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kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkdulykswornkbykthekCler ,kwaskexaminedkandktestifiedkas

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kkkkkkkkkk11kkkthekladieskandkgentlemenkofkthekjurykrightkinkfrontkofkyou.

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kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkAkkkkGoodkmorning,kMr.kLenamon.

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kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkFine,kthan kyou.kkHowkarekyou?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukintroducekyourselfktokthekjury?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkamkGeraldkGluc .kkIkamkaklicensedkmarriagekand

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkfamilyktherapist.kkI'mkboardkcertifiedkandkseniorkfellow

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kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukexplainkhowkyoukbecamekinvolvedkwithkQEEG

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kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkthekoffice,kit'skakgoodkmodality,khelpkpeoplekrelax.kkIt's

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkgoodkforkakvarietykofkthings.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkHeksaid,k"Whykdon'tkyoukgokgetktrained?"

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkSo,kIksaid,k"O ay,"kandkthatkbegankmyktrainingkinkthat.

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kkkkkkkkkk13kkkselectionktokhavekmekgokgetktrained,kandkIkspentkmyktenkdays

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkinkGeorgiakinkAtlantakdoingkthat.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAndkpriorktokthat,kIkspentkakwee kbeingktrainedkby

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkBiologickSystemskinkthekusekofkthekearlykQEEGkmachinekthat

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkwekhadkinkBrowardkCounty.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukindicatedkthatkyoukarekinkprivatekpractice.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkCankyoukexplainktokthekjurykwhatkyoukdokinkprivatekpractice,

kkkkkkkkkk20kkksir?

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kkkkkkkkkk22kkktimektoktime,kIkseekprimarilykchildrenkandkadolescentskwho

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkneedkhelpkchangingktheirkbrains.

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAndkwekdokthatkthroughkakprocedurekcalled

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkneurofeedbac ,kwherektheykarektrainedktokreorganizektheir


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kkkkkkkkkk15kkkbrainwavektraining,kneurofeedbac ktraining.

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kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkk(Omission).

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkDoctor,kIkwantktokspendksomeksignificantktime

kkkkkkkkkk21kkktal ingkaboutkyourkexperience,kyourktraining,kyour

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kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyouktellkmekwhenkyoukfirstkbecamekinvolved,

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkwhenkyoukfirstktrainedkinkthatkparticularkarea?kkWherekthat

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwaskandkhowkyoukwerektrained?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekfirstktimekIkwaskexposedktokitkwaskin

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkMundelein,kIllinois,kwithkBiologickSystems,kthekpreviousk--

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkonekofkthekearlierkQuantitativekEEGs.

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kkkkkkkkkk11kkkElectroencephalogram,kwhichkiskaktracingkofkthekelectrical

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkactivitykofkthekbrainkfromkthekscalp,kandkthenkitkconverts

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kkkkkkkkkk17kkktraining?

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kkkkkkkkkk19kkkthekdate?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkCOURT:kkSure.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkInk1990.kkInkMundelein,kIllinois.


kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkexactlykwaskthekplacekthatkyoukwentkto?

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskaktrainingkcenter,kankeducationkcenterkthat

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkwaskrunkbykBiologickSystemsktoktrainkpeoplektokusektheir


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kkkkkkkkkkk4kkktrainedkon?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkdon'tkrememberkthek--kit'sksoklongkago.kkIt'sk20

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkyearskago.kkIkdon'tkrememberktheknamekofktheksoftware,kjust

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkktheknamekofkthek--kitkwaskcalledkBiologickSystems.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatktypekofksoftwarekwaskit?kkWhatkwaskthe

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkmachinekthatkyoukwerekbeingktrainedkon?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskBiologickSystemskdigitalkEEGkmachine.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukreceivedkthekfirstktrainingkonkthekdigitalkEEG

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkmachine?

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAkkkkThat'skcorrect.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowklongkwaskthatktrainingkfor?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskforkakwee .

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkApproximatelykhowkmanykhourskwerekyouktrainedkon

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthekdigitalkEEGkmachine?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekwerekatkitkaboutkeightkorkninekhourskakday.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokforkakwee kthatkwouldkbekinkexcesskofk40khours

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkjustkonkthekdigitalkEEGkmachine?

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkCorrect.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukexplainkthatkparticularktrainingkandkwe're

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkgoingktokta ekthiskstepkbykstepkbykstepkbecausekthiskis

kkkkkkkkkk24kkknecessarykaskakmatterkofkcoursekthatkwekhavektokdo,ko ay,

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkDoctor?


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkFine.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkWekarekgoingktoktal kaboutkthektrainingkfirstkon

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkthekdigitalkEEGkthatkyoukwentktokduringkthisk40-hourkcourse.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkWhatkexactktrainingkdidkyoukreceivekonkthat?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kitkwask20kyearskago,ksokmyk--

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkTokthekbestkofkyourkrecollection.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekcoveredkwhat'skcalledkFFTkorkFastkFourier

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkTransform,kwhichkiskthekmathematicalktransformationkthat's

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkhowktheksignalkgetsktransformedkintokthekcomputer.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkWekcoveredkbasickthingskli ekmeasurements,kwhatkis

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkmeasuredkinkakdigitalkEEG.kkWhatkiskabsolutekpower,kwhatkis

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkrelevantkpower.kkWekdidn'tkhaveksomekofkthekmetricskwekhave

kkkkkkkkkk13kkktoday.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkWekloo edkatkthekentirekspectrumkofkEEG,khowktokgraph

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkit.kkHowktokcollectkit.kkProperkwaysktokcollectkit.kkLoo ing

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkatkartifact.kkArtifactkiskanythingkthatkisknotkreallykEEG.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkWekdidkaklotkofknutskandkbolts,kyouk now,k indskof

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkequipmentktokuse,kthek indkofkpaste,kthekwayskinkwhichkto

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkma ekthekpatientkrelaxktokminimizekartifact.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'sktal kaboutkthekdigitalkEEG.kkFromkthat

kkkkkkkkkk21kkktrainingkthatkyoukreceived,kthiskwaskthekfirstktimekthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkarekactuallykgettingkformalktrainingkinkusingkthekdigital

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkEEG?

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskthekfirstktimekthatkIkreceivedkformal

kkkkkkkkkk25kkktraining.kkInkfact,kitkwaskthekfirstktimekIkwaskawarekthat


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkanykphysiciankinkBrowardkCountykwaskgettingkformally

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkktrained.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkDuringkthisk40-hourkperiodkyoukwerekbeingktrained,

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkcankyoukdescribektokthekjurorskwhatkyouklearnedkaboutkusing

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkakdigitalkEEG,khowkyoukwerektrained,kwhatkitkdidkandkwhat

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwaskthekpurposekofkit?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,ktheykspentkaklotkofktimekexplainingkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkadvantageskofkdigitalkEEGkoverkwhatkwekcallkanalogkEEG.kkCan

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkIkexplainkthekdifference?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkSure.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkO ay.kkInkankanalogkEEG,kwhichkhadkbeenkused,kmay

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkstillkbekused,kbutknotkverykoften,kthekpatientkiskhoo edkup,

kkkkkkkkkk13kkktherekarekusuallyk19kwireskonkthekheadkandkankelectrical

kkkkkkkkkk14kkksignalkiskconvertedktokankimpulsekthatkmoveskankarmkonka

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkpiecekofkpaper.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkAndksokthatkmovementkofkthatkarmkgiveskyoukakwave

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkbecausekthere'skakpenkonkthekend,kandkinkorderktokma eksure

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthatkthekwavekthatkthekreaderkiskseeingkaskclosely

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkrepresentskthekactualkwavekthat'skbeingkpic edkupkatkthe

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkscalp,kthekpaperkwaskespeciallykpreparedktokminimize

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkfriction.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkThekin kitselfkhadkwaxkinkitksokitkcouldkslidekacross

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkthekpaper,kandktheksensitivitykofkthatkEEGkwaskvery

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkdependentkonkthatkandktheksensitivitykofkthekspring,kbecause

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkifkthekspringkwasn'tksensitive,kitkreallykdidn'tkmatterkwhat


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkyoukwerekcollectingkyou,kweren'tkgettingkitkaccurate.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkItkalsokexplainedktokuskthatkoncekthatkpaperkrecordkis

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkcreated,kthat'skallkyoukcankdokwithkit,kloo katkit.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkYoukcanksimplykloo katkitkvisuallykinspectkitkandkloo

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkatkthekshapeskandkthekformskandkthekwaveskandkthat'skabout

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkallkyoukcankdo.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkThekdigitalkEEGkiskconvertedkintoknumbers,kzeroskand

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkonesk--

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkk(Omission).

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkBeforekwekgetkintokthekspecifics,kwhichkIkthin

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkwe'rekgoingktokgetkintoklater,klet'sktal kaboutkthektraining

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkthatkyoukarekreceivingkatkthektime.kkYouktal edkaboutkthe

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkdifferencekbetweenkdigitalkandkanalog.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkThat'skwhatktheykwerekdoing.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkCouldkyoukdescribekjustkbrieflykwhatkankEEGkis?


kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkIt'skankelectricalkrecordkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkactivitykinkthekbrain.


kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkSo,kDoctor,kyoukreceivedkexclusivektrainingkfor

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkthatk40-hourkperiod.kkAfterkthatktraining,kwhatkwasktheknext

kkkkkkkkkk22kkktrainingkyoukreceivedkinkreferencektokeitherkEEGkorkQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAkkkkThatkwaskthekfollowingkyearkwhenkIkwentktokAtlanta

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkandktrainedkinkbothkbiofeedbac kandkneurofeedbac .

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkBeforekwekgetktokthat,kduringkthatkperiodkofkone


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkyearkafterkthektraining,kdidkyoukusekEEGkorkwerekyoukusing

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkitkinkanykformkorkfashion?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkMykjobkinkthekgroupkwasktokhelpkwithkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkanalysis.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkExplainkwhatkyoukmean,kthekgroup,kwhatkgroupkare

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkyoukreferringktokandkwhatkexactlykyoukdid?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkThiskwaskakgroupkofkMDskwhokwerek--

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkMedicalkdoctors?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkMedicalkdoctorskwhokwerekpsychiatristskand

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkneurologists,kandktheykwouldkadministerkorkhavektheir

kkkkkkkkkk11kkktechniciankadministerkthisktest.

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAndkmykjobkwasktokhelpkinkthekanalysis,kthe

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkquantificationkofkthekEEG,kusekthekcomputerktokcreatekthe

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkanalysis.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatktestskarekyoukreferringktokthatkthey

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkwerekadministering?

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,ktheykwerekadministeringkthekfirstkpartkwhich

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkiskcollectingkthekEEGkdata.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkWherekwaskthiskat?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kusuallyk--kitkwaskinkdifferentkplaces.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkNotkwherekspecifically.kkWhokwerekyoukwor ingkfor?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkTheknameskofkthekpeople?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkwasktheknamekofkthekgroupkandkwherekwaskthis

kkkkkkkkkk24kkklocated?

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskinkBrowardkCounty,kandkIkactuallykdon't


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkrememberktheknamekofkthekgroup.kkItkbro ekupkaklongktime

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkago.kkItkwaskDr.kGeraldkBalsomk(phonetic).

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkTherekwasksomekdoctorskfromkFloridakMedicalkCenterkand

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkfromkthekRetreatkHospital,kwhichkwaskakpsychiatrickhospital.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkIkwaskonkstaffkthere.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkapproximatelyk--kdidkyoukactuallykconductkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkEEGskduringkthatktimekperiodkofktime?

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkAkkkkNo.kkIkactually,kduringkthatkyear,kIkdidknotkapply

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkthekelectrodeskandkactuallykdokthat.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkdidkyoukdo?

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkOncekthatkwaskdone,kIkwor edkwithkthekcomputer

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkfileskinkthekanalysiskandkhelpedkthekdoctorskunderstandkthe

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkstatisticskandktheknumbers.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkTheykwereknotkreallyktrainedkinkcomputerskorkresearch

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkmethodologykandkstatisticskandkaskakPh.D.,kIkwas,kandkso

kkkkkkkkkk16kkktheykwerekutilizingkmyks illktokdokthat.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkBac kink1990,kwhenkyoukfirstkwentktokthis

kkkkkkkkkk18kkktraining,kbiomedicalktrainingkandkthenksubsequentlykdidkthis

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkEEGkwor ,khowkmanykleadskwerektheykusing?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkk19.kkThekstandardkleads.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukexplainktokthekjurykwhatkakleadkis?


kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkO ay.kkAkleadkiskakwire.kkAtkthekend

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkofkthek--kthiskiskthekleadskwekusektoday.kkTherekarekmany

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkdifferentk indskofkleads.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkkkkkkButkthekleadskthatkwerekusedkthenkandkmostkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkktimeknowkhavekakcupkatkthekendkandktheykvarykfromkli e,kyou

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkk now,kcentimeterktoktwokcentimeters.kkTheykvarykinksize.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkkkkkkAndkthekoneskthatkwekgenerallykuseknowkarekeither

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkplatedkwithkgoldkorktheykarekmadekoutkofktinkorksilver

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkchloridekcoating.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkkkkkkThekwirekiskattachedktokthatksensorkatkthekendkof

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkthekcupkandkitkleadskintokthekEEGkmachine.kkItkplugskin.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkQkkkkO ay.kkSoklet'skgoknowktokthekfollowingkyearkthat

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkyoukindicatedkyoukbeganktokreceivekadditionalktraining.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkWherekdidkthatktrainingkta ekplace?

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskinkAtlanta,kGeorgia.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkwhatkdidkthektrainingkconsistkof?

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekfirstkhalf,kthekfirstkfivekdayskconsistedkof

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkclassickbiofeedbac ktraining.kkMuscle,ktemperaturek--kmost

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkofkitkwaskmuscle,ktemperaturekandks inkconductants.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkWaskitkclassroomktraining?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskbothkclassroomktraining,kexperientialkand

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkhandskon,kallkthree.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkwerekyoukusingkdigitalkEEGktokdokpartkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk21kkktraining?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkNo.kkThatkwasktheklatterkpartkofkthekcourse.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkThekfirstkfivekdayskwekarekdealingkwithktraining.

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkApproximatelykhowkmanykhourskduringkthatkfivekdays?

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskfromkroughlyk8:00ko'cloc kinkthekmorning


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkuntilkaboutk6:00ko'cloc kork7:00ko'cloc katknight.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokwouldkitkbekfairktoksaykoverkthatkfive-day

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkperiodkanywherekfromk40ktok50khours?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkOh,keasily.kkOh,kyes.kkItkwaskexhausting.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthenkwhatkwasktheksecondkpartkofkthat

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkktraining?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,ktherekwerekmorekadvancedktechniqueskandkthey

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkbeganktokintroduceksomethingkaboutkEEG,kandkonktheklastkday

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkwekgotktokdokhandskonkEEGkwor ,ktrainedkourselveskandkother

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkpeople.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkInkadditionktokthekfivekdays,khowkmanykadditional

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkdayskdidkyoukdo?

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAkkkkFive.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokitkwasktenkdaysktotal?


kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokinkthatksecondkfivekdayskofktraining,kdescribe

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkwhatkexactlykyoukdid,kwhatk indkofktrainingkyoukreceived?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskmorekofktheksame,kbothkinkmusclekand

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkonlyktheykaddedkthekEEGkcomponent.kkIkdon'tkexactlykhavekthe

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkcurriculumkinkmind,kbutkthosekwerekthektopics.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAndktheklastkdaykwekhadkakconsultantkcomekinkwhokwaskan

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkexperiencedkEEGktrainer,kneurofeedbac ktherapist,kandkwekdid

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkhoo upskonkourselveskandkeachkotherkandkgotkhandskon

kkkkkkkkkk24kkktrainingkinkdoingkthatkandkthatklastedkakday.kkThatkwas

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkaboutkeightkorktenkhours.kkItkwaskfascinatingktokdokthat.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkWekjustkcouldn'tkleave.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkDuringkthiskperiodkofktime,kupktokthiskpoint,

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkwouldkyoukagreekthatkthatkwaskanotherk40khourskofktraining?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkI'dkagree.


kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokatkthekendkofkthatkcoursekupktokthatkpointkon

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkEEGkrelatedkmatters,kincludingkbeginningkthekbiofeedbac kand

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkthekneurofeedbac ,kyoukarekupktokapproximatelyk140kork130

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkhourskofktrainingktotal?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkAkkkkSomethingkli ekthat.kkOnekofkthekpointskofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk11kkktraining,konekofkthekthingskthatkIkwasktaught,kwhykitkwas

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkstructuredkthekwaykitkwas,kwaskbecausekwekbegank--kthey

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkwerekteachingk--kIkwaskbeingktaughtkthatkthekthingkthat

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkEEGk--kbiofeedbac kiskwhatkitkwaskcalledkatkthatktime,kwe

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkcallkitknowkneurofeedbac kandktemperaturekmuscle

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkbiofeedbac ,ks inkconductantskbiofeedbac ,kwekmeasurekthe

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkelectricalkactivitykofktheks in.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkWhatktheykhadkinkcommonkwaskthatktheykbothkinvolvedkthe

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkhumankbeingklearningkhowktokself-regulatektheirkbody.kkIt's

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkjustkakquestionkofkteachingkuskhowktokdokthat.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAndkwekcan'tkdokthatkwithoutkmachineskbecausekwekare

kkkkkkkkkk22kkknotkawarekofksomekofkthesekprocesses.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkSo,kthatkthekEEGkwaskjustkanotherkphysicalkprocesskthat

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkakmachinekwaskusingktoktellkuskinformationkaboutkourselves

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkthatkwekwerekthenkgoingktoklearnkhowktokregulate.kkSokitkwas


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkktenkdayskofkself-regulation.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkAfterkthatkcourse,kDoctor,kwhenkwasktheknext

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkktimek--kandkthatkwouldkhavekbeenksometimekaroundk1991?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhenkwasktheknextktimekthatkyoukreceived

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkadditionalktraining?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,krightkafterkthat,kIkbecamekintriguedkand

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkfascinatedkwithkEEG,kalthoughkIkwaskpracticingkmuscle

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkbiofeedbac ,kandkIkbeganksearchingkoutkotherkadditional

kkkkkkkkkk10kkktrainingkopportunities.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkForktheknextktwokyearskIktraveledkaroundkthekcountry.

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkDidkaklotkofktravelingkmostlyktokMenniger'skFoundationkand

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkMennigerkHospitalkinkTope a,kKansas,kwherektheykhadkan

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkinstitutekforkappliedkpsychophysiologykandkbiofeedbac .

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkThiskwasktheknationalktrainingkcenterkreallykatkthat

kkkkkkkkkk16kkktimekforkEEGkbiofeedbac kandkthekstudykofkneuroscience,kand

kkkkkkkkkk17kkktheykhadkbeenkconductingkresearchkandktreatmentkat

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkMenniger'skHospitalkandkthekMennigerkFoundationksincekthe

kkkkkkkkkk19kkklatek'60skinkEEG,kandkthiskwasknowkthekearlyk'90s.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAndkIkwentktherekprobablykeveryktwokorkthreekmonths,kso

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkthatkwaskonekplacekthatkIkwent.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAndkthenktheykwouldkbringkinkpeoplekfromkaroundkthe

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkcountrykwhokwerekexpertskinktheirkparticularkfieldkofkEEG,

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkbiofeedbac .

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkIt'skimportantktokunderstandkthatkitkwaskankemerging


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkfieldkatkthatktime.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'sktal kaboutkthektwo-yearkperiodkofktime.kkYou

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkmentionedktheknamekofkthekhospital?


kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkWherekiskthatklocated?

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkTope a,kKansas.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskitkakmedicalkhospital?

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kitkis.kkPsychiatrickhospital,kmedical

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkhospital.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukreceivedktrainingkthere?

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkInkthatkinstitutekthatkwaskattachedktokthe

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkhospital.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkInkwhatkareaskdidkyoukreceivektraining?

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkExclusivelykinkEEGkbiofeedbac kandkEEG.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkapproximatelykhowkmanykhourskofktrainingkdid

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkyoukreceive?

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,klet'sksee.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukarekreferringktokakdocumentkdoctor.kkWhat

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkdocumentkarekyoukreferringkto?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkI'mkloo ingkatkaklistkfromkmykvitakwhichkhasksome

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkofkthekinstituteskandkthekwor shopskthatkIkwentkto.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkO ay.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekaveragekinstitutekwaskaboutkfourkdayskin

kkkkkkkkkk24kkklength.



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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkI'mktryingktokreconstructkit.kkAndkwekgenerally

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkwentkfromkaboutk8:00ko'cloc kinkthekmorningkuntilkaboutkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkk6:00ko'cloc katknight.kkAndkthenktheykwouldksortkofkbrea

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkoutkgroupskinkthekeveningkthatkwerekinformal.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkO ay.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkAndktherekwaskonekonkbrainkinjury,ktherekwaskone

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkonkreadingkthekEEGkitself,kneurophysiology,kneuroanatomy.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkEachkofkthesekarekfourkdays?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthesekwerekthektopicskthatkwerekcoveredkat

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkdifferentktimes.


kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kforkexample,kinkthekbrainkinjurykone,kthat

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkwaskexclusivelykwhatkwaskdealtkwith.kkButkthatkwaskan

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkadvancedkonekbecausekyoukhadktokhavekdonekthekbasickstuff

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkfirst.kkYoukhadktokbekablektokreadkthekEEG,k nowkthe

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkhoo ups,k nowkthekdifferencekbetweenkartifactkandkregular

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkEEGkbeforekyoukcouldkactuallykgetkintokbrainkinjurykandkwhat

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthatkwaskandkhowktoktreatkit.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhokwaskteachingkthesekcourses?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkThesekwerekgenerallykpeoplekwhokwerekinkgraduate

kkkkkkkkkk21kkktraining,kPh.D.skorkM.D.s.


kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkDoctor,kwekwerektal ingkaboutkyourktraining.kkYou

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkhadkmentionedkthatkyoukreceivedksomektrainingkinkbiofeedbac

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkandkEEGkcomponentkandkthenkwekhadkgonektokthekhospitalkthat


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkyoukhadktrainedkforkandkyoukhadkreceivedktrainingkinkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkbrainkinjury,kreadingkEEGskandkneurophysiology?


kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatktrainingkdidkyoukdokafterkyoukleftkthere?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkThatkwouldkhavekbeenkstillkinkthekearlyk1990s.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kotherkthankMiniger's,kIkalsoktrainedkatkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkSouthernkInstitutekforkBiofeedbac kandkNeurofeedbac ,kwhich

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkwaskrunkbykDr.kJoelkLubar.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkDr.kLubarkwaskakfullkprofessorkofkpsychology,kandkone

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkofkthekpioneerskinkinventingkandkprovingkthekprotocolkto

kkkkkkkkkk11kkktreatkattentionkdeficitkdisorderkandklearningkdisorders

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkusingkneurofeedbac .

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkHekhaskaboutk200kpublicationskinkboo s,kandkIkbecame

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkhiskstudent,kandkoverkthekyearskIkhavekattendedkmanykofkhis

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkwor shops.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkyoukindicatedkinkthekcoursekofkyourkduties

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthatkyoukdo,kthatkyouktreatkchildrenkonkakregularkbasis

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkusingkneurofeedbac kandkbiofeedbac ?


kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkinstrumentkiskusedktokdokthat?

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,ktokdokwhich,kthektreatmentkorkthekQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthekQEEGkusedktokdokthekneurofeedbac ?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekdokitkaskakdiagnostickandkassessmentktool.

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkWekusekitkiskankassessmentktool.kkWekusekakDaykMedkTru-Scan,

kkkkkkkkkk25kkk32kTru-Scankacquisitionksoftwarektokgatherkthatkinformation


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkinkthekoffice.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,khavekyoukreceivedktrainingkonkthekQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAkkkkTokdok--kyes.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkapproximatelykhowkmanyktimeskhavekyoukused

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkQEEGktesting?

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkYoukmeankhowkmanykhadkIkdonekthekfullk19kleadskor

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkjustkanykquantificationkofk--

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkFirstklet'skstartkwithkanykquantification.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkThousands.kkBecausekinkorderktokdokneurofeedbac

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkyoukhavektokquantifykthekEEG.kkIkdokthatkfivekorksixktimeska

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkday,ksometimeskeightktimeskakdayksincekroughlyk1991.kkI

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkdon'tk now,k20,000ktimes,kmaybe.kkIkcankdokitkinkmyksleep.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatktrainingkdidkyoukreceivekonkhowktokdokthe

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthek19kleadkorkjustkthek--

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'skstartkbrieflykwithktheklesskthank19klead,

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkcankyoukexplainkthatktokthekjury?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthatkstartedkinkAtlantakink1991.kkAndkthen

kkkkkkkkkk19kkktherekwerekaboutkfourkorkfivektrainingkinstituteskat

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkMiniger's,kandkthenktherekwaskakwor shopkonktreatmentkof

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkaddictions,kthekusekofkEEGkbiofeedbac ,kandktherekwaskbrain

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkinjurykandkthenktherekwaskDr.kLubar's.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAndkthenkjustkaboutkeverykyearkfromkaboutk1993kuntil

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkthiskcomingkyear,ktherekwerekmaybektwokorkthreekyearskthere

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkwherekIkcouldn'tkgetkakbabysitterkforkmyk ids,kaskaksingle


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkparent.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkIkwentktokthekInternationalkNeurofeedbac kSociety

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkConference,kwhichkgenerallykconsistskofkaboutkakwee kof

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkwor shopskandkpapers.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAndkbac kinkthekearlykdays,kbeforekIS&Rkwaskformedkit

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwasksomethingkcalledkFuturekHealthkthatkstillkexists,kand

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkktheykhadkwor shopskandkseminars.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkButkafterkaboutk--kIkthin kwekformedkink'93kIS&R,kthen

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkitkwaskprettykmuchkyearlykwentkthere.kkAndkthatkgenerally

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkconsistedkeachkyearkofkaboutk--kanywherekfromk25ktok30khours

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkadditional.kkAndkthekmostkrecentkonekwaskjustkakcouplekof

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkmonthskago.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkAnd,kDoctor,khowklongkhavekyoukbeenkconducting

kkkkkkkkkk14kkk19-leadkQEEGktesting?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkthin kIkstartedkinkmykofficekink2001,kIkbelieve.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokthatkwouldkbekforktheklastkninekorktenkyears?


kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkApproximatelykhowkmanykQEEGktestskhavekyou

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkconductedkduringkthatkperiodkofktime?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkthoughtkIkwouldkbekas edkthis,ksokIkwentkbac

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkandkactuallykloo edkatkmykhardkdrivekwherekIksavedkthemkall

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkandkcountedkthemkup.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkTherekarekmorekthank350kpatientskandksomekofkthemkhad

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkmorekthankone,ksokIkestimatekitkiskoverk400.

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kcankyoukdescribekwhatkakQEEGktestkis?


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkYoukwantkmekphysicallyktokgokthroughkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkprocedurekofkwhatkconceptionallykitkmeans?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'sktal kaboutkconceptionkfirst.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkYoukgatherkthekelectricalkdata,kthekelectrical

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkinformationkfromkthekscalpkaboutkthekbrain,kandkthenkyouksee

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwaveformskonkthekcomputerkscreen,kandkthekcomputerkthen

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkstoreskthatkinformation,kandkitktellskmekaboutkthekactivity

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkofkthekbrain.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAndkthenkIkcankthenkmanipulatekthatkdatakinktheksense

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkthatkIkcankartifactkit,kIkcankchoosekthekinformationkthat's

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkgoodkEEGkorknotkEEG,kandkthenkIkcankrunkitkthroughka

kkkkkkkkkk12kkknormativekdatabase,kbasicallykIkcankconductkmanykstatistical

kkkkkkkkkk13kkktestskusingkthekquantitativekEEG.kkThat'skthekadvantagekof

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkquantification.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkInkthiskparticularkcasekyoukarekonlyktestifying

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkherektodaykaboutkyourkcollectingkthekdatakandkartifacting

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthekdata,kplacingkthatkinformationkintokakcomputerkprogram,

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkandkthenksomeonekelse,kanotherkdoctor,kiskgoingktokcome

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkinkandktestifykasktokthekresultskofkthat;kiskthatkright?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkThat'skmykunderstanding,kyes.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'skfirstktal kaboutkyourkinvolvementkinkthis

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkparticularkcase.kkDidkyoukconductkakQEEGkexaminationkon

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkMr.kGradykNelson?

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkMyselfkandkmyktechnician.

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhokiskyourktechnician?


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkHerknamekiskDebrakBarosek(phonetic).

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkWherekwaskthisktestkconducted?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskconductedkinkthek--kinkjail.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkwhokwaskpresentkwhenkthatktestkwaskconducted?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkwaskpresent,kMs.kBarosekwaskpresentkandkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkdefendant.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkwaskthekpurposekofkyourktechniciankbeing

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkpresent?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kIkhavekdifficultiesksometimeskstandingkup

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkandkdoingkit,kandkit'skbasicallykaklotkofkscutkwor .kkVery

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkdifficultykrubbingkthekscalpkandkdoingkthekphysicalkthings,

kkkkkkkkkk12kkksokIkemploykaktechnicianktokdokthat.kkIt'skthekwaykmy

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkpracticekisksetkup.kkIt'skverykcommon.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'sktal kaboutkwhatkyoukarekreferringktokonkthe

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkscalpkandkwhatkthatkiskcalled,kandkwhatkthekprocesskis.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkLet'sktal kaboutkthatkgenerally,kandkthenkwe'llktal kabout

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkhowkthatkappliedktokMr.kNelson.kkO ay?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkInkgeneralkwhatkyoukhavektokdokiskyoukhavekto

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkcleansekthekscalpkandkma eksurekthatkthektopklayerkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk20kkks inkhaskbeenkremovedk--


kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkStandardkoperatingkprocedurekyou

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkhavektokcleansekthekscalp,kexposekitkandkma eksurekthektop

kkkkkkkkkk24kkklayerkofktheks inkiskremoved,kcleankitkofkoils,kdirt,

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkanythingkthatkwouldkinterferekwithkthekconnection.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkkkkkkAndkthenkinkgeneralkwhatkyoukdo,kyoukusuallykuse

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkankabrasivekandksomekalcoholkorkboth,kandkthenkyoukapplyka

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkpaste,kakconductivekgelkorkpastekandkthenkyoukapplykthe

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkelectrode.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkDokyoukhaveksomethingkthatkwillkassistkthekjurykto

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkphysicallykseekakdemonstrationkofkthat?


kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukreferencekthat?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkLoo katkthekscreen.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkiskoccurringkhere,kDoctor?

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkExcusekme,kIkdidn'tkhearkyou.

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkiskoccurringkherekthatkthekjurykiskseeing?

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkamk--khavekappliedkandkarekapplyingkelectrodes.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkAskyoukcanksee,kherekitkis.kkYoukcankseekthekconductive

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkpaste,kandkthere'skthekgoldkelectrodekonktopkofkthat.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkThiskisktheklead,kthekwirekthat'skgoingkdownkand

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthere'skonekonkthekfrontkandkthere'skonekinkthekcenter,kin

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthekcenterkmiddlekofkthekhead.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhenkyoukarekreferringktoktheklead,kiskthat

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkactuallykonekplace,klocation,kthatkyoukarekplacingkthat

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkparticularkitem?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkRight.kkThiskiskaktwo-channelkQEEG,ktwokchannel

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkhoo up.kkAndkherektherekiskonekonkthekear,kyoukcan'tkseekthe

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkonekonkthekotherkear,kbutkthere'skalsokonekonkthekear,kand

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkyou'llkseekonekbehindkthekear.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkThat'skthekground,kandkthektwokonkthekearkarekcalled

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkreferencekelectrodes.kkAndkthektwokonkthekscalpkarekcalled

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkactive.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkDoctor,kdokyoukcurrentlykusek19kleadskonkthekQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kwekdo.kkWekusekthatktokassesskandkloo katkour

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwor kbecausekyoukcankalsok--kwhenkyoukquantify,kyoukcankalso

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkrunkstatisticalktestskandkcomparekprekandkpost,kyouk now,

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkbeforekandkafterktreatment.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowkdokyoukdeterminekwherekthosekleadskarekplaced?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthere'skakstandard,kakstandardkoperating

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkprocedure,kthere'skakstandardkschemekcalledkthek10/20ksystem

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkthatklocateskeachkstandardkpointkonkthekscalp.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAndkyoukchoosek--kwhenkyoukarektraining,kyoukchoose

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkthatkbasedkonkthekpatient'sksymptomskandkthekresultskofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkQEEG.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkWhenkyoukarekdoingkthekquantitativekEEG,kyou'rekgoing

kkkkkkkkkk17kkktokusekallk19kleads,kyoukusekallk19kpluskakgroundkpluskear

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkreferences.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokeveryktimekyoukconductkakQEEGkexaminationkusing

kkkkkkkkkk20kkk19kleads,keachkonekofkthosekleadskarekplacedkinkakparticular

kkkkkkkkkk21kkklocationkofkthekhead?


kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthat'skthekstandardkplacement?


kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthatkgenerally-acceptedkwithinkthekQEEG


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkcommunity?


kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthatkthekwaykyoukwerektrained?


kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkDidkyoukreceiveksubstantialktrainingkonkthat?


kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkQkkkkArekyoukfamiliarkwithkankindividualkbykthekitkname

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkofkDr.kRobertkThatcher?


kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhokiskDr.kRobertkThatcher?

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkDr.kRobertkThatcherkiskakwell- nownkrenowned

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkneurok--


kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowkdokyouk nowkDr.kThatcher?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkIk nowkhimkfromkprofessionalkcontactkthroughkIS&R.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkiskIS&R?

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAkkkkInternationalkSocietykforkNeurofeedbac kand

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkResearch.


kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkAndkIk nowkhimkalsokbecausekhekiskthekinventorkand

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkcreatorkofkNeuroGuide,kwhichkisktheksoftwarekthatkwaskused

kkkkkkkkkk22kkktokanalyzekMr.kNelson'skEEG.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokNeuroGuide,kexplainkgenerallykwhatkNeuroGuide

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkiskandk--kstartkthere.kkO ay?kkYoukhadktal edkaboutkthekEEG

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkearlykonkdigitalkEEGkversuskanalogkEEG,kearlykonkinkyour


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkktestimonykandkyourktraining?

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkAkkkkCorrect.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkDokyouk nowkhowkmanykcompaniesksellkthekEEGk--khow

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkisk--kdigitalkEEG,khowkiskthatk--kcankyoukexplainktokthe

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkjurykhowkthatkwor s,kthekdigitalkEEGkprocess?

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkTheksignalkcomeskinkandkthere'sksomethingkcalled

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkankAEDkconverter,kwhichkiskanalogk--

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkLi ekthatkboxkthat'sksittingknextktokyou?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkRight.kkI'mknotkankengineer,kbutkthek--kI'mknotka

kkkkkkkkkk10kkksignalkprocessingkengineer,ksokIkdon'tkreallyk nowkthe

kkkkkkkkkk11kkksecret,kbutkitkconvertskthatkanalogksignalktokakdigital

kkkkkkkkkk12kkksignal,ktokzeroskandkones,kwhichkthekcomputerkcankread.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkThekprocesskofkthekEEG,kifkyoukdidn'tkhaveka

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkcomputer,kwherekwouldkthekEEGkinformationktransposekto?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkJustkthekpaperkaskitkwaskcomingkoutkofkthekprinter

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkwithkthekpenkgoingkupkandkdown.kkThatkwouldkbekit.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkOncekthat'skonkthekpaper,kthat'skit,kthat'skthekonly

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthingkyoukcankdokwithkthekdata.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkSokthekregularkEEGkconversionkprocesskwould

kkkkkkkkkk20kkknormallykbekdonekusingkinformationkbeingktransposedkin

kkkkkkkkkk21kkksquigglyklineskonkakpiecekofkpaper?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkCorrect.kkThat'skhowkitkusedktokbekdone.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkForkeachkonekofkthekleadskthatkyoukarekreferencing

kkkkkkkkkk24kkktokthatkpartkofkthekbrain,kwouldktherekbekonekline?



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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkQkkkkIfkwekwerektokseekankEEGkreadingkfromkak19-lead

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkEEG,kwekwouldkseek19kdifferentklines,ksquigglyklines,keach

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkonekrepresentingkonekofkthosekleadskonkthekbrain?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkThat'skcorrect.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkThatkisksomek indkofkinformationkbeingktransposed

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkonkthatkdocument?

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkRight.kkThat'skthekvisualkrepresentationkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkelectrick--kthat'skthekoriginalk--kthat'skthekelectrical

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkvisualkrepresentationkofkthatkwavekthat'skbeingkcreatedkin

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkthekbrain.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhenkyoukarekdoingkthekactualkprocessingkorkthe

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkleadkdesignationkaskyoukarekdoingkherekwithkthek19kleads,

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkyoukarekusingkankEEGkmachinekthatkiskhoo edkupktokthose

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkleads?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkAbsolutely.kkIkthin kthatkmightkshowkit.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkI'mksorry?

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkthin ktheknextkslidekmightkshowkthat.kkIfkyou

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkloo katkthekbottomkleftkpartkhere,kthiskiskthek--kactually,

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkIfkyoukloo .

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkThisklittlektrianglekherek(indicating),kisktheksensor,

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkandkitkpic skupktheksignalkandkamplifieskitkandkitkgoeskinto

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkthekbluekboxkthatkconvertskit.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthat'skthekEEGkprocess?


kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kyoukdidkakquantifiedkEEG.kkWhatkdoeskthe


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkquantifiedkmean?

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkAkkkkThiskiskakquantifiedk--kwhatkI'mkdoingkherekis

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkalsokquantified,kbutkit'skonlyktwokleads.kkQuantifiedkmeans

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkthatktheksignalkiskconvertedktoknumberskthatkthekcomputer

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkcankreadkandkyoukcankseekallkthatkyoukcankthenkta ekapart,

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkeverykpartkofkthekspectrum.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkInkotherkwords,ktherekarekmany,kmanykdifferent

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkfrequencieskinkthekEEG.kkAndkbecausekyoukquantifykit,keach

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkspectrumkcankbekvisualizedkonkthekscreenkrightkhere

kkkkkkkkkk10kkk(indicating).

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAndkthenkyoukcankexaminekonekhertz,ktwokhertz,khadkhow

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkmanykcycleskperksecondkyou'rekgoing.kkThat'skhowkwektrain.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkWeksignalkinkonkjustkthosekspecifickthingskthatkwekneedkto

kkkkkkkkkk14kkk now.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthatkinformationkthenkprocessed,kthe

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkinformationkthatkyoukobtainkfromkthekperson,kthekperson's

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkscalpkthroughkthosekleadsktheirkbrain,kiskthatktransposed

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthroughkthekEEGkmachinekandkthenkultimatelykintokthe

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkcomputer?


kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthekcomputerkhaskakprogramkthatkitkuseskto

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkanalyze?


kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkQkkkkDoeskthekcomputerkhavekakprogramkthatkitkuseskto

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkanalyze?


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthekacquisitionksoftwarekhasksomekabilitykto

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkanalyze,kyes,kconvertskitktokwhatkiskcalledkankFFTksokyou

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkcankseekthekdifferentkfrequencies.kkButkitkdoesn'tkhave

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkthek--kthere'skanotherkpiecekofksoftwarekthatkdoeskmuchkmore

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkdetailedkanalysis.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndktheksoftwarekthatkyoukusedkinkthiskparticular

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkcasekwasknamedk--kisknamedkNeuroGuide?

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkAkkkkThatkiskcorrect.

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkwhokiskthekpersonkwhokcreatedkthatksoftware?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkAkkkkDr.kRobertkThatcher.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkiskhekalsokthekpersonkwhokanalyzedkthekresults

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkofkthiskparticularkcase?


kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkDidkhekanalyzekthekdatakinkthiskcase?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkHekdid.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkCOURT:kkIfkyouk now.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkExcusekme?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkCOURT:kkIfkyouk now.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkWITNESS:kkAskfarkaskIk now,khekwask--khekdid,

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkyes.


kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kdokyouk nowkhowkmanyksoftwarekcompanies

kkkkkkkkkk23kkktherekarekoutktherekthatkpublishksoftwarekforkthekQEEG

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkprogramskalone?



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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkQkkkkGettingkbac ktokthektestingkinkthiskcase,kwerekyou

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkpresentkwhenkthekleadskwerekplacedkonkMr.kNelson'skhead?


kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkcankyoukexplainktokthekjurykthekprocesskand

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkhowkthatkoccurredkspecificallykasktokMr.kNelson?

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkAkkkkHiskheadkwaskmeasuredkwithkaktapekmeasure,kthat's

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkhowkweklocatekdifferentkspotskonkthekhead.kkThenkeachkspot

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkwaskabraded,kmar ed.kkPlacedksomek--ksomekpastekwaskpasted

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkonkthatkspot,kandkankelectrodekwaskplacedkonkthatkpaste.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkThenkonktopkofkthatkelectrodekwaskakcut-upkfourkbykfour

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkpiecekofkgauzekthatkwaskplacedkonktopkofkit.kkAndkthatkwas

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkthekpreparationkofkthekscalp.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkafterkthekscalpkwaskprepared,kwhatkoccurred?

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekturnedkonkthekmachinekandkMr.kNelsonkwaskgiven

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkinstructionsktokfixk--ktoksitkbac kandkrelaxkandkloo katka

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkpointkonkthekwall,kwhichkhekdid.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAndkthen,kyoukcankseekdisplayedkonkthekscreen,kakhead

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkwithk--kakroundkhead,kandkinsidekthekheadktherekarek19

kkkkkkkkkk19kkklittlekcircles.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAndktheklittlekcirclesklightkupkwhenkthekimpedance,kand

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkI'llkexplainkthatkinkakminute,kisktookhigh.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkImpedancekiskakmeasurekbasicallykofkresistance,

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkelectricalkresistance.kkItktellskthekpersonkwhokiskacquiring

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkthekEEGkwhetherkorknotktheykhavekakgoodkconnection.kkAnytime

kkkkkkkkkk25kkktheykdon'tkhavekakgoodkconnection,kthatklittlekdotkturns


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkread.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkSo,kyoukdon'tkonlykhavektokdependkonkyourkvisual

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkinspectionkofkthosek19ksquiggleskgoingkbac kandkforth,kwhich

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkiskverykrapid,kbutkyoukgetkaksecondkbyksecondkreadoutkof

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkwhetherkorknotkthekresistancekiskstillkgood.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkIkmightkaddkthekadvantagekofkthatkiskthatkinkthekold

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkdayskwhenkwekdidkankanalogkwekusedkaklittlekmachinekcalledka

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkchec trode.


kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukwereksayingkinkthekoldkdayskyoukusedkwhat?

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekusedkakmachinekcalledkchec trode,kandkyoukonly

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkmeasuredkitkatkthekbeginningktokma eksurekthatkyour

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkpreparationskwerekcorrect.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQuantitativekEEG,kdigitalkEEGkyoukarekgettingkitksecond

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkbyksecond,kbyksecondkbyksecond.kkIfksomethingkgoeskwrongkyou

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkdon'tkhavektokdependkjustkonkyourkeyeballskseeingkaksquiggly

kkkkkkkkkk17kkklinekgokbykandkmightkmisskit,kbutkthekthingklightskupkand

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkyoukcankseekit.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkarekthekinstrumentskandkwhatkiskthe

kkkkkkkkkk20kkktechnologykthatkyoukhavekinkthekjailkwhilekyoukare

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkconductingkthisktest?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkWhatkiskthekwhat,kI'mksorry?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkarekyoukusingkinkthekjail?kkIfkthekjurykwas

kkkkkkkkkk24kkksittingktherekwatchingkthiskbeingkdone,kdescribekwhat

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkinstrumentskarektherekandkwhatkiskbeingkused.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkAkkkkYou'dkseekaklaptopkli ekthiskone,kaklaptop

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkcomputer.kkYou'dkseekakboxkaboutkthiskwidekandkaboutkthat

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkklongk(indicating).

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkSo,kit'skaklittlekbitklargerkthanktwokpac skof

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkcigarettes,kandkthektopkofkthekboxktherekarek32kholes.kkAnd

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkintokthosekholes,kthekwireskthatkarekcomingkfromkMr.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkNelson'skhead.kkTheykarekpluggedkin.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkEachkonekofkthosekroundkholeskareklabeledkwithkthekname

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkofktheksitekonkthekhead.kkEachkonekofkthekwireskare

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkdifferentkcolorsksokthatkyoukcank eepktrac kandkyoukdon't

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkgetkmixedkupkwhatkbelongskwhere.kkAndk--

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkQkkkkJustktokinterruptkforkaksecond,kDoctor.kkYouksaid

kkkkkkkkkk13kkktherekarek19kleads.kkHowkisktherek32kholeskwhenkthere'sk19

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkleads?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkBecausekthekTru-Scank32kcankdokotherkthingskother

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkthanksimplykacquirekakquantitativekEEG.kkTherekarekother

kkkkkkkkkk17kkktestskthatkcankbekperformedkthatkwouldkrequirekmorekleads.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkTheykarekcalledkERPkorkevent-relatedkpotentialskthat

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkhavektokdokwithkyoukwantkthemkexposes.kkYoukcankalsokhave

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkmorekthank32kchannels,kifkyoukwant.kkIt'sknotknecessary.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkTheykseekthatkbox,ktheykseekthekwires,ktheykseeka

kkkkkkkkkk22kkklaptop,kwhatkelsekdoktheyksee?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkAkkkkTheykseekwhat'skcalledkakDaykMedkandkthenkthere's

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkanotherkbox.kkThere'skakwirekcomeskoutkofkthekDaykMed,kinto

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkakboxkthatkiskaboutktheksizekofkakcigarettekpac ,kandkakwire


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkfromktherekthatkgoeskintokthekcomputerkthatkhaskakUSBkport,

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkthat'skthekcommunicatorkwithkthekcomputer.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkOnkthekfrontkendkofkthekDaykMed,kaklargerkboxktherekis

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkakblin ingklightkandkthatkblin ingklightktellskyoukwhether

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkorknotkthere'skakgoodkcommunicationkbetweenkthekcomputerkand

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkwhetherkthekDaykMedkiskwor ingkcorrectly.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAlsokonkthekscreenkwhenkyoukarekloo ingknowkatkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkscreen,kyoukalsokseekaklittlekwidgetkupkthere,kitktellskyou

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkifkthekbatterykisklowk--kyouk now,kwhatkthekbatterykstrength

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkiskofkthekTrue-Scankdata.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkoncekMr.kNelsonkwaskhoo edkupktokthatkwithkall

kkkkkkkkkk12kkk19kleads,kwhatkarekyoukdoingkandkwhatkiskhekdoing?

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAkkkkMr.kNelsonkisksittingkquietlykstaringkatkthekwall.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkIkamkloo ingkatkhim.kkI'mkloo ingkatkthektechnician,kI'm

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkloo ingkatkthekscreen.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkarekyoukseeingkonkthekscreen?

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkAkkkkAskyouksaid,kthosek19ksquigglyklines.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kDoctor,kdokyoukhavekakdemonstrativekthatkjust

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkshowsktheklineskthatkyoukwouldkhavekseenkwithinkthe

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkPowerPointktokbekcompared?

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkThatkjustkhask--knoknotationskatkallkonkthem?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkThis.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukareknotkgoingktoktestifykasktoktheknotations?

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kIkdo.

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukdo?kkO ay.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkkkkkkMR.kLENAMON:kkMaykIkhavekakmoment,kJudgekto

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkapproachkthekwitness?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkkkkkkTHEkCOURT:kkSure.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkkkkkkMR.kLENAMON:kkI'mkgoingktokturnkthiskoff.kkWhy

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkdon'tkyoukfindkthatkandkthenk--ksokyoukcankshowkthekjurykand

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkMs.kMendezkwillkta ekakloo katkit.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkkkkkk(Omission).

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkO ay.kkDoc,kwhatkwekloo ingkat?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkWekarekloo ingkatkactuallykMr.kNelson'skrawkEEG,

kkkkkkkkkk10kkktheksquigglyklineskthatkyoukmentioned.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkeachkonekofktheseklineskrepresentkaklead?

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkCorrect.kkIkthin kit'skeasierkifkIkma ekthemkblac

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkandkyou'llkbekablektokseekitkbetter.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkEachkonekofktheseklineskrepresentkaklead?


kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkThere'sk19kofkthem?


kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhenkhe'skhoo edkupkandkyoukarekstandingkthere,

kkkkkkkkkk19kkksittingkthere,kyoukarekloo ingkatkthiskandkloo ingkaskyou

kkkkkkkkkk20kkktal edkabout,khimkandkwhat'skgoingkonkinkthekroom.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkCouldkyoukexplainkbeforekwekgetktokMr.kNelson,kwhatkis

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkthektestingkprocesskthatkiskusedktokgatherkthiskinformation

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkthatkiskgoingktokbekinputtedkintokthekNeuroGuidekprogram?

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkAskIksaid,kwekas khimktokloo ,kandkhek eepskhis

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkeyeskopen.kkWekrunkthatkforkapproximatelyktenkminutes.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkQkkkkBeforekwekgetktokhimkspecifically,klet'sktal

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkaboutkgenerally.kkIsktherekakgeneralkprocesskusedkforkdoing

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkakQEEGkinktermskofktheknumberkofkdifferentktestskthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkrun,kandkcankyoukdescribekeachkofkthose?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkInkgeneralkthere'skakminimumkofktwokconditionskand

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkupktokfive.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndklet'skgokthroughkthekfivekconditions.kkWhat

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkwouldkbekthekfivekconditionskyoukarekreferringkto?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkUsuallykeyeskopen,keyeskclosed.kkOnekorktwoktas s.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkInkotherkwords,kwherekthekpersonkiskdoingkaktas .kkAndkthen

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkwhatkwekcallkhyperventilation.

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkcankyoukdescribe,kinkthiskparticularkcase,

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkbeginningkwithkthekfirstktestkthatkyoukprovidek--kthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkas edkMr.kNelsonktokdo,kwhatkyoukas edkhimktokdo,kwhatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkwerekdoing,kwhatkyoukwerekrecording,kwherekthatkinformation

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkwaskgoingkandkwhatkthekpurposekofkthatkinformationkbeing

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkrecordedkwas.kkIkas edkyoukfivekthings.

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,khekwaskloo ingkatkakspotkonkthekwall.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthiskiskcalledkwhatktest?

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkThiskiskthekeyeskopen.kkHiskeyeskwerekopen.kkIkwas

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkloo ingkatkhimkandkma ingksurekhekwasn'tkfallingkasleepkor

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkhekwasn'tkmovingkaround.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkIkwaskwatchingkthekscreen.kkIkcouldkseekthekscreen,kand

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkIkcouldkseekMs.kBarose,kandkshekwaskwatchingkthekscreenkand

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkwouldkturnkoccasionallyktokseekhim.kkThat'skwhatkIkwas


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkdoing,kwaskmonitoringktheksituation,kwatchingkwhatkwaskgoing

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkon.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthiskinformationkbeingkrecorded?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkThekinformationkisknowkgoingkfrom

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkMr.kNelson'skbrainkthroughkthekwires,kthroughkthekDaykMed

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkconverterkontokthekscreenkandkbeingkstoredkonkthekhard

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkdrive.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowklongkdoeskthisktestk--khowklongkdoeskthisktest

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkgokonkfor?

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkAkkkkTenkminuteskandkaksecondkorktwo.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkwhatkiskthekpurposekofkthektest?

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthekpurposekofkthekeyeskopenktestkisktokloo

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkatkthekbrainkactivitykwhilekthekeyeskarekopen,kwhichkiskthe

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkstatekofkmindkmostkofkuskwal karoundkinkmostkofkthektime,

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkhopefully.

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkarekyoukdoingkinkregardsktokma ingksurekthat

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthiskiskoccurringkproperlykandkwhatkarekyoukarekvigilant

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkaboutkinktermskofkwhatkyoukarekseeingkonkthekscreen?


kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkarekyoukloo ingkforkwhenkyoukarekloo ingkat

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkthekscreen?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkWhenkI'mkloo ingkatkthekscreen?

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkYes.

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkAkkkkI'mkloo ingkatkwhetherkorknotkthere'skhugekchange

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkinkonekofktheseksquigglyklines.kkWhetherkorknotkanykofkthe


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkklineskarekgoingkflat,kthatkwouldktellkmeksomething

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkimportant.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAnd,kofkcourse,kthatkitkiskcontinuingktokrun.kkAndkalso

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkloo ingk--kIkcan'tkseekthekactualknumberskbecausektheykare

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkktooksmall,kbutkIkcankseekpartkofkthatkheadkandkIkcankloo kat

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkthekcolors,kIkcankseekthekimpedance.kkIkwaskonkankanglekli e

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkthisk(indicating).

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kDoctor,klimitingkyourktestimonyktokwhatkyou

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkarekviewingkinkreferencektokwhatkiskimportantktokyoukaska

kkkkkkkkkk10kkktechnician.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAndkIkjustkwantktokclarifykthiskforkakmoment.kkBesides

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkdoingkthiskfromkaktechnicalkperspectivekyoukdokthiskonk--kon

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkoccasionkyoukdokyourkownkanalysiskregardingkinformation

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkthat'skinputtedkintokthis?

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkAkkkkArekyoukas ingkmekifkIkdok--


kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkSometimeskwhenkyoukdokakQEEG,kaklotkofktimeskwhen

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkyoukdokthekQEEG,kbesideskdoingkthektechnicalkaspectkof

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkhoo ingkupkandkfeedingkthekinformation,kyoukalsokanalyzekand

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkcomektokconclusionskyourself?

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkAbsolutelykallkthektime.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkInkthiskparticularkcasekyourktestimonykherekis

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkgoingktokbeklimitedktokthektechniciankpart.kkSokthe

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkquestionskI'mkas ingkyoukarekinkreferencektokwhenkyoukare

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkloo ingkatksomethingkfromkaktechnicalkperspectivekaskopposed


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkktok--kinkcomparisonktokankanalyticalkperspective.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkSo,kwhenkyouksaidkthatkyouk--kwhenkyoukarektal ing

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkaboutkthekinitialkeyeskopenktestkthatkifkthere'skakflatkline

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkktherekit'sksomethingksignificant?


kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkIskthatksomethingksignificantkaskankanalystkor

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkksignificantkaskaktechnician?kkAndkIkonlykwantkyouktoktal

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkaboutkwhatkisksignificantkaskaktechnician?

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkAkkkkFromkaktechnician'skpointkofkview?


kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkThat'skwhatkIkwask--kit'sksignificantkfromka

kkkkkkkkkk12kkktechnician'skpointkofkview.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukexplainkthat,kwhy?

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkBecausekitktellskmekthatkthekhardwarekiskeitherkA,

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkoutkofkcalibrationkor,kB,kthekimpedancekhaskreachedk50,000

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkohmskandkthatkisktheklimitkthatkthekamplifierkcankhandlekand

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkstillkdisplaykakdecedentksignal.kkItkwillknotkdisplayka

kkkkkkkkkk18kkksignal,kitkwillkshutkdown.kkThat'skakfailksafe.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukbrieflykwithoutkgettingkintoksuperkgreat

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkdetail,kwhatkdokyoukmeank50,000kohmskandkwhykiskthat

kkkkkkkkkk21kkksignificant?

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkAkkkkWell,kthekohms,kohmskiskthekmeasurekofkimpedance.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkIt'skakmeasurekofkresistance,kthere'skvoltskandkwattskand

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkohms,kandkthekamountkofkresistancekgoingkthrough.

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkSo,kyoukwantkveryklittlekresistance.kkYoukwantktokget


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkasktruekhighkfidelity,kli ekonkyourkstereokatkhome,kyoukwant

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkktheksoundkthatkyoukhavekinkthekconcertkhall,kandkyoukwantkto

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkhearkthekconcertkhallkinsideksomebody'skhead.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkYoukdon'tkwantktokhearktheknoisekonkthekelectrode,kyou

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkdon'tkwantktokmeasurekthekairkspacekbetweenkthekheadkandkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkscalpk--kandkthekelectrode,krather.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkSokyoukwantkakgoodksolidkconnection.kkAndkwhenkit'sknot

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkakgoodksolidkconnection,kthekresistancekgoeskup.kkIt's

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkharder,kmeaningkit'skharderkforkthekelectricalkimpulsekto

kkkkkkkkkk10kkktravelkthroughkthekwire,kandkthat'skwhenkthekohmskgokup.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkWhatkthekmachinekfromkaktechnicalkpointkiskactually

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkdoing,kit'sksendingkankelectricalksignalkfromkitselfktokthe

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkwirekandkit'sksupposedktokgetkthatksignalkbac kalongkwith

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkthekEEGksignal,kandkthat'skhowkit'skmeasuringkthekimpedance,

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkeveryksecond.kkIfkthatksignalkisknotkcomingkbac kwithin

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkspecifiedklimits,kit'skgoingktokflash.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkyoukalsokindicatedkthatkyoukwouldkloo kforkthe

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkbiggerksquigglyklines?


kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkIsktherekaktechnicalksignificancektokthat?

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkusuallykmeanskthatkthere'sksomek indkofkeither

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkakdisconnectkthatkIkcan'tkseekorkakwirekmaykbecomekloose.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkInkthatkcase,kyou'dkalsokprobablykseekakflatklinekor

kkkkkkkkkk24kkksomethingkonkthekred.kkThekwireskhavektokbek--kI'mksorry.

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkI'mkapologizingktokakmicrophone.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkThekwireskarekaboutkthisklongk(indicating),kIkguess

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkaboutkthreekfeet,kandksoksometimeskifktheykswing,ksomeone

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkbrusheskupkagainstkitkyoukcankseekthatkartifact,kthekwire

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkmovementkartifactkorkIkmightkbekloo ingkatkthekscreenkand

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkknotkatkMr.kNelsonkatkthatktimekorkwhoeverkitkis,kandkIkcould

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkseekthekmovementkonkthekscreenkbeforekIkseekthekpatient

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkmove.kkIkwouldk nowktokturnktowardskthekpatient,k"Whatkis

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkgoingkon?"

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kiskthereksomethingkthatkyoukloo kforkwhile

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkthiskisk--ksorry.


kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkQkkkkGoodkafternoon,kDoctor.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkAkkkkGoodkafternoon,kMr.kLenamon.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkQkkkkWekwerektal ingkaboutktheksquigglyklineskandkwhat

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkrelatedktokthemkandkthiskiskankexamplekofkwhatkyoukare

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkseeingkwhilekyoukareksittingktherekmonitoringkthekmonitorkon

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkthekcomputer?


kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkBeforekwekcontinuekonkwithkthektestingkprocess,

kkkkkkkkkk20kkklet'skgokbac ktoksomekofkthektrainingkthatkyoukhavekreceived

kkkkkkkkkk21kkktokgetktokthekpointkwherekyoukwerekatkonkthekdatekthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkevaluatedkMr.kNelson.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkFirstkofkall,kwhatkwaskthekdatekthatkyoukevaluatedkMr.

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkNelson?

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekactualkdatekIkwaskthere,kI'dkhavektokloo kthe


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkdatekup.

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkQkkkkDoeskthekreportkrefreshkyourkrecollection?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kitkwaskonkJunek12th,k2009.

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkQkkkkJunek12th,k2009.kkBeforekJunek12th,k2009,kcould

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkyoukdescribektokthekjuryk--kyoukmentionedkthatkyoukhadkdone

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkaboutk300-plusktests,kQEEGktests?


kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkQkkkkCankyoukdescribektokthekjurykyourktrainingkinkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkknumberkofkhours,kandkgeneralizedktraining,kthatkyoukreceived

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkonkQEEGkandkwhatkyouk--klet'skstartkwithkthat.

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkkkkkkAkkkkItkwaskhundredskofkhourskofkwor shopskthatkinvolve

kkkkkkkkkk12kkklearningkhowktokdistinguishkbetweenkrealkQEEGksignalkandknot

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkankQEEGksignal,khowktokdokdifferentkhoo ups,kbecause

kkkkkkkkkk14kkktherekarekdifferentkwayskofkhoo ingkupkthekwires,kwhatkis

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkandkwhatkisn'tkakmontage,kwhatkthekmeaningkofkthe

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkfrequencieskare,khowkyoukdeterminekwhatkfrequencieskyoukare

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkloo ingkatkandkhowktoktransformkthekEEQkandkhowkto

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkinterpret.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkiskakmontage?kkYoukusedkthekwordkmontage.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkAkkkkMontagekiskli ekaklens.kkSo,kit'skthekelectrical

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkconfiguration.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkThekwaykaktechniciankunderstandskwhatkhe'skloo ingkat

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkiskyoukhavektokunderstandkthatktheklittlekbluekboxkthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk24kkksawkonkthekscreen,keverykEEGkamplifierkhasksomethingkcalled

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkakdifferentialkamplifier,kwhichkmeanskitktellskyoukthe


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkdifferencekbetweenktwokdifferentksignals.kkThat'skallkit

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkktellskyou.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkSo,kwhatkyouksawkonkthekscenekiskwhat'skcalledkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkklin ed-earskmontage.


kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkYoukarekspea ingkaboutkyourkexperiencekinktraining

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkconcerningkQEEG?

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkAkkkkCorrect.kkIkwasktaughtkwhatktheklin ed-ears

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkmontagekwas,kwhatkthekotherksequentialkmontagekwask--

kkkkkkkkkk10kkktherekarekdifferentknamesk--kandktheykrenderktheksquiggles

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkinkdifferentkwayskandktheykmeankdifferentkthingskdepending

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkuponkwhatkyouksubtractkfromkwhat.

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkkkkkkQkkkkSo,kbesideskthekactualkclassroomktraining,kdidkyou

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkreceivektrainingkinkhowktokplacekthesekitemskonkthekforehead

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkandkthingskli ekthat?


kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndktheksignificancekthatkyoukjustktestifiedkabout

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkthekmontagekissue?

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes.kkPartkofkmyktrainingkatkMenniger's,kIkhadktwo

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkyearskofkpost-doctoralksupervision.kkSomekofkitkwaskhands-on

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkandksomekofkitkwaskdistant,kandkitkinvolvedkplacingkand

kkkkkkkkkk22kkk nowingkthatkIkwaskdoingkitkcorrectly.

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkSubsequentktokthatkandkinkunionkwithkthat,kyou

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkactuallykconductedk300-pluskQEEGkexaminations?



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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowkmanykofkthosekwerekusingk19kleads?

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkAkkkkAllkofkthem.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkThek19kleadskonkthekhead,kQEEGkfullktesting,kand

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkyoukactuallykinkthosekcaseskinterpretedkthekdatakyourself?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kIkdid.

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkkkkkkQkkkkSo,kyourkexperiencekwithinkthekfieldkallowskyoukto

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkinterpretkthekdata?



kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kDoctor,kwhatkprofessionalkorganizationskdo

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkyoukbelongkto?

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkIkbelongktokthekInternationalkSocietykfor

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkNeurofeedbac kandkResearch.kkIkbelongktokthe

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkElectroencephalographykClinicalkNeurosciencekSociety.

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkIkbelongktokthekSocietyk--kAssociationkforkApplied

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkPhysiologykandkBiofeedbac .

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkIkbelongktokthekAmericankPsychologicalkAssociationkand

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkIkbelongktokthekAmericankAssociationkofkMarriagekandkFamily

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkTherapists.

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkkkkkkQkkkkWithkthekexceptionkofktheklastkone,karekthekrest

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkofkthosekassociationskthatkdealkwithkEEGkorkQEEGkrelated

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkissues?


kkkkkkkkkk24kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkapproximatelykhowkmanykhourskofkcontinuing

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkeducationkdokyoukattendkeverykyear?


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkusekthekQEEGkorkrelatedkequipmentkinkyourkdailykpractice?

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkAkkkkAtkthekpresentktimekI'dksayk70ktok80kpercent.

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkcankyoukdescribekwhatkyoukdokwithkthat?

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekactualksessions?

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkYes.kkDescribekwhatkyoukarekdoingkwithkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkmaterial.

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkAkkkkActually,kIkpreparekthekscalp.kkIkputkonkthe

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkleads.kkIkreadkthekrawkEEGkcomingkacrosskmykscreen.kkIkma e

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkadjustmentskofkwhatkwekcallkthresholds.

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkSo,kthatkdetermineskwhatkthekpersonkiskgoingktokbe

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkrewardedkfor,kwhatkthekbrainkiskgoingktokbekrewardedkfor,

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkandkshapekthekneuronskinkthekbrainktokrespondkinkakcertain

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkway.

kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkIkma ekthekdecisionkaboutkwhatksitesktokputkthekleads

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkon,kwhenktokta ekthemkoff,kwhatkfrequenciesktoktrain,kand

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkwhatkdifferentk indskofkthingskinkthekbrainktoktrain,

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkbecausektherekarekseveralkdifferentkrelationships.kkIt'sknot

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkjustkpower.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkIt'sknotkjustkthekamountkofkelectricitykthat'skcoming

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkthrough,kbutktherekarekdifferentkthingsktoktrain.kkThekbrain

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkiskcomplexkthatkway.kkIkhavektokma ekthosekdecisions.

kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkThiskiskwhatkI'mkdoingkinkeachksession.kkIkassesskthe

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkmentalkandkemotionalkstatuskofkthekpatient,kfamilykstatus,

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkandktheirkstressklevel.kkIkintegratekthatkwithkwhatkIksee,

kkkkkkkkkk25kkktheirkbehavior,kandkwhatkIkseekonkthekEEG.


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhenkyouksayk"train,"kwhatkdokyoukmeankbyktrain?

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkkkkkkAkkkkTrainkmeanskthatktheykgetkrewardedkorknotkrewarded

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkandkI'mktryingktokgetkthekbrainktokacquirekakdifferent

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkhabit.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkHowktheykrewarded?


kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkkkkkkQkkkkThiskprocesskthatkyoukarektal ingkaboutkis

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkneurofeedbac ?


kkkkkkkkkk10kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkinkthiskparticularkcase,kyoukwerekas edkto

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkactuallykconductkakcollectionkofkdatakfromkMr.kNelsonkin

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkreferencektoksomekultimatektestingkthatkwaskgoingktokbekdone

kkkkkkkkkk13kkkinkankevaluationkbykDr.kThatcher?


kkkkkkkkkk15kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,klet'skgokbac ktok--kwekwerektal ingkaboutk--

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkbeforekwektoo kankasidekonkyourkquantificationskissue,kwe

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkwerektal ingkaboutkthekfirstktest,keyes-opened.kkYou

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkmentionedkfivekpossiblektests.

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkkkkkkWerekallkfivektestskorkconditionskusedkinkMr.kNelson's

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkcase?


kkkkkkkkkk22kkkkkkkkQkkkkAndkthekfirstkonekyoukdescribedkwaskeyes-opened

kkkkkkkkkk23kkkandkyouktal edkaboutkcollectingkdata?


kkkkkkkkkk25kkkkkkkkQkkkkGenerally,kthek indkofkdatakthatkyoukarekseeing


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kkkkkkkkkkk1kkkthatkiskplacedkinkfrontkofkthekjurykinkthiskexhibitkyoukare

kkkkkkkkkkk2kkkactuallykviewing?

kkkkkkkkkkk3kkkkkkkkAkkkkYes,kthiskiskactuallykthekeyes-openedkrecord,kthe

kkkkkkkkkkk4kkkfirstksixksecondsk--kfivekandkakhalfkseconds.

kkkkkkkkkkk5kkkkkkkkQkkkkNow,kwektal edkaboutkakcouplekofkthingskthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkkk6kkkarekloo ingkfor,keitherkakflatklinekorkankextendedkline,kand

kkkkkkkkkkk7kkkwekalreadykdiscussedktheksignificancekofkthose.

kkkkkkkkkkk8kkkkkkkkIsktherekanythingkelseksignificantkthatkyoukwouldkbe

kkkkkkkkkkk9kkkloo ingkatkwhilekyoukarekviewingkthiskmaterialkin

kkkkkkkkkk10kkkconjunctionkwithkwatchingkMr.kNelsonkinkthekcollectionkof

kkkkkkkkkk11kkkthiskdata?

kkkkkkkkkk12kkkkkkkkAkkkkWatchingkhimkonkthekscreen?


kkkkkkkkkk14kkkkkkkkAkkkkThekimpedanceklevels,kma ingksurekwekhavekgood

kkkkkkkkkk15kkkcontacts,kandkthekmachinerykiskwor ingkcorrectlykandkthat's

kkkkkkkkkk16kkkbasicallykit.

kkkkkkkkkk17kkkkkkkkQkkkkWhatkiskartifacting?

kkkkkkkkkk18kkkkkkkkAkkkkArtifactingkiskthekprocesskofkremovingkanything

kkkkkkkkkk19kkkthat'sknotkrelatedktokthekEEG.kkAnotherkwaykofksayingkitkis

kkkkkkkkkk20kkkonlykmar ingkthatkwhichkiskreallykEEGkwhichkiskeasier.

kkkkkkkkkk21kkkkkkkkQkkkkDidkyoukartifactkinkthiskcase?


kkkkkkkkkk23kkkkkkkkQkkkkLet'sktal kaboutkartifactingkgenerally.kkWhatkis

kkkkkkkkkk24kkkthekimportancekofkartifacting?kkWhatkiskthekprocesskthatkyou

kkkkkkkkkk25kkkusekgenerallykwhenkyoukdokthat?


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