Ukedchat Archive 01 December 2011

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Thursday 1st December 2011What is it exactly that educators are

supposed to be preparing pupils for?

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gavinsmart 20:00

We should prepare the pupils to use tech of the future!The start of

the future? Using iPads in the classroom http://t.co/WPJF7XQo

#ukedchat

TestSoup 20:00

@Primary_Ed Good post! I left you a comment. #ukedchat #edchat

JJW

mrpeel 20:00 @jackieschneider is that all? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:00

But effectively enough? RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - my

contribution to tonight's discussion : life!

passionateaboot 20:00 @dailydenouement #ukedchat To think for themselves


#ukedchat Does our present curriculum model have relevance for

21st century learners?

jackieschneider 20:00 #ukedchat - my contribution to tonight's discussion : life!

mrpeel 20:01

#ukedchat to think for themselves and to be able to function

outside the cotton wool of school

jackieschneider 20:01 @mrpeel - what else is there? #ukedchat


RT @ufasarah: we dont really know...to paraphrase @karlfischwe're preparing yp for jobs that dont exist yet to solve problems we

dont know yet #ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:01

http://t.co/dkMchnJR great to read about this happening in

classrooms #ukedchat #edchat

mikeatedji 20:01

#ukedchat my vision is for preparation for life beyond school walls

which means looking, in school, more at the real world for

inspiration

ufasarah 20:01

we dont really know...to paraphrase @karlfisch we're preparing yp

for jobs that dont exist yet to solve problems we dont know yet

#ukedchat


Do we do that though? Culture of spoon feeding for tests? RT

@passionateaboot: @dailydenouement #ukedchat To think for

themselves

DeputyMitchell 20:01

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat Kicking off tonight's discussion

then: what are we preparing our students for? All thoughts

welcome. Please use the hashtag.

jackieschneider 20:02

#ukedchat - I'm sure as hell NOT preparing them to be wage slaves

to suit this bloody awful gov

aangeli 20:02

with the lack of 21st century skills on offer it feels like we're

preparing them for the 1890s! time travel maybe? #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:02

#ukedchat Also, the greatest challenge out there is "how to live in a

sustainable manner" We should prepare for that!

jwinchester25 20:02

Preparing students for the challenges of modern life, being

independent thinkers and giving them essential life skills #ukedchat


But does our curric allow that? RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat to think for

themselves and to be able to function outside the cotton wool of

school

cherrylkd 20:02

#ukedchat to be independent thinkers and considerate citizens in

their adult life

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ICTwitz 20:02

I worry that we are not preparing them well enough for their digital

futures #ukedchat Or will pupils work it out for themselves?

KempsterD 20:02

Feeling cynical... Droughts, working till 87, famine. Sorry just

watched the news! #ukedchat

thewikiartist 20:02

RT @nightzookeeper: http://t.co/dkMchnJR great to read about

this happening in classrooms #ukedchat #edchat

jodieworld 20:03

#ukedchat I am trying to teach them to be people who know that a)

there are a wealth of choices available to them and...

ufasarah 20:03

My partner is a lecturer & is seeing students coming through who

cant think for themselves #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:03

#ukedchat Living in a sustainable manner requires all kinds of skills -

tech, science, communication...reordering values


RT @aangeli: with the lack of 21st century skills on offer it feels like

we're preparing them for the 1890s! time travel maybe? #ukedchat


RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I'm sure as hell NOT preparing

them to be wage slaves to suit this bloody awful gov

passionateaboot 20:03 @mikeatedji If it's your vision, what's in it for the kids? #ukedchat


#ukedchat Have you ever asked your pupils what they want to be

prepared for?

mrpeel 20:03

@ICTwitz digital futures? many can't write a formal letter of

application #ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:04

#ukedchat hmm want to join in but page not loading. Education is

for life skills (quals are part of this) but the "real world" bit is vital.

mikeatedji 20:04

@passionateaboot #ukedchat It doesn't become less relevant

because I have a vision...it can be discussed and mutated and

argued with

MSkinnider 20:04

I'm missing #ukedchat tonight but I hope my fellow B.Eds will catch

me up on what went on :)

learnbuzz 20:04

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Also, the greatest challenge out there is

"how to live in a sustainable manner" We should prepare for that!

gavinsmart 20:04

@dailydenouement I think its got 2b about transferable skills.

Doing jobs that aren't even invented yet!Shift Happens! #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:04

#ukedchat b) some of those choices involve much more and much

harder work...but are generally the most rewarding financially &

emotionally!

passionateaboot 20:04 @jackieschneider #ukedchat What is it then?

Redsra 20:04

#ukedchat mines, mills and sweatshops judging by the latest govt

policy...

HMIeducation 20:04

#ukedchat we're always three steps behind. future should be

coding and web design, teachers should be learning along-side.constant cycle.

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Is it all about digital futures though? What about sustainability,

health etc? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:04 @aangeli The curriculum needs a complete overhaul? #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:04

#ukedchat Preparing people 4 jobs which don't exist yet, so need to

be flexible but Gove wants to narrow the selection with the #EBacc

#fail

JOHNSAYERS 20:05

Teaching for the World of yesteryear and occasionally today. NOT

for the World of tomorrow! #ukedchat

aangeli 20:05

critical thinking skills, IT, collaboration and team work all should be

skills that are used daily #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:05

If you're new to #ukedchat and having trouble keeping up, try

http://t.co/bajl8hOD and add #ukedchat in the Searches.

smile2learn 20:05

#ukedchat time to work hand in hand with industry, need

businesses to support modelling the curriculum.

paulhaigh 20:05

#ukedchat founder of our school said 'in the schools teach themwhat is necessary for life' when did she say it? about 1840 still

drives us

passionateaboot 20:05

@HMIeducation If we enable them to think and learn for

themselves is all this possible? #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:05

Preparing people to get medical jobs to assist me when I'm still

teaching in the classroom at 68! #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:05

be a little wary of the 'jobs' that don't exist meme. Doctors,

teachers, architects, web designers, Any of these disappeared yet?

#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:05

#ukedchat current anger at govt will not solve this question -all

govts will be the same in this area over the coming years


#ukedchat What would you add or take away from our current

curriculum to better prepare pupils?

SimonBainbridge 20:05

Using tools of now instead of yesteryear to teach/learn will help

build relevant skills for the students future careers #ukedchat

teacherofy5 20:05

#ukedchat We need to prepare chn/students to be independent

and assertive

KempsterD 20:05

What we don't want is kids like hose on Apprentice. Money

orientated, egotistical, non-collaborators. Not good role models.#ukedchat

imrandjk 20:05

#ukedchat at the moment we are not really equipping them for

anything other than jumping over the next "test" hurdle

ufasarah 20:06

for me its more about learning dispositions than skills that yp need

to develop as learners. Things like curiosity & flexibility #ukedchat


#ukedchat What, if anything, did you find useful preparation from

your own education? And what can we learn from this?

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jwinchester25 20:06

RT @aangeli: critical thinking skills, IT, collaboration and team work

all should be skills that are used daily #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:06

RT @PhilWheeler1: Preparing people to get medical jobs to assist

me when Im still teaching in the classroom at 68! #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:06



PhilWheeler1 20:06

RT @HMIeducation: #ukedchat we're always three steps behind.

future should be coding and web design, teachers should be

learning along-side. constant cycle.


RT @learnbuzz: RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Also, the greatest

challenge out there is "how to live in a sustainable manner" We

should prepare for that!

ICTwitz 20:07RT @nightzookeeper: pupils will, but it would be a great deal betterfor future if they had more digital time built into curr #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:07

Self-aware, empathetic and able to develop positive relationships

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:07

one thing seems rather clear, teaching children 'facts' in the age of

the internet, is not the best use of anyone's time #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:07

@dailydenouement #ukedchat I'd remove some of the over load on

PHSE. It tells them what to do/think and prevents independent

thought often

JOHNSAYERS 20:07

#ukedchat primary really build in express and experiment with new

cutting edge tech. Secondary too content driven

CarrotyCarrots 20:07




RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat would love see more links with industry at

all levels - why go yo uni for maths if cant write well enough to deal

with public?


RT @ICTwitz: Did I see somewhere that coding should be treated as

the new Latin? #ukedchat Should there be an emphasis on this

creative aspect of tech?

Educationchat 20:07

RT @mattpearson: RT @PhilWheeler1: Preparing people to getmedical jobs to assist me when Im still teaching in the classroom at

68! #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:07

Did I see somewhere that coding should be treated as the new

Latin? #ukedchat Should there be an emphasis on this creative

aspect of tech?

PhilWheeler1 20:07

RT @smile2learn: #ukedchat time to work hand in hand with

industry, need businesses to support modelling the curriculum.

mrpeel 20:07

#ukedchat would love see more links with industry at all levels -

why go yo uni for maths if cant write well enough to deal withpublic?

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foxydaz 20:08

@teacherofy5 #ukedchat this is imperative.We teach students to

be self aware and confident in their choices & to be aware of their

choices)

mrpeel 20:08

@ufasarah good point-extra curicular activites so important and

being eroded in UK #ukedchat


RT @jackieschneider: @dailydenouement - abolish league tables,

mix up the curriculum, give kids access to arts, sports, design,scientists, writers,#ukedchat

Educationchat 20:08

Surely we should be educating our children to pass tests. As that's

what makes a school good. Sure I heard Gove say that recently

#ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:08

#ukedchat coding argument interesting, why teach coding when

they get to work they'll use codes that don't yet exist- teach them

maths

mattpearson 20:08

yet it is exactly a return to teaching facts which has characterised

Gove and Gibbs reign.... #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:08#ukedchat I found being involved in my education helped esp in thesixth form


@dailydenouement I would say it was only by stepping outside of

my comfort zone that I really developed as a learner #ukedchat

#edchat

KiDu89 20:08

Preparing them for the unknown... providing them with constant

opportunities to be adaptable, flexible, and to try out new things

#ukedchat


RT @passionateaboot: #ukedchat Just finished a 4 day course with

teachers who now describe themselves as facilitators of learning - is

that what it's all about?

GillDeCosemo 20:08


me when I'm still teaching in the classroom at 68! #ukedchat


RT @jackieschneider: @dailydenouement - abolish league tables,

mix up the curriculum, give kids access to arts, sports, design,

scientists, writers,#ukedchat


#ukedchat Just finished a 4 day course with teachers who now

describe themselves as facilitators of learning - is that what it's all

about?

ufasarah 20:08@dailydenouement thinking back on my education it was playing ina sports team and the school band that taught me most #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:08

@passionateaboot #ukedchat Less relevant to the pupils... in

countless research pupils put sustainblty issues high up on list of

concerns

smile2learn 20:08

#ukedchat so important to keep the development of the whole

child at the centre of all we do. Only happy children learn.


@dailydenouement - abolish league tables, mix up the curriculum,

give kids access to arts, sports, design, scientists, writers,#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:08

#ukedchat that academic grades are not nec indicative of success in

life?

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JanieT56 20:08

#ukedchat Participation in the 21st century - and that means?

Learners being empowered which means teachers changing their

mindset.

oldandrewuk 20:09

@mattpearson #ukedchat I looked into it here:

http://t.co/LSV7S0DN See myth 1.

CassieFielding 20:09

To take responsibility and ownership of their own learning.

#ukedchat

HMIeducation 20:09

@passionateaboot it can be seen as a new way of expressing older

lessons. english and maths are best applicable online nowadays.

#ukedchat

TeachToAll 20:09

#ukedchat children should be taught skills to become life-long

learners, they shouldnt simply be spoon fed facts!

smile2learn 20:09 #ukedchat resilliance at KS3

a_p_martin 20:09

@dailydenouement on trips away - living with host families in

France & Germany. I learnt resilience and confidence. In scl??

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:09 @mrpeel That's the worry!!! #ukedchat


#ukedchat What part can or should enterprise education play in

preparing pupils for their futures?

mikeatedji 20:09

#ukedchat Children are central but there are of course issues which

will affect them that need addressing - we can raise those


#ukedchat - I worry our divided school system simply reinforces

class divisions


RT @smile2learn: #ukedchat so important to keep the

development of the whole child at the centre of all we do. Only

happy children learn.

ICTwitz 20:09

Sounds like education needs to take more of the role of the parent

to show pupils how to behave and respect people? #ukedchat


Using independent learning will help students become independent

workers - More people will be self employers in the near future

#ukedchat

davidhunter 20:09

#ukedchat I believe the ed system is to make the nation

internationally competitive.that's not what I believe I should be for

though

russellprue 20:09

RT @Educationchat: Surely we should be educating our children to

pass tests. As that's what makes a school good. Sure I heard Govesay that recently #ukedchat


RT @imrandjk: #ukedchat we need to be preparing them for life in

the 21st Century - to do this we need to be thinking about a

curriculum overhaul

imrandjk 20:10

RT @TeachToAll: #ukedchat children should be taught skills to

become life-long learners, they shouldnt simply be spoon fed facts!

nightzookeeper 20:10 @CassieFielding any strategies to help with this #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:10#ukedchat I agree with those who say trips, visits, extra-curricularactivities taught/prepared me much better than some lessons!

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Primary_Ed 20:10

@TestSoup i get involved in the #ukedchat a lot, when is the

#edchat?

imrandjk 20:10

#ukedchat we need to be preparing them for life in the 21st

Century - to do this we need to be thinking about a curriculum

overhaul

jodieworld 20:10

@ICTwitz I think we have definitely moved more to teaching

general manners & etiquette in a way schools prob didn't have tobefore #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:10 #ukedchat Ok. Here's what I think: http://t.co/p9NYlnbJ


@ICTwitz We also need to educate yp to be good enough parents

too #ukedchat


@ufasarah @dailydenouement #ukedchat So what exactly did it

teach you?


@smile2learn I would add confident and secure in their

environment to that as well #ukedchat

aangeli 20:10

Global Awareness, Financial, Economic,Business & Entrepreneurial

literacy, Civic Literacy, Health Liteacy, Enviromental Literacy#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:10

@jackieschneider yes but does one size really fit all in the real

world? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:11 @jodieworld It's a worry! #ukedchat Teachers as parents!

jodieworld 20:11

#ukedchat In the current climate I think we need to teach children

to be flexible and adaptable as much as possible too!

JOHNSAYERS 20:11

#ukedchat sustainability is going to be huge! Kids can't play

computer games and drink energy drinks forever!

trisha_telfer 20:11

#ukedchat what's the question for tonight? I've just joined in and

can't find it...

LearningSpy 20:11 @oldandrewuk Students do #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:11

#ukedchat if we need IT graduates they need Maths and physics as

well as the basic in computing. then equipt to advance things.

passionateaboot 20:11 @HMIeducation #ukedchat Have you seen the flipped classroom?


#ukedchat What about citizenship? Are we teaching our pupils to

*really* be global citizens?

sandra5036 20:11Stds said today that they want to learn the facts they need to passtheir exam. Give us 50 answers and we will learn them. #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:11

#ukedchat and on etiquette we need to teach e-etiquette and

managing and online identity

ICTwitz 20:11

@ConsultantHead It does sound as though schools are having to

play the role parents should be providing! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:11

@imrandjk New curriculum model: 1) solving interesting problems

2) leadership. That's all #ukedchat

aangeli 20:11RT @TeachToAll: #ukedchat children should be taught skills tobecome life-long learners, they shouldnt simply be spoon fed facts!

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elanazak 20:11

Education is only a ladder to gather fruit from the tree of

knowledge, not the fruit itself." #ukedchat

apuustin 20:11

RT @Joe_Mazza: Principals need to be the bridge for parents-

teachers http://t.co/eEHX58Ht #cpchat #edchat #ptchat #parents

#eductaion #finnedchat #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:11@Educationchat #ukedchat You know you didn't. This is an obviousstraw man. Nobody thinks tests are the purpose of education.

GillDeCosemo 20:11

@paulhaigh re coding, I agree. I have computer studies O level,

included coding re 1979, no use today! #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:12

#ukedchat working with community is something we need to build

into schools. Let's build a community spirit into our lives!

teacherofy5 20:12

#ukedchat students need to be the 'entrepreneur' in their own

learning

LearningSpy 20:12

RT @oldandrewuk: @Educationchat #ukedchat Nobody thinks tests

are the purpose of education. > students do!

KempsterD 20:12

@nightzookeeper I think ur right. This gen of chldn will need to

harness the skills of preparing for a world in crisis #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:12

we should of course teach all children to believe fervently that

Jeremy Clarkson is an idiot...That above all else :-) #ukedchat


#ukedchat Asked my Y13s what they wanted to know/learn this

year. Most popular answer? How to cook & live on a budget.

HMIeducation 20:12

@passionateaboot no but I would love you to explain it as i look it

up! ^^. #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:12

#ukedchat coming : climate change; diminshing resources; digitally

connected; mass migration; multi-employed; local production...

amoor4ed 20:12

Despite government policy it's down to leaders to make sure the

kids in our schools get the curriculum they deserve #ukedchat

#bebrave

Bectully 20:12

#ukedchat YP need to be taught how to present themselves and

how to speak well to groups. Interview process competitive and

complex

paulhaigh 20:12@GillDeCosemo #ukedchat yep don't think my BBC BASIC will getme a job at Google!

mrpeel 20:12

#ukedchat i worry too many parents are obsessed with grades and

do not look at wider issues...


@CassieFielding #ukedchat So what can teachers do to facilitate

that?

imrandjk 20:12

#ukedchat unfortunately one of the things that we are having to do

is spoon feed students which is not really equipping them for life

elanazak 20:12

@nightzookeeper: @CassieFielding Another twitter chat tool is

http://t.co/51wo4klt. You can adjust refresh speed as well.#ukedchat

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TheBullAcademy 20:12

#ukedchat Here @TheBullAcademy we use our massive subsidy

from the DFE to teach students to stand on their own feet!

ePaceonline 20:13

RT @nightzookeeper: By using investigative learning in the

classroom you will begin to see more independance in students

#ukedchat

innerquest 20:13@dailydenouement how about global digital citizenship?#ukedchat

russellprue 20:13

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think we need to teach our pupils to

'know what to do when they don't know what to do'.





Yes - agreed! RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think we need to teach

our pupils to 'know what to do when they don't know what to do'.


@ICTwitz but we often don't develop the yp's skills in that area, yet

most of the students will be parents for a long time #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:13

@trisha_telfer #ukedchat topic is: What is it exactly that educators

are supposed to be preparing pupils for?

mattbuxton10 20:13

We should be teaching kids to locate info, sort & process it, form

opinions & then put them forward in compelling, structured ways

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:13

#ukedchat So we need to teach children to value things that won't

be at peak: friendship; creativity; pleasure in doing things

beautifully

jodieworld 20:13

@ICTwitz I am happy to teach it - I think I do naturally as I was

brought up with good manners. It's just hard to fit into a day!

#ukedchat


RT @ben_solly: #ukedchat this really made me think seriously

about how schools are preparing young people

http://t.co/fMqPxwN4 @SirKenRobinson

ePaceonline 20:13

#ukedchat I think we need to teach our pupils to 'know what to do

when they don't know what to do'.

aangeli 20:13

RT @JOHNSAYERS: #ukedchat working with community is

something we need to build into schools. Let's build a communityspirit into our lives!

ben_solly 20:13

#ukedchat this really made me think seriously about how schools

are preparing young people http://t.co/fMqPxwN4

@SirKenRobinson

Darney_ictteach 20:13

What prepared me better was good organisational skills, guest

speakers and practical skill days #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:13 @LearningSpy parents do at my school #ukedchat


By using investigative learning in the classroom you will begin to

see more independance in students #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:13@mattpearson #ukedchat All thinking is underpinned by knowledgeheld in our heads, not on the internet.

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@aangeli #ukedchat Is it about a list of discrete subjects or

something that transcends rigid boundaries?

Mad_teach 20:14

#ukedchat I agree with all these teaching em HOW to learn and not

just facts but when they do GCSEs&SATs its the facts that matter.

KempsterD 20:14

RT @JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat wrkng with com is something we

need to build into schls. Let's build a community spirit into ourlives! >hear hear!

elanazak 20:14

RT @passionateaboot: So how can teachers hold that ladder to

support the learning? #ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:14

RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat point 1 should be to teach that facebook

posts are not private and that their occasional lapses of judgement

will follow them

oldandrewuk 20:14

RT @LearningSpy: RT @oldandrewuk: @Educationchat #ukedchat

Nobody thinks tests are the purpose of education. > students do!

paulhaigh 20:14

@dorristheloris yes interesting, essential code is algorithm and

lateral thinking, skills gained elsewhere in the curric? #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:14

@jodieworld @ictwitz #ukedchat but shouldn't etiquette &

manners be parents job? Too much time spent on this in schools

TeachToAll 20:14

@imrandjk completely agree teachers are not given the sufficient

time to teach skills children need to become lifelong learners

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:14

@oldandrewuk but I can get knowledge from the internet into my

head very quickly with the right skills unlike 20 years ago...

#ukedchat

ufasarah 20:14

@JOHNSAYERS and make schools more real places and learning

more real. Real reasons to learn, real challenges, real audiences

#ukedchat

PhilipEdmundson 20:14

RT @JenniH68: #ukedchat critical and creative thinking, more

problem solving... totally agree.

KiDu89 20:14

Focus on child-driven education. You may have seen this Sugata

Mitra speech, if not, defs worth a watch: http://t.co/Ivh5M2VR

#ukedchat


@elanazak #ukedchat So how can teachers hold that ladder to

support the learning?

PhilWheeler1 20:14



davidhunter 20:14

#ukedchat it would be good to think UK is pioneering industries

grassroots in schools like south Korea and technology/robotics

mrpeel 20:14

#ukedchat point 1 should be to teach that facebook posts are not

private and that their occasional lapses of judgement will follow

them

JenniH68 20:14 #ukedchat critical and creative thinking, more problem solving...

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@mattpearson @oldandrewuk agreed, knowledge is all stored in a

search engine. You must be taught the desire to go and look for it

#ukedchat

HemBem 20:15

Great session with our #reading buddies today. Younger students

had to 'interview' their older buddies :) #shoutabout #ukedchat

#tlchat

a_p_martin 20:15@ufasarah @johnsayers #ukedchat is this like real learning asprescribed by Guy Claxton?

Briggo0 20:15

RT @LearningSpy: RT @oldandrewuk: @Educationchat #ukedchat

Nobody thinks tests are the purpose of education. > students do!

onlygeek 20:15


me when I'm still teaching in the classroom at 68! #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:15

Tonight's #ukedchat blog post: What is it exactly that we are

supposed to be preparing pupils for? http://t.co/q4veDwB5

elanazak 20:15

@passionateaboot I'm not sure yet. There's a lot of frustration in

this chat with the curriculum. But being supportive can't hurt.

#ukedchat

imrandjk 20:15

@TeachToAll there isnt the time or the room in the curriculum to

be able to deliver all that they need #ukedchat

passionateaboot 20:15 @imrandjk #ukedchat Do you have to spoon feed them?


#ukedchat So how would/could we get all this into a 'timetable'? Or

should we ignore this sort of structure?

mikeatedji 20:15

RT @JenniH68: #ukedchat critical and creative thinking, more

problem solving...

mikeatedji 20:15 @innerquest Interesting - what does that consist of? #ukedchat


In EYFS, I would say PSED is most important, followed by Lit and

Num? Same in following years? #ukedchat

teachitso 20:16

If #ukedchat is to be sponsored by Pearson in future, then maybe

future of edu is preparing for exams using commercial SOL &

textbooks...

Darney_ictteach 20:16

Prepare them to be confident but not arrogant when delivering an

argument or involved discussion. To listen and appraise #ukedchat

elanazak 20:16

Well put MT @nightzookeeper: knowledge is all stored in a search

engine. You must be taught the desire to go and look for it.

#ukedchat

UKCHAZ 20:16

RT @smile2learn: #ukedchat so important to keep the

development of the whole child at the centre of all we do. Only

happy children learn.

JayeRHill 20:16

RT @mattpearson: one thing seems rather clear, teaching children

'facts' in the age of the internet, is not the best use of anyone's

time #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:16

@mrpeel as real as it can be - writing real stories to read to real

people e.g. younger classes - you know the kind of thing #ukedchat

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Mad_teach 20:16

#ukedchat losing timetable not a bad idea. The real world doesn't

fit into lit, then num then geog on a wed pm.

oldandrewuk 20:16 @mattbuxton10 #ukedchat Don't they need to *know* anything?

teacherofy5 20:16 #ukedchat self-motivated and resourceful

CarrotyCarrots 20:16RT @LearningSpy: RT @oldandrewuk: @Educationchat #ukedchatNobody thinks tests are the purpose of education. > students do!

mrpeel 20:16

@elanazak curriculum can be tweaked_ the obsession with grades,

data and league tables defines what management will let us teach

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:16

#ukedchat We need to equip pupils with the skills to search for the

answers they require.

mikeatedji 20:16

#ukedchat Yes we should be teaching progressive skills; analysis;

sifting; synthesising...but what values to underpin these?

UKCHAZ 20:16

#ukedchat @trisha_telfer - The ability to become the futurecustodians of our world and lives and the skills to live through

uncertainty.

LearningSpy 20:16

RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat i worry many parents are obsessed with

grades and do not look at wider issues. Not just parents - many

teachers too


@HMIeducation #ukedchat Look up the video on You Tube after

this tonight. I won't spoil the surprise.

smile2learn 20:16

#ukedchat agree Dave need to stay at the forefront of growth

areas, they change so quickly though so we need businesss to he

intergrated.

paulhaigh 20:16

@imrandjk #ukedchat if you are a school who is free to ditch

national curriculum you can make time

JanieT56 20:16

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat Can also mean that we look to comm ed

workers and their informal learning approach.

jodieworld 20:16

@cherrylkd @ictwitz #ukedchat Would be nicer if parents teach it

but a lot of the parents were not taught it either so need to break

cycle

HMIeducation 20:17

@passionateaboot ok ^^. does it bring up any lessons that we

should bring into wider practice or try to embrace? #ukedchat


#ukedchat What about 'stuff' like sexual health? Parenting skills?

How far do we go in preparing pupils for the variety of life?


@ukedchat #ukedchat Should we be teaching kids at all or

facilitating learning?

mattpearson 20:17 @teachitso you had to mention Pearson!! #ukedchat


@Mad_teach true but do u not think they are more likely to retain

facts if u have given them skills to seek them out themselves?

#ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:17

We need to teach children to think, listen, question, be curious,

investigate, care, be independent, to strive. Not a tall order?#ukedchat

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@TheBullAcademy we teach that a soldier showing the Year 11s a

video last wednesday means "school open as usual" #ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:17

@a_p_martin Guy Claxton's BLP has certainly worked for us -it's

about being creative in delivery that makes sure it happens

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:17@dailydenouement did they want you to teach them that?#ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:17

#ukedchat need to rip up the pres structure and start again. Have

longer lessons but fewer subjects and link subjects together eg IT &

Maths

davidhunter 20:17

RT @smile2learn: #ukedchat agree Dave need to stay at the

forefront of growth areas, they change so quickly though so we

need businesss to he intergrated.

mrjonesISM 20:17

Tech savvy independent learners in world where

jobs/communication/success arent measured by obsolete

preconceptions of academia #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:17

RT @SurrealAnarchy: @LearningSpy I worked in a school whose

vision statement said they were preparing children for death

#ukedchat

imrandjk 20:17

@passionateaboot me personally? I try not to but then there is the

unfortunate focus of targets and attainment #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:17

@nightzookeeper you may be agreeing with me, I am afraid that

you may not be able to count on agreement from @oldandrewuk

#ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:17

#ukedchat let's face it, as professionals what do we do when we

have a knowledge gap, look it up online

mrpeel 20:17 @ufasarah #ukedchat if real=relevant, who defines this?

TeachToAll 20:17

@imrandjk exactly and if we listen to Gove it doesn't appear there

will be any time soon :s #ukedchat

aangeli 20:17

@dailydenouement I think you can get this into the timetable if the

traditional school 'timetable' changes #ukedchat

StrictTeacher99 20:18

#ukedchat no timetable gr8 idea! Should be teaching

explaining/thinking/reasoning/debating/understanding skills thro

real life situtaions

passionateaboot 20:18 @Mr_Chas #ukedchat What makes you say that?


RT @KempsterD: We have to define what 'curriculum' means and

why do we 'deliver' it @ the kids? 19th C model still perpetuated.

Time 4 real chnge #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:18

@imrandjk #ukedchat academies and free schools don't need to

follow national curriculum

KempsterD 20:18

We have to define what 'curriculum' means and why do we 'deliver'

it @ the kids? 19th C model still perpetuated. Time 4 real chnge

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:18

@ben_solly Sadly SKR does NOT have the answers:

http://t.co/SK29a17S #ukedchat


@LearningSpy #ukedchat They wanted it on their ideal PSHE

programme.... I think they tire of UCAS etc

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ufasarah 20:18

@a_p_martin maybe...not sure, I do rate alot of his stuff but havent

read anything on real learning? #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:18

@dorristheloris yepbetter to give the kids a project like Big

Challenge 'enterprise' and then they find they need to learn to code

#ukedchat

imrandjk 20:18 @paulhaigh isnt that only in private education? #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:18

Massively important that we prepare pupils for life in amulticultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith society. Hence importance of

RE. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:18

@mattpearson #ukedchat I'm afraid short term memory is no

bigger than it used to be. It takes as long as it ever did to learn a

times table.

elanazak 20:18

@UKCHAZ @smile2learn Happy children also want to learn. Don't

view it as a chore. #ukedchat

c_clark1 20:18

@Mad_teach #ukedchat totally agree.eg Kids think writing only

matters in literacy lessons not in geography/history/life!

jodieworld 20:18

@GillDeCosemo And then what do we teach in the afternoon? ;-)

#ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:19

@amoor4ed #ukedchat we apply part of BLP to student support.

But I wonder if it would fit in with an opening minds approach.

#ukedchat

elanazak 20:19

Has anyone asked their pupils this question? What do they say?

Shouldn't they be the ones answering this? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:19 @mrpeel consequences sounds like a good lesson topic #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:19

RT @mattpearson: I think schools have to draw some lines in the

sand and admit they can't teach everything . . be clear about what

they can do #ukedchat

davidhunter 20:19

#ukedchat shoelaces in y3 please ;) And telling the time should lie

with the parents imo


RT @StrictTeacher99: #ukedchat no timetable gr8 idea! Should be

teaching explaining/thinking/reasoning/debating/understanding

skills thro real life situtaions

TeachToAll 20:19

#ukedchat i'm very much in favour of teaching children HOW to

learn; learning to learn :D

aangeli 20:19

RT @KempsterD: We have to define what 'curriculum' means andwhy do we 'deliver' it @ the kids? 19th C model still perpetuated.


mattpearson 20:19

I think schools have to draw some lines in the sand and admit they

can't teach everything . . be clear about what they can do

#ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:19 #ukedchat Timetable will only change if testing changes

ukedchat 20:19 @teachitso SSOO last week ;-) #ukedchat

elanazak 20:19

Facilitating RT @passionateaboot: @ukedchat #ukedchat Should

we be teaching kids at all or facilitating learning? #ukedchat

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amoor4ed 20:19

We still need rigour for ensuring progress but with a core ethos of

skill development #ukedchat it's all about effective teaching isn't it?


@dailydenouement Good question! In EYFS, I find most of the day-

to-day things are do are social skills, rather than academic.

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:19@Educationchat Plenty of people don't live in such a society.#ukedchat


RT @StrictTeacher99: #ukedchat no timetable gr8 idea! Should be

teaching explaining/thinking/reasoning/debating/understanding

skills thro real life situtaions

ePaceonline 20:19

#ukedchat We need to question more and accept less, to help with

eager and inquiring minds.

LearningSpy 20:19


'know what to do when they don't know what to do'. Yes, that's

vital

mattbuxton10 20:19

@oldandrewuk Absolutely they need to know stuff; I teach them

stuff, they can find stuff 4 self & they can also figure stuff out

#ukedchat

teachitso 20:19

Apologies for my #clarkson moment RT @mattpearson @teachitso

you had to mention Pearson!! #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:19

@mrpeel good point, ideally a range of people and often the yp

themselves? #ukedchat

andywhiteway 20:19

Just found the @thebullacademy on #ukedchat that nicely satirises

a current edu trend

ukedchat 20:19

#ukedchat We are collecting the links from tonight at

http://t.co/NWqDxE0B so you can look later :-)

mattbuxton10 20:20

@Mad_teach GCSE is more than just about facts; facts have to be

used to form & present persuasive arguments, certainly in History

#ukedchat

jodieworld 20:20

@GillDeCosemo Ahhh of course! and cookery? Did we say cookery

yet? #ukedchat


@ufasarah #ukedchat Was it a feeling rather than a bank of set

knowledge that enabled you to do these things?


RT @GillDeCosemo: We need to teach children to think, listen,

question, be curious, investigate, care, be independent, to strive.

Not a tall order? #ukedchat




LearningSpy 20:20

@mattpearson Right but without knowing stuff how would know

where to look for more stuff? #ukedchat

aangeli 20:20 RT @ukedchat: @teachitso SSOO last week ;-) #ukedchat


I do think that in EYFS we have it easier in how flexible we are,

teaching social skills etc, rather than strict timetable. #ukedchat

AndrewMcPake 20:20

@pamela_nash Really impressed by this Pamela - the video would

be useful for teachers to use in PSE lessons! #ukedchat

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@Educationchat its great for children to lead the learning in this

area. They are so knowledgeable about their own faith #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:20

@mattbuxton10 It wasn't in your list. Yet it is probably the most

important. #ukedchat


#ukedchat To ensure we pick up your views in the archive, please

use the #ukedchat hashtag.

JoPearce 20:20

Lots of ideas in Hooray for Diffendoofer Day by Dr Suess

http://t.co/tVme4d3S #ukedchat

IaninSheffield 20:20

@dailydenouement Shouldn't there be an expectation that we

share some of the responsibilities for these areas with parents

though? #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:20 @passionateaboot lightly #ukedchat

smile2learn 20:20

#ukedchat we must respond quicker, curriculum planning needs to

have flexibility and personalised learning must become a reality.

paulbradshaw 20:20#ukedchat How to learn rather than 'game the system' - to lookbeyond the grades.


@markolambo I'm in the middle of a debate Mark #ukedchat Sorry

to clog your timeline

LawrenceBham 20:21 #ukedchat


@smile2learn any good personalized learning strategies for us?

#ukedchat

mrpeel 20:21 #ukedchat how to accept defeat with good grace?

mikeatedji 20:21

@passionateaboot #ukedchat Do you ask seriously? They know

waste; water footprint; climate change; rising food prices...or are

affected by

LearningSpy 20:21

@dailydenouement Solving intesting problems in the morning,

leadership in afternnon? #ukedchat

JenniH68 20:21

#ukedchat offering pupils opportunities and experiences out of

their comfort zone

ePaceonline 20:21

#ukedchat Most of what our pupils will need to know when they

leave school is yet to be invented. We need t (cont)

http://t.co/z1loEWYL

mattpearson 20:21

@LearningSpy that is why I was careful to use the phrase 'with the

right skills' which includes an awareness of what to look for

#ukedchat

aiddy 20:21#ukedchat same as it ever was: the ability to understand &manipulate the world around them

TeacherToolkit 20:21 @ukedchat @dailydenouement


@IaninSheffield I think so, yes - but some pupils don't get that at

home. Are we really preparing them if we ignore this? #ukedchat

Redsra 20:22

@GillDeCosemo that is how they come into school on Reception.

Current system bashes that out if them... #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:22

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Yes we should be teaching progressive

skills; analysis; sifting; synthesising...but what values to underpinthese?

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PhilWheeler1 20:22

RT @andywhiteway: @JenniH68: #ukedchat offering pupils

opportunities and experiences out of their comfort zone

agreed!

JamiePortman 20:22

RT @paulbradshaw #ukedchat How to learn rather than 'game the

system' - to look beyond the grades >>> This is THE MAJOR

challenge facing us!

mikeatedji 20:22@Educationchat Agreed, but not just RE! That should be part ofeverything! #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:22

@passionateaboot dunno really...but I reckon it was based first and

foremost on relationships with others #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:22 @oldandrewuk need to know what to do next #ukedchat


RT @neil_povey: Am I hopelessly idealistic in thinking that we

should be preparing pupils to be happy, good people, whatever

their strengths? #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:22

@a_p_martin i can se my parents response... most want to pull girls

from sex ed in PSHE #ukedchat

neil_povey 20:22

Am I hopelessly idealistic in thinking that we should be preparingpupils to be happy, good people, whatever their strengths?

#ukedchat

passionateaboot 20:22 @imrandjk #ukedchat Stuck between a rock and a hard place?


RT @JenniH68: #ukedchat offering pupils opportunities and

experiences out of their comfort zone


Interesting qu! RT @a_p_martin: @dailydenouement #ukedchat

parenting skills - oh yes please. Then again is this just social

engineering?

misshbond 20:22

RT @epaceonline: #ukedchat We need to question more and

accept less, to help with eager and inquiring minds.

HMIeducation 20:22

@mattbuxton10 that's definitely the best skill at the moment.

forming appropriate, functional arguments goes beyond grades .

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:22

do you think we should teach young people the mix of intellectual

rigour and random craziness which is a twitterchat? #ukedchat

andywhiteway 20:22

@JenniH68: #ukedchat offering pupils opportunities and

experiences out of their comfort zone agreed!

a_p_martin 20:22

@dailydenouement #ukedchat parenting skills - oh yes please. Then

again is this just social engineering?


Oooh that'd be great! RT @LearningSpy: @dailydenouement

Solving intesting problems in the morning, leadership in afternnon?

#ukedchat


@Mad_teach so we are talking about interest then, children

needed to be motivated to learn #ukedchat

KiDu89 20:23

RT @JenniH68: #ukedchat offering pupils opportunities and

experiences out of their comfort zone

TeacherToolkit 20:23 Simples.

smile2learn 20:23#ukedchat @elanazak agree we have developed a pupil forum withthe priority of keeping ahead of the game. Amazing what the find.

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#ukedchat get rid of tests as they stand at the moment often I feel

like I'm teaching simply to pass test. I want to engage excite

enthuse !

Educationchat 20:23 @neil_povey Define 'good'? #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:23


why do we 'deliver' it @ the kids? 19th C model still perpetuated.


ebd35 20:23




mrpeel 20:23

#ukedchat i would ban RE as nomenclature and focus on morals

and ethics... maybe why I'm not a head #ukedchat


@HMIeducation #ukedchat Yes it does. The flipped classroom is a

different approach to teaching. The teacher facilitates the

application

cherrylkd 20:23@PhilWheeler1 #ukedchat linking subjects eg maths & ICT or Eng &history is SEN model. Only way they learn. Works well.

GillDeCosemo 20:23

RT @mattpearson: do you think we should teach young people the

mix of intellectual rigour and random craziness which is a

twitterchat? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:23 @TeacherToolkit A series of tweets I think ;-) #ukedchat

JanieT56 20:23

@ePaceonline #ukedchat So our plumbers and builders won't be

necessary?

c_clark1 20:23

#ukedchat@mikeatedji Timetable will only change if testing

changes. Agreed! Altho its the high stakes of tests that really need

to change

natmx88 20:23

RT @huthart44: http://t.co/cGIlBJgg donations for our charity walk

for help for heroes please RT #educators #ukedchat #teachers

#soldiers

Educationchat 20:23

If we are to prepare children for life, then what is the value of

tests? Isn't getting along with people, teamwork more important?

#ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:23 @a_p_martin opening minds ? is that a programme?#ukedchat

aiddy 20:23

@PhilWheeler1 #ukedchat We have 100min lessons - isn't clear yet

how successful that'll be.

jodieworld 20:24

If we are preparing for life then tests am afraid ARE part of life.

Meeting deadlines is the daily test of any job! #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:24

@dailydenouement ukedchat didn't being skint at uni teach you

better about personal finance than any lesson could?

JamiePortman 20:24

RT @amoor4ed We need rigour 4 ensuring progress but with core

ethos of skill development #ukedchat all about effective teaching

>>> BRAVO!


@mrpeel #ukedchat don't diss RS lots of mileage in teaching that

alongside ethics and philosophymattpearson 20:24 @Teachric even better solution #ukedchat

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Educationchat 20:24

@LearningSpy @oldandrewuk A good point. I was speaking tongue-

in-cheek. What's a straw man? #ukedchat

trisha_telfer 20:24 RT @TeacherToolkit: Simples.

passionateaboot 20:24 @LearningSpy #ukedchat How do they do that then?





smile2learn 20:24





#ukedchat What about personal finance? I could've done with

'Budgeting Basics' before I went off to uni!

ukedchat 20:24




ufasarah 20:24 RT @TeacherToolkit: Simples.

mikeatedji 20:25#ukedchat Also making pupils (and ourselves) aware of theconsequences of our choices/actions...locally and globally

avyc 20:25




a_p_martin 20:25

@amoor4ed #ukedchat yes. KS3 skills curriculum model. The RSA

have a framework but I believe there are others. Often used to

develop yr9 KS4


@mikeatedji #ukedchat Do they know someone has told them their

view, or they have read it? Or do they know because they have

experience of?

ICTwitz 20:25 Should there be a focus on vocational training? #ukedchat

trisha_telfer 20:25

@TeacherToolkit totally agree. & by trying our best to be an

example of that kind of person we might inspire something in the

kids!#ukedchat

IaninSheffield 20:25

@paulbradshaw #ukedchat re 'gaming the system' - that's OK; it's

just being efficient. So let's change the system for 1 not so easily

gamed


#ukedchat RT @paulhaigh: @dailydenouement ukedchat didn't

being skint at uni teach you better about personal finance than any

lesson could?

mattbuxton10 20:25

@oldandrewuk fair play should have been- anything else isrelatively irrelevant until they know stuff, knowledge from many

sources #ukedchat

elanazak 20:25 @smile2learn what has the pupil forum found? #ukedchat


Maybe! RT @paulhaigh: @dailydenouement ukedchat didn't being

skint at uni teach you better about personal finance than any lesson

could?

aangeli 20:25

@amoor4ed @a_p_martin opening minds is a programme, google

RSA -opening minds #ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:25 @dailydenouement ha yeah i'm sure we all could have #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:25 @oldandrewuk If they live in the UK then they do... #ukedchat

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oldandrewuk 20:26

@neil_povey #ukedchat Yes. If I am miserable and evil it is not my

teachers' fault. If I am stupid or ignorant on the other hand...

trees2066 20:26

RT @mattpearson: I think schools have to draw some lines in the

sand and admit they can't teach everything . . be clear about what

they can do #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:26

@mattpearson #ukedchat yes, we expect kids to produce individual

pieces of work, in professions you never work alone

ukedchat 20:26 RSA Opening Minds http://t.co/43Nd4CrO #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:26

@ICTwitz I think any focus on what anyone but the child deems as

the "correct" path is probably where it goes wrong. Give choices

#ukedchat

KempsterD 20:26

Look at the interesting work Ewan McIntosh is exploring with

problem finders not problem solvers #ukedchat

http://t.co/BvIoOied

dailydenouement 20:26Make sure you use the #ukedchat hashtag for your tweets to bearchived - ta!

ben_solly 20:26

#ukedchat we need to prepare today's students to be good digital

citizens. Especially hard for teachers who don't use social media or

tech

davidhunter 20:26

#ukedchat if we adopt happy planet index along GDP we should

surely assess well-being along lit and maths results


@ufasarah #ukedchat So what enabled you to forge those

relationships with others?

mrpeel 20:26

RT @ICTwitz: Should there be a focus on vocational training?

#ukedchat not universally; vocational medics?

EmmaNorth89 20:26

RT @huthart44: http://t.co/cGIlBJgg donations for our charity walk

for help for heroes please RT #educators #ukedchat #teachers

#soldiers

HMIeducation 20:26

@passionateaboot facilitation is a key word. if education stops

being forced and is embraced then everything is successful.

#ukedchat


.@Redsra: @GillDeCosemo >> we help them walk and talk, then

tell them to sit down and shut up? #ukedchat


Here @TheBullAcademy our Citizenship course teaches the total

importance of other people providing us with public services.

#ukedchat


@jodieworld#ukedchat but I want more relevant tests do agree

they're part of life

Mad_teach 20:26

#ukedchat strictteacher99 couldn't agree more! Key stage 1 SATs r

a joke.

mattpearson 20:26

@jodieworld true, but many deadlines are met by a team working

together rather than an isolated individual . . #ukedchat


#ukedchat Have you ever asked your pupils what they want to be

prepared for?

LearningSpy 20:26 @passionateaboot do what? #ukedchat

mreddavies 20:27

#ukedchat although education should look at transferable skills. I

still think that the core of the subject is important.

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SiBloodDC 20:27

RT @jodieworld: If we are preparing for life then tests am afraid

ARE part of life. Meeting deadlines is the daily test of any job!

#ukedchat


@Mad_teach what assessment method would you suggest at that

age? #ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:27

@aangeli -sounds interesting -i'll check it out #ukedchat

@a_p_martin although we're primary based -BLP has beenfantastic with us

LearningSpy 20:27

@passionateaboot withdrawing support; encourage risk taking;

seeing failure as vital part of learning #ukedchat

aangeli 20:27

@jodieworld meeting deadlines IS a part of the daily challenge of

life but being tested (as in examined) isn't #ukedchat


@dailydenouement #ukedchat how can I keep up with the chat it's

too slow on tweetdeck

trees2066 20:27

Struggling to pick up the thread of #ukedchat this evening as a

latecomer!


We're almost halfway through #ukedchat - lots of ideas, any

solutions? HOW can we better prepare our learners for their

futures?


Our SEAL course teaches children that it is possible to be kind and

nice as long as you get your own way #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:27

@neil_povey so get rid of unnecessary testing and league tables

and allow joy in learning for its own sake #ukedchat

JanieT56 20:27

@aangeli @amoor4ed @a_p_martin #ukedchat. That's the

problem! We always look to programmes! Just be with kids and

open up WITH them.

GillDeCosemo 20:27

How about Conflict Resolution and Transactional Analysis?

#ukedchat

a_p_martin 20:27

@ukedchat: RSA Opening Minds http://t.co/tQZc6Dfv

#ukedchat thanks!


RT @Mad_teach: #ukedchat strictteacher99 couldn't agree more!

Key stage 1 SATs r a joke.

JoPearce 20:27

We've taught u that the earth is round,that red + white make pink,

+ something else that matters more-We've taught u how to think

#ukedchat

asober 20:27@StrictTeacher99 KS3 in Wales is test free! All assessment donethrough project based learning and skills. I like it a lot #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:27

@StrictTeacher99 @mattpearson True indeed. Both good points!

#ukedchat

andywhiteway 20:27

For me tonight's #ukedchat addresses the fundamental problem

with over obsession with grades

mikeatedji 20:27

@passionateaboot Perhaps a mixture - What do you think?

#ukedchat

PaperZip 20:27

Those addictive Angry Birds are back in our latest pack! Angry Birds

bookmarks - http://t.co/cWI2MMN4 #free #ukedchat #resourcespassionateaboot 20:27 @LearningSpy #ukedchat Hold the ladder 'lightly'

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neil_povey 20:27

@TeachToAll #ukedchat I agree. While we need to deliver content,

showing children that learning is human, desirable and enjoyable is

key.

mrpeel 20:28

#ukedchat best lesson obs last yr: GCSE dance - learning by

allowing failure and building skills

elanazak 20:28 @paulbradshaw psht: the hashtag is actually #ukedchat... ;-)

smile2learn 20:28

@elanazak #ukedchat they amaze us all the time, QR codes is the

latest interest... And advising a business how to embrace facebook

ICTwitz 20:28

@PhilWheeler1 Yes, and look at the mess they're in!!! Erm...hang

on.... #ukedchat

trees2066 20:28

RT @geraldhaigh1: It may be that herding children into buildings for

compulsory adult-defined lessons isn't the best way to prepare

them for life #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:28

#ukedchat http://t.co/AhF6QRLm this is an idea of how we could

be preparing pupils, I think

elanazak 20:28

RT @paulbradshaw I also think students need to know how to

collaborate w/ others online - but how to avoid concerns about

safety? #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:28 @asober many are jealously looking across the border :) #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:28

@StrictTeacher99 ditch tweetdeck, log onto http://t.co/FDzLU0Gg

(and thank me after)... #ukedchat

geraldhaigh1 20:28

It may be that herding children into buildings for compulsory adult-

defined lessons isn't the best way to prepare them for life

#ukedchat


Any suggestions folks? RT @StrictTeacher99: @dailydenouement

#ukedchat how can I keep up with the chat it's too slow on

tweetdeck

ICTwitz 20:28

RT @jodieworld: @ICTwitz I think any focus on what anyone but

the child deems as the "correct" path is probably where it goes

wrong. Give choices #ukedchat

Mad_teach 20:28

#ukedchat certainly in KS1 shouldn't it b fun fun fun so that they

WANT to learn more?

oldandrewuk 20:28 @Educationchat Really not true of all of the UK. #ukedchat

alisoniredale 20:28


why do we 'deliver' it @ the kids? 19th C model still perpetuated.Time 4 real chnge #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:28

@mattpearson @StrictTeacher99 Maybe group tests ie a group

output such as film project/group presentation (which is how IB

"test") #ukedchat

Redsra 20:28

@ConsultantHead @gilldecosemo as they move up the system they

are closed down and lead their own learning less n less #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:28

@mrpeel But we still need manual workers, such as plumbers,

electricians etc in future society #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:29

@Educationchat #ukedchat As a personal quality, yes. As an aim ofeducation? Unlikely. Who I get on with is not my teacher's choice to

make.

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amoor4ed 20:29

@JanieT56 it's about teachers having a basis of understanding to

make sure skills and core curriculum are covered with purpose

#ukedchat

jodieworld 20:29

@JanieT56 Of course - I meant vocational or academic choice. Not

anything they want! #wouldbefunthough? ;-) #ukedchat

asober 20:29@ufasarah :-) and we are jealous of your 604 more on avg perchild over the border ;-) #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:29

@dailydenouement you learnt through failure! Good teacher ;)

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:29

@trees2066 Topic: What is it exactly that educators are supposed

to be preparing pupils for? #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:29

How many teachers/schools address global warming and make it a

priority over tests/exams? #ukedchat


RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat chn that 'require' adult support

should be helped to cope without. Leaving school with learned

helplessness can not be good

rhonaemacaskill 20:29





@neil_povey @TeachToAll children need to have positive

experiences from an early age to enjoy learning #ukedchat


On World Aids Day, are we doing enough of the 'big issue' stuff?

Are we too narrow in our focus? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:29

@JanieT56 #ukedchat of course we will always need skills of

plumbing etc but the technology they will use to do the work will

be different!

davidhunter 20:29

#ukedchat chn that 'require' adult support should be helped to

cope without. Leaving school with learned helplessness can not be

good


RT @JoPearce: We've taught u that the earth is round,that red +

white make pink, + something else that matters more-We've taught

u how to think #ukedchat

JamiePortman 20:29

#ukedchat A balance is required: Yes to standards agenda & Yes to

skills/qualities/competencies needed to thrive. Got to be about

relevance!

ICTwitz 20:29RT @PhilWheeler1: @ICTwitz It works in Germany, academic,vocational, technical, but backed by Gov and Industry #ukedchat

HMIeducation 20:29

@passionateaboot i think they don't have the time or resources to.

facilitation takes more time to introduce, then flows freely.

#ukedchat

mreddavies 20:30

#ukedchat @KempsterD here here!! Shouldn't be just about exams

but is this exam board or schools problem.

JanieT56 20:30

@KempsterD #ukedchat underpinning this is notion that pupils self-

direct their learning and find problems rather than teacher giving

problem

MusicEdLife 20:30

#ukedchat pupils Can find facts & info for themselves when itbecomes relevant. Teach them to be inquisitive&life long

learners(&musicians)

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RT @mattbuxton10: There are some core concepts kids should be

able to apply to knowledge; cause/effect, compare/contrast,

sequencing, analogies etc #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:30

@Redsra @paulhaigh of course some tasks are individual but some

are team driven and school assessment is always individual

#ukedchat

PhilWheeler1 20:30

@ben_solly all teachers should be made to view #ukedchat justonce to see real value. Maybe a national inset and a 1 off daytime

ukedchat

passionateaboot 20:30 @ufasarah #ukedchat so fewer silly rules, more your rules?

mattbuxton10 20:30

There are some core concepts kids should be able to apply to

knowledge; cause/effect, compare/contrast, sequencing, analogies

etc #ukedchat


RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat chn that 'require' adult support

should be helped to cope without. Leaving school with learned

helplessness can not be good

TeachToAll 20:30

many children now will enter jobs that yet exist wen they leaveschool so makes sense to develop flexible, lifelong learners

#ukedchat

trees2066 20:30

RT @ukedchat: @trees2066 Topic: What is it exactly that educators

are supposed to be preparing pupils for?

#ukedchat>>@RonSymington there!

mrpeel 20:30

#ukedchat could you all pause while I empty the dishwasher, I'm

enjoying this

elanazak 20:30

@ConsultantHead Ha but besides passing exams, does he see

anything else he wants to learn in school? #ukedchat


@Redsra @gilldecosemo My favourite lessons are those when we

spend a day being creative eg working in a wood building shelters

#ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:31

@MusicEdLife absolutely - music is at the core of being - too often

left out #ukedchat #frustratedmusician


To prepare students to work in collaboration with others,

teamwork is a key skill to have #ukedchat

asober 20:31

I think Thinking, Adaptability and Interdependence are key skills

teachers need to help learners aquire #ukedchat

mrpeel 20:31 @mattpearson it might just sell #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:31 @passionateaboot presumably ;) #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:31

That's why I love MoE. It encourages collaborative working,problem-solving, using initiative,decision making and reasoning

skills #ukedchat

aiddy 20:31

#ukedchat We shouldn't over estimate the pace of real change -

preparing students for _today_ would be a good start

smile2learn 20:31

@davidhunter #ukedchat disagree, a need to create learners who

actively look for help for learning opportunities from wherever it

comes from

SimonBainbridge 20:31 We should be guiding them to be collaborators ! #ukedchat

trees2066 20:31

@ukedchat Preparing for the unknown. Anyone who dares topredict what job my 4 yr old will be doing in 2075 is braver than

me! #ukedchat

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mikeatedji 20:31

@passionateaboot #ukedchat That's a valid point but pupils are

engaged in learning about sustainabty cos it is to do with their real

lives


@LearningSpy #ukedchat Presumably for teachers as well as

students?

LearningSpy 20:31

@passionateaboot Very unlikely that Ss views come from

experience co they're inexperienced. #ukedchat


@davidhunter @dailydenouement Certainly an issue sometimes in

our special schools #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:31

@mrpeel if you can empty your dishwasher then thank a teacher

(the bumper sticker they never made) #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:31 @mattbuxton10 agree mustnt lose sight of those #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:31

@KempsterD Nah I watch too many comedians... "The planet is

fine, the people are screwed" - George Carlin ;-) #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:31RT @JanieT56: @jodieworld @ICTwitz Has to be choice withinlimits. Anarchy won't work. #ukedchat

smile2learn 20:32 @aiddy #ukedchat today is yesterday to quickly.

TeacherToolkit 20:32

At SLT mtg tonight, we discussed lack of transferable skills between

KS3-KS4. Skills, PLTS, SEAL etc. #UKEdChat

mikeatedji 20:32

#ukedchat @passionateaboot They can self direct their learning

when they find about the stuff they use/eat/wear: Where/how was

it made?

mrpeel 20:32

@amoor4ed agree. Rarely seen as vital to building confidence

socially #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:32

@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat Cognitive psychology suggests our

ability to apply knowledge hinges to a large degree on how well we

know it.

LearningSpy 20:32

RT @KempsterD: Look at the interesting work Ewan McIntosh is

exploring with problem finders not problem solvers #ukedchat

http://t.co/BvIoOied

jodieworld 20:32

I cannot even predict what MY job will be in ten years...let alone 29

other people's! #ukedchat

HMIeducation 20:32

Collaboration really is a key discussion. If children learn to facilitate,

it helps the learning process itself. #ukedchat

elanazak 20:32

RT @paulbradshaw PS: This is one example of doing that at MA

level: http://t.co/onhlAr5o #ukedchat

bebu76 20:32

RT @YMSchools: We would love more followers. Can you help us

reach 500 by Christmas? Please RT! #ukedchat #teachers

#wellbeing bit.ly/ti82yx

ukedchat 20:32

RT @PhilWheeler1: @ben_solly all teachers should be made to

view #ukedchat just once to see real value. Maybe a national inset

and a 1 off daytime ukedchat

ufasarah 20:32

@passionateaboot negotiated rules perhaps? what about you?

#ukedchat


@HMIeducation #ukedchat What about the knowledge or

experience of as well?

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davidhunter 20:33

@ConsultantHead @dailydenoument #ukedchat an issue in

mainstream as I see it. Much rather see the chn help each other


RT @C_Hendrick: Ultimately we should be teaching kids to ask the

'right' questions, not memorize the 'right' answers. #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:33

@oldandrewuk Even more important then that children who dolive in such a society know how to cope in a multi-cultural society.

#ukedchat

HMIeducation 20:33

@passionateaboot facilitation enables more informed and

enjoyable education. more opportunities for new experiences as a

result #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:33

@mattpearson #ukedchat yes we see the importance of group

work in learning but it doesn't surface in assessment (did at my uni)

PhilWheeler1 20:33@trees2066 @ukedchat if there working then their paying into thepensions pot, so Gov will be happy. The only certainty

JanieT56 20:33

@aiddy we talk about technology and the future but in reality,

technology for children is the present! #ukedchat

amoor4ed 20:33

We can't get away from standards -that's why we need to be clever

and focussed with curriculum delivery #ukedchat


Perfect! RT @C_Hendrick: Ultimately we should be teaching kids to

ask the 'right' questions, not memorize the 'right' answers.

#ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:33

@dailydenouement why have to slyly insert non-compliance into

the curriculum #ukedchat


@LearningSpy #ukedchat So whose view is it? Do teachers

influence pupils with their slant of the knowledge and what they

choose to present?


@Mad_teach I would def agree with you, by testing so early you

can destroy a child's love for learning, we are too quick to label

#ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:33

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I think we need to prepare

pupils to navigate through media/cyber saturated lives carefully &

recognise bias, manipulation etc

elanazak 20:33

RT @HMIeducation: Collaboration really is a key discussion. If

children learn to facilitate, it helps the learning process itself.#ukedchat

aangeli 20:33

RT @TeacherToolkit: At SLT mtg tonight, we discussed lack of

transferable skills between KS3-KS4. Skills, PLTS, SEAL etc.

#UKEdChat

C_Hendrick 20:33

Ultimately we should be teaching kids to ask the 'right' questions,

not memorize the 'right' answers. #ukedchat

JamiePortman 20:33

RT @KempsterD We have to define what curriculum means & why

we 'deliver' it. 19th C model still perpetuated. Time 4 change

#ukedchat >> YES!

ePaceonline 20:33

RT @asober: I think Thinking, Adaptability and Interdependence are

key skills teachers need to help learners aquire #ukedchat

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TeachToAll 20:33

@nightzookeeper completely agree..this is a skill children can take

with them throughout life...lifelong learning :D #ukedchat


#ukedchat I think we need to prepare pupils to navigate through

media/cyber saturated lives carefully & recognise bias,

manipulation etc

paulhaigh 20:33@Redsra even authors don't write alone, their editors work withthem, I think it's rare to 'work' alone #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:33

RT @Mad_teach #ukedchat certainly in KS1 shouldn't it b fun fun

fun so that they WANT to lrn more?> always bt that's hw it shd be

in evry yr

mrpeel 20:33 @jodieworld I hoped to have retired in 10 years... #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:34

@oldandrewuk No - but a teacher can help you develop skills

needed to cope with all sorts of people, whether you like them or

not. #ukedchat

dmchugh675 20:34

#ukedchat NI Curriculum aims 'to develop each child as an

individual and contributors to society, economy and environment'

mikeatedji 20:34

@c_clark1 Exactly! They distort and pervert what is meaningful

about learning for life beyond schoool walls #ukedchat

nightzookeeper 20:34 @dailydenouement @C_Hendrick I like your thinking! #ukedchat

neil_povey 20:34

RT @oldandrewuk: @neil_povey #ukedchat Yes. If I am miserable

and evil it is not my teachers' fault. If I am stupid or ignorant on the

other hand...

SurrealAnarchy 20:34

RT @mattbuxton10: @oldandrewuk @SurrealAnarchy I don't think

the Trivium is a bad way of looking at it at all; the clothes line all

else hangs off? #ukedchat

GillDeCosemo 20:34

@ConsultantHead @Redsra Sounds like the perfect start to the

day! #ukedchat


@mrpeel would love to be retired in 10 years can't imagine being

there still at 68!(in 19 years time) #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:34

@JamiePortman Agree. Curriculum today is old fashioned already.

#UKEdChat

ufasarah 20:34 @paulhaigh aaahh but that would be cheating :-) #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:34



mrpeel 20:34

@LearningSpy why be sly? Teach them to challenge intelligently

when faced by obstacles #ukedchat

LearningSpy 20:34

@passionateaboot Inevitably - teaching is indoctrination - doesn't

smell as sweet though #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:34

@oldandrewuk @SurrealAnarchy I don't think the Trivium is a bad

way of looking at it at all; the clothes line all else hangs off?

#ukedchat

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RT @Educationchat: @oldandrewuk Even more important then

that children who do live in such a society know how to cope in a

multi-cultural society. #ukedchat

aangeli 20:34



jodieworld 20:34@mrpeel So did I ...but I would only be 43... ;-) #ukedchat ...Maybeby 45...

aiddy 20:35

@JanieT56 #ukedchat agreed - point was I've been using the net

since early 90s. Have recently moved from tech industry 2 edu &

am shocked

SheliBB 20:35

*and* the children also problem-find during mantle of the expert.

Then they colaborate to solve the problems! #ukedchat

andywhiteway 20:35

Agree with @dailydenouement. As Media teacher feel like NC

crying out for better digital literacy #ukedchat - jus look @ leveson!

mrpeel 20:35

#ukedchat disciplines like ToK really help develop ability to see past

media distortion #ukedchat

nicwwfc 20:35

I always come in late to #ukedchat and never know what's going on

:(

StrictTeacher99 20:35 @mattpearson tweetchat sorted thank you

LearningSpy 20:35 @mrpeel Sly because schools teach compliance #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:35

RT @jodieworld @KempsterD Nah I watch too many comedians...

"The planet is fine, the people are screwed" - George Carlin ;-)

#ukedchat >true

PhilWheeler1 20:35

RT @StrictTeacher99: @mrpeel would love to be retired in 10 years

can't imagine being there still at 68!(in 19 years time) #ukedchat

paulhaigh 20:35

#ukedchat I think outstanding teachers often use facilitation rather

than 'teaching' e.g. posing a student's question back to whole class


@mikeatedji How is it to do with their real lives? Is it not to do with

their future lives? #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:35

RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat i would ban RE as nomenclature and focus

on morals and ethics... maybe why I'm not a head #ukedchat

owmyfoothurts 20:35

RT @dmchugh675: #ukedchat NI Curriculum aims 'to develop eachchild as an individual and contributors to society, economy and

environment'


Who should be 'in charge' of saying what we need to prepare

learners for? #ukedchat


RT @dailydenouement: Perfect! RT @C_Hendrick: Ultimately we

should be teaching kids to ask the 'right' questions, not memorize

the 'right' answers. #ukedchat

mikeatedji 20:36

@passionateaboot No- It's to do with right now. If you use digital

tech, someone has dug up the coltan. We are all connected.

#ukedchat

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ePaceonline 20:36

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I think we need to prepare

pupils to navigate through media/cyber saturated liv (cont)

http://t.co/HB0FaVjV

ukedchat 20:36

@nicwwfc Topic: What is it exactly that educators are supposed to

be preparing pupils for? #ukedchat. Last 25 minutes or so. Join the

debate


@mrpeel @LearningSpy agree, we need to give them challenges

every day to solve instead of spoon feeding facts. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:36

@oldandrewuk But once they have secure knowledge of something

they should do something with it? Agreed though knowing stuff is

key #ukedchat


@ufasarah #ukedchat PE and sport gave me the chance to be me,

and not to have to listen or read someone else's idea of what I

needed to know

SteveThursby 20:36

RT @Educationchat: Massively important that we prepare pupils

for life in a multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-f

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