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    Trut & LightBref Explanatons0

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    Cl: th l is Ti h isris h v f b fr fr s t bi l

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    u iviizati a ki f tativ,mpaht k a itlltua i atuallwalki t th a pa f hi iu

    t p ti uti a biht hilmiht a f it fah mh What itl lik t b fu w? Wh i thah bi Th i wa thi h aiv aw i will mptl uabu th tha i hi, vtuh

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    Editor's Preface

    The Tuh itself s a vbaon, an effugece,

    a sound eard wthout eas a ght se wthouteyes. Fo the begnnng thee ave been thosesuc as Gu Bawa wo havg udestoo thaut ha to fn ways o evea tat whc cano ealzed except oug et epence

    To the neecta mn wou sem m

    possble o that T to coveyed a bksuc as ths s becas the wods atbuted toGuu Bawa wee ognay spoe a ancentaguage cae aml an smutaeously tansae nto Egs Next whe te wo-fo-wodtascp was examned t became appaet that

    te vbaon n Guu Bawa's voce asmttedmeanngs that smpy wee o as cea n ptedom So t became ecessa fo a sma team ofetos to wo on te text

    Yet, as ths boo uoded, t beame ceasngy cetan at each eae coud expeece

    at uth he wods pted o thes pages Itbecame cea that e same Oe G out of whomthat ogna Vbaton coms s aso the Go wtheach o s who ecevs that Vbaton ad unestas

    o exampe n convesaos afte te act

    boh Le Hon and Wl Nofe tale about thespca quaty each epeenced ng theao ntews of Guu Bawa Whe both haveong expece nevewng sptal eades onhe pogams each foun hemseves asngstons as genne sesot as poessona

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    radio penalitie. Specific thak houd be gveto the Pacica radio ework for eekg ou adarg uch ntevew

    Oe aao decrbed the expeience thway, "There reay sn't ay ranaig goin oa a cocou o itellectua evel It is as houghe expaato eded at that momet impyexplode inide Guru Bawa and come ou og p a a ound caled Tami. hat oud ex

    plode de of me ad come ou a a oudcaed Engh So f tat oud caed ngi aoexplode de the teer eveyoe ha eadhe ame thg

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    tef o be heard a ound When the eye of oeof the editor paed by a paage that neededgeate caiy, the word woud br ad e eyeauomaicaly eemed to etu to e pevoueece Smay we the mpule came tomake an teectualy-motivated cage te had

    ote became heavy ad unable to wteUdoubtdy th ad wll hav maexpeiece Tha whc mot nd to be detood ow wl mae te undetod A omelae date when moe undetadg eededte eade wl et o t book and fd ex

    actly the meaning that i needed thenA Guu awa ha ad t God wo eGod

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    Edios Noe

    Muhamad Raeem Baw 'aiyaddeen(may God be pleased with him) was a a ofextraodary wisdo a compassio. For oversevety years he sellessly shared is knowledgead exeriece wit eope o every ace andeigio, rom al wals o life. Accodig to te

    backgods pole addressed wth mayderet tites sc as G, Swai heik adHis oiess. Kowig tha these ters were simly an eessio o love ad respect BawaMhaiyaddee did ot cocern imself wt teisage Bu te te 160s ad 70s tee wasa sdde ilx of so-called grs ito the wesHe becae distrbed by the beavior o some otese divdals ad by te oneyakig orgaizatos tey ad bilt, ad e did no ws tobe assocaed with them So i 1978 awaMayadd had the ttle o gr oicially reoved rom is ae and fro the eowsipstat had grow aod m

    Truth and Lght: Brief Expltos was publised beore tis cage was ade The readershold, ereoe k mind te sirt in whichthe erm gru s sed i te ollowing ag Atre gr s a perected God ealed beig; oe

    wo has made God hs oly wealh ad as seveed all desires or wodly weat; ad oe whoas acquied Gods qalites who peros isactos accordgy ad cotas mself wthintoe qaties

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    INTERVIEW AT

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    n in w hv n s sittin. W rin Std C wih bt 1 pp, d wh Gr Bw wih s wh is thrfr

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    r athr tday.

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    ca y Fathr (). What is th ratnshiptn y as fathr and Gd as Fathr

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    dinary hman ing bt s thr anythingthn y xcpt Gd and th Qatis fGd

    GURU AWAFr s as as fr t chidrn t sc

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    tion knon th boy i h rh th rth tr th i, nd th thr Thi iomthing ht vryon n Y thin

    hi, thr i nothr Myry Tht Mytry omthing ht nnot b dicovrd y nymn, no vn y h por oth tom t ino omhng tht n iovr yin. I i Po tht i ithot form orimg It h no oo; I h no h h no

    r; t h no rigion I do not rognidiffrn i Por o th ort tht iihin th hmn ing And hovr it iihin hom tht Po mnift on h th Por h i nvr kp nythngothr thn th Por ithin himf nho h n h Por not kp thinhm nything othr thn tht Thi i th onr n ht i h h h ith him

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    of yor pron hitory, or i pon hitorynot mpornt to yo?

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    lr vrh s wr Tr r s rs wiss plsWh ls Wht wrs W w v t

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    at a man bing d fir a i a trngfait Ta rngt i firt irmntcndy a man ing nd t Qati

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    animal, t a no dmon, a no aa, t a o vlpi ad magic All t cn ot-

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    hn y ra a hvr i is a ylv, hrv i is a y rsd, vr is a yr i avls, hrvr i is ha

    yr n gs sk slac n h danss,avr s h g yr dsir isgag and rvr i is a yr ind,y inignc, yr isd ad yrnss livha is ha ll is. Whr yrd lvs , is ha hl is And i is hasa lac ha cs ll

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    noter y o detet et ere in te t e o of te ed ity toell t i known ivne inoWido If yo begin to inle t rgrnetrog tt ty of eing lled i-vine ino Wido ten of te Fr-gne of God nd Hi Qlitie wl oeere Yo wi be ble to oe yoref i e-ty n t exeree

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    ye e eet begn to oe. ey ertedvery qky d oe yo d e yo werebe to grind nd tite nd tte of teig o te wold Ad tee teet ie tte world i o ny wy In differet wyyo ow yo teet to e word Very oo

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    the teet al al Then ere i i tnguewhic babe. ay gd thing and badthng, thing that make ee and thig that

    d nt make ene. t peak evil tg andvulgar ting t ay all thingBut we have t tink abu thi Amg

    the ceatn fGd man i indeed e msg te nblet Thee exit wa i calledManGd GdMan Gd did nt create

    ayting greate a ma. e i indeed enblet Gd' creati Yet at e ameme i i a rue that there i mredageru animal than man amng Gdcreain. e ca ecme Sata We d have afrad f any ther Saa r i mabecme aanic i a ttal danger. mabecme a beat he de n e any beigale it i t pible t ecape frm him Hewil devur evey ne And if man tanfrmnt Sata e wuld destry the entire eat

    u if man tranfrm in Gd te witi Lve and mpai he will embrac lbeing. S if ese atanic ad beatlycapacitie and the penitie f he teehand the tgue ca be cntrled, and i,wt Widm e can exrac te tate ad the

    peaure the Divine wihn imif thitranfrmatin ca ae placeif e ca takein tat Dvine Tate, ten e wuld aveecme Gd

    XONGuru Bawa have a cuple f pint that

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    wat vry much fr yu t wav it a dis-curs if yu wd fist is t qusti fth Guru's Grac What is t ad hw ds it

    actay pratGUU W

    ist abut Grac

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    a ts diffrt

    kids f ms ar withi t art. Omut b ab t rcgi wa it is tat aprs ds r ar som wh d ad

    ad tr ar rs w d ir. Tr arths w d gd ad thrs wh dws ad diamds ik this my brtr tb ab t rcgi wat ach prs dsthr mst b Grac

    t t magic .t t a mata t arigi. t is t a r t is t aytig thathas a qua t t. t is t a m r a star asu. t is a Pwr S it is y w kwsabt a th diffrt thgs that ar tharth wo ca rvid vy wit wat hds

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    Sppose yo ook fo a preios stoee aer yo fid te toe you ae to dis-oer at what poit wihi tat stoe ts

    briae eists Yo mst kow with tethiess o a read jst wee to t i adyo mst kow exay how to faet thediamod to gie it is poper sape You haeo kow a o hese tigs t is oy at thispoit at oe a gie a ae to that stoe

    U oe a do ts ere is a eed to earto stdy ad to be traied. Tere is a eed tosearh o ad stay ear someoe wo kowsabout these thigs to fd someoe whokows is seo orougy ad ear fromhim

    uyig that witi yoursef dersadg at dggig ad fidig ad the uttgad te fay seeig the Power ta wititat what is aed Grae

    Eeyhig abou a ma a be measuredeep fo te ear of ma Tat aot bemeasredYo must go o eparatig ad ex-amiig a ttig tig tig ea ote tigs that ae withi yo wit WisdomYou hae to eamie the earth. You hae to ex-amie the fie Yo ae to dist ad disoer

    the gs ta are i water ad separate adudersad te powers of the air ad eamead dersad ad t the powers of theeter ad e arios oors f oe goes ottig away a o these tigs ad dsardigtem i ts way he omes to Tat w a

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    t b t, Tha whih a b diarddThat Thing whih GdGa Thatwhih at b vrm r t by Widm

    whih at b u ay mr with th thigthat hav, hatiGd, hat i Gra Tha whatGra i Br that i y ar tld, ywll n udrtand Br tha raliatimagi an b hwn t yu but h ruth a-nt b tld t yu Th m a b hw t

    yu. Th a a b hwn. Bt hi antb hwn. Thrr, wh ha lad thTruth ll t hw anyhing u hav t g tthat pin ad th vrythig wil hw yu Th i th way th rth i

    Wha wa th nxt quti?

    OWha i th din apprah

    btwn th mid ad th hat?

    GU BAWAhr i a thg alld lv Fr xamp

    tak a w r a bird whatvr t may b, it hav, h apaity lv Aima hav thiapaity vn ata ha thi apaity. Thr lv i al h thng A ak lv itbabi vy mh, bt it bit m l.h li i vry mh i v with it hildrbt i mthing appah it will killand at it Th tig i th am way . thi whatlv i

    N, it i nt hihr i th Lv Gd

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    o Divine ove Tha ovethat Divine o-assionis the ecogniton of a beings asones own eing as one's own sef Ta is

    Go's Dty W tat ove, wih that o-asson,Go can be eachehat is His Wo

    LEX IXOSoetis t sees as if te in is an

    anaytic oo an e ea is an intitive oneDoes Gu Bawa see any iffeence betweenhe?

    G BAWAOie an insie ae tee Whateve

    we see tat aes us ay ta aes us

    agh hat gives us ease an oy watevewe ove a of these coe fo the oneyin Bt thee is anote oint weeoing I a not is sai Bot ae heeBot the one who is a na an one wo isDiviney Wise ae thee an bot ae ight.

    One has aen oiu bany aiana a oftese intoxicants He is coetey n aninocate n s sate of intoxication hethins tat the oa s going an own oa the oses ae cng towas hi eoes no conse te fact that he is the one

    wo is oving an ta a of e othe thngsae stationay. Wen e s waing on the oaan soeone ese coes by the ote esonust try to avoi i because tis an is sway-ng this way an that f te na bsinto i he baes te othe an saying,

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    Wy ae yo in me on yo no eoad? Wa is is? And is sae of opo,e ill o and fal someee and sleep

    en a ief il coe by nin, Tafello may ae some moey n is poce!"And e ill ae e moey and o aay.Anoe fello ill come and ae s coa ando and anoe ll ae is si. Finally ei no een ae yin e o oe isbaside. he ins a e s a omesleepin, and e is qe comfoable eins a ee e as fallen is s oe ispalace and is bed He is e is ome is ife and cilden e does o no

    anyino a an a iinely ise peso, salso lie is. He al as noin e as a oinlo. Te od is no ea m e sis by aee and says He says looin oad od Icold e said a ey ae bo n e same

    plae o e same sae eie sees eold e dn does no see e old, ade does o see e old eie Is isdnad eeoe aa oes e ae isdom? as e eaced od? o e s n a n-iu ae ee oe o o

    ayi! Tee is a deece beeen eo saes!

    Te a as discaded eeyin ad,io e aein of is Wsdom e aspoceeded n e sai pa o od. e

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    the ne a detyed hi ene widand, in a aen tate wd ha eethin

    The dnad n h tie,ce bak cncine and eaize whha happened, that e a eeythin, ande h he Bt the gni ie and ehat he d i inied e e andpceed d Thi he deenceTheei a iia dieence beween in wi theind and n it he T and Widhi i the deence.

    n the peatin te ene hee aee type cnne wid They

    ae he wid cnne the eahte wid he ie, the wate, he ai andhe ethe Tee e id ae cncne ae ihin a bein, een cate Thee ie ae ithin a Bt an hehan ben tee i anthe ae wi-

    d hvu iine Wd, which iabe epaae scrmnat, and to exaine t i ie te iee ed in the pannin d, wih whic y pan a the dand ae he d ane Thi ectin uhv Anaytic Wd, i ha

    capaciy with hch y tain t he ape eah ie ae ai, and ethe and keepny he en Mand d MnhaPwe. epaae ha When i i ainedike ti ha whc i ae e he ec-n Gd and tha wich i e eath i

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    dcaded te ecio of te eat tee aecoutle gitte! t fo ma bede e(ote) e wdom o tate of

    cocoe ee ae a ie ee taeof cocioeWe ometig come ad catce

    yo o yo body o yo legle e e-atio tat we eel we a moquito o a lycome ad bite mmediately we it t

    Reeely we i i We tik Wat i ttat came ad bt me?"ad we examie adee wat it wa Wa t a ly Wy did it bieme? Wa t? it a at? it a fly?" So f weeamie at poce we ee ta it we feelomeg Tat ac feelig. Te we

    become awae o it at i a awaeeTe ee pudh o ieecat wictel you wat te btig obec i ay ti i a poioou ig! ad yo lap ad ilit

    Le we te mid i cawlg aogwe ee fie eleme ae cawg alogad tey ae btg ee i wi Widom ady wa i t? ad ma it

    Te mokey mid tael all oe tewold ad big bac all id of tig t

    look at all of ee tig ad big tem allbac to you ad e yo fee i cawig ide of you witi yo cet A you becomeawae o mid you mut ay wa it g? We yo ecoge ta ey ete tig at te mid a bogt koc

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    em f, pus em away Wi yur dhyu ee, yu eligene, n emaway

    Wi a u sae wisdm we ave n T is mind s brigig al inds f ings is uilding uses me live in Wa iss ea, fe, wae ai, ad ee as [dy]wa is is ig W am Wa ind use suld ive i Were am gg Wa is s ig" Ts s aled a-hi judgmen, esmaig yurselfWeream w, and wee were we befre [i]d wa s s use [bdy], and wseuse s Wa is i s i a reed plae s i a

    peaive se s a se s a sage s ia musi audum Tere ae all inds fngs appening ee: peple me smedane; e sig ey me ad g. Wa iss Tee ae a ms f aiviy ging n inee Tere is ne w mes ie a gs

    ae mes lie a li ane lie aemn. There are al hese eranes and eis is ie a ig junge. Tey ave all me ereinside me, ad ey ae pefmig eir asTey sing ad dae ey me ad g andga Tee s a f vey dageus aiviy

    gng ame ee ean ame ee ean my essns am payng my en, buee ae all f ese e fres ad peplew ave me ee. Wa is s Tey ae eg me nue my sudies Tey aren eg me eamne ings Tey are n

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    alwing me t tae my examinati. The dgis n ne side shutig Aw! The fx isn the her side, hwling Aw The

    demns ae n ather side shuigAaaaaaah!" Their eeth ae shwig and heyd t let me d aythig. There is this wrthat I have cme here t d What is this?Whse huse is his?"

    S have examie hs huse that I livin nw ad fid what is ad f whatsbsace i has bee made must discverhw i is built ad in what desig it has beemade Ad havig ndesd all f thesethings, I must hi must buid a se that

    is beynd all f these thigs e that will ntbe eate by the earth, that cant be des-yed by ie ha w t be washed away bywaer r blwn away by wid, a huse hat isbeyd ay kind f decatin tha clrs cangive i It is that ind f huse hat I must

    build fr i I d have a huse ie tha, theI ca exis cant exst i this cwd. Thesecis n his preset huse are warrig witheach her Water is agaist fire, the eaths agaist waer Wid is against water thecrs are agains smehing else. This s ngd If I cntinue t say in this place wheree is fighing with ahe, it l be a very bigrbe fr me I cannt stay i his area"

    X IXOGuru Bawa abu the ve elemets: I

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    od alon xiss hn H mus av also pro-cd s iv lmns And if hr cannob anying ls bu Him

    UR BAWATha is u and vry imporan Evyin

    is His craionTh Sou s His g a Powr. I is from

    Thr. I is somhing ha canno con-

    sumd by fr or by anyng s. I is HisPow. is indscabl; is vrlasing

    Bu his ar and all of h ohr hingsa craions and a sub o hang andransormaion I you ak a son and how iino h air wll kp on gong up? o As fadisan as h pow of moon vryhingha gos up has o com bak down causof h powr and pu of h rh I pullsings back o i, hr

    Bu, h Powr is pulling r I has no

    shadow od as no shadowno form and noshdw Ts ohr hings owvr, havshadow. If yo ig a lamp, ha as a sadowf you look a an an as a shadow Wavris mad by scinc has a shadow also. All ofhs hings ha av shadows a subj o

    ransformaon o ang Ty com andhy go. Thy ar n on fom and hychang o ano fom

    LX HIXONn your consciousnss of od is no

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    aow rap t a o aowrap adow ar iluory

    GURU WWatv a aow dtrutb I

    will b dtroyd. vrytig tat a a adowll b troy t wil di, will ag, adit wll o i iffrt for T i owa t City o Nw ork O po it wa udr wat i wa oa So otrt t ay a b a outa t opoit ti ara ay av fll of forta ugl t ow t i a ity wit t ao Nw or Ti i otig tat ag

    Tha a agig Tig

    LX HXONW o i oiou of ti agg

    ig a you til ag

    GURU Wfo at a kow, bo t U

    agabl a kow, t agig tiga to b udtood Wtout owg ti,Tat ao b ow

    LX HIXONut aug at o ow , a t

    a of Guru awa, a t agiga t uagig utaouly

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    R BAWA[irjct

    I o ot kow o o ow I t

    lrig v ot o wor to o, I tig

    EX HIONr Bw, wi o g og, or or

    itto o tt t popl wo rlitig wil b to poplwo r r will b bl o ?

    GR BAWA

    r kow to , Tr kow o t ct,

    Fol For, Tr kow o t c,

    Forl For, rr Tr,

    M Yo co coort t i

    r Trr,M Yo co coo i

    So tt H op;

    o tt t Hrt op o t big iv;So tt Hrt op

    big lv i Copltio.So tt v to

    b clr,

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    o a or Grae ay oe ad sowersoaorGrae ay oe ad sower

    Weoe, weloe

    o are weoe God, y Fae o ae weloe ere

    May o oeMay o be absorbed w esAd ay o Grae ei eas

    by opeig e;May o Grae er ears

    by opeig eo are weoe y Goo are weoe

    y God y God, y GoMay o eis wi e eeioAd proide a Grae o e Word

    rog wi o perforMay o exis wii Clariy

    wi oeMay o proide e Graead e Meaig a e Bss

    May o Grae oe ereay or Gae oe eeay or Gae oe ee

    May o Grae oeay o Gae oe,ay or Gae oe

    May o oe ay o oeay o oe

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    d, d d w Fae,

    d, Faer

    e eaded Efgee d w repede,

    e Oe w reae wi race e Oe w repled

    e Oe w reae, e Oe w e awig

    Y ae wee, Y are wee,Y are wee

    Ma pide e WrdS a ere a e ari

    e eecMa Y prvide e race a e el a el

    Ma Y pvide e raee eig a wl la reer

    d d,

    d, d, e ea Oe

    w eae e Elgee, rd w ecae

    Opree Repledee e rea Oe w igle

    wi e ad d, d aer, a Yr ace e

    Ma Y ive wi e cead cage e g

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    An y Yo po o Grcn l win y God

    brd w

    od wo i op iin ll o cocld O wo lon

    Wo do o cr yng H y Go

    My Yo G co

    My Yo pon i y Fr

    A y Yo riMy Yo wn l i

    nd p l y Fr Go God

    nglr ig ow

    Yo r Gc pro coor

    Yo r Onwo bow oo o bing

    Yo r Rigo OnYo On

    o d QiYo O o y

    o Wido o DiiMy Yo Gc coMy Yo rgr o pg

    nd proid Yor rc o bngMy God y Go

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    Ma ou pro ra o

    On wo bam Fa

    ra a iw l

    Traur own a lgna ba ommo o rbo

    Yo ar wlomYo ar woAm

    LX HIXONu awa ilrn am o ou

    wol o ap m a or pial

    ilr wou ou gui a r ownpronal a

    URU BAWA a a la To iln I o wo

    o a la I am a ran work a a

    n ol o u w o An wor a I ar I rain o o o wor a know o I a or abo Ti wo o a a

    X HIXOTan ou ank ou mu

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    I ERVEW AT

    WBAI Radio Yk 4

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    IOGuru Bawa, we thank you vey much for com-ing again toay

    GURU BWGod etow Hi ompaion upon all

    eing, alway, a H ove ad i Way i toig live together y preig them together

    God poee a ove whih pread ad inter-mige wit al live I the ame way, amonghuman eing there i alo uh a true ove,uch a true, ea eelig Whe that ove iopeating, we it i working, the it i Godwok o ake it ad put it in it appropriate

    place That i the Form of ove. Tha ove, thaDivie ove, ha rought u ogether a oneMay Go etow i ompaion upo

    u, o hat that ove wi alway rng uogethe a eep u togeher May Heprovie u with that ove ad that om-

    pao

    LEX HXONGuru Bawa, there mu ome practal

    path to cotacig the Divne ove, to eomeoe wh lt. The word meditation" i oftnued, athough there are may meaig tothe wod What doyou equet your tudeto do i the om of meditatio? What ae themconceptio tha people hold aoutmeditaio?

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    GR BW is a big tig that you hav askd abot.

    t is ot possib o xpai it i a fw wods

    at w w ak ad giv a disours wa talk abou i ga dtai o ow wwil iv a shor amou a smal poit about i

    Prayig woshippig, ad mdiatio aot odiary wods W you say

    mditatio th is a poit i it whi isvy vry vy subtl vy sharp. First i mustb udstood to whom is th mdiatio b-ig do d t wh yo saymdiatio it mt b udstood what ismditatio? What is it hat is alld

    mditatio?" It has o b udstood whodos h mditaio? d it has to budstood for whom must it b do fowhom is i pfomd? It also as to budrstood wy ad with what fom sodw do this mdiatio?

    Now aythig w do withot kowigtis is ot mditatio It is ot mditatio ti th wod th a s of millios of thigsthat a dsribd as mdiatio. op saythy a mditatio

    I a body th a 15 wolds I this bodyitslf this sio ald th body thr aboh hav ad l Th ar basts thra spiits thr ar ghosts th is hll adt is hav i th body od ad ma arth ad sata ad maya illusio) ar also

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    thr ll f crain is in th bdy l f thmanifstatins f Gd ha bn mad itth bdy f a huma

    This is h arths wrld nd r, withinth chst is th mids wrd h wld fthmind. h s th arh wrd hr, ad hris th mid wrld hr Tw wlds ar hrd all th things f h arth wrld xist in thmnd wrd

    w f hat mind wd cms a lacwhr a a g ists th it cms aflwr wrld. h it is cad Qa thlwr ar Th n wh lis n ha flwrwrld s Gd It is a tast It is a fragranc t is asml. It is that ast tha fragrac that s

    knwn as Gd.W ha t rcgiz t it by which

    that fragranc can b xrincd. Fr thatWisdm is dd h wr th ight fWisdm ar dd rinc th smll

    Th ath f is ndd and thr mus ba ark, a flwgardn whr , Cm-assin and indnss blm In that ark thflwrs f lrac f acflnss fatinc and f indnss ha t blm andthr has t blm th Flw f Truthth

    trth that thr is n thr han Gd adthat thr is thing ual t Gd. It is in alwrthat th fragranc xists fr that frth xrincing f that smll that fragracthr is mditati

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    I you tae in tat agane oe anoe, i you at onto tat agae, eHi Beaty, e Dvine Beauty, wil ineae,

    and i altie wi oe into it H Tate e tate and Hi Fagane i te agane,and i Beauty i all beaty To expeenetat Wido i needed.

    I Wido coe, one ay know ieI oe now iel, e ay ndetad woe I e ow wo e i i ay be ownwo od i I it i nown wo od i, e willow tat e i noig, tat ti one doe notexit I ti one doe no ext, te i i od-Man, Maod. i te poit

    Ti i no a ata I i not a tick o a o-ula Ti i ot a egion It i not oetingtat i witin te onie o a ae ee noagi o i, ad it o a yoga It i not witintoe tig wc ae deibed i te outage o aya krya oam ad aum

    tage o piitual developet] Ti a tobe underdly i i i udetood, will we

    undetad to wo we ae o editate, wo ta editate, and wo aept teeditatio

    Iuu Bawa, doe one eed oe oo

    enie o ana to ge to ti point, o canoe jut begin a ti point o ating?

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    GUR BAWAYs I yu n tastin it ill e ve

    d

    I yu knw yurl tn yu an kwGd And i yu d nt knw yr tnyu annt knw Gd.

    Gd as aid:ee s M eio d ko o

    e ok M o s M o o

    ee,o sus o oush o ve judmed o se om he ded Eve o he eom-ke ems h m he susie, m he he

    Fo hiso hs h move do his h do o move o hs h

    sek d o his h do o sek ohs h e d o hs h do oeo o hese higs/ m hePoeo hve eed hem m he oeho ovdes ood o hem d mhe oeho ummos hem is M souds hhome houh he ids d houh he eesdhouh vous hs d hih m beke b vious ues s eseed souds hve eed hsd hv dsied eveh hvi uiied eveyh hv exmiedeveyh d ke he bes hve eedhe hum bei s Mesu, s M bkd s M so i suh uied d i suh exed h s h hum bei s

    opy a

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    "I is o ha huan being ha I Say 'Iknow hi, and he knows Me I I a o be e-lained all o My ealh has been besowed

    uon hi So he an undesand Me beauseall o My ealh is wihin hi His weah isMe His bank is Me I a his bank and he isMy Bank All o My ae is whin hi, and allo his hings ae wihin Me This is he way Ihave eaed hi in a os exaled way

    I he knows My Beauy My Qualiiesand My Sel hen o hi I besow he ingdoo od My ingdo is o hi My Kingdo iso My son Fo his ealed aion o his e-aled haaeisic he nae 'huan being is

    gien A huan being us undesand whohe isee oy oe o ewee ee wo

    g e ao wo o aa aowo o aa ay eoy oe oea oe e wo o o

    wo o a ee e ea woo ee og a oe o woo

    ee g ae eeg awaee aee e og a eg ay eeaewee ea a ee wee eeae a e ay a e gn o woo wo og e a, ogo og eag e e ao aee a

    , ee g o o ae e owe o

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    knowing o, of analig thng of epaat-ng thing an uging, Thi i ight th i

    wrong thi i goo, an thi i ba. The onot hae the power to aalze, epaate anunerta what a glitter i an what i not aglitter what a moo i what a tar i hat aun i or what a light i The o not hae thatki of irimiator apait The o not

    hae h poin b whih ty an ditapon o haig ertoo Him anknow what He , wha Hi hape i what Hiform i a what He i from The ifferee iWom, or onioune.

    ow there are what are kow a i

    ki of lie In the huma being hereare ikin o li, a ma thee are ao ikin of Wiom, o i tate ofoioune ow in the i fom of ieearth itelf (whih i one kn of life ha fouruarllion a 1i of lfe orm It ite mother of theglitter of maa (illuio t ithe mother for all reatio, for all light afor all il luon It i the mother for all the man-ta of the fieletter oethe aaamIt i the mother o m It the mother o al

    the formula of am m am omeeitfl at] It i the mother o that whih iknown a geaehe fie k Thatearth] aone ha o mh power

    Fre ha 1 orm Whateer o putinto it, whethe it goo o ba it will bur.

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    Watr a ha 1, [f Fr air thr arahr 2,12, an fr th r fr thhavy fr f n n, and tar

    hr ar , ah f th ha ratan pwr rkt But all f th arwiti th Pw f Gd H a with Hi thpwr ntrl all th tin

    Th i ar nt Thy ar nGd A y Gd? A thy Dvi? Thy arti whi hav n ad t b by Gd.Thy av bn ratd by Gd. Ty havb hand by Gd thy ar bin n-tld y Gd, hy wil dtryd adthn y wil b ratd aai by Gd

    Aytn that a dtryd and thrratd i Gd w ntrl th wh i abl t rat th and wh ndtry th G.

    y ut hav tat DtinaiTat i a ar whih alrady it within. Iti ytriu tin and i n aa fit l it ut That i th llin.And that i ditatd upn by ninby Wid thruh yr nithruh yr Wid. u ut ndrtad:

    I a art a t r I a t watr Ia n ar; I a nt thr. Thn y t ayTi i a thin Hwvr ar thi ita t ba dwn. Th wav f tharha nntd t t arth Thi i anin."

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    Gds eti, the Divie ce-ti, s sethig whih hs be thrwpwrd e hs t fly wih Wisd d rry

    tht Divie eti. Fly ssessd, with tht Wsd, ry t d tke it ddge t withi Ths Divie thig is HisThe ther is fr he wrld.

    S, whe y tk b edit, yst rie ths hgh Wm, thrughlysis. y er th csiusess hsee deveped ly fter Wisd hs r-rived, d ly fter the ytic pwer hsdevelped, we tlk bu editti Therest re st thigs whh g i the wrldThis is sehig we ust thi but

    Wht is lled editti is seprtehg Siig the self is editi. I isclled hi is cpletig theities f Gd, fulfiig he uliies dthe Ctetet f Gd S

    es he tiet is ulities It ex-ists where Cpleti d the lfilig f theCpss f Gd exists.

    F tht Truth the editti is the s-fig f the eie self Meditti s s-ifig sel d fuillig the liies f

    Gd We will udersd wht editti isly if we desd it th u Wisd.

    t is like televs teevisi we seevris thgs d the disiite betweeight d wrg. S hs is sethig yu ex-e d he perfr

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    d nt ik and t mn. Andti i nt mtig k ldig u at ltant wipped y t ai. it

    mting wi a e y talking auit Y an g t a mum ad lk at it. ti n mg wi i ad i mui, ad iti nt mtig w i n aig It a-t y ptig yu ad n tgud ad yu ft i t ai w d

    yga lk a na a Tat iwat nak d uma ig En f wd ad fy ik w w wil nt a tai t

    W mut m uman I w mlik a mky a lik a lin, ta wll nt wip W a m Hma Mana t m Din; a t md,and wat m d i Qualit Tat imditati

    LEX HIXO, w i pi mn t

    kw a ti Bf yu am t tiuny, t ildn w t nga t wld at way Tf it mut a

    n esay m i ntat wit y

    URU AWATat pil t in t at t a

    pi tn.In wat i un W a alway

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    drunk war wa ny ar ur-i wa dicvrd and cini applid principl and ud urin gn-

    a crr frm war a criccurrn wa invnd I wa r al imi war i vry difficul a i xraci and bring i uid Simply dinkig wa r ang war and drinking warmwar ay Bu i i difficul ma

    macin ngin and mr adn ak crrn frm war amr and frm r an ngin and rmr wr and rm r variu plac wr can d a vry difficul para a and rig i

    i v difficul. Bu if i i rugn r icrrn.

    w a currn m ud carullyf yu p yr and in i i will giv y ack I mig kill S i a ud vrycarflly Evn if yu ju uc i i mig killyu u d vn knw w i i rr n u cann Only if yu i wi apprpria inrumnwic i waWidm iwill yu vn kw wr i ir S y mu i wi caui I i ay

    drink i a warik a w mu xrac ivin

    rac Mdian ad ing lik a aay ar lik drinking war ll mdiai yga cwlik

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    mdiatos, s saklik mditations, t and tings ik ta, a asy ingsTy ar asy You a drink od wat or

    wam wat, o you an drnk from a stramor from a tap at is asy But akig turrn out of i, making a motor and bringingt urn r, is vry diffiult Using it is alsodiffult; as to b usd arfuly, and x-tratg t mus b do arfully

    In t sam way, xtaig Diviaspt s vy diffult Bigig o us is alsovry diffiu xtrang it ad using it is goingo b diffiult, and you must us it vryarfuy, o otwis it wil kill Ta, tslf,

    w bring about dangrIf w miss our atttontr ar four

    subl sats of attntio, ald, "tm,id, kv, and vd sas ofspiriua onsiousssif tat attion ismissd vn a ltl bit, n it s dangrous twill burn It is a vy vauabl tng, ad notvryo an bng unr onro ad uit at is diffiu Drikig wat is odif-fiul ookng and ang a also no difiultBu xtrating is diffiut

    k tat, diffiuy is o divd up isbody and sparat out God ad Ma fom itTat is wat s diffiult.

    EX XOSo, Guru, ar you poting and making

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    thing eay y chi den, then I that whatwe ae t undetand?

    UU BAWAY ay it very eaily

    Thee i ain The dty the ain i t ainAnd each pant mt attempt t get that wate itelf

    w, if o ak a po o a ak thewate wll cme and tay thee In that watewhich cme fm the heaven thee ae cetain minea and the thng that ae ueful the plant I the wate fall n jt theeath,then the earh wll ake it I it all n ga,

    then the ga wil tae it If t fall n difeentpant, the the pant wil tae t. e nwill abb cetain ppertie, cetanmineal m the wate that cme fm theky And if the wate fall n tee, then thebanche, the leave, and the fuit will daw it

    n and the tee w becme tnge But f allthe wate al n the earth, then the eath willabb it It i like that

    , f thee a ake the lae will tae it; ifthee ae tee, the tee wll take it; if thee iga the ga w tae t; ate it mght

    igated t cetain cp. The duty f the anit ain. he dty each f thee the thng accept it and ake it in Ithey d nt take itwhen i i allig, it nt the faut f the ainhe ain wl have finihed it duty

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    , annt ar a ts tngs I d ntav tat sinss. i t rain wi sdwn, tak it Ta is al tat an b said u

    av ta t, atak f , gw, and ndr-sand and xin at tast I an taabu xrn I is xrn

    I nw abt fit t six san ts itain nw tis But I id ntfin t t an s bng nat g an af ng rs, a x-rining a grat an f ain, an gngvarus las, I fnall isv ts wa t sn atr I ba ws ta s at aknwn

    It s lik lvisin nw On is wrng, nis gt On is wrng, n s rig. arn w. s G, t is t Tut antr ar His Qualiis Tat s rgt vrtings is wrng Hs Lv is rig t v f

    aa usin is wng His lssnss isrigt ssnss is wrngw n s i and in ta tvisin, a f

    His Quaitis a ig. An a uatis f ar a wng H s gt, an vrting s is wrng k ta, I xain His

    Ans an His Qualiis n at visin,an I a abl t distinguis btwn wat isigt an wat s wrng I g n sb-raing lik at, subtang vrtng trtan Hi and His Qalitis, n n H anHis Qualitis, t Tut and Hs Qualits, will

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    em eryting ee wll go wy

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    Guru Bw, ow we e ig irn on u troug your word nd your Com-pio nd Widom I ere yg in dd-tio? I tee y I of Guru Bw, o t im-ply te Qulitie of Compion nd Wdom?

    GURU BWTee i tig ced e e We ge tte me of et. Bu it i poile ttee e oter tig nide it Tere i nopoit in jut cng te ert I i led teert, but it poile tere re oter inginide it

    e me Guu Bw ge tenme for e et lo ge. But w i i-ide i different Te ceee i in beg betoift out te er nd dioer wt i iideI ttere re tig w go odog to foxe,to worms, nd o ing ike tt Tt onyone pect of i. Tere no int tot Tti te ert. nd ee e times wen t necey to ee t n y o, poor gwy did ome ere? Wy dd you come ee,

    poo Guru Bw wy did you ome nto t?ere e ution ke

    L HIONo tere e wo tg e You y

    tee i te et W e ote g t i

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    hr lng wt Guru Bw

    GUR BAWA

    ht is wht w dscrib s Gd -Gd, Gdn

    EX HIXONut t s t s clr i t idn s it is in

    t Ft

    GUR AWAYu t str. Yu t cut it d

    s wt s nsid It is li tlsi; yu cnt shw rythig t Yu h t shw itt t ti

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    my rr l th things tht hrdy tpd ust rst rsd ndt tis tr mssg cn writtn n it.

    LEX HIXONW rythig s rsd, wht is lt?

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    is wht s fr Tht is wht is rcrddth nd tht s h trnl I is th thng ttwll nt b nsud y th th r fir r y

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    t ar, t hng that anno dtroyd byarh, i, a wat, th, un, oon ta,t I i th Dii thng th Dn Quality

    whi i forr whi ha o brt and whihha no dath. Tha wil b pt oto that

    LEX IXOu Bawa, a you abl to litn to tat

    rnal tap

    URU BAWAat i o oting tha an b x

    plaind by pakig abo t. How an I xpain ta o y rotr I you o, thn youyourlf a t

    ow i you a wh t arlatonip btwn th oon, t un adth arth, ow an a b xpaind bypaking E og h ay b n thhan and th oo o th arh, thr ayb a onnon of th ray It i poib

    at i a dft or of ting and I doot wih to pak on i

    LEX HIXOTo ak i a dirnt way uppo if o

    wr to ha that tra thng would onth awar of world and th ltiplityat th a ti

    URU BAWAThat i od work.

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    Tee a cetai cicumtance, yboe Fo te Divne Kingdom, teKingdom of God, tee i only God e i te

    One wo inquie abou it and giveJudgeent on t t fo a kingdo uc aAmeica, tee wil be dieent abaadofo dfeen place ow, wat appen inoe epaate countie w od o teAmeican govenment by tat ambaadoAccodng o te aw e will ay wat ato beaid u e canno ay wat beyond e law

    God not blind e i not blnd, and incee able to ee everyting ince e i lten-ing to and eang eveying, tee i noneedfo u to epo o i And tee i no needfo u ton about ti We can jut oo at tand laug and mile at it

    If man become Human, ten e i veylage. To im al o te 18, univee ae

    vey tny Tey ae male tan a paticle of apaice o a paicle of a ato I e place ifoot in one pace ten in ti enie niveetee wil be no oom toplace i ote foot Ife fiy pace i foot of Widom in iluoy wol, ten te wole wold become

    a tiny pacle o im Tee i no even a placeo put e oe foo of Divine Wdom. Tewold wll abobed in im So wy aie upwat i unde i one oot? t i all unde onetoe

    It i lie tat ou mig now i lae

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    Why diu i? Y I an undan crtainthing

    Thr i a bk tha I wt all a

    m (Th Stngh f Iuin). Thi thwld But in th wd t tll h ruth iagaint th law S an w tay in thi wrldCan w d thawhil w ar in th wrl? Slt th Truth b wih m, and lt th wrld bwith th wrld I I am t tll h Tuh thn i

    mt brught in a nald frm T placth Tuth thr, it mut b dn a a xamplthrugh m thr thing

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    that bk, it ha bn writtn a abut thvari war that hav arady tan pa andabut h war wit China, abu variu thingwhih hav m t pa and abut th -ttin which i m latr Al f hthing alrady hav bn wittn abut ik

    that crtain thing hav bn a t rct-ly. It i nt aid ctly. Whr m dtmt b mntind w might call him a ta-tr ntad f Dtr Thambi, w ay Tra-tr Thambi That i th way t ha t b -ribd thrwi th law wil nt alw A l

    f thing hav bn ibd in aaVm whih i witn in Tamil.

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    appeig, ad we go Ti te way i i ta u a me, i i ot wat we ay. It i lie aobeio We ave o ay it, we y it ad

    go It ome to te mie, te mie ig outte oud at ta time, ad te it goe awayTere i o poit oowig it troug A cerai word came, t wa aid, ad te we go

    Ti i e way . Ti e world, myroter. However muc earig aduertaig tere mg e, it i ot a goodtig oay I" ad mie" urt. am verymal Tere wa a time we I d to do os50to meditatio At tat tme I uedto o toe or o ig ow [ am ie a

    little at, le a lte at ow I caot ta lietat ow certai eplaatio caot give

    HIXOCa te ildre w you i ti tate

    o cocioe? Ca yo cildre are tiWidom ta you ave gaied ater o mucexperiee?

    UU AWA

    e e, it ca aredAre you tapig it igt ow? I te tapei rigt, te wll ecord tewie it wilcome bac a a eco metime i i lie aeco ad come bac ut oterwie, i tetape i rgt, will recod.

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    X HIXOuru Bw, om o u l loni ut

    to liv o n to rr t worl o no

    import wtovr ti poibl oro o ill v to ivolv in tworl?

    R BWFor on wo wi o lw, t i lo

    o work or on wo i not wit o,

    no work H work wt ouo o lot o work H o ino n pot t rit o towo r uppo o b uilt. omtim ri mn mit kill ombo t tk pln o notr p in o rr toin n libi

    will I w ." n, o to oon i irpn n prov tt t m wtr tbb omo

    i tt o o o work I on iwit o, o o wor. l o HiQulii r wok t o xi i t tto I n min, ouwo too m ilion. H to t, tot, to mk on; to o o to tin o o, vrrt i wor I o i o b wit o, n

    vr b will wor i iwork witout p; t i l work I i l ob It not bun, but t i ob

    X HIXOI tr o or ?

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    GURU BAWATday ee i kig ad pttig all

    id f ady ga, ad hey it a pa.

    Bt he pa de w ay f the tateAd the plate a w tig. The pal kw ig. I i te e w eat whexpeiee e tae. Everytig wa kedere ( the pa, e e wh eat ex-peee the tate

    e hat, we e i dig Gd wkwa ate i thee r him? It i ke the pt the pa te The tate i Gd Tema i a et

    X HIXON

    Ca y tel wha Divie miWi i? peak Wisd DivieWidm, ad Divie mi Wid Cay gve me idea f te dferee ade devepmet there?

    GUU BAWADvie i Wdit i a gli

    wd, a Eglih phrae I d dertadEgli very we

    It i Tth. t a virai. Gd Gae

    Divie Gace i a vibrati The pwer tatvibrat i a ig Ad the pwer tat ighti Widm Tat i alled hhAr iTam I aalyze ad dicriiate betweewrg a rigt Havig aalyzed i akewha i gt ad dard what i wg

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    Beue tht Widm tht iueme frm tt ibrtin th Ge, i ied ine Luminu Widm

    L HIOS thi i meditti? There i ntng ee

    t prtie?

    GR BAWA

    Wh y y medttin, i t i withtWidm, withu ue, then whm re yu meditting?

    e md prepre l hig f r inne i imgi ne nke gd r w gd r me pepe dg i gd,

    lin i gd, gd pek i gd, rw i gd, hien i gd, e m igd the un i gd, r e gd rpnre gd, w e gd dkey e gdpig re gd nd re re gd. Like t thee ng u t mie ndeephnt e beme gd whih the mind prepred Wh preped em? Themnd prepred thee iu tig Juwht re hee gd? f e bmb me eywll l htter piee Tey wl dieWhe

    he ln ge e dghd wl g. When tet ge, he t g Whe mnge gete nke g Hw hee thg ptetu?

    Mnd d deire, whi re une t eer experiene Gd he entued hik

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    s s w God my ke Te elenof rrogne nd relgonw es n emidmke someg no god d

    ee Ts s w God s lke O, s rw rws no ros oes so exss ne mnd w mkes no god d ysTs s w God s le Tere s lso snkew exss wn e mnd. o e md ss,O, me s s w God s le nd e

    mes no god Ts s e wy s. We feleer ode of uaarumeole mnfre ese gs W ode), ey mke ese formls nd llem gods. Mn mkes sc ng nd ensks , O, lese ge me someng" e se one wo s mde nd e s eoewos o crry from one lce o noer. es o rer nd do ll sors of gs for o ow rode m w oons oees?

    Lke s cn mfred god rodeyo w w yo need? A erson s o do llsors o gs or He s o rry d es o ng offergs o nd do l sors ofngs or . ow c el m or rode form?

    We e o ndersnd We msndersnd God s w s no seen ymd or dese. If one rodces god e soduced rom e qes exs wnfe rngs o a aarakaa (n mge o god,en e s roded e form ws wn

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    is ind. Te rs and sapes wi are in-side ae tse wc e rings uside And ts te qalities tat are witin tat e brings

    ut And at is wat e edtaes pn BuGd s nt like is.

    can nderstand wat Gd s like nb nderstanding trg Wisd. On tencan He be editaed pn Ten He can e

    editated upn He an opp

    andHe an be praised B as lng as Gd is nknwn and as lng as te sel is nt knwnwat is tere t edtatin? Wat ae we wrsp? Wat is e ing at wsps? Weae t ink abut is

    Wen u sa wrsip" u usunderstand wat i is and ten wsip Onwen u knw wat is an all it wr-sip All te ngs tat are dne bere canntbe caled editatn. Onl ater tat gtes an te eplanatin wsp begen Tat s eleisn It is seng a isswn wen nes Wsd as e Tenu sw it and sa, M rer s s eFater tis is te Mter Tis is te aertis is te Mter tis is te iste tis is te

    Daugter." Tis can swn Ten u saG rning" and u geet and dn i t ds n ake a lng tie aerwadsBu irst we ae t understand w we aeand w ur ater is Tat is wat wrsipand eitan are

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    T i Ti i ra m-n a y rcly , a yu rclycmmuica wi I i m a y

    mac an v T way Tr il i a cci ari i Wim cm yu may yr Far an alk Hm Ta ibran will cm an y ca w wi r nivrwii i Y can wa i in ca yca wa i in av, y can wa i l an y can aan Yu can -i y ca ii, a all i i wllbcm clar Y ca ak a yu ca cmmnca Ta i Tru Ta i vi

    i I i mi y icly F a y n Wim Fr a y Div Qualii Y nFraranc a Tranc a ai I i Qa a ar rib a I Qa mr n , i Wim

    m in n wn yu appy DvinQly nd n e kob o he eeny w ni univ vy,may b n Y can ak wi vy. Ycan mak ar i p an al wi yY ca cmman aa cm, an y can

    ak r Wa ar y in? Y can llSaan a ay Wa i i Wa a yi Y m av any lWa i ma Y ca ak im Yucan ca an a, Wa a yu ikY can call mn an a, Wa ar

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    you?" ou can direcly al o hig They willae form and e you Thi wha we doThi i wha we are ou cn do hi

    Th wha Diine Widom i my brohernd hi i wha he Truh i Thi i he DivinePower nd hi i he wor of he Prince ofod. o he oher ecion. ou have o un upide down and ee i lie ha

    It i diflt, t e hae ot our ifhe oher way aroud Tha i he meaing andha i he way he Truh i. hi i my peronaeperiece

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    uru Bawa would od doome wo inhe form of a ong?

    R BWod can ng from you my broheWho are we o inih inging abou Him?

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    oif od i o be ug upo he i iodwhoha oing i ll of i wor i omehige ha o complee ow ca we doi? If we ryo do i i i wrong here will wrong hereowe mu y, We do no wan od wo.ou mu doou wor ouelf hen all he

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    fal a red from i wll of Yo. lt i tmeti of me."

    We ae o e ea e of ou et

    t sposiiliy ad te we ca e-a Oly te a we ee

    SONG0 God, ay Yo coe

    S he Hea wi ge And povide s wih Gace ha Love ay oze ohS ha Yo Gace ay showe pon s,Yo have o oe pon s 0 God

    0 he ne Godo is able o know all hoghsUnike he lesse godsTe devas and he nisAnd Who povides s wih His Gace0 God Yo s e pn s

    0 y God, 0 y GodMay Yo coe nMy dea eow behenS ha Yo Gce ay esonae

    hin hei heasS ha Yo Gace ay esonaeWihin hei heas

    o is i ha can paise Yo God?Who is i ha can sing Yo paises, God?

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    0 he e ne0 the ne Who i evewhee,0 the Gea ne,

    I i o Who ha to come, 0 GodMa o com o

    God the ha o oe. God, o have o come and reide thee

    d ma bcom god,o hat he Hea w be oozgoh with or GracSo that i w com bowigForh in o wavf or Grace.

    God ma o comTo ado or he iha we hav commitdnown ad nowng0 m Fah, m dear ahe0 m GodMa o om on to ardo s

    0 God h Hat ha o oe0 God the Lgh of h Go E

    Ha o hiTh Gnoi E ha to onAd he igh ha to hine0 God or ov ha to oa the hear0 God, o have o com

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    v hv d w f v hv d

    h v f h hWhh r h m0 Gd 0 Gd wh d wh rd h f f M m p S h CmpW pd vwhr

    0 d Wh x vwhrWh w v h d vr ph

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    Are performed in Your Name,f Your Qualities if Your ForbearanceAnd if Your tience do not come

    Is it not tre that Your GraceDes not ever ome?

    Gd, may You come perfectlyUpon the straight pathTo on s ot.May You ome in the speehn the tloughtn the hearingIn the smelingAnd in the meaning

    In all of these thingsMay You come and be with usO God

    God, my Protectorat is needed within the eye isYour VsionWe need the Grace by whih we ee nothingOther than You

    n our eas we must hear Your soundsAll other sounds mst be cosed outAnd we must heare Sund of Your GraceAnd cease to hearhe sounds of ignorance

    my God my God,Within the nose we need Your ragrance

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    thn the nose we need Your raranee have to eperence Your raranceYou Quate

    nd obey You, and be obedent to You,And folow You untl we reach YouAnd embrace You

    od may You resde wthn our tonues that our speech,ur words,And our sounds are Yours, that we may speak Your wordsAmonst our frends and relatvesAnd ncrease Your race thereby

    my od You have to come amnt usAnd resde wthn our tonues

    A sdom wthn wsdomA Love wthn ove,As the onue wthn the tonue

    A the ht wthn the lht,As oman,May you protect us,ur dear, dear odur dear dear od,und of ompasson,

    he taton o rust, rend,ur rnal LordMay You race us today

    od t s Your responsbltyTo ome amonst us

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    Gd Ldh c h va abb/ Aam

    i pb m am Am m w bhAm m w bAd pc hm a WdmW m m hm

    W maa mAd Lv ad CmpaiW pad am m.

    Am Da cm ad pc W

    Am Ama Rabbi Aam.

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    ev w W b w ?

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    r f r Awr w s b wr

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    w r ss w rs, m rs b b b cr u s r u wmr m m mr

    s fs m v Wm r r; rf m u

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    IN RVI W AT

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    W NOKaaa W ff i ra wi ui ad a

    paa awa f ur wrdia ad ur. W ar a u wad i, ad a aa w u ar wa a b divdw w wi i. ar i pa f w, par f wr W

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    IT BERI awa dffu r rdu

    uu Bawa ' diiu' ipb a

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    i Gr Bw i w r ri rwi I

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    u w wr bn uris, sn fr uru i A nws s ys ' f

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    y ri r W p r r il y l i w r y l

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    deriptons o tose tigs Tat is te extentof itelligece ve a snae as tat feelng,tat aareness, ad that ielect e money

    also as the same tige ed reslt of ineigece is

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    Wealth of God is i Man and all of te Wealtof Ma s i God. Te Cosciousess iccan dersd is is caled "Wiom ThatConsiousess elogs o Ma Tat Wisdomests oly i Ma. Woever is edoed ittha igt is cled "Ma Tat is a eyod

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    the Eye of Dvine Consousness, God's ightFasig or he welth yea by sing the

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    ere. i and i Sain are ere. ane abriel iae rael lrafeel,ni r Na and al he anel ae here. The

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    hin f S aaihna r Sri aana a-harh, vr uh i a ag f h hightdr and han havn fr hi tain a-idnt r dgn tha hw brght hi an nnwn wandrng bing in frt f ln t thi it thi unr andnw thi rad tatin tda I' i a-abl hat a av a han har hi

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