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Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems (WAS-AAA)

M E M O R A N D U M

DATE: October 2, 2014

TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems (WAS-AAA)

FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7562 Email: [email protected]

SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 15 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2016)

Enclosed is the agenda for the First Draft meeting for NFPA 15, Standard for Water Spray Fixed

Systems for fire Protection, which will be held at the Holiday Inn – Inner Harbor, Baltimore, MD 8:00am to 5:00pm EDT on Thursday November 20, 2014. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any first revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information:

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Technical Committee on Water Spray Fixed Systems

(WAS-AAA) NFPA 15 First Draft Meeting (Annual 2016)

Thursday, Nov.20, 2014 8:00am – 5:00pm EDT

Holiday Inn – Inner Harbor, Baltimore, MD

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AGENDA

Thursday, November 20, 2014

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

2. Introductions and Attendance

3. Review Agenda

4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle

5. Chairman Comments

6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

7. Act on Public Input for NFPA 15

8. New business

9. Adjourn Meeting

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to

the meeting.

Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any first

revisions or committee input at the meeting.





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Key Dates for the Annual 2016 Revision Cycle

Proposal Closing Date July 7, 2014 Final Date for First Draft Meeting December 12, 2014

Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot January 30, 2015 Ballots Returned By February 20, 2015

Post Final First Draft March 6, 2015 Comment Closing Date May 15, 2015 Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 30, 2015

Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December11, 2015

Ballots Returned By January 4, 2016

Posting Final Second Draft January 18, 2016 Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) February 19, 2016 Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 13, 2016

NFPA Annual Meeting June 13-16, 2016 Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 4, 2016

Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.





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NFPA Annual Directory NFPA Manual of Style Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable)

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Attachment #1:

Previous Meeting Minutes

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON WATER SPRAY FIXED SYSTEMS NFPA 15 A11 REPORT ON COMMENTS (ROC) MEETING

WEB LIVE TELECONFERENCE November 3, 2010

1. The meeting was called to order by Committee Chair Kerry Bell, at 1:00 PM eastern

time, November 3, 2010.

2. The Roll was taken. Committee Members present: (P = Principal, A = Alternate, V = Voting Alternate)

Kerry M. Bell, Chair, P Robert M. Gagnon, PE, Secretary, P Justin B. Biller, P Ralph E. Bless, P Kevin F. Carrier, P Harvey E. Goranson, P David R. Hague, P Robert A. Loyd, P James M. Maddry, P E. Parks Moore, P Thomas L. Multer, P Roz Nielsen, P Thomas A. Noble, P Larry W. Owen, P Rick R. Schartel, P Jeffrey W. Sutton, P Dennis Taylor, P Samuel Toren, P Karl Wiegand, P Kenneth W. Linder, V Terry L. Victor, A (Voting for Christy Marsolo) Russell P. Fleming, A (Alt. to Karl Wiegand) George E. Laverick, A (Alt. to Kerry M. Bell) Matt Pognant, A (Alt. to David R. Hague) John F. Viola, A (Alt. to E. Parks Moore) Victoria Valentine, Guest Barry Chase, NFPA Liaison

3. Minutes from the ROP meeting of February 3rd, 2010 were reviewed, and there were

no objections or corrections.

4. Barry Chase reviewed the 2011 Annual Revision Cycle.

5. The report of Task Group on Pipe Stands was presented and addressed.

6. The report of Task Group on Vapor Mitigation was presented and addressed.

7. Public comments were addressed by the committee.

8. Committee comments were addressed by the committee.

9. Old business and new business were addressed.

10. Committee Chair Kerry Bell adjourned the meeting at 3:35 PM EDT.

Respectfully submitted, Robert M. Gagnon, PE Committee Secretary

Attachment #2: Public Input/15

Public Input No. 24-NFPA 15-2014 [ Section No. 2.3 ]

2.3 Other Publications.

2.3.1 ANSI ASME Publications.

National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara...

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American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor, Society of MechanicalEngineers, Three Park Avenue, New York, NY 10036.ANSI/ 10016-5990.

Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC), Section IX, Welding and Brazing Qualifications , 2013 .

ASME B1.20.1, Pipe Threads, General Purpose , 2006

2013 .

ANSI B16

ASME B16 .1,

Cast

Gray Iron Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings ,

2005

2010 .

ANSI

ASME B16.3, Malleable Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 150 and 300 ,

2006

2011 .

ANSI B16

ASME B16 .4, Gray Iron Threaded Fittings Classes 125 and 250 ,

2006

2011 .

ANSI

ASME B16.5, Pipe Flanges and Flanged Fittings ,

2006

2013 .

ANSI

ASME B16.9, Factory-Made Wrought Steel Buttwelding Fittings ,

2007

2012 .

ANSI

ASME B16.11, Forged Fittings, Socket-Welding and Threaded ,

2009

2011 .

ANSI

ASME B16.18, Cast Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings ,

2001

2012 .

ANSI

ASME B16.22, Wrought Copper and Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings ,

2001

2013 .

ANSI

ASME B16.25, Buttwelding Ends ,

1997


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2012 .

ANSI

ASME B36.10M, Welded and Seamless Wrought Steel Pipe , 2004.

ANSI

ASME B36.19M, Stainless Steel Pipe ,

2002

2004 .

ANSI C2, National Electrical Safety Code , 2007.

2.3. 2 ASME Publications.

American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Three Park Avenue, New York, NY 10016-5990.

Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC), Section IX, Welding and Brazing Qualifications , 2010.

2.3.3 32.3.2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A 53/ A 53M , Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Weldedand Seamless, 2007 2012 .

ASTM A 135/A 135M , Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 2009.

ASTM A 182/A 182 M , Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, ForgedFittings, and Valves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2009 2014 .

ASTM A 234/A 234M , Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steelfor Moderate and High Temperature Service, 2007 2013 .

ASTM A 312/A 312M , Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked AusteniticStainless Steel Pipes, 2009 2014 .

ASTM A 536, Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, 2009.

ASTM A 795/A 795M , Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Weldedand Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, 2008 2013 .

ASTM B 75/B 75M , Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, 2002 2011 .

ASTM B 88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, 2009.

ASTM B 251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper andCopper-Alloy Tube, 2002 2010 .

ASTM D 323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method), 2008.

2.3. 4 42.3.3 AWS Publications.

American Welding Society, 550 8669 N.W . LeJeune Road, 36 Street, #130 , Miami, FL 3312633166-6672 .

AWS A 5.8M/ A5.8, Specification for Filler Metals for Brazing and Braze Welding, 2004 2010 .

AWS B2.1, Specification for Welding Procedures and Performance Qualification, 2009.

AWS B2.2/B 2.2M , Standard for Brazing Procedure and Performance Qualification, 1991 3 rd edition .

2.3. 5 52.3.4 IEEE Publications.

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Three Park Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY10016-5997.

IEEE /ASTM- SI - 10 , American National Standard Practice for Use of the International System ofUnits (SI): The Modern Metric System , 2002 For Metric Practice , 2012 .

2.3. 6 62.3.5 Other Publications.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., Springfield, MA, 2003.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input


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Updated edition dates to current editions, change in address for American Welding Society, and elimination of ANSI due to development by ASME and IEEE.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

Related Input Relationship

Public Input No. 37-NFPA 15-2014 [Chapter C]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Aaron Adamczyk

Organization: [ Not Specified ]

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Submittal Date: Sat Jun 07 21:45:01 EDT 2014


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Public Input No. 32-NFPA 15-2014 [ Section No. 2.3.3 ]

2.3.3 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A 53/A53M , Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Zinc-Coated, Welded andSeamless, 2007 2012 .

ASTM A 135/A135M , Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 2009.

ASTM A 182/A182M , Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-Steel Pipe Flanges, ForgedFittings, and Valves and Parts for High-Temperature Service, 2009 2014A .

ASTM A 234/A234M , Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel forModerate and High Temperature Service, 2007 2013e1 .

ASTM A 312/A312M , Standard Specification for Seamless Welded and Heavily Cold Worked AusteniticStainless Steel Pipes, 2009 2014 .

ASTM A 536, Standard Specification for Ductile Iron Castings, -84( 2009) .

ASTM A 795/A795M , Standard Specification for Black and Hot-Dipped Zinc-Coated (Galvanized) Weldedand Seamless Steel Pipe for Fire Protection Use, 2008 2013 .

ASTM B 75, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube, 2002 2011 .

ASTM B 88, Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube, 2009.

ASTM B 251, Standard Specification for General Requirements for Wrought Seamless Copper andCopper-Alloy Tube, 2002 2010 .

ASTM D 323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method),2008 08(2014) .


Update to current year dates.


Submitter Full Name: Steve Mawn

Organization: ASTM International

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3.3.2* Combustible Liquid.

Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point at or above 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the appropriatetest procedures and apparatus.

4.5 Flammable and combustible liquids.

4.5.1 The test procedures and apparatus to assess whether a liquid is a flammable or combustible liquidare set forth in Section 4.4 of NFPA 30. Combustible liquids are

4.5.2 The Reid vapor pressure shall not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kPa) at 100°F(37.8°C), as determined by ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products(Reid Method).

4.5.3 Flammable and combustible liquids shall be classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30. [ 30,2012]


Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style.



Public Input No. 26-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 3.3.11]


Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

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3.3.10 * Fire Area.

For the purpose of this standard, an area that is physically separated from other areas by space, barriers,walls, or other means in order to contain fire within that area .


Fire Areas in NFPA 15 are not necessarily meant to contain a fire, but are merely the maximum constraints of a single water spray system. Section 7.1.10.2, specifically (2) and (5), shows that it is not the intent of this standard to limit a fire to a single fire area.

7.1.10.2* The number of systems expected to operate simultaneously shall be determined by evaluating the following factors:(1)Possible flow of burning liquids between areas before or during operation of the water spray systems(2)Possible flow of hot gases between fire areas that could actuate adjoining systems, thereby increasing demand(3)Flammable gas detection set to automatically actuate systems(4)Manual operation of multiple systems(5)Other factors that would result in operation of systems outside of the primary fire area


Submitter Full Name: Roland Asp

Organization: National Fire Sprinkler Association

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3.3.11* Flammable Liquid.

Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point below 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the appropriate testprocedures and apparatus.

4.5 Flammable and combustible liquids.

4.5.1 The test procedures and apparatus to assess whether a liquid is a flammable or combustible liquidare set forth in Section 4.4 of NFPA 30

, and a

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4.5.2 The Reid vapor pressure

that does

of flammable or combustible liquids shall not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kPa) at 100°F(37.8°C), as determined by ASTM

D 323

D323 , Standard Test Method for Vapor Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method) .

4.5.3 Flammable and combustible liquids are shall be classified according to Section 4.3 of NFPA 30.[ 30, 2012]


Definitions cannot contain requirements based on other codes, standards or regulations and the requirements must be in the body of the standard, per the NFPA Manual of Style.



Public Input No. 25-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 3.3.2]


Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

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Public Input No. 22-NFPA 15-2014 [ New Section after 3.3.16 ]

3.3.17 Qualified.

A competent and capable person or company that has met the requirements and training for a given fieldacceptable to the AHJ.


This suggested revision adds the definition of "qualified" to the standard, and is related to Public Input #21 that adds the term "qualified person" to section 4.3. These two Public Inputs suggest revision to the standard to follow the format of other NFPA standards. This definition was extracted from NFPA 96, section 3.3.41. This definition was chosen over the definition of "qualified person" in NFPA 80 because it is simplified, requires acceptance of the AHJ and does not utilize a laundry list more suited for an annex provision. We also suggest petitioning the NFPA Standards Council to consider using one definition for all standards using the term "qualified" or "qualified person" as an Official Definition.



Public Input No. 21-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 4.3]


Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, Washington

Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)

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4.2.1

A study shall A hazard risk analysis shall be made of the physical and chemical properties of the materialsfor which the water spray protection is being considered and a fire risk analysis to determine theadvisability of its use.


The word “study” is too vague and provides little direction. Hazard risk analysis and fire risk analysis are both defined NFPA terms and are specific and applicable to this standard.


Submitter Full Name: Kelly Nicolello

Organization: Western Regional Fire Code Dev

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Submittal Date: Tue Apr 01 18:48:04 EDT 2014


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Public Input No. 21-NFPA 15-2014 [ Section No. 4.3 ]

4.3 * Workmanship.

Water spray system design, layout, and installation shall be entrusted to fully experienced and responsibleparties only performed by qualified persons .


The existing text is not clear. This suggested revision would clarify the intent of the provision and utilize text already used in other NFPA documents. This revision eliminates unenforceable terms such as "entrusted" and "fully experienced." This Public Input is related to another Public Input that would add the definition of "qualified persons" from NFPA 96.



Public Input No. 22-NFPA 15-2014 [New Section after 3.3.16]





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4.4.4 *

Where the protected hazard involves the possible release of flammable or combustible liquids, the drainagesystem shall be designed to safely handle burning liquids, be dedicated to this one purpose and notinterconnected to the facility normal drainage system . .


Combustible and flammable liquids are not to be allowed into common drain systems without proper water fuel separation or containment sump for environmental and fire protection safety. The way the section is currently written the drainage system only needs to withstand burning liquids.




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A. 4.4 .6

Open trenches and ditches shall should be routed so as not to expose fire fighters, critical equipment andpiping, other important structures, or property of others.


How is an AHJ to measure avoidance of exposure of fire fighters? This provision in the standard is not measurable. And the term “exposure” is not clearly defined. This is appropriate as guidance in the annex, rather than a requirement in the body of the standard. An alternative to this suggestion is to revise the provision to direct flow away from specific areas, which would be measureable.




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4.4.10

The water and liquids drained from protected areas shall be collected and , separated and treated asrequired by local regulations.


Adding the word “separated” adds clarity to the requirement.




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Public Input No. 18-NFPA 15-2014 [ New Section after 5.1.2.3 ]

5.1.2.4

Component parts for which a listing is unavailable may be utilized if their required performance individuallyand within assembly is analyzed and verified by a fire protection engineer or other qualified designprofessional acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction, provided the unlisted component is also foundto be acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction.


It appears the standard prohibits unlisted components. This will allow the use of certain unlisted components that would be acceptable otherwise.





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5.10.4

Connections shall be equipped with approved plugs or caps.


Remove section it is repetitive with section 5.10.2.


Submitter Full Name: Doug Hohbein

Organization: Northcentral Fire Code Develop

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Public Input No. 19-NFPA 15-2014 [ Section No. 6.2.1.4 ]

6.2.1.4

Where acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction approved , sprinklers shall be permitted to be used inwater spray systems and installed in positions other than anticipated by their listing to achieve specificresults where special situations require.


This Public Input intends to simplify the provision and follow the NFPA Manual of Style. The definition of “approved” means “Acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction.” Section 2.3.2.6 of the NFPA Manual of Style states that “Existing official definitions contained in the Regulations Governing Committee Projects shall be used where applicable.





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6.3.3.7

Drain connections shall be sized as shown in Table 6.3.3.7.

Table 6.3.3.7 Drain Size

Riser or Main Size

(in.)Size of Drain Connection (in.)

Up to 2 3 ⁄ 4 or larger

2 1 ⁄ 2 , 3, 3 1 ⁄ 2

1 1 ⁄

3/ 4 or larger

4 and larger

2 only

3/4 or larger

Note: For SI units, 1 in. = 25.4 mm.


The minimum requirments for drain sizes are given in tabel 6.3.3.7. Due to the fact that these systems normally will not be operated or tested under freezing conditions, there is no need to drain the piping within a couple of minutes. Therefore it is my opinion that a drain of 3/4" will be sufficient at all times. Even when there is an incident and the system will be activated at temperatures far below freezing point, a 3/4" drain will be sufficient to drain the piping in a relativly short time.


Submitter Full Name: Hans Luijmes

Organization: Dept. Industrial Safety of the Regional Firebrigade Rotterdam-Rijnmond

Affilliation: Veiligheidsregio Rotterdam-Rijnmond

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Submittal Date: Tue Jun 03 01:53:55 EDT 2014


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7.3.3.1

Subsection 7.3.3 shall apply to the control of pool fires resulting from a flammable or combustible liquidspill.


Already covered in 7.3.3



Public Input No. 12-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 7.3.3.2] another part of 7.3.3


Submitter Full Name: Peter Willse

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7.3.3.2

The water spray system shall be designed to apply a net rate of not less than 0.30 gpm/ft 2 [12.2

(L/min)/m 2 ] of protected area.


Alrerady stated in 7.3.3



Public Input No. 27-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 7.3.3.1]


Submitter Full Name: Peter Willse

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Submittal Date: Sat Apr 12 12:55:45 EDT 2014


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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 15-2014 [ New Section after 7.4.3.4 ]

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7.4.3.4.1 Nozzles shall be directed toward the wetted surface of the column (see Figure 7.4.3.1)

7.4.3.4.2* Nozzles shall be spaced not less than 10 ft. on center with each alternate nozzle located on theopposite side of the column.

A.7.4.3.4.2 Nozzles need to be located on opposites sides of the column with every other nozzle on theopposite side. This will result in an arrangement such that the nozzles on one side alone will be 20 ft.apart, but all nozzles will be 10 ft. apart.

7.4.3.4.3 Nozzles shall extend the full length of the column, or until a fire rated barrier is reached.


NFPA 15, as currently written, provides little or no guidance on how the nozzles should be positioned or located when used to protect a steel column. This addition will provide that guidance.


Submitter Full Name: Jeffery Sutton

Organization: Global Risk Consultants

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Public Input No. 34-NFPA 15-2014 [ Sections 7.4.4.6, 7.4.4.7 ]

Sections 7.4.4.6, 7.4.4.7

7.4.4.6

Nozzles shall be positioned such that the water spray does not envelop energized bushings or lightningarresters surge protection devices(SPD) by direct impingement.

7.4.4.7

Direct impingement of water spray on energized bushings and/or lightning arresters surge protectiondevices(SPD) shall be permitted only when authorized by the manufacturer or manufacturer’s literature andthe owner.


Proposal is submitted to clarify the new accepted term of "Surge Protection Device(SPD)". This phrase is consistent with other NFPA documents, as well as UL standards.


Submitter Full Name: Mark Morgan

Organization: East Coast Lightning Equipment

Affilliation: NFPA 780 References Task Group

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8.2.1.2

Deviation from approved plans shall require written permission by the design professional of the revisedplans and approval by the authority having jurisdiction.


The design professional is responsible for the overall plan. It is important that the design professional agree with changes being made to the plan. A good example is the design change that occurred to the skywalk in Kansas City that collapsed, with devastating effects. In that case, a change was made to the plan that the design professional was unaware. Written permission from the design professional is needed for verification.





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Public Input No. 16-NFPA 15-2014 [ New Section after 8.4 ]

8.4.1 Water supply information shall be current within 12 months of the plan submittal.


Although NFPA 15 currently requires detailed water supply information to be provided on the plans, there is no requirement regarding how current this information needs to be. Water supply information current within 1 year is a common practice and also required by NFPA 13, 23.2.1.1.


Submitter Full Name: Jeffery Sutton

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8.5.3.10

Pipe friction loss shall be calculated in accordance with the Hazen-Williams formula, using C values asshown in Table 8.5.3.10, and using the actual internal pipe diameter in the formula.

Table 8.5.3.10 Hazen-Williams C Value for Pipe and Tube

Pipe or TubeHazen-Williams

C Value

Unlined cast or ductile iron 100

Galvanized steel (all) 120

Black Steel (all) 120

Plastic (listed) — underground 150

Cement lined cast or ductile iron 140

Copper tube or stainless steel 150


Water filled black steel pipe is permitted by NFPA 15 (see section 5.3.6.3 - "Water-filled steel piping shall be permitted to be black steel."). As black steel piping is allowed, the Hazen-C Value for water filled black steel should be included in Table 8.5.3.10 of NFPA 15. This c value (120) was taken from NFPA 13, table 23.4.4.7.1.




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Public Input No. 7-NFPA 15-2013 [ New Section after 10.2.5 ]

10.2.6 Flushing operations shall occur through a strainer, screen, filter or othermethod to visually ensure piping is clear of debris. Openings in the strainer, screen,filter, or other method shall not be more that 1/8 inches in diameter.


Provides prescriptive details with pipe flushing process.




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Submittal Date: Tue Sep 24 19:34:15 EDT 2013


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Public Input No. 36-NFPA 15-2014 [ Chapter 11 ]

Chapter 11 System Inspection, Testing and Maintenance

11.1 General.

11.1.1

A water spray system installed in accordance with this standard shall be properly inspected, tested, andmaintained in accordance with NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance ofWater-Based Fire Protection Systems, and NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code, to provide atleast the same level of performance and protection as designed.

11.1.2

The owner shall be responsible for conducting system inspection, testing, and maintenance andmaintaining the system in operating condition.


NFPA 25 also addresses inspections and testing of fire protection systems.




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Public Input No. 37-NFPA 15-2014 [ Chapter C ]

Annex C Informational References

C.1 Referenced Publications.

The documents or portions thereof listed in this annex are referenced within the informational sections ofthis standard and are not part of the requirements of this document unless also listed in Chapter 2 for otherreasons.

C.1.1 NFPA Publications.

National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.

NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, 2010 edition 2016 .

NFPA 14, Standard for the Installation of Standpipe and Hose Systems, 2010 edition 2016 .

NFPA 24, Standard for the Installation of Private Fire Service Mains and Their Appurtenances, 2010edition 2016 .

NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2012 edition 2015 .

NFPA 68, Standard on Explosion Protection by Deflagration Venting, 2007 edition 2013 .

NFPA 69, Standard on Explosion Prevention Systems, 2008 edition 2014 .

NFPA 750, Standard on Water Mist Fire Protection Systems, 2010 edition 2015 .

NFPA 1964, Standard for Spray Nozzles, 2008 edition 2013 .

Fire Protection Guide to Hazardous Materials, 2001 edition 2008 .

C.1.2 Other Publications.

C.1.2.1 ANSI ASME Publications.

American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor, New York, NY 10036.

ANSI/ASME B1.20.1, Pipe Threads, General Purpose , 1983.

C.1.2.2 ASME Publications.

American Society of Mechanical Engineers, ASME International , Three Park Avenue, New York, NY10016-5990.

ASME B.1.20.1, Pipe Threads, General Purpose (inch) , 1983 2013 .

Transactions of the ASME, January 1944, 1–53. “Requirements for relief of pressure in vessels exposed tofire,” “Venting of tanks exposed to fire,” and “Heat input to vessels.”

C.1.2. 3 2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, PO. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A 135/A 135M , Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 1993 2009,reapproved 2014 .

C.1.2. 4 3 CSB Publications.

U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, 2175 K Street NW, Washington, DC 20037.

CSB Report No. 2004-10-I-IL, Vinyl Chloride and Monomer Explosion, March 2007.

C.1.2. 5 4 NIST Publications.

National Institute of Standards and Technology, 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 1070, Gaithersburg, MD20899-1070.

Mawhinney, J. R. “Engineering Criteria for Water Mist Fire Suppression Systems.” Presented at Water MistFire Suppression Workshop, March 1–2, 1993.

C.1.2. 6 5 National Technical Information Service Publications.

National Technical Information Service, 5285 Port Royal 5301 Shawnee Road, Springfield Alexanderia ,VA 22161 22312 .

U.S. Department of Defense Standard DOD 6055.9-STD, Ammunition and Explosives Safety Standards.


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C.1.2. 7 6 Other Publications.

Rubber Reserve Company Memorandum 123, “Protection of Vessels Exposed to Fire.”

C.2 Informational References.

The following documents or portions thereof are listed here as informational resources only. They are not apart of the requirements of this document.

Requirements for Relief of Overpressure in Vessels Exposed to Fire, J. J. Duggan, C. H. Gilmour, P. F.Fisher.

Rubber Reserve Company Memorandum 89, November 19, 1944, “Heat Input to Vessels.”

Sprinkler Hydraulics and What It’s All About, Harold S. Wass, Jr., Society of Fire Protection Engineers, April2000.

C.3 References for Extracts in Informational Sections.

NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code, 2012 edition 2015 .


Referenced current editions.



Public Input No. 24-NFPA 15-2014 [Section No. 2.3] Referenced current editions.


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Public Input No. 33-NFPA 15-2014 [ Section No. C.1.2.3 ]

C.1.2.3 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, PO. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A 135/A35M , Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded Steel Pipe, 1993 09(2014) .


Update to latest year date.


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Submittal Date: Wed Jul 02 15:34:21 EDT 2014


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Attachment #3: Committee Roster

Address List No PhoneWater Spray Fixed Systems WAS-AAA

Chad Duffy10/01/2014

WAS-AAA

Kerry M. Bell

ChairUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Jeff Hebenstreit

RT 4/15/2004WAS-AAA

Robert M. Gagnon

SecretaryGagnon Engineering2660 Daisy RoadWoodbine, MD 21797

SE 7/1/1993

WAS-AAA

Luis F. Arango

PrincipalXL Global Asset Protection Services21707 Shallow Glen LaneKaty, TX 77450Alternate: Kenneth W. Linder

I 08/09/2012WAS-AAA

Roland A. Asp

PrincipalNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164National Fire Sprinkler AssociationContractor/InstallerAlternate: Edward F. Kadlec

IM 07/29/2013

WAS-AAA

Ralph E. Bless, Jr.

PrincipalTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339Alternate: Tracey D. Bellamy

SE 10/27/2009WAS-AAA

Kevin F. Carrier

PrincipalMiami-Dade Fire Rescue DepartmentFire Prevention DivisionFire Engineering & Water Supply Bureau11805 SW 26th Street, Suite 150Miami, FL 33175

E 7/14/2004

WAS-AAA

Gary A. Fadorsen

PrincipalPyrotech International Inc.1980 Stony Hill RoadPO Box 76Hinckley, OH 44233

IM 7/1/1996WAS-AAA

Brian E. Fisher

PrincipalRoad Sprinkler Fitters LU 6693907 Woodside DriveRichmond, IN 47374United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryAlternate: Gregory A. Bartels

L 08/09/2012

WAS-AAA

Harvey E. Goranson

PrincipalUT-Batelle at Oak Ridge National Lab1 Bethel Valley Road, MS6424PO Box 2008Oak Ridge, TN 37831

U 1/1/1988WAS-AAA

David R. Hague

PrincipalLiberty Mutual Insurance20 Riverside RoadWeston, MA 02493-2231Alternate: Matt Pognant

I 3/4/2009

WAS-AAA

Scott D. Henderson

PrincipalFireman’s Fund Insurance Company7 Hilltop Farm RoadAuburn, MA 01501Alternate: Robert V. Scholes

I 7/14/2004WAS-AAA

James M. Maddry

PrincipalJames M. Maddry, P.E.3680 Foxfire PlaceMartinez, GA 30907

SE 1/1/1991

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Christy J. Marsolo

PrincipalTyco/SimplexGrinnell13500 Darice Parkway, Suite AStrongville, OH 44149Alternate: Terry L. Victor

M 1/1/1992WAS-AAA

Randall A. McCune

PrincipalTri-State Fire Protection, Inc.10577 Oak Grove RoadNewburgh, IN 47630

IM 3/1/2011

WAS-AAA

David A. Moore, Jr.

PrincipalGlendale Fire Department30 Village SquareGlendale, OH 45246

E 10/6/2000WAS-AAA

E. Parks Moore

PrincipalS & S Sprinkler Company, LLCPO Box 7453Mobile, AL 36670American Fire Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: John F. Viola

IM 11/2/2006

WAS-AAA

David S. Mowrer

PrincipalConsolidated Nuclear SecurityY-12 National Security Complex140 Amanda DriveOak Ridge, TN 37830

U 8/9/2011WAS-AAA

Thomas L. Multer

PrincipalReliable Automatic Sprinkler Company, Inc.1470 Smith Grove RoadLiberty, SC 29657National Fire Sprinkler AssociationManufacturerAlternate: Michael J. Bosma

M 1/18/2001

WAS-AAA

Roz Nielsen

PrincipalBC Hydro6911 Southpoint DriveBurnaby, BC V3N 4X8 Canada

U 10/27/2009WAS-AAA

Thomas A. Noble

PrincipalCity of Henderson, Building & Fire Safety240 Water StreetPO Box 95050Henderson, NV 89009-5050

E 3/21/2006

WAS-AAA

Larry W. Owen

PrincipalDooley Tackaberry, Inc.1515 West 13th StreetPO Box 9700Deer Park, TX 77536Alternate: Darren Lee Hance

IM 10/1/1999WAS-AAA

Richard Philbrick

PrincipalShell Oil CompanyShell Technology Center Houston3333 Highway 6 SouthHouston, TX 77082-3101American Petroleum InstituteAlternate: James A. Masingh

U 08/11/2014

WAS-AAA

Rick R. Schartel

PrincipalPPL Generation, LLCTwo North Ninth Street, GEN-PL6Allentown, PA 18101-1139Edison Electric Institute

U 1/1/1987WAS-AAA

James R. Streit

PrincipalLos Alamos National LaboratoryPO Box 1663, Mail Stop K493Los Alamos, NM 87545

U 7/1/1994

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Jeffery W. Sutton

PrincipalGlobal Risk Consultants Corporation350 Highway 7, Suite 220Excelsior, MN 55331-3170

SE 7/28/2006WAS-AAA

Dennis W. Taylor

PrincipalWorleyParsons, Inc.Southwest OfficePO Box 271787Houston, TX 77277-1787Alternate: Lawrence H. Cook

SE 1/18/2001

WAS-AAA

Michael J. Wojcik

PrincipalHughes Associates/RJA Group668 North 44th Street, Suite 204WPhoenix, AZ 85008-6585Alternate: Jeffrey S. Grove

SE 08/11/2014WAS-AAA

Jarrett Zuspan

PrincipalState of Alaska Department of Public SafetyDivision of Fire & Life Safety13441 Spenolove DriveAnchorage, AK 99516

E 3/1/2011

WAS-AAA

Gregory A. Bartels

AlternateSprinkler Fitters LU 669-JATC7050 Oakland Mills Road, Suite 100Columbia, MD 21046United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting IndustryPrincipal: Brian E. Fisher

L 08/09/2012WAS-AAA

Tracey D. Bellamy

AlternateTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339Principal: Ralph E. Bless, Jr.

SE 10/18/2011

WAS-AAA

Michael J. Bosma

AlternateThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058National Fire Sprinkler AssociationManufacturerPrincipal: Thomas L. Multer

M 4/17/2001WAS-AAA

Lawrence H. Cook

AlternateWorleyParsons, Inc.2520 Wheeler StreetHouston, TX 77004Principal: Dennis W. Taylor

SE 10/29/2012

WAS-AAA

Jeffrey S. Grove

AlternateHughes Associates/RJA Group376 East Warm Springs Road, Suite 210Las Vegas, NV 89119Principal: Michael J. Wojcik

SE 11/2/2006WAS-AAA

Darren Lee Hance

AlternateDooley Tackaberry, Inc.1515 West 13th StreetDeer Park, TX 77536Principal: Larry W. Owen

IM 10/23/2013

WAS-AAA

Jeff Hebenstreit

AlternateUL LLC484 Tamarach DriveEdwardsville, IL 62025-5246Underwriters Laboratories Inc.Principal: Kerry M. Bell

RT 08/11/2014WAS-AAA

Edward F. Kadlec

AlternateC. L. Doucette, Inc.3610 South Morgan StreetChicago, IL 60609-1588National Fire Sprinkler AssociationContractor/InstallerPrincipal: Roland A. Asp

IM 08/09/2012

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Kenneth W. Linder

AlternateSwiss Re2 Waterside Crossing, Suite 200Windsor, CT 06095Principal: Luis F. Arango

I 1/1/1987WAS-AAA

James A. Masingh

AlternateChevron Energy Technology CompanySafety Technology Unit3901 Briarpark Drive, BP552Houston, TXAmerican Petroleum InstitutePrincipal: Richard Philbrick

U 08/11/2014

WAS-AAA

Matt Pognant

AlternateLiberty Mutual Property2725 Ivy Brook LaneBuford, GA 30519Principal: David R. Hague

I 8/5/2009WAS-AAA

Robert V. Scholes

AlternateFireman's Fund Insurance Company16200 Pacific Highway, Unit 26Lake Oswego, OR 97034Principal: Scott D. Henderson

I 7/14/2004

WAS-AAA

Terry L. Victor

AlternateTyco/SimplexGrinnell705 Digital Drive, Suite NLinthicum, MD 21090-2267Principal: Christy J. Marsolo

M 1/1/1989WAS-AAA

John F. Viola

Alternate10 Chestnut Hill RoadSouth Hadley, MA 01075American Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: E. Parks Moore

IM 08/02/2010

WAS-AAA

Chad Duffy

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/18/2011

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