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Telepathology and The Future of Pathology (or Why did we change our Practice Model) Jagdish Butany, MBBS, MS, FRCPC Consultant Cardiovascular Pathologist/Director Autopsy Services Co-Editor-in-Chief, Cardiovascular Pathology Professor, University of Toronto &Dir.Divn.of Pathology ,Dept. of Laboratory Medicine and Pathobiology, Sectty/treasurer WASPaLM(2009--) University Health Network / Laboratory Medicine Program Toronto General Hospital , 200 Elizabeth Street, E11-444 Toronto, Ontario M5G 2C4,Canada. Tel: 416-340-3003 Fax: 416-586-9901 e-mail: [email protected] 2 Feb 2011, Birmingham, UK. HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY Equipment/Supplier!

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Telepathologyand

The Future of Pathology(or Why did we change our Practice Model)

Jagdish Butany, MBBS, MS, FRCPC

Consultant Cardiovascular Pathologist/Director Autopsy Services Co-Editor-in-Chief, Cardiovascular Pathology

Professor, University of Toronto &Dir.Divn.of Pathology ,Dept. of Laboratory  Medicine and Pathobiology, Sectty/treasurer WASPaLM(2009--)

University Health Network / Laboratory Medicine Program Toronto General Hospital , 200 Elizabeth Street, E11-444

Toronto, Ontario     M5G 2C4,Canada. Tel: 416-340-3003 Fax: 416-586-9901 e-mail: [email protected]

2 Feb 2011, Birmingham, UK.

I HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY Equipment/Supplier!

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(a)Why did we implement telepathology (WSI) at UHN?

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Imagine

1.Cover 3 sites2.No new staff available3.Increasing workload

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• TGH, PMH, TWH

• No on-site TWH pathologist

• 2-10 frozen sections

per week (mostly

neurosurgery)

• Sept. 2004 – no NP

University Health Network

~ 1 mile

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Medical Laboratories

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The Perfect Storm---!

Right Circumstances

Right Leadership Right Tools!! Available!

Problem!!

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TWH Frozen Sections: The Problems to Be Solved

• Single pathologist traveling to TWH– Inefficient process - traveling time and waiting

– Disruptive to regular workflow – 99% of departmental activity occurs at TGH

• delays in regular sign-out affecting other UHN patients

– No possibility for consultation on difficult cases – possibly affecting TWH surgical patients.

• Compromised diagnostic accuracy• Unnecessary deferred diagnoses

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The Robotic System: November 2004-October 2006

• 350 frozen sections

• accurate

• deferral rate < 10%

• slow (~ 10 minutes/slide)

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Toronto GeneralTelepathology Work Station(not a pathologist’s office)

Toronto Western

The Robotic System

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Whole-Slide Imaging: October 2006-Present

• > 1800 frozen sections/1500 patients

• 90% from neurosurgery

• 98.5-100% accuracy (month to month)

• 14-16 minute turnaround time

• 5% deferral rate

- 2 pathologists review all deferrals

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Telepathology Was A Viable Solution

• > 90% of the cases are single block• Surgeons select the tissue of interest

– no need for gross assessment by pathologist– surgeon-defined margins – submit in toto for frozen section/smear

• Robotic microscopy (2004-2006)– most intense development and validation

• Transition to WSI (late 2006- present)

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• Easy consultation with colleagues – better for patient care

• WSI had essentially no learning curve (compared to robotic microscope)

Whole-Slide Imaging: Architecture

This was TGH/UHN

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Pathology 2000-2010Pathology 2000-2010

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Future of Pathology

Frontiers in Laboratory Medicine

Feb 1-2, 2011, Birmingham UK.

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• Volume – aging population – higher sensitivity for early disease

• Demand– Sophisticated knowledgeable population– Culture of “instant gratification”

• New technologies– genomics– proteomics– informatics– robotics ‘tissue soup’ instead of tissue

Challenges for 2020Challenges for 2020

MONEY??

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The Challenge for 2020 The Challenge for 2020

• Faster• Better

– Higher quality– Personalized

• Cheaper

• Innovative

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The New Paradigm: The New Paradigm: FasterFaster

• Pathology must be faster

– “Same Day” diagnosis

– Automation

– 24/7 labs

FasterFaster

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The New Paradigm: FasterThe New Paradigm: Faster

• Speech-recognition integrated with LIS

means instant reporting without

the need for dictatyping

CHEAPER

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What is “Correct”?• Objective classification by

– mRNA expression– DNA sequencing– Response to therapy

The New Paradigm: BetterThe New Paradigm: Better

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• Synoptic Reporting– Complete

• Standardized formats (CAP checklists)

– Adaptable and flexible• No more verbose reports that no one reads!

– Database technology• Statistics collection• Administrative tracking• QA monitoring• Academic data mining

The New Paradigm: BetterThe New Paradigm: Better

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The New Paradigm: BetterThe New Paradigm: Better(A Bit Controversial-(A Bit Controversial-still !!still !!))

Subspecialty Pathology– All cases reported by a pathologist with

expertise in the specific subspecialty required– Benefits:

• Better quality and faster patient care• Fiscal responsibility: 1 pathologist per case• Pathologist satisfaction – enhanced academic

excellence

– Challenges:• Requirement for appropriate staffing

in all areas and Built in redundancy

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Requirements for Full Adoption Requirements for Full Adoption • Workflow integration

– From the lab to the pathologist

• LIS integration– Barcodes– Slide tracking and retrieval

CHEAPER

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Digital Pathology EnablesDigital Pathology Enables• Remote access

• Multiple viewers

• Immediate access to the right pathologist at the right time

BETTER

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Computer-Assisted DiagnosticsComputer-Assisted Diagnostics• Automated analysis of:

– Measurement– Mitoses– Ki67 LI – Other IHC

• intensity• distribution

– Her2 FISH– Hematology

• Cellavision

– More?

• QA of technical quality– Section thickness– Stain quality

? Need for Westgard rules in AP?

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Epigenetic Control: Epigenetic Control: Can it Override the Genotype?Can it Override the Genotype?

N Engl J Med. 2007 Feb 15;356(7):731-3

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What Is Anatomical Pathology?What Is Anatomical Pathology?• Integrative

morphology based interpretation

• Consultant’s ReportGross Morphology

Chemistry on a glass slide

Immunoassay on a glass slide

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The Virtual AutopsyThe Virtual Autopsy

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After “The Anatomy Lecture of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp” – Rembrandt, 1632(Courtesy of Dr. Carlos Cordón, New York, USA)

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• Patient-Centred Care

• Individualized diagnostics

• Targeted therapies

All based on “omics”

Will “omics” replace pathology?

The New Paradigm: PersonalizedThe New Paradigm: Personalized

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The Future of Pathology?The Future of Pathology?

$15.00 each $1000.00 each$15.00 each $1000.00 each

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2020 Pathology2020 PathologyDigital radiology

Digital cardiology

Digital genetics

Biomarkers & CAD

ClinicalPathology

Gross Pathology

History, Physical,Family History

Digital EMR

QA

Labs/

Pathology:

the center

of

Personalized

Medicine !!Endoscopy

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• Comprehensive & Integrated Pathology reports– Incorporation and integration of radiologic,

biochemical, morphologic , molecular, cytogenetic and epigenetic data

The 2020 ParadigmThe 2020 Paradigm

The Pathologist’s Cockpit

Gross Pathology

BiomarkersRadiology

Biochemistry

MolecularPathology

Histopathology

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• To provide the right diagnosis

• To provide the right material

• To provide the right leads

• To provide the right experiments

• To evaluate the consequences of genetic manipulation

• To PROVIDE An INTELLIGIBLE, COMPREHENSIVE REPORT!!

The Expanding Role of Lab MedicineThe Expanding Role of Lab Medicine

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2020 2020

2020 2020 THE THE Pathologist !!Pathologist !!

The Pathologist and the Patient!!

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2020 2020 PathologistPathologist

Pathologist and Patient!“The Diagnosis is----, and the prognosis is----.”

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“AS IS YOUR PATHOLOGYSO IS YOUR MEDICINE.”

Sir William OslerMcGill Univ, Hopkins, London (UK)

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IMAGINE!!

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KuwaitX

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The Future of PathologyThe Future of Pathology

The best way to predict the future is to invent it

Alan Kay