The Senior Pastors Dilemma

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3 Preface : A painful picture8 Chapter 1 : The outsourcing of disciple-making

10 Chapter 2 : Its turned around backwards13 Chapter 3 : What Jesus did16 Chapter 4 : They do what you do18 Chapter 5 : The end of isolation20 Chapter 6 : You have what it takes

The Senior PaSTorS DilemmaZone or man-To-man?by Regi Campbell

TaBle oF ConTenTS


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A pAinful picture

Like most committed Christians (and all seriousJews), going to the Holy Land was on my bucketlist until last November when I fnally went.

Among the hundred or so olks on the trip was a young guywhod become a Senior Pastor just a ew months back. Westarted talking as we traveled around. Hed heard about thementoring I was doing and started asking me questionsgood questions. I shared as much as he would listen toand he said hed like to have me come tell his church stawhat I had told him. People say things like that all thetime. Yeah, lets get together sometime and Id love tohear more about that. Nice ways to exit a conversationon a positive note without hurting someones eelings.

But he ollowed up a ter the trip andinvited me to actually come do it.

PREFEACE a PainFul PiCTure

prefAceThe church he was called to hadover 2000 members and a nice seto buildings. I had actually attendedthe church years ago and alwaysthought it was pretty strong. When Iarrived, I was ushered into a meetingroom or lunch and to share theRadical Mentoring model with the

sta in their Monday meeting.

A ter being introduced and makinga ew introductory comments,I asked them to take out pen &paper and write down the nameo a person they were personallyinvesting in or spiritual purposes.

Not a single person couldwrite down a name.

I thought Maybe they didntunderstand the question.So I repeated mysel .

Nothing.


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CHAPTER 1 The ouTsouRCing of disCiple-making

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be responsible or it. Whateverhappens in that zone is up to you.I someone comes into your zone,youre on him. But when he leavesyour zone, you can relax. Youreresponsible or helping out with thezone(s) adjacent to yours i theres aproblem. But your frst and oremost

responsibility is to play your zone.

BaCk To our STaFF meeTing

The music guy.his zone is the choirand the musicians. Hes selectingthe music, ministering to the choir,leading rehearsals and bringing iton Sunday morning. I someone in thechoir has a crisis, or i a non-believerslipped in, the music guy is all over it.Hell connect individually because heloves Jesus and hes all in or Him.But his job is music. The music zone.

The youth pastorso obvious to pickout with the hip clothes and haircut. Hiszone is the high school group. Hes got

In that uncom ortablemoment, it hit me.

Theyre playing zone.

ToDayS ChurCh DemanDS Zone

These committed church sta peoplehave their unique roles their zones.They work hard mind you.thisisnt about e ort. Theyre preparedwhen Sunday comes. They put tonso e ort into their programming.And they pray or their ministries.

But theyve been trained,

en-cultured, led, paid andrewarded or playing zone.

Let me back up or thenon-sports people.

Zone means theres an area o thefeld or court thats your assignment.Your job is to go to that zone and
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STaFF leaDerShiP Meetingsto lead, and theressta development.

lay leaDerShiP The deacons,elders, vestrywhatever its calledin your church. Meetings arentoptional and they shouldnt be.

ouTSiDe aSSoCiaTion Theres yourdenomination, association, region,counselwhatever hierarchyyou may be under. Meetings,con erences, areas o in uence.

CommuniTy Most pastorstake some role in thecommunity they serve. Boards,committees and such.

All these are zones. Placeswhere you are one-to-many,not one-on-one. Dont getme wrongtheyre important.Necessary. But theyre zone.

to have cool music, a hip talk, videosthe whole she-bang to get more andmore kids to show up. He wants tocreate buzz so more kids will come andhear the Gospel. His motive is pureas pure as anyones. But his methodis to create environments. Zone.

Childrens ministrysame thing. Senioradults. Same. Middle school. Same.Business administration, Education,Middle schoolsame. Zone.

And you Senior Pastor.Zone is whatyouve been taught to play. No matterwhat your vision might be, Christianculture, especially in the U. S. o A,dictates you play zone. How so?

The SunDay Sermon Its thecenterpiece o todays church.Its non-negotiable. Its got to begood. Its what everyone looksorward to. What everyone eedson. Its your bread and butter.


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going ouT on a limB

Im going out on a limb to o er youa perspectivea new perspective. Imnot in your circumstances. Never havebeen. But through my riendshipswith Andy Stanley, Bryant Wright, JoeWittwer, Paul Jiminez and other Senior

Pastors, Ive learned a ew things.

Zone without man to man comesapart. The hearts o ministers becomecalloused. The spiritual work theyrecalled to starts to eel secular. Theman-to-man eels like spiritualambulance work, taking it out o youwithout reflling. You need to see ruitrom your labors.we all do. You needto see li e changeto see the powero God released in a trans ormationalway in A life. In A family! Seeing thehand o God reach into an individualsli e through you is uel. Fuel that willpropel you to lead others in His work.Fuel that will propel you to handle your

zones or yearsand with excellence.

inTroDuCing.man To man!

There IS another way to play. Man toman. When you get your assignment,that man is your responsibility. Youtrack him. Sometimes youre right upon himtouching him. eeling his everymovement, anticipating his next move.

Sometimes you lay back a little andgive him room. You never take your eyeo him. Hes your man until the play isover or theres a change o possession.

You get a good bit o man to manwork. But its crisis based. The sickand dying, the marrying, the fghting(which is the marrying.just a littlelater on), and the angry. When itsbroke, they call you. You go man-to-man and do what you can. Butrarely are these the people whocan lead and grow your church.


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but disciple-makers. It will surprise youhow simple this challenge is to explainand to do. You just have to wantto bad enough to trust the processand the God-man who created it.

May I have your attention orabout 13 more pages?

In this short ebook, Ill bring a reshperspective on the next-generationchurch and the role o the new SeniorPastor. Im going to encourage andequip you to lead your church intoplaying both zone AND man-to-man. Its both/and, not either/or.

Relax. Im not talking about anotherchurch program. Im talking abouta way o li e. A way o li e Jesusmodeled and told us to emulate.

And know Im not just another guytelling you how to do your job. Iwant or you what Jesus wants.avibrant church thats a light on ahill in the place youve been called.This isnt about changing everythingin your church. Not my place. Notmy job. Above my pay grade.

What I will do is o er a resh butchallenging perspective on leadingyour church to not just make disciples,


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the outsourcingof disciple-mAkingIm a student o Jesus, not o church history.

But what Ive concluded is we lay people outsourceddisciple-making to you church guys a long, long time ago.

In Jesus day and in the frst century church, everyone wasin the game. The line between clergy and laypeople wasblurry i there at all. The Apostles? Yeah, they were di erent.

They had been with Jesus. They were there at Pentecost.They had a special job.to tell the world what they sawwith their own eyes. And they were killed or doing it.

James was executed by King Herod in A.D. 44Philip was crucifed in A.D. 54Matthew was executed in A.D. 60James (Jesus brother) was stoned to death in A.D. 66

Andrew was crucifed onan X shaped crossPeter was crucifed upsidedown on a crossPaul was beheaded in A.D. 66

These guys werent done away with

or teaching what Jesus taught. Theywere killed or testi ying or tellingpeople that Jesus, a human being.came back rom the dead. Thathappening set Jesus apart rom anyand all religious fgures past, presentand uture. Jesus divinity was essentiali Jesus teachings are going to matterto the world or the rest o time.

Early on, we see the church as a atorganization with little hierarchy,ew people who werent everydaydoers o the Word. That was thepower o the early churchso manypeople were committed, involved,evangelists, servants.disciplemakers.

CHAPTER 1 The ouTSourCing oF DiSCiPle-making

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CHAPTER 1 The ouTSourCing oF DiSCiPle-making

Years go by. Church leaders take on moreand more, letting lay people o the hookor anything other than volunteer service,mostly on Sunday morning. Lay peoplecompartmentalize their aith, thinkingSunday is the only day being a Christ-ollower matters. Church leaders strive.giving it all theyve got. But participation

without involvement breeds cynicism.And little by little lay people think Well,let them do it. I give money to the church.They get paid and a ter all, what else dothey have to do between Sundays?

And thus the disconnect.

PreSSing The reSeT BuTTon.

Pastors have to reboot. Press thereset button. Re rame disciple-makingand get lay people involved again.

The why is clear. Thehow is a challenge.

But youre up to it. Keep reading.

BuT Somewhere along The line..

Things changed.

I dont know whose ault it was.

Because certain people where chosen,most o the people who were called(which is all o us) laid down andwent to sleep. Let the pastor do it.Let the church do it. They havespecial gi ts. Theyve been trained.Theyve been to seminary.

Im a plumber, or school teacher, orbusiness guy. What do I know?

The other sidethe clergywelcomed it. It made their callingthat much more important. A ter allthey WERE chosen. They were setapart or vocational ministry.So they jumped in with both eetto do the work o the Gospel.


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chApter 2its turned AroundbAckwArds

Be ore Martin Luther and since Martin Luther, pastors havepreached and taught Gods Word with the goal o makingdisciples. That preaching, along with millions o lay peopleliving and sharing their aith created something like 2 billionpro essing Christians. O course God through His HolySpirit really did it, just so you know Im not con used.

Anyhow, weve landed here in 2012 with a huge problem.

We have a nation (maybe a world) where pastors areless and less impact ul in their sermons and weremaking ewer disciple-makers. Some people come tochurch regularly, some sporadically. Li e change seemsto come very slowly i at all. Radical trans ormationsare rare. And the urther you get rom the sta , the lessenthusiastic people seem about the work o the Gospel.

I think part o it, and I mean abig part o it stems rom the waypastors have approached preaching

AND disciple-making. Here I go.

whiCh ComeS FirST?

The starting point is always GodsWord, as well it must be. But the when and how Gods Word is explained andapplied to peoples lives has gottenswitched around and is alling allow.

Sermons start with a Scripture andthe pastor spends the next minutesexplaining what that Scripture means,the principals God intends to reveal,and fnally, how those principles canbe applied to peoples everyday li esituations. It might ow like this..

CHAPTER 2 iTS TurneD arounD BaCkwarDS

TruTh liFe


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Traditionally, weve taken theScriptures, developed curriculum,created classes, sat people in rowsand taught them how to be discipleso Jesus. Ive been through a buncho those classes and Im sure I learnedsomething. But the lack in ormationisnt our problem. Weve got millions

o learn-ed Christians who live likeeveryone else in our culture, divorce atthe same rate as our culture, and never

share their aith or make more disciples.

JeSuS DiD The oPPoSiTe.

He walked through li e with his

disciples.not preaching at them.He used the things o everyday li eto teach them about the Father andabout the Faith. Food, owers, taxes,houses, riches, o erings, sickness,death, government authorityHe usedreal li e things and situations to unpackthe Scriptures and work the Truth oGod into His disciples. He started with

The communicators (e.g. preachers)in the ast-growing churchesdo it backward. But the lack oin ormation isnt our problem.

They start with the li e situationspeople ace. They sur ace issues andthe eelings we experience in li e.

Then, and only then do they bringtruth rom Gods Word to the specifcsituation, explaining the answer andhow to live it. People dont buysolutions to problems they dont have.When you start with the problemthe elt need and help peopleconnect the answer in a personalway, theyre more open to a solution.Theres more openness to the GoodNews when people see the specifcrelevance to their lives and situations.

Same thing applies to howdisciple-makers get made.


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Absolutely. Is this messier and lesspredictable than sitting olks in rowsand teaching rom a curriculum? Yes itis. Is it more e ective? Unquestionably.

Its what Jesus did. How can we miss?

the situationwhat they saw, heard,elt, smelled, and tasted. And then Hebrought God in a relevant way. It wastrans ormational, not just in ormational.

He started with li e and usedthe real world pain and pleasureo li e to engra t the Truth.

We make disciple-makers by living

li e in close proximity or a period otime, introducing the Truth o God alittle at a time at just the right time. Dowe have an agenda? Absolutely. Theyhave to know and agree in advance. Isthere a list o things we want them tograsp? Yessiree. Do they know theyreexpected to pass it on to othersto door others what were doing or them?

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whAt Jesus did

When Jesus started His public ministry, the church wasnt

peripheral to Jewish cultureit was central. Religious schoolsWERE the public schools. Their commandments were thelaws people were governed by, sans those imposed by theRomans. The roles and responsibilities were set by Leviticallaw. A Senior Pastor would have known exactly what to do.

But Jesus saw that years and years o religious practicehad led to playing zone. To rote repetition o themost sacred worship. And to a lot o hard hearts.

With His insight and power, Jesus could have ocused onre orming the church. He could have staged a revival. (andyou could argue He did a little o that with His teachings inthe Temple.) He could have launched a re-education programor the Pharisees and Sadducees. He could have even createdHis own competing Temple down the road, taking some o

the best and brightest Jews with Himto go do it right or the glory o God.

But instead o creating all that con ict,instead o trying to change all thoseminds, instead o orcing closed-minded people out o their zones, Hechose a di erent strategy. A unique

strategy. And it worked big time.

Jesus just went out and quietlyselected a small number o menand invested in them as a group.He cast a big vision and requiredtotal commitment. He created acommunity o which He was apart. He took them deep into theScriptures AND to the issues o li eas they experienced them together.

DonT miSS ThiS.

1. He didnt take anyone awayrom the Temple. He and His

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o God to li e in these 12 guys livesby showing them God and teachingthem Truth as they did li e.together.

Instead o trying to change culture,He created new culture. He created aculture o humility, servant leadership,compassion, generosity, acceptance,

learning, community, devotion,evangelism, prayer.and above all, love!

leTS look

at what Scripture tells usabout what Jesus did.

1. Jesus was on purpose. He said I

have come so they might have li eand have it to the ull. John 10:10b.He picked disciples and pouredinto them so they and all those whowould come a ter them could haveli e and have it abundantly. Weknow that kind o li e can only belived as a disciple o Jesus.sold out,all in, disciple AND disciple maker.

guys still participated. It wasboth/and, not either/or.

2. He didnt change anything at church. Not directly orimmediately. But over time, whatHe did changed everything.

3. He didnt ask anything o anyone.Didnt add to anyones workload inthe Temple. He just did His thingwith these guys and the Kingdom oGod burst onto the scene as a result.

Rabbis in Jesus day selected theirdisciples and taught them intenselyevery day. They were Temple-centric and ocused on the Torah.More and more Torah. Less andless people and li e. Dos anddonts. Ceremony and sacrifce.

Rabbi Jesus wasnt a revolutionary. Heselected His disciples and taught themintensely too. But He brought the truth


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He graduated them and sentthem out. (Matthew 28:19-20).

5. Jesus had a multiplication agenda.When He said Follow me, Hefnished with and Ill make youfshers o men. He didnt say Illmake you a good disciple. He said

Ill make you a disciple-maker. Bigdi erence in the ask. And a bigdi erence in the result downstream.Make disciples and you add to thechurch. Make disciple-makers andyou multiply the church. 12 guys +2000 years = 2 billion believers.

6. Jesus prayed. He prayed with Hisguys. He prayed or His guys. Hetaught His guys to pray. Prayer was acornerstone o all He did with them.

7. Jesus brought the Scriptures toli e or His guys. He explained themalong the way. He didnt teach themGenesis to whatever. He showed

2. Jesus was sel ess. What He didwith and or the disciples was over and above what was required oHim in the Temple. He sacrifcedor it. He had no house. He putdisciple-making ahead o Hisextended amily. He said it wasmore important than burying a

dead dad, plowing the felds oreven saying goodbye to amily.

3. Jesus care ully selected a ewmen. We dont know His criteria,but we do know He prayed longand hard about whom He wouldpick. There were at least 72 disciplessent out at one point (Luke 10:1).But only 12 were His guys.

4. Jesus picked them only or aseason. We dont know why Hewaited until He was three anda hal years rom His crucifxionbe ore He engaged them. Wedo know there was a point when


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them what the Father showed Him.Little by little, using the things andevents o li e to make it stick.

8. Jesus was committed to thegroup. And He required a high levelo commitment rom them. Theyshowed up or Him. They showed

up or each other. They showed upor the Father whom they were allworking or. A ter He graduatedthem, they kept working togetherto build the Kingdom o God. Theybecame the pillars o the church. Notthe old church. Not the church orote, rules and ritual. But the churcho Jesus Christ. The church o love,grace, compassion and mercy.

These men became the pillars o thekind o church you want to lead. Thekind o church you can start withinyour church. One that can trans ormyour church rom the inside out.

I believe it starts with you.


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CHAPTER 4 They Do whaT you Do

they do whAt you do

We learned this in parenting a long time ago. You can talkto your kids til youre blue in the ace. They may or maynot do what you say. But its a lot more likely theyll dowhat you say i they see you do it frst. Its human nature. When the leader in an organization does something,it encourages the ollowers to do it too. The turnouto volunteers rom companies who build houses orHabitat or Humanity goes through the roo when

the executives show up. Their participation validatesthe deal and gives ollowers permission.

Same is true in church world.

Should a Senior Pastor start raising his hands high over hishead during worship, others will start raising their hands.When a Senior Pastor goes on a mission trip, the number opeople who sign up or mission trips goes up. When a Senior

Pastor comes to the Monday morningprayer group, more people come.

They do what you do.

So when a Senior Pastor startsmentoring a group o men, he doestwo things at the same time.

1. He personally equips a small groupo men to go and do the samehe makes more disciple-makers.Over time, his group becomes thenucleus o a tribe o men who areall in or Christ and or His church.

2. He models disciple-making oreveryone else in his church.

His actions speak louder than thewords o a hundred sermons. Heputs eet on his prayers. He givesothers permission. He shows thatdisciple-making is important. Most


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CHAPTER 4 They Do whaT you Do

glory by blazing a trail and encouragingthem to ollow you down it.

What better trail than one o becomingan intentional disciple-maker?

importantly, he shows hes willing togo man to man, not just zone.

Dont underestimate the power youwield here, Senior Pastor! Grantedit may not be right. People maybe practicing a orm o preacherworship when they do what you do.

People want to make the invisible,intangible God into something/someone whos visible and tangible.To some degree, like it or not, youre it.You didnt ask or itin act you dontwant it. But its there and its goingto be there. Unavoidable in this li e.Unavoidable until heaven when we allsee the glory o the One True God!

But or now, you have this in uencebecause youre Gods man in yourchurch.the man who, to the peoplein your church, most closely resemblesGod. You can preach against this everyweek. Or.you can use it or Gods


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chApter 5the end of isolAtion

You have one o the loneliest jobs in the world. Youre

constantly drowning in a sea o people. Yet youre mosto ten oating alone in that ocean o humanity.

The people God sends into your li e are usually needy.They need you to marry them. They need you to burytheir relatives and make everyone eel better about theirpassing. People come to you when theyre lost, hurt,sick, angry, broke, depressed or all o the above.

Wouldnt it be awesome to connect withsome healthy people or a change?

Wouldnt it be amazing to connect with men just like you? Men who have wives, kids, jobs,aging parents, and noisy neighbors?

Wouldnt it be reeing to engage withsome guys without the wi e actor?You love your wi e like Christ lovedthe church. Not questioning that. Butcome ondont you yearn or a placewhere you can be a guy, with otherguys. A place where you dont haveto think through the lens o what shes

thinking or eeling? Wouldnt it bere reshing to have a place where youcould be you ? Can you remember you ?

Wouldnt it be reeing to be able totake o the robe o being a pastorand get relationally naked with care ullychosen guys who ace the same stuyou ace? Im not ignorant o theline you dont think you can cross insharing your personal stu with otherguys in your church. But Im also notignorant o how badly we men needto connect in an authentic, genuine,transparent and vulnerable way withother guysguys who are trustworthy

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in your church. Ill even say itso.k. to hold a ew things back.

But think how it would eel to haveguys who eel you. Who know youknow your heart. Guys who understandyou and accept you just as you are.

Ive spent the last 30 years inministry. Ive been sold out toJesus, serving multiple churchesand outside ministries. Ive ormallymentored 96 men and a lot morethan that in ormally. Ive beenintentional. Ive helped over a dozenpeople over the line o aith.

But what Ive learned in the last littlewhile is that intentionality over timeleads to isolation. When youre outthere in your zone, youre isolated. Iyou dont slow down and let othersin, youre dangerously alone. You haveno accountability. God wants to loveyou through riends, but you dont

and who covenant to confdentialitywith everyone else in the group.

Senior Pastors think they can only bereal with other pastors. But then whenyou get together, no ones willing totalk about real stu . To get relationallynaked or ear o what their colleagues

will think, or worse, what theyll say toothers. The masks go on. The soulsstay separated, vulnerable or theenemy to tell his lies and tear downwhat God has built in His chosen sons.

So you end up alone. Lonely.Disconnected. Wearing a mask.Dying or male riends whounderstand. Friends who wonttry to fx you. But wholl just loveyou and be there or you.

I know this is scary. I know theressome places you just wont go inbeing open with guys who serve


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make time or them. You dont allowthem to know youto know whatsgoing on in your head or your heart.

Well I have a counselor. Counselorsriendship stops when they nolonger get paid. You need riendswho will eel you, not fx you. And

that takes confdentiality. Timetogether. Road miles being real.Transparent and vulnerable.

Will you risk it? Will you?


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CHAPTER 6 you have whaT iT TakeS

chApter 6 you hAve whAtit tAkes

Senior Pastors ace a lot o ears when they thinkabout becoming a disciple-maker and mentor.

I know the Scriptures, but Im not a counselor or acoach. And Im not looking or more kids to raise.

I cant get that involved in just a ew peopleslives. I must serve the whole church!

I cant add anything else to my calendar or Ill be divorced.

What will I say? What will we talk about? Im good on theplat orm, but around a kitchen table or three hours?

Is this truly wise or me to undertake, in view othe job I have and the responsibility I carry?

Let me take these one at a time.And know Im not trying to sellyou on anything. Its up to you andthe Lord to decide i leading yourchurch into making disciple-makersis what God wants you to do.

PoinT: I know the Scriptures, but Imnot a counselor or a coach. And Imnot looking or more kids to raise.

CounTerPoinT: Mentoring a group oyoung men rom your church isntgroup counseling or coaching. Itsreading books and discussing them.Its memorizing a Scripture or twoeach month. Its praying or eachother. It s trying new, creative waysto relate to your wi e and kids. Itsdeveloping some authentic riendshipswith real guys who really love Jesus.And remember, these are guysyou will hand pick. Dont pick menwho have big problems or whore


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because youre personally developingkey leaders or your church. Youremodeling the very thing Jesus didwhen He walked on the earth. Yoursta will get uber-interested in makingdisciple-makers when they see youdo itwhen they start hearing storieso li e-change ow rom you and your

group. A Senior Pastor o a 7000member church in my area has ledgroups like this or 45 years whilepreaching each week and leading asta through consistent growth. Hetold me hed have a hard time decidingbetween the pulpit and these disciple-making groups i he was orced tochoose. And dont overlook the value

o reading some care ully selectedbooks, doing relational assignmentswith your wi e, and connecting incommunity with guys who love youand love Jesus big time. Pick thecream o the cropguys who canlead. Guys who can join your team.Carry your church to the next level.


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I know this strikes you as o -beat.

Youve been trained to preach. Toshepherd. To minister. To lead.

This seems like its beneath your pay grade.

This seems like something or yourdiscipleship pastor to consider.

I get all that.

But I want you to do it. One time.One group. One season. Thats it.

I want you to try it. To risk it. Tosample it or your church.

I double-dog dare you to pull togethera group to mentor into disciple-makers.

I it doesnt blow your hair back, Ill beshocked. Because day a ter day, weekin, week out, I continue to hear howGod is showing up when experiencedChrist- ollowers empty their cup intothe cups o younger men. Lives arebeing changed. Marriages are beingsaved. Leaders are being prepared.Churches are being strengthened.

I double-dog dare you togo man to man.

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