Yes I understand the question. That’s a very good question, everybody asksyou know. The true answer is there is no method. There are no techniques orany of that.

Again you must not look outside to any type of solutions or any Masters orteachers or all that stuff.

You see that’s the old paradigm so you already know inside of yourself how tochange. The only method, if this is a method is; I’ll repeat it; is if you get out ofthought, still everything down, so you don’t ask that question, how to change,you just change.

I hope it makes sense, I know it sounds very mysterious, but the approach tolook at outside for solutions is doomed right off the bat. You will not getanymore further so you can do all the meditations you want.

You can do anything that comes from outside including reading my booksincluding even listening to me. It’s not that, which helps, it’s you yourself insideof yourself that will see the solution. You will see that YOU are the solution.

G: As you look into the future, are timelines important Michael?

M: Yes, yes certainly. We discussed it briefly in the sense that there are manytimelines. I call them these realities, actually, or let’s say dimensions. With thishyper dimensional shift that’s coming some of which that David Wilcock talkedto you about last night.

G: Right.

M: With all that happening, you have several realities stacking up on top of eachother and actually existing simultaneously. So we can call these timelines. It’sjust that the word triggers a notion. That it is a linear thing, which it is of course,not.

So let’s call them realities that interact with one another. So our job is to catch theright one and choose the reality we want to be in…

G: Okay…

M: So the fact that you are…. sorry to interrupt you.

G: No no no. I was interrupting you, go ahead.

M: No I was just saying that the fact that you are saying this or that and yourlistener is asking this question, the fact that we’re discussing this shows thechange. You understand? We are the change in other words.

G: So true. Okay East of the Rockies. We’ll go to Berkline, Massachusetts. HeyBen, go ahead.

Caller: Howdy, uh, I believe that I have to get away from the East coast or anycoast. My kids are on the West coast. I think they want to get away from theWest coast.

I think it’s going to be untenable, especially in a big city, as you’ve spoken. I’vestudied astrology under some of the best astrologers and my hunch is to find agood secure place to live.

So I wanted, my question specifically is, geographically, do you have any insightinto a good place inside the USA? Even with the break up that I know is coming,I think we’re gonna fragment into something other than a large country.

Do you think that there is a specific place that is more tenable for a small groupof people to start working the way you’re talking about?

We are all artists, craftsmen, builders, etc. The people I know and we’re notunacademically attuned to things, but we are all also doers. We know how tobuild, create, construct, create music, uh, build buildings, etc.

I designed an underground house, as a matter of fact, myself, that is built overthe ground that will be covered with earth for security purposes, disguised aswell as comfort, because you have less problems with the weather.

So I’m part artist, designer, illustrator, public relations person, etc. I one took abusiness from $700,000 to 3 million in three years. Retired at the age of 36 for thefirst time…

G: Good for you.

Caller: We spent 25 years with the Boston Globe and they bought me out for ahundred G’s...(garbled conversation)

G: All right, where should he move there Michael?

M: Yes I understand his question and he’s very good and he already knows theanswers inside of himself. The key thing that you said was that you know howto build, you surround yourself with beauty as well as art, music.

You are already inside of yourself; you create a network with people.Geographically speaking, I’ll briefly answer that it’s obvious to stay off coastlinesknowing that we have these potential sea level rises and coastal events.

So you move inland. I cannot say for sure what is safe. No one knows that, noone can sit here and say, oh I know this and that is safe. But I believe as long as youare, say in a inland area, on higher ground, outside of cities where you don’thave to be with the whole human mental fallout, you’re good to go.

Like I said, activity or let’s say, zones of little or no human activity is what Iwould consider safe. So you look up on a map and you look at what you like,mostly what speaks to you.

Let yourself be guided, maybe go there, take a trip, see how you feel about it.Look at signs, what comes to you, what kinds of people you meet. Simple thingslike that.

I believe the area in Arizona is a good one. I hear certain areas in Utah. But Idon’t like to point to places. I think that’s not the way to go.

You find that out on your own and you seem to know exactly what you’re doingso you’re very well poised to be very successful with your skills because you arepointing to the solution which is to be self-sufficient and self-responsible.

You find a few people like that and create your community and then you willbecome an asset to the outside community. They will then most probably retainyou and want you to help them and with that you become a community leader.

G: Michael, over and above the astrological impact of all this, isn’t a lot of thistoo, common sense? Just looking at things that are happening on the planettoday and just using your brain to figure out what’s going on and to what couldhappen?

M: Of course, this is the whole point. It’s obvious. It’s self-evident what’s goingon.

Anyone who has half a notion of what is actually happening immediately mustsee what the solution is.

You’re absolutely right. I’m surprised that we have to sort of repeat this overand over because again, those are just outside question of a tactical or technicallevel. And you’re right, you just see what’s going on around you and it’s easy toextrapolate that 2 years from now it is so tight, the situation, that you are welladvised to make your preparations now.

Those are inner preparations first, of inner kinds that lead to something, toconclusions of what has to happen in a material technical manner.

G: You know a lot of times people aren’t into the inside information that eitherwe are privy to or are more aware of. But you know as we talk about it onprograms like this and in your work Light-Seeds, as more and more of thisinformation gets out, I think that gives people the ability to, you know,determine what their futures could look like.

M: Yes. Yes absolutely correct what you say.G: Ron in Sacramento, California, wild card line, you’re on with us. Hey Ron!

Caller: George, Michael, I feel a lot of the 20th Century inventiveness is beensuppressed to protect the business interest of the corporate capitalist elite. Ibelieve that many discovered cures; one is oxygen and ozone treatment for allkinds of diseases and cancer.

And Nicola Tesla, you could concentrate sun to melt salt to drive steam in thedesert places. Clean abundant solar energy, solar thermal energy and usingfungi for herbicides, fertilizers and insecticides like Dr. Paul Stamets has beenworking on.

The solutions are there, I think we need to control the means of production andcooperate and through togetherness we can actually understand how his planetworks and work with it instead of against it the way the petrol chemicalparadigm has done for the past decade. Do you agree with that?

G: Well, that’s a good point, good point.

M: He’s right. You see all names and people and all the things he mentioned,they were suppressed because of factors, the most important of which is the issueof control and keeping the monkey brain in the primitive and the mind on alower level.

So blocking out creativity was a major factor and still is a major factor in stiflingour imagination to keep us anti-innovative and almost anti-life at a lower level.

When in fact the human being, we are extraordinarily innovative by geneticnature. We are here to create. So to destroy innovation and imagination, thatwas and is an extreme from of control that begins in schools and this is a sign forhumanity.

This is a sign for mankind that all of mankind is suppressed. So everything wementioned here, so far, this is the key, everything we’ve presented. Ourrelationship with this higher force, with this planet, the planet being a being ofit’s own intelligence, and so the way to change it is that we do what is said.

There are so many that have the solution, they just need to be brave enough to doit. Not think about it, just put it on the map. Later then, say 20 to 40 years formnow, there is another factor that will come in and help us and that’s the fact thatchildren of a very highly advanced new genetic or form are going to be born.

They will be here and look around and they will say, this is not acceptable. Therewill not be just one Tesla or one Reich or one Krishnamurti. There will be tens ofthousands of them and they will just say, you know we need to shift.

So what he said is right. We just have to do it.

G: How many of us are being manipulated by these events that are being castupon us Michael, to control?M: To some extent one could say we are all manipulated if you are really honestand then it is a matter of us recognizing that.

Just coldly looking at ourselves and just take a step back outside of the pictureslightly an inch out of thought and say, wait a second, what’s going on here. Andthen we know immediately what to do next, you know?

G: Yeah. Seth in Laramie, Wyoming. First time caller. Hi Seth!

Caller: Hello there George, thanks for having me on.

G: Okay.

Caller: You know I’ve paid a lot of attention to your work that you’ve done atProject Camelot and some of these other things on your website. And it happensto be the case that essentially I’m one of what you might call a Star Seed or Light-Carrier, one of these individuals.

And I only bring that up because you at one point stated that the people that hadshifted the time line at this point in time to bring about the election of BarackObama among other events surround it, were going to be karmically responsiblefor these things, which I don’t necessarily agree with.

But I’d just like you to expand on what it is you implied because by necessity youadmit we all played a hand in shifting these time dimensional, timemanifestations and so I’d just like to hear what you think about, uh, you know,that kind of thing.

And what you think about the people that were in a more primary way- withoutme explaining and going into detail- involved with that kind of thing, such as,meaning the bringing about the timeline where Barack Obama is president.

M: Yes, I understand your question, what you mean. I know exactly what yourefer to in my audio and video with Project Camelot.

Okay, it’s not too important. Let me put it first of all this way, the outside stuff,we look at it as irrelevant whether its x or y. I’m not even going to say namesthat are so-called in charge.

First of all they are in charge of nothing. They are being told. Tomorrow morning,Sir, you’re to look into camera #2 and read this text and the next day at that meeting yousay this.

They have less power over their day-to-day life than you have. So if that helpsyou situate yourself, but it is true that this was a timeline intrusion because theactual result of the election, we will not know this.

Of course we cannot prove this but the ponderance was that the other timelinewas going to be chosen. There was another way of going about this which isnow academic which will not happen as so.

What you have now is an administration that will continue the works of thosewho feel they have control of the events. But as I had explained, in that interviewthat you referred to, they don’t have control.

You see they think they have but we will soon see they have not. As a matter offact things have now spun out of control of the so-called planners. They havecertain ideas of how they could do it and they are now about to see that it is wayoutside of what they planned and so it does not really matter.

This is why you have to do your own thinking now and work on your own. Butto answer the background of your question, really it’s not even so much a matterof, you know, light and dark, good or bad, these timeline intrusions or blackoperations, they are not even essentially bad in the sense that we should notjudge it.

It’s just that their stance to humanity is anti-life and they don’t really know whatthey’re doing with these timeline intrusions. So they don’t really care for theplanet, which will cause situations out of balance, which one then calls dark orevil, etc.

But those are just words, you know. They’re anti-life essentially and this is veryimportant to differentiate. And so to understand because later there will come anamnesty phase in about 10 years or so or maybe in about 4 years when we willhave a situation where these faces behind the administration will try to exchangetheir higher advanced technologies and knowledge against being forgiven forwhat was going on.

So we have to be open for this amnesty phase and this time is coming quickly ina few years.

G: It’s going to be fascinating time ahead Michael.

M: Yes.

G: No doubt about that. Gary in Santa Maria, California, west of the Rockies. HiGary!

Caller: Hi George met you in Santa Maria. I was the tall guy with the cowboyhat that, uh…

G: Oh yeah! I wanted your hat if I recall! (Laughing)

Caller: I have a question for Michael regarding the mechanics of personalitydevelopment and compatibility as it comes to astrology. I’d like to give you aone minute explanation of my mechanics behind it after I hear his if I would beallowed to?

G: Okay.

M: Yes, you mean compatibilities? I honestly don’t believe in it. But I think it’sall nonsense. Just like everything that’s based on thought.

You see I question astrology. Although I’m an astrologer, I laugh about it. Ithink that the astrology practice today is like children’s calculus compared to ahighly advanced mathematics of which we have not understood, you know, thefirst letter of it.

So the real astrology is hidden and will be shown gradually over the next say10,20 years.I’m studying this when I can.

I believe that the compatibility between people that astrology shows, there arecertain preponderances that you can look at it and think about it. But you knowat the end you have to do what you are doing.

So I have seen, to answer the question, perfect compatibilities mathematicallyspeaking, in theory and practically, and the thing didn’t work out to begin withand I’ve seen the opposite where people that were supposed to be non-compatible just work beautifully together.

So that proves that even astrology has its limitation and you have to see that.

G: And Gary, give us about a 35 second synopsis.

Caller: Okay, 35 seconds. Protons, neutrons and electrons. Hydrogen andoxygen that make up the water molecule (garbled speech) so you hold up yourfist and it would be expanded to the nucleus of a hydrogen atom.

The rotating electron around it would be almost 6 miles away. In quantumphysics your Hague and Boson particles affect that vibration of that orbit that thecloser you get to somebody. George you’re an Aquarius, I mean you’re aGemini-Aquarius, one chance out of 144. I’m an Aquarius-Gemini, just theopposite. If you were a girl I’d probably be in love…

George: (Laughing)

Caller: But I do think that’s quantum…

G: Thank god I’m not then, huh? (Laughing)

Caller: Yeah, but I do think quantum mechanics and astrological compatibility ata quantum level, where nothing is empty space, everything is affectedimmediately…

G: Okay my friend, there’s your 35 Gary. Thanks.

M: He’s right. What he said is right. The summary he gave you, that’s actuallywhat it’s all about.

G: Michael, you know, gosh, here we are, we’ve got this administration takingover in just weeks and look at all the problems that they’re facing and theyhaven’t even taken over yet!

M: Well you see from where you sit, if you look at it from where one could saythat they have not taken over yet, but they have.

You know the same people are in charge behind and then you’ll see many facesthat have been in the inner wheels of the whole operation all the time for the last20 to 40 years, right?

I mean you have all the faces you recognize. So they know to some degree whatthey are up against. However you are right. They are not given the actual data,which they will then be facing in the reality.

They will be amazed because they really have not looked at the situation veryproperly.

G: No doubt. We’ll be back with some more phone calls in the final hour onCoast-to-Coast a.m.

Did you know that Michael St. Clair predicted Sara Palin would be president in2012? We’ll talk about that and take your phone calls in just a moment on Coast-to-Coast a.m.

Michael, do you travel much? Do you go to conferences and things like that?

M: I don’t have time for conferences, I do very rarely some small classes,workshops, but they’re more client orientated…

G: Yeah, okay.

M: Clients simply ask me questions to how to restructure their businesses orwhere to move to, that kind of stuff in that sense I travel. Other than that, theycome to me.

G: 2012, Sara Palin, huh, what do you think?

M: Well, you know, to be blunt, I think she has won the election in the sense thatshe has opened the future.

What’s going on now, what’s beginning here in a few weeks, that’s on it’s wayout. That’s the ending now of the old paradigm, and there will be many Palins,there will be hundreds of woman like her and guys like, you know, the ones onthe phone with us; they will be the new leaders.So she’s a symbol for something else and that is in a way, we have to say, she’san independent, right, she disguises as a whatever, a republican, those are justnames.

G: Right.

M: But she has completely independent thinking. A mind of her own and thefact that the mass media attacked her in that way shows you right there thatshe’s a threat to the whole system;

And I find it a little difficult to believe, to understand, that people don’t see theobvious, because she really opened the way for them. Whether she really comes

back or not is irrelevant, in that sense she has won the election for all intentpurposes.

She has opened the future and that’s in a great deal thanks to McCain and hemade this possible. That was his manly act of saying we have something elsecoming.

G: As frustrating as it is right now, I can think of no better time to be alive onthis planet, to look into the future and to live the future Michael. I mean to meit’s fascinating.

M: Yes that’s the point. You see the wheels are spinning now and thedimensions are moving into each other so close that in the next few years this isit, the time of the future, which is now. The future is now.

You’re absolutely right; this is the moment that we’ll be seeing the future in abest way. So yes this is the most exciting time where we have all the choices.

G: Okay, let’s go back to the phone. The phone calls this hour are going to go byvery quickly, it’s our last one with you Michael St. Clair. We’ll go toGreensborough, North Carolina. Sheila, you’re on with us. Hi!

Caller: Hi Michael! I’ve been a client of Michael since August and I’m reallyeternally grateful for your guidance. While I have been going within intuitively,there’s still some powerful earth energies that surround us.

G: Yes.

Caller: And I’ve been looking at your beautiful crystal resonators on your siteand I was wondering how their encoded energies can affect this stuff in ourradiant zones?

M: Yes I understand. You mean the crystal, the new crystal star resonators?

Caller: Yes.

M: That’s something I came up with by vaguely remembering what I did inAtlantis. We have these huge crystal domes, we use those for interplanetarytravel and communications and time travel and all that sort of stuff.

What I found out is that, okay we’re all magnetic, water, the earth, the stars, thebrain, the pineal gland; everything’s magnetic, right? So we have crystalsactually in our brain. We are in some part made of crystal.

So that portion of us communicates with the earth and crystal of earth and faraway systems. So I found out when we put crystals around us; the bigger thebetter; we connect with energy and we can use the crystals, like say in Lord ofthe Rings, the seeing stones.

And these crystals begin to talk to us in a silent way and create an energy shieldthat, of course creates an orgone shield and a protection shield around yourhouse, your home, your office.

And the bigger they are, the more protection they can give over a vast acreage.So if you have say, a radiant zone or a place of, say 10 to 100 acres, you canpower it up with these kinds of instruments.

And you can use them of course, also for healing as well. Other that that it’s justart, it’s pretty to have around at the very least.

G: Okay very good. Thanks Sheila. Keith in Marlton, New Jersey. Hey Keith,go ahead.

Caller: Good morning George.

G: Good morning, sir.

Caller: I have a comment and a question.

G: Yeah, sure.

Caller: I don’t know if you guys ever read the book, On the Beach, it waswritten 50 years ago. It was about a 3rd World country getting a hold of a nuclearbomb and attacking the U.S. and Great Britain.

Then our computers going overboard and firing back and the country inquestion was Egypt. And pretty soon the Soviet Union gets involved and Chinaand the whole Northern Hemisphere was wiped out with nuclear, you know,explosions everywhere and fallout and everybody died.

G: There’s also a movie about that with Gregory Peck.

Caller: Yeah, the movie is a very old movie, about 55 years old now.

G: Mm-hmm, you’re right.

Caller: It’s funny that they were foreseeing that Egypt maybe got a hold of anuclear bomb even back then. That it’s a country that would have a grudgeagainst the West.

And I thought that was very prophetic because of what’s going on today. And Iwas wondering Michael, if it would change this paradigm if he would realizethat there’s a potential 50 plus, some of them Islamic nations that are getting ahold of this nuclear capability.

Right now Egypt wants the bomb as they used to say- the Tom Lehrer song.And, uh…you know Pakistan already has one and Saudi Arabia is interested inone. If any radical Islamic groups get a hold of a nuclear bomb, how does that fitwith the paradigm of the future?

G: Okay that’s a good question. What do you think Michael?

M: Yes, I understand. This will not happen because their interests are muchlarger that just planet earth. And they will not let the planet get wasted in thatway.

That will not happen and you know, when people talk about nuclear power andnuclear…that’s all nonsense. Anyway that’s an antiquated technology of theGrays that will not be used.

And apart from that, it is easy too…how do you say…to disassemble it or tomake it actually so that you cannot actually detonate them. So yes, while thereare mini nukes that are used on tactical levels, these big scenarios that he’stalking about, that will not happen.

G: Okay, that’s one prediction, I…

M: …that will not blow up etc. There are certain things that are not in ourtimelines. Believe it.

G: Okay. Let’s go to New Jersey again. Sandra, first time caller. Hey goodmorning Sandra!

Caller: Good morning, I’ve been listening to you show about a year now and I’mso impressed with you.

G: Thank you!

Caller: And your guest Michael St. Clair is just fascinating. But the thing thatbothers me a bit is that for 31 years I’ve been using meditation, a very old ancienttype with the third eye.

I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, and I’ve always believed in God. Andwhile I was praying, blocking out you know, all the things around me, I receivedanswers that were incredible.

And now I can go into an alpha state without even, in ten seconds and also havethings happen without me even asking for them, and they just occur. And all thefriends and people that I’ve known all my life, I just don’t relate to, I’m onanother plane.

And I see this vision of- and I’ve been seeing it for 3 years- get out of here, getout of here! I’m near New York City and I can envision the water going over theEmpire State Building.

I don’t know if that’, you know, you know how true it is but you’re saying, thecoast, get away from the coast. Years ago I was gonna go to Oregon, now they’rehaving problems.But even go further inwards is absolutely true.

I could go on with other issues but for people in this area, you think it’s really a,for myself, is there anyway that I could give you my birth date? Because I’vebeen making mistakes also.

I’m listening to other people, not listening to the inner voice. If I give you mybirth date could you tell me what I’m doing wrong?

G: And what do you mean by mistakes, Sandra?

Caller: Oh! I keep going back to my ex-husband.

G: (Laughing)

Caller: (Laughing) And, yeah, we’re definitely not on the same page!

G: You don’t have to be an astrologer to tell you not do that!

Caller: (Laughing) That’s why he gets me every time. He’s such a manipulatorand it’s like he waits until he has his antennas out and he just know the propertime to call me, you know, or do something or send me something and it startsup again.

G: And he wont let you go, will he?

Caller: No! He will not let go of me, no! Thirty-one years, same kind of yearsand now he’s back in the hospital, he uses them, you know, like hotels, youknow? (Laughing)

G: (Laughing)

Caller: I let him get his way, he’s just, you know, and now I don’t fight back. ButI will not um…now he knows I’m beyond him. And he’s going lower; he’sgetting on a lower plane. And both his brother, his sister died from over dosesand it looks like he’s stubborn to no change, stubborn to…

G: So your question, in other words, how do you get advice from that inner selfas opposed to external sources, right?

Caller: Yes, I really need…

M: That’s the point, you’re…I say to people I don’t like to do this type of workbecause I take on then the responsibility…

G: Right!

M: …and that’s not…

G: No, you don’t like this at all do you Michael?

M: No, because it’s not up to me to say to them what they should do. That is thewrong approach, so I use astrology for more, you know, the vaster picture whereI can help groups and larger organisms.

But the simple human being must know these things themselves. But she knowswhat’s going on.

G: She knows deep down inside, she knows.

M: and now what’s going to happen is you will see waves and waves of peoplebasically checking out in the next few years. They wont be with us. They can’tstand the energies of this hyper dimensional shift coming and they will simplypass away.

And you are already at a much higher, finer level with your 3rd eye meditation,so you know what he deal is, you know?

G: You know, you look at what’s going on and actually I gotta tell you if I werein the market today for a brand new car, now’s the time to buy it. There’s givingdeals like crazy if you’re looking for value.

You’re looking at some 0% financing deals or 1% with cash rebates. You knowwhat? I think the time to become financially aggressive Michael, is when thingsare down, not up, what do you think?

M: Yes, I agree with you. Now this is the part also of the good news. Nowcomes a time when you transfer into gold, silver- gold mainly of course- that youwill have amazing chances to be into situations that were unthinkable beforebecause what’s going to happen is the entire housing market, of course, will godown, the values, the properties, all this will change.

There’ll be new laws of how properties are being transferred and estate law andall that stuff. So yes, you can go in now with very little gold and get like hugetracts of lands.

And when you talk about cars, you should be really looking into buying the oldvehicles, you know, those that have no electronics, so that you’re reallyindependent and can maybe re-engineer them to use another kind of fuel.So yes, of course financially speaking now or comes a time when we’ll haveactually huge chances, for those of us who are rightly prepared now and have

understood what’s going to happen, they will have a chance like they never hadbefore to become completely independent.

G: Let’s go to Salt Lake City, Utah. Terry, you’re on with Michael St. Clair.

Caller: Good evening gentlemen.

G: Hi!

Caller: Umm…the last few years I personally have noticed huge changes withinmyself, you know, and how I see the world. I was a giant atheist and now I haveall sorts of beliefs.

I was a big skeptic and now I see things in an all-new way. And I waswondering Mr. St. Clair if you have noticed lots of other people or if you believelots of young people are waking up these days.

David Icke suggested on September 17th on Coast-to-Coast, that he thought therewould be a huge awakening and I was just wondering if you kind of sensed hesame thing?

M: Yes you see it is not that there is an awakening going on. This is just anenergy that surrounds us that will help those who are in tune with this energy tobecome the new cycle.

So what I could advise you to do if you already know- I’m not sure if you know-is that you read the 25 answers, statement made by James the creator ofWingmakers.

Those are written statements he made to Project Camelot. They’re on mywebsite as well. There’s a link right on the front page.

And when you read that you will see that he puts into question all of these thingsthat you talk about. Because all these things are still part of the thought processand you need to come out of that too.

So a lot of what you hear about these ascensions and enlightenment movementsand all that stuff, that’s just words and more stuff that is actually not makingmuch sense when you look at it very carefully.

So you would have to give a little bit of time and study the Wingmakers websiteand all where he comes from there. That ‘s too long to explain in an answer. ButI know from your question you will be very interested in that totally newapproach.

G: Let’s go up to Boston, Massachusetts. Hi Lisa, how are you?

Caller: Good, how are you?

G: Wonderful, thank!

Caller: It’s an honor to speak with you both. I’m a Virgo and Warren Buffet[American investor, businessman and philanthropist] is a Virgo and his financialsituation is a lot better than mine…

G: (Laughing)

Caller: And I was wondering if…

G: (Laughing) Just a little bit, huh?

Caller: (Laughing) Yeah, and I was wondering if Mr. St. Clair had any insight asfar as, you know, what the financial situation is for a Virgo coming up in 2009?

M: You know you make your financial situation with what you invent, withwhat you want to do next. The best you can do as I said is step outside of thesystem and outside of your thought, and you will see opportunity and solutionscoming up.

You exteriorize as a Pisces when you’re born as a Virgo as you know, right? Youexteriorize as the opposite sign. So you have now an opposition going on for 2years. This is this big opposite with Saturn in your sign Virgo, Uranus acrossfrom it in Pisces. So you have the status quo against Utopia. You have the driveto the new hemmed in by the forces that want to keep things the way they are.And you find a bridge through this into your own new world. So I think thatyou have a unique chance in the next year to manifest what you want to do.

So in your case because you probably use to check lists and you like to see thingswritten down, the best technique is you write down what you want to seehappen and you keep at it.

Caller: Okay.

G: How about that advice Lisa?

Caller: That’s fabulous, thank you so much!

G: Okay, well you do help lot of people. What do you prefer, the financialadvice or geopolitical advise you give?

M: I prefer economy because I feel everything is economy, resource sharing.Humanity is economics applied and I’m feeling we’re going to go back to aresource-based economy.

Back in the sense we will be studying, for instance, the Austrian School ofEconomics.Like Ron Paul, he’s a typical proponent of that kind of…

G: Good man, that guy!

M: Yes, Ron Paul is the guy that knows. He’s the only guy who really has a clue.Not the only guy, but he’s the most well known guy of those who understandswhat is going on and what should be done.

And that’s the Austrian School of Economics and the resource based economyand so astrology applied to that is to me the most fascinating field. Becausethat’s where you can see results that you would actually induce change.

And make companies and ideas happen, help people create ventures and bringabout new technologies and real change that is meaningful.

G: I think Ron Paul would have done something with the Federal Reserve, don’tyou Michael?

M: Oh yes, that has to go! Of course the Federal Reserve has to be and willdisappear astrologically when you look at the chart of the Federal Reserve in1913, and the planets now. This institute cannot survive beyond another year ortwo; and the IRS, all this whole system.

But that’s worldwide not just the U.S. This entire centralized sort of Reptilianbanking system has to go, and it will go. And that will open the way for peopleto then do their own thing.

But people shouldn’t wait for that to happen, they have to get going right away.

G: I was talking to a banker a couple weeks ago while I ‘m here in St. Louis forthe holidays, and we were talking about the Federal Reserve and I said, where dothey get this money from all of a sudden?And he said, they just print it, they just create it out of nothing.

M: That’s correct. They just print it and I think that the equally interestingquestion is, where do all these trillions go?

I mean I have tallied this up with a colleague of mine – a friend, an investmentbanker – who keeps track of things and we’re at about 200 trillion that havereally disappeared.

The official figures are much lower, they are like 20 trillion, but it’s a lot moreand I was asking myself, where does this go?

If this was really used everything would have to be peachy wouldn’t it? So itobviously disappears into a black hole, and that’s the Black Operations.

G: And it’s gone Michael we’ll be back with you and the final phone calls…hereon Coast-to-Coast.

Michael St. Clair, our special guest tonight.

Michael, the Light-Seeds…where can we get the book?

M: Amazon.com and type in Light-Seeds.

G: Perfect, and you’ll sign them for us if we ever meet you, right?M: (Laughing) Yes, of course!

G: Okay, let’s go West of the Rockies. You’re on Coast-to-Coast, go ahead.

Caller: Hi George, hi Michael. Almost every day when it’s not too cloudy I cansee chem.-trails all over the place and I get really angry seeing that. They’re just

trying to reduce the population and making us all sick. Is this going to continue,is there any way they’re going to stop or can we stop it? What’s to become ofchem.-trails?

M: Yes, you know don’t focus out there so much. You know that you canprotect yourself with all sorts of frequency healing, with proper herbalmedications, etc.I can’t give advice on that but you know there are plenty of ways ofprophylactics to build your immune systems up and to be very healthy.

And the other answer to your question is of course, when funding goes, theeconomy crashes as such, the currencies gone, then so will the Black budgets andthe Black operations slowly but surely will really disappear and that will stopalso.

So the good news is that as the economy goes, so will eventually all thesephenomena to away.

G: What’s happening Michael, to the European Union?

M: Oh you know here we have the same problems. It’s not so different than onyour side. I believe that this Union will also break apart.

It doesn’t make any sense, it’s not working and the currency, the Euro will alsosuffer right away with a slight timeline behind the dollar.

This will affect everything because everything hangs together so tightly and itmakes no sense to put people like Romanians and French, Italian and EastGermans, etc, together.

You have different languages, different cultures and each one must be able toretain it’s own identity while however, working together for a bigger whole.

I mean the whole is greater than the parts of it so it’s important that we cooperateas communities. And that’s what’s going to happen in Europe as well.

You have seen probably in France, there are already the precursors of trouble.Greece has had its first wave of issues so you will see that happeningeverywhere.

I mean that’s how, just at a social level, everything is boiling up to the surfaceand that will take over the entire Western world. That means Europe and NorthAmerica.

G: Okay let’s go to first time caller Kelly in Moline, Illinois. Hi Kelly, go ahead.

Caller: Hi George, god bless you for what you do.

G: Thank you!

Caller: I wanted to ask Michael if he’s ever read the book by Eckhart Tolle, ANew Earth?

M: Yes I did read a lot of Eckhart Tolle. He is a great author and has wonderfulteachings. He comes; I would say, in the classical tradition of Krishnamurti.

Caller: Yeah, it’s really weird that it’s, I don’t know if you call it serendipity, butthe last 2 days I’ve been pouring over his book and it talks exactly about whatyou’re saying tonight.

About how the egoic mind is dysfunctional and we all follow that to maniacaldecisions in our lives. And that we’re not paying attention to the big picture oflife, of what’s going on.

And I believe there’s a big awakening happening right now. I mean I just gotlaid off from my job 2 days before Christmas and I’m about to get thrown out ofmy hose. I’m as poor as poor can get.

Like I’ve got 60 cents to my name and just don’t know what to do or where to goor what to follow anymore.

M: Okay after this you’ve got to find a couple of friends, I’m sure you have somebest friends or someone you trust and build together with them something newimmediately.

Caller: Yeah, okay, thank you.

M: Your welcome.

G: Okay Kelly you are quite welcome indeed. Michael what are some of thetelltale signs that are obvious to most people about that we cant see to know thatwe’re moving in the direction of these predictions? What events will unfold?

M: Oh, in terms of physical events?

G: Yeah.

M: Okay the economy we’ll see first, the death of the dollar, and the death of thecurrencies, also the Euro behind afterwards. You will see he entire housing fold,the entire economy, everything will go.

With that will come an inability of the logistics to operate that will close downschools, universities, etc. That means that a lot of young people will be set free tolive their lives in a new way.

It means of course, businesses go down and people will have to invent their newlives and create their own economics and their own communities. Out of thateconomical downturn two or three main trends will happen.

One is that the longer term actually the war machine will stop which is a goodthing because when they have no more funds, they cant move the troops. So theNavy’s will stand still, the airplanes wont fly, Armies will stand still, etc.

So that will grind to a halt eventually. The other thing that will happen is you’llput government out of business, which mans again the logistics turn itself down.So you’ll depend on your own, and you have to get ready for that.

That’s a good thing, that’s not a bad thing. It’s a good thing that we are able tocreate our own communities and have our own functioning micro-economies.

G: Okay let’s go to Tim, West of the Rockies in Freemont, California. Go headTim.

Caller: Hey, how ya doing? Oh, actually it’s Dan, how you doing tonight?

G: Hi.

Caller: It’s a really interesting topic and I just feel like your channeling thisinformation, and it’s interesting because how will this evolution of this systemyou’re talking about create new economics?

It’s interesting because I feel like our economy, our government, our logisticalsystems, our entire system as you refer to it is in a lull and it’s waiting for thisnew president to take over.

And how do you believe…I know it’s going to be very dramatic changes, buthow do you believe that they will take place?

M: Well it’s in the way that we discussed, you know. The new president andnew administration, they are not going to change anything.

They will be hit by a wave of stuff that they haven’t seen coming and becausetheir handlers feel that they control the events. That they sort of serve as chessmoves onto the administration.

But this isn’t going to work out. So the system as such is finished. This is the oldparadigm. It may take in reality about 2 years actually, 4 years at the very most,until this is completely over.

But already by this year, May, June, and through December of this year, you willsee that this has for all intent purposes collapsed. And so how the new systemcomes about is by you yourself, you see WE ARE the system, we the peopleeverywhere around the world.

We are the economy, we are the society, and we are the world. So each one of ushas to grasp this and begin doing something by himself and then connect withfriends and with people and network, right?

This is now the age of networking in Jupiter and Aquarius, so this is a great timeto get together world wide and trade with each other, trade solutions, barter,everything is possible.

Of course this will take time it’s not going to be pretty at first. I make it soundmaybe nice, but the reality is in the beginning it’s going to be pretty awesomelooking in a sense.

You’ll be hit with a lot of regulations and it’s going to go very very fast. So youmay at times not be able to catch up with all the changes. So you have to have aninner distance in order to be able to create you own solutions.

And they have to be networked. You see I was saying before, if each one justlooks after himself or herself, this isn’t going to work. We have to network andcreate communities because we’re interdependent.

So we have to have a goal for a small community and we have to have solutionsfor networks.

G: All right, very good. Let’s go to Brian in Stanford, Connecticut, East of theRockies. Hi Brian!

Caller: Hi George, how are you?

G: Good, thanks!

Caller: I’ll make it quick. I have a few questions for your guest.

G: Sure.

Caller: The thought that came to mind, which was, with great power comes greatresponsibility. Though your guest sees it as great enlightenment comes with greatresponsibility, and I was wondering if at that time your guest has moments topause that the information that he gets as whether it’s the appropriate time.

If they feel very confident that this information is possibly right, but whether heruns it through a filter as to maybe I should hold off this information might betoo much for some people.

My second question is when he converses or communicates with the enlightenedones- I forget their names- that he have at the beginning of the program…G: The Nordics!

Caller: Uh, the Nordics, do they say at the time they gave him information-it’ssimilar like the girls at Fatima, they were told information but they were told atthat time the information was communicated? So there are my two questions.Thanks.

M: George, George, can you hear me?

G: Yah! Could you hear him okay?

M: I am sorry, I could barely hear him because he was echoing. Can you repeatquickly the 2 questions?

G: The second one is, you know that episode at Fatima and that happened inPortugal …

M: Yes, Fatima, yes.

G: Do you see any similarities between that and the Nordics that you havecommunicated with?

M: No, no, not at all! The Nordics, no they don’t care for that. That Fatima stuff,that’s a disinformation in it’s own right. You know it is all spun stuff one-way orthe other.

You can forget that. This is all invented and made up and it’s irrelevant. No theNordics work in a totally different way. They’re here to empower you, theymake you think for yourself and to, you know, understand who you are.

We have to remember who we are actually and awaken our own genetics tobecome again what we really are. We are extraterrestrials, we are time travelers,you understand.

And we are in charge of something much bigger. So I’m sorry I couldn’t hear thequestions of his because it was echoing all the way. What was the first question?

G: Would people have been able to see what was happening to us 20 years agoand know, you did 30 [years ago]? But I mean were there signs then?

M: Yes of course there were signs. I mean we were seeing that the wholeplanetary ecology and economy was falling apart. If we were looking carefullyat what the trees were looking like, how the entire architecture was taking overthe earth.

The whole destruction in terms of…I mean I always say we live on the mostbeautiful planet, and this is beautiful here, and yet we create these monstrosities,we don’t even know how to live, etc, etc.

So all the signs we there 40-50 years ago that we have to go in another direction,but you know, at that time things seem to look good. Everybody was fat andhappy and so no one saw a need for any inner or outer change of any kind.

G: Sure, that was the perception wasn’t it?

M: Yes but the signs have always been there and not it’s just at the point whereit’s in your face and now we’re reaching the point where there is no morechoices, where we have to change by force, you know?

G: Let’s go now to first-time caller in Brooklyn, New York. Hi Joe, go ahead.

Caller: Hi George, Michael.G: Welcome Joe.

Caller: My question is does Michael see any [operating] of a third party here inAmerica?

G: All right, third party, do you see that popping up at all Michael in thiscountry?

M: Yes, yes the movement around Ron Paul, this movement of taking over theirlives by themselves that is the future. This is the movement, this is now, sowhether this forms as such as a third party or not I don’t know for sure.

Because if it goes that way, which I thing it will go, the whole Union as suchbreaks up, it will be kind of irrelevant. I think the parties will be those that havethe solutions, so those are the people who are able to run their own communities.

Whether that is a small town or state or region, or few states together, that will bewhat will be coming and it will be a new paradigm, new solutions. So the partysystem as such, that’s all part of this old stuff that will go away.

G: Diamond Springs, California. Steve, your turn, go ahead.

Caller: Yeah, um, you were mentioning something about crystals earlier in theshow and I was wondering, do they have anything to do with helping someoneout if they believe that they’ve had a spell or a hex put on them?

G: Hmmm.

M: Oh, I understand. No the crystals you use them either as seeing instrumentsbecause you can build a relationship to the crystal and see the message fromoutside from other crystals in a network of everything that is crystal in thecosmos.

Or use them as healing instruments where you build energetic relationships withthe crystals around you and use them to heal yourself.

So yes, in that sense you could use them as protective shields of course, and ashield against all that other stuff. But you see this comes from within yourself tobegin with.

The crystals only can help bring out in you what you’re prepared to work. Soyou have to do the work first. The crystal is a crutch if you will, it’s a help, andit’s like an ally. But you are the one doing the inner work.

G: First time caller in Charlotte, North Carolina. Diane, take it away we got aquick moment for ya.

Caller: Yes, I’m calling to find out if this major transition worldwide will createcivil unrest? That’s the first question and the second question is, as an artist andsinger, would positive music and this type of approach to my work, would thatbe a healing influence, and then would it shed light, would people be drawn tothat?

G: John Titor believed that there would be civil unrest Michael.

M: Yes, yes that’s right. I was going to answer with you in unison. John Titor toboth questions. He also said he had a good time in terms of music and I say, Yes!The lady must continue doing her creative work.

We all have to be creators, surround ourselves with beauty, art, painting, andmusic and create an energy field that is conducive to creation.

But sure, there will be unrest. We have the unrest now, it’s all there, and it’sright in your face. And you do have to be cautious when you go outside of yourdoorway and observe people.

Look at their eyes, look at their behavior, read their thoughts. You are able to dothat and you will see that there is a lot of anxiety. There’s a mass fear comingalso, inside of the elite now.

So you need to step back and stay outside of this fear energy and you build upyour own resistance to this by being creative and by doing what I suggested.Create networks, communities and move off of the system if possible. Even offthe grid.

Certainly outside the large cities where you have a conglomeration of reallynegative thought energy.

G: Michael, are you glad you have this gift?

M: Oh, you know, yes and no. Yes sure, I’m glad because it gives me, um…andeverybody has this gift by the way, okay, everybody is born with this…

G: Mm... Hmm.

M: Bit it gives me a certain advantage and a chance that I can get out of troublebefore, you know, I see it happening. On the other hand, sometimes, it’soverwhelming to know everything, so sometimes not knowing would be better.I don’t know, this is a hard question.

G: Sometimes knowing would be better, you are so true.

M: (Laughing)

G: Hey Michael, I want to thank for being here on the program. I enjoyed it.

M: Thank you, thank you very much sir.

G: Have you back again!