Stephen Kay Doubted Altenburger's Guilt (April 20, 1974)

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8/4/2019 Stephen Kay Doubted Altenburger's Guilt (April 20, 1974) http://slidepdf.com/reader/full/stephen-kay-doubted-altenburgers-guilt-april-20-1974 1/2 n Nov. 16 a young Tucso- nlan was charged in Los Angeles with murder an d in connection with a 15 apartment house fire which killed 25 persons — the worst residential fire In that history. The charges were dismissed. e following is an account by o Lo s Angeles Times report- youth's ordeal while police custody. It had been quick work. Within seven hours of the Stratford Apartment fire, Lo s Angeles police picked up an 18-year-old Tucson transient with a record of setting fires. Within 16 hours, Michael A l- tenburger was booked for murder. Al l the dead still had not been identified when a head- line proclaimed, "Transient Admits Setting Apartment Fire, Officials Say." Three positive identifica- tions and a "confession" sup- ported th e case against Alten- burger and nearly three months after his arrest he was ordered to stand trial on 25 counts of murder and an arson charge. Two days later, he was cleared. In six hours, Deputy Dist. Atty. Stephen Kay, Deputy Public Defender Stan- ley Mathiescn, Los Angeles Police Department Sgt. Jo e Goodman and Investigator Alex Acosta estabished that he was innocent. Within hours Altenburger was freed, only to be tailed into the San Gabriel Valley by members of the Los Angeles Fire Department's Arson Detail. "This is 1984, 10 years be- fore," his attorney, Mathiescn, charged. "He's a known pyromani- ac," insisted arson detail Capt. William McDaniel, "and we should know where he's located." With money largely donated personally by his attorney an d Dist. Atty. Joseph P. Busch, Altenburger left, declining to talk about what had happened. "I'm getting out of here," he told Mathiescn. He had been arrested, lied to , pressured an d kept in isola- tion for 85 days. He had been badly frightened. But he had been lucky, he could have spent th e rest of his life in jail. Michael Allenburger, a skin- ny six-footer in a green cordu- roy coat, tan corduroy pants an d green shirt, got off the Greyhound bu s from Tucson in downtown Los Angeles and walked west to see the ocean. It was shortly after 8:30 a.m. Nov. 15, a week after his 18th birthday. He had from J3 to ?5, two Tucson bus tokens, a used bus ticket and a book, "Star Trek Night." Like others w ho sometime suddenly leave a place, th e brown-haired 125-pound teen- ager ha d left Tucson to escape unpleasantness. He had been in trouble fo r setting fires, an d he ha d argued with his mother again. So, he left it all be- hind. He thought. W i t h in 24 hours he would be th e suspect in the most dread- fu l fire in city history and he would be trying to describe a 21-hour odyssey in a strange city. His wanderings ended on a bu s bench at the San Diego Freeway and Sunset Boule- vard, 2.7 miles west of UCLA and 13.8 miles from where the old, mustard-colo red, three- storied Stratford had burned th e night before. "Why are you out here at this time of the morning?" asked traffic officer Terry Schauer. "I'm trying to get to Venice, to the beach," Altenburger said. At first, Schauer and his partner, Robert Kehoe, thought he might be a run- away . H e had no identifica- tion, less than a dollar and, to them, he looked about 16 . It didn't take long, however, for them to think of Altenburg- er as perhaps their most im - portant arrest. His manner made them suspicious: very calm and cool at first, then for no apparent reason extremely nervous, wiping sweaty hands on his pants. When asked, Altenburger told Schauer an d Kehoe about his arson record and they learned he had arrived at the bus depot on 6th Street less than 16 hours before the Strat- ford fire - at 1735 W. G th St. The possibility was obvious: if Altenburger ha d walked west on 6lh, he would have passed the Stratford. The teen-ager's speech sometimes sounded strangled as he told Schauer and Kehoe an d later others what he ha d done from bu s depot to bus bench. He spoke as a stranger about people he saw, what he ate, stores he entered and places he visited. But except fo r the La Brea Tar Pits and a McDonald's most- had no names. Walking ha d been uncom- fortable. His slip-on shoes were n ot meant fo r hiking on concrete, but by noon, he said, he had walked to Hollywood. He recalled getting a ride with a man who asked him if he was "gay" and let him out soon after he said he wasn't, He remembered meeting a demented man, eating potato salad, climbing a hill to see the ocean, getting a map to find the tar pils an d finally arriving there at 7:3(1 p.m. He claimed he went into two department stores, took a bus on Wilshire, ate chili at an all- night restaurant, rested at a McDonald's an d tried to sleep in a building alcove tw o blocks away. He recounted his anger at a ,man and woman w ho heard him swear at not being able to find a place to sleep and who tauntingly offered to take hi m with them. Finally, he said, he walked past fraternity and sorority houses and stretched ou t on a bus bench to rest. Th e jump to a conclusion took only a mini-leap: Suppose that instead of rid- in g toward UCLA from the tar pits, Altenburg er took the bus downtown? He would have passed within a block of the Stratford. He could have set th e fire in anger at the couple who had treated hi m with contempt. Schauer and Kehoe still were completing paperwork when copies of the Los An- geles Times arrived at the West Los Angeles police sta- tion. Folding a paper to a pic- ture of the burning Stratford, Schauer asked, "I s this th e Tucsonian Michael Altenburger photographed shortly 1 after hi s arrest. The Altenburger Affair: A search for justice By John Kendall and William Farr apartment house you were at last night?" "And he looked at the pic- ture briefly," Schauer said, "and hi s eyes went down to the continuation of the story from th e front page, which said words to the effect, Twenty-five dead, forty in - jured in apartment blaze.' "And his eyes Jooked at the words and he looked away from ' the paper an d started muttering to himself hurriedly words to the effect or stating, 'Dead, Death, Dead,' a num- ber of times extremely fast." "No. No. I don't know any- thing about it," Altenburger said. Schauer and Kehoe handed th e youth along to an investi- gator who would report by early afternoon that Alten- burger had confessed. Altenburger w as delivered in handcuffs to the brick an d glass Rampart Station, a mile and a half from the Stratford. On the way there, Schauer had seen something to report. H is partner had lighted a cigarette, Schauer said, and Altenburger had jumped, turned toward the flame and stared as if hypnotized. Th e second interrogation began at 7:30 a.m. Altenburg- er agreed to talk to Investiga- - tor Michael 0. Lambert an d Sgt. L. M. Orozco without an attorney present. He had been 16 in Septemb- er, 1 972, he told officers, when Tucson authorities arrested him fo r setting alley fires. He had fired a trash bi n five times and set fire to a nearby shed. After a year in the Fort Grant Industrial School For Boys, an Arizona correctional institution, he had been as - signed to the Columbus Half- wa y House in Tucson. He had been released last Nov. 8, his 18th birthday. He ha d argued with his mother, Maria C. Henry. She ha d left and he thought she was going to call police, so he took the 11:20 p.m. bus for Los Angeles. Later, others would learn that Altenburger was an only child, born in Germany; that he had thought of killing his mother; that she had been divorced, wed an American soldier and divorced again; that he had gone to school through the 9th grade and liked mathematics. He would be described as intelligent, introverted, malad- justed, lacking self-confi- dence, inarticulate and so extremely self-conscious he thought people always were looking at him. At Rampart that morning, however, Lambert probed for motive. He asked Altenburger about the alcove where he tried to sleep and the youth offered to sketch it. "Okay, there's this complex right underneath here," he explained. "And there were a number of other buildings along with this, apartments. An d there was this area right here there were two doors out here. "And I remained here be- cause it was well-lighted an d it was fairly warm, see." Altenburger said the build- in g w as white, modern, about 10 stories, not far from Wil- shire Boulevard and in the same area where he ate a bowl of chili and a McDonald's where he stayed because he w as tired. His word description would be used later to identify th e alcove because the sketch Altenburger drew w as miss- ing. But that, too, would come later. For the moment, he was listening to a proposal. "Okay," Lambert said. "We'd like to give you a poly- graph examination and we can do that right now. And if you show that you've been truthful with us and you're truthful about not being involved in this we're going to release you. Would yo u like to do that so you can be on your way?" "Yes," Altenburger agreed. "Okay," th e detective con- tinued, "because we do have some people that sa w some- body that fits your description around that area." At that time, no one ha d identified Altenburger. It was Lambert's first deception. His second came a bit later. He was collecting the youth's change, bus tokens and used bus ticket, when he suddenly asked, "Are these yours?" "No," Altenburger said. "You see, I don't carry matches or anything of this type. I do not carry lighters or anything." He stared at a book of matches he had never seen before. Polygraph examiner Ray Inglin, a 19-year LAPD veter- an wearing a white smock, began a two-hour lie detector test at Parker Center as Lambert watched through a one-way window. It was about 9:30 a.m. Like the others, Inglin pur- sued Altenburger through his wanderings, then prepared th e teen-ager to respect — and fear — the equipment which would hum and scratch hi s involuntary responses on graph paper. Inglin explained that each pin would be hooked to Alten- burger to measure and write a message about his heart, gal- vanic skin response and respi-. ration. "And so," he said, "there is a lie detector in this room. W ho do you think that is?" "Me," responded Altenburg- er. "That's you," Inglin said. "You're the lie detector. You know what's inside your body. Yo u know what's behind your eyeballs." He balanced his equipment, then gauged Altenburger's responses by ordering him to lie about the color of a num- ber on the wall. "I won't have any trouble reading your charts," he said. "If you were anywhere around that building last night, that's th e fire we're talking about," Inglin said, showing Altenburger a news- paper picture of the burnin g Stratford. "Does that look like the alcove you went into?" "No," Altenburger said. "It w as a building which w as much taller." Question — Can you be cer- tain of that? Answer — I'm positive. Q. You had some matches on you when they picked yo u up. Where'd you get those matches? (Pause) You had a red book of matches on you. A. I don't know. ' Q. W e l l, where did they come from? Did you pick them up in a restaurant? A. I just don't think any- where. Q. What are you going to tell m e? You're telling me those aren't your matches? Just tell the truth. You don't believe they're your matches. A. They are not my match- es. Inglin told Altenburger he had $3,500 worth of equipment to help prove the teen-ager's innocence if he didn't set the fire, but he said if the youth w as lying he'd have to help himself. "You understand that?" Inglin said. "Now, I know you're a stranger in town and all those things. I want you to take that piece of paper an d lay it right on top of there an d pu t your right hand over th e top of it. "No. Put it right up on the desk over there where your hand is, and just lay your hand right on it. Now that's what we're talking about is that hotel. Right? No other hotel. Now if you didn't se t that one, then that's all I'm concerned about. You didn't set any other fires at any oth- er locations did you?" "No," Altenburger said. "I did not." "Other than what we're talking about here, huh?" Inglin said, "andyou say you didn't even se t this one." Altenburger replied, "That's right." Inglin returned again an d again to ask whether th e youth had set any fires in Los Angeles. The answer was always, "No,"bu t sometimes Altenburger seemed equivo- cal. "You're positive?" Inglin asked at one point. "Or, are you saying you had some laps- es of memory. Do you think you had a lapse of memory last night?" Altenburger said, "The thing is — the matches. If there were matches on my person, then I think I would have doubts and believe maybe I did and did not know it." The LAPD's polygraph equipment has a capability which Inglin tested early in th e examination: a tone sounds when questions ar e asked. It is supposed to change tone according to bodi- ly responses. Now, in a final series of questions, Inglin used the tone an d Altenburger again denied setting the fire. Finally, Inglin Continued on page 4 20, 1974 TUCSON DAILY CITIZEN PAGE 3

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n Nov. 16 a young Tucso-nlan w as charged in LosAngeles with murder an d

in c o n n ec t i o n w i t h a15 a pa r t me nt h ou se fire

which killed 25 persons — theworst residential f ire I n t h a t

history . T he chargeswere dismissed.

e f o l l owi n g is an a c c ou n t byo Lo s Angeles Times report-

youth's ordeal whi lepolice custody.

I t had been qu i c k wor k .Within seven hours of theStratford A p ar t m en t f ire , Lo sAngeles police picked up an18-year-old T u c son t r a n s i e n twith a record of sett ing f ires.Within 16 h ou r s , Mi c h a e l A l-

tenburger was booked formurder.

Al l the dead still had notbeen iden ti f ied when a head-l ine proc laimed, "T ran s ien tAd mi t s S e t t i n g A p a r tm e n tFire, O f f i c i a l s Say ."

Three posi t ive iden t if ica-t ions and a "confession" sup-ported th e case a g a i n s t Al ten-burger and nearly threemonths af ter hi s arrest he wasordered to stand tr ia l on 25counts of m u r d e r and an arsoncharge.

T w o d ay s la ter , he wascleared. I n s i x h ou r s , D e p u tyDist . Atty . S tephen Kay,

Deputy P u bl i c D e f e n d e r S t a n -ley Mathiescn , L os Ang elesPolice Department Sgt. Jo eG o o d m a n a n d In v es t i g a t o rAlex Acosta estabished that hew as i n n o c e n t .

W i t h i n h ou r s A l te n bu r g e rw as freed, only to be tai ledinto the San G a br i e l V a l le y byme mbe r s of the Los AngelesFire D e p a r tm e n t ' s ArsonDetai l .

"This is 1984, 10 ye a r s be-f o r e , " h i s a t to r n e y , Ma th i e sc n ,charged.

"He's a k n o w n p y r o m a n i -ac," insisted arson deta i lCapt . W i l l i a m M c D a n ie l , " a n dw e should k n ow wh e r e he'slocated."

W i t h m on e y l a r g e ly d on a te dpersona l ly by h is a t to r n e y an dDist. A t t y . Joseph P . B u s c h ,Al t en b u r g er l e f t , decl in ing tot a lk a bou t wh a t had happened." I ' m getting out of here," hetold Ma th i e sc n .

He had been arres ted , liedto , pressured an d kept in iso la-tion for 85 days. He had beenbadly f r i g h t e n e d . But he hadbeen lucky, he could h a vespent th e rest of h i s l i f e in j a i l .

Michael Allenburger, a sk in -ny six-footer in a green cordu-r oy c oa t , t a n c or d u r oy p a n t san d green shirt, got of f theG r ey h o u n d bu s f rom Tucsonin d own town L os A n g e le s a n dwalked west to see the ocean .

I t was shortly a f t e r 8:30a . m . N ov . 15 , a we e k a f te r his18th bi r th d a y . He had from J3to ?5 , two Tucson bu s tokens,a used bus t icket and a book ,"Star T r e k N i g h t . "

Like others w ho som e t i m esuddenly leav e a place , th ebrown-haired 125-pound teen-ager ha d le f t T u c son to escapeunpleasan tness. He had beenin trouble fo r setting f i res, an dhe ha d argued with hi s m oth e r— a g a i n . So, he l e f t it all be-hind. H e th ou g h t .

W ithin 24 hours he would beth e suspect in the most dread-fu l f i re in city history and hewould be try ing to describe a21-hour odyssey in a s t r a ngec i ty .

H is wanderings ended on abu s bench at the San DiegoFreew ay and Sunset Boule-

vard , 2 .7 miles west of U C L Aand 13.8 miles f rom w h ere theold, mustard-colo red, three-storied S tratford had burnedth e n ight before .

"W h y are you out here a tthis t ime of the m o r n i n g ? "asked t r af f ic of f i c e r TerrySchauer.

"I 'm try ing to get to V e n i c e ,to the b eac h , " Altenburgersa i d .

A t f i rst , Schauer and hispartner , Robert Kehoe,thought he m i g h t be a run-away . H e had no iden ti f ica-t ion , less t h a n a dollar and, to

them, he looked a b o u t 16 .

I t didn 't take long , however ,for them to t h i n k of A l te n bu r g -er as perhaps their most im -p or ta n t arrest. H i s m a n n e rm a d e them suspic ious: verycalm an d cool at f i rst , then fo rn o a p p a r e n t reason extremelynervous , wip ing swe a ty h a n d son his pants.

When asked, Altenburgertold Schauer an d K e h oe a bou this arson record and theylearned he had arr ived at thebus depot on 6th Street lesst h a n 16 h ou r s be f or e the Strat-ford fire - at 1735 W. G th St.

The possibi l i ty was obvious:if A l te n bu r g e r ha d wa lk e dwest on 6lh,he would h a v epassed the S tratford.

The teen-ager 's speechsom e t i m e s sou n d e d s t r a n g le das he told Schauer and Kehoe— an d later others — w h a t heha d d on e f rom bu s depot tobus bench.

He spoke as a s t ran g era b o u t people he saw,what heate, s tores he entered andplaces he vis i ted . B u t exceptfo r the La Brea Tar Pits and aM c D o n a l d ' s mo st- had non a m e s .

W a l k in g ha d be e n u n c om -fortable. H is slip-on shoeswere n ot m e a n t fo r h ik in g onconcrete, but by n o o n , he said,he had walked to Hol lywood.

He recalled gett ing a r idewith a man who asked him if

he was "gay"and le t him ou tsoon af ter he said he w a s n ' t ,

He remembered meeting ad e m e n te d m a n , e a t i n g p o ta tosalad, c l imbing a hi l l to seethe ocean , g e t t i n g a map tof i n d the tar pils an d f i n a l l yarr iving there at 7 : 3 ( 1 p . m .

He c laimed he w e n t in to twod e p a r tm e n t stores, took a buson Wilshire, at e chili a t an all-n i g h t r e s ta u r a n t , rested at aM c D o n a l d ' s an d t ried to s leepin a building alcove tw o blocksa w a y .

He recounted hi s a n g e r a t a, m a n a n d w o m a n w ho h e a r dhim swear at not being able tof i n d a place to sleep and whot a u n t i n g l y offe red to take hi mwith th e m .

• F i n a l l y , he said, he wa lk e dpast fratern i ty and sorori tyhouses and stretched ou t on abus bench to res t .

Th e j u m p to a c on c lu s i ontook only a min i- leap:

Suppose that instead of rid-in g toward U C L A f r om the tarpits , Alten burg er took the busd o w n t o w n ? H e would h a v epassed with in a block of theStra t ford . H e could have setth e fire in anger at the couplewho had treated hi m withc on te m p t .

Schauer and Kehoe sti l lwe r e c o m p le t i n g p a pe r wor kwhen copies of the Los An-geles Times arr ived at theW est Los Angeles police sta-

t ion . Folding a pa pe r to a pic -ture of the bu r n i n g S t r a t f o r d ,Schauer asked, "I s this th e

Tucsonian Michae l Al ten b u r g er photog r aphed shortly1

a f t e r hi s arrest.

TheAltenburgerA f f a i r :

A searchf o r

justiceBy John Kendall and William Farr

a p a r tm e n t h ou se y o u were atlast n i g h t ? "

"An d he looked at the pic-ture brief ly ," Schauer said," a n d hi s eyes we n t d own tothe c on t i n u a t i on of the storyfrom th e f r o n t page, whichsaid words to the ef fec t ,T w en t y - f i v e dead, f o r ty in -j u r ed i n a p a r tm e n t blaze. '

"An d his eyes Jooked at thewords and he looked awayfrom ' the paper an d star tedmuttering to himself hurriedlywords to the ef fec t or s t a t i n g ,'Dead, D e a th , D ead , ' a n u m -ber of times ex tremely f a s t . "

"No. No . I d on ' t k n ow any-th ing a bou t it," A l t e n b u r g e rsaid.

S c h a u er and Kehoe handedth e youth along to an investi -g a to r wh o wou ld report byearly af ternoon th a t Alten-burger had confessed.

Altenburger w as deliveredin h a n d c u f f s to the brick an dglass R a m p a r t S ta t i on , a m i leand a half from the S tratford.O n the way there, Schauerhad seen something to report.

H is partner had lighted acigaret te, S c h a u e r said, a n dAltenburger had jumped,turned toward the f lame andstared as if h y p n ot i ze d .

Th e second in terrogation

began at 7:30 a.m. Altenburg-er agreed to t a lk to I n ve s t i g a -

- to r Mi c h a e l 0. L a m b e r t an d

Sgt. L. M . Or ozc o wi th ou t anattorney present .

He had been 16 in Septemb-er, 1 972, he told of f icer s , wh e nTucson au thori t ies arrestedhim fo r set t ing alley f i res. Hehad fired a trash bi n f i v et imes and set f ire to a nearbyshed.

After a ye a r in the FortG r a n t I n d u s t r i a l S c h oo l F orBoys, an A r i zon a correct ionalinstitution, he had been as -signed to the Columbus Hal f -wa y H ou se in T u c son . He hadbeen released l a s t N ov . 8, his18th birthday.

H e ha d arg u ed w i t h hismother , Maria C. Henry . Sheha d left and he thought shewas going to call police, so hetook the 11:20 p.m. bus for LosAngeles.

Later , others wou ld l e a r nthat Altenburger w a s a n onlychild, born i n G e r m a n y ; th a the had th ou g h t of ki l l ing hism oth e r ; that she had beendivorced, wed an Americansoldier and divorced again ;that he had gone to schoolthrough the 9th grade a n dliked ma t he ma t ics .

He would be described asintelligent, introverted, m a la d -justed, l a c k i n g sel f - conf i-dence , inarticu late and soextremely self-conscious hethought people a lways werelooking a t h i m .

A t R a m p a r t th a t m or n i n g ,however , Lambert probed formotive . H e asked Altenburgera bou t the alcove where hetried to sleep and the y o u t hoffered to sketch it.

" Ok a y , there's this complexright u n d e r n e a th here," heexplained. "And there were an u m be r o f other bu i ld i n g salong with this , apartments.An d there was th is area r ighthere there were two doors outhere.

"And I remained here be -cause it was well-lighted an dit w a s f a i r ly wa r m , see."

Altenburger said the bu i ld-in g w as white , modern , about1 0 stories, not far f rom Wil-shire Boulevard and in thes a m e area where he ate a

bowl of c h il i a n d a Mc D o n a ld ' swhere he stayed because hew as tired.

His word description wouldbe used later to iden t ify th ealcove because the sketchAltenburger drew w as miss-ing . But that , too, would comelater. For the m o m e n t , h e w aslistening to a proposal .

" O k a y , " L am b er t said ."W e'd like to give you a poly-graph e x a m i n a t i on and we cando that right n o w . And i f youshow that y ou 've be e n t r u th f u lwith us and you're t r u t h f u l

about not being involved inthis w e ' re g o i n g to releasey o u . Wou ld yo u like to do t ha tso y ou ca n be on y ou r w a y ?"

"Yes," Altenburger agreed.

"Okay," th e detective con-t inued, "because we do havesome people that sa w some-body that f i t s y ou r descrip t iona r ou n d th a t area."

A t th a t t i m e , n o on e ha didentified Altenburger. I t w asLambert 's f ir s t deception . Hissecond came a bit later. H ewa s c o l l e c t i n g th e y ou th ' schange, bus tokens and usedbu s ticket, when he suddenlyasked, "Are these y o u r s ? "

" N o , " A l te n bu r g e r said ." Y ou see, I d on ' t ca r r y

m at c h es or any thing of thistype. I do notcarry lighters oranything ."

He stared at a book ofm a tc h e s he had never seenbefore.

P o ly g rap h ex am in er RayI n g l i n , a 19-year L A P D veter-an wearing a w h i t e s m o c k ,began a two- h ou r li e detectortest at Pa r k e r C en t er asLambert watched through aone-way wi n d ow. I t was a b o u t9:30 a . m .

Like th e others , Ing lin pur-sued Altenburg er through hiswanderings, then prepared th eteen-ager to respect — a n dfear — the e qu i p m e n t wh i c hwould h u m a n d scr a t ch hi s

i n v o l u n t a r y responses ongraph paper .

Ingl in explained that eachpin would be hooked to Alten-burger to m e a su r e a n d write ame ssa ge a bou t hi s he a r t , gal-v a n i c skin response and respi-.r a t i on .

" A n d so," he said, "there is

a lie detector in this room.W ho d o y ou t h i n k th a t is?"

"Me," responded Altenburg-er.

"That's you," Ing lin sa id."You're the lie detector. Y ouk n o w w ha t ' s inside your body .Yo u k n ow what 's behind youreyeballs."

He balanced hi s e qu i p m e n t ,

then g au g ed A l t en b u rg er ' sresponses by ordering him tolie about the color of a num-ber on the wall . "I won ' t h a ve

a n y trouble reading y ourcharts," he said.

"If you • were a n y w h e r earound that bu i lding l a s tn ight , that's th e f i r e we're

ta lk ing about," Ing lin sa id,showing Altenburger a news-paper pic ture of the burn in gStratford. "Does that look likethe alcove you went into?"

"No," Altenburger s a id . "It

w as a bui lding which w asm u c h taller."

Quest ion — Ca n y ou be cer-tain of that?

Answer — I 'm posi tive .

Q. You had some ma t che son you when they picked yo uup. W here'd you get thosematches? ( Paus e) You had ared book of matches on y ou .

A . I don 't k n o w .

' Q . W e l l, where did theycome from? Did you pickthem up in a r e s t a u r a n t ?

A . I j u s t d on ' t t h in k — a n y -where.

Q . W h a t are you going to te l lm e? You 're te l l ing m e thosearen't your matches? Jus t tellthe tru th. You don 't believethey ' re your matches.

A . They are not my match-es.

I n g l i n told Altenburger hehad $3,500 worth of e quipme nt

to help prove the teen-ager'sinnocence if he didn't set thef ire, but he said if the y o u t hw as l y i n g he'd have to helphimsel f .

" Y ou u n d e r s ta n d t h a t ? "Ing lin said. "Now, I k n owy ou ' r e a s t r a nge r i n town a n dall those things. I want you totake that piece of p a p e r an dlay i t r ight on top of there an dpu t y o u r r i g h t h a n d over th etop of it.

"No. Put it right up on thedesk over there where y o u rhand is , and jus t lay y o u rhand r ight on i t . Now that's

wh a t we're ta lk ing about isthat hotel . Right? No otherhotel. Now i f you d i d n ' t se tthat one, then that 's all I 'm

concerned about. Y o u didn 'tset any other fires a t an y oth-er locations di d y o u ? "

"No," Altenburger sa id . "Idid not."

"O t her th a n wh a t we'reta lk ing about here , h u h ? "Ing lin sa id, "andy ou sa y y oudidn't even se t thisone."

Altenburger replied, "That'sright."

Ing lin re turned a ga in an dagain to ask whether th ey o u t h had set any f i res in LosAngeles. T he a nsw e r w a sa lwa y s , "No,"bu t some t ime sAltenburger seemed equivo-cal.

"You 're posi t ive?" Ing linasked at one point . "Or, are

you say ing y ou h a d some laps-e s o f m e m or y . D o y ou th i n kyou had a lapse of m e m o r ylast n i g h t?"

A l te n bu r g e r said, "Thething i s — the ma t che s . Ifthere were matches o n m yperson , then I think I wouldhave doubts a nd believem a y b e I did and did not knowit."

T he L A P D 's p o ly g r a p he qu i p m e n t has a capabi l i tywhich Ing lin tested ear ly inth e e x a m i n a t i o n : a t o n esounds when questions ar easked. It is supposed tochange tone according to bodi-ly responses.

N o w , in a f i n a l series ofquestions, Ing lin used the tone

an d Altenburger a ga in deniedset t ing the f i re . Finally , Ing lin

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asked hi s s u b j e c t f ive t i m e sho w h e t h o u g h t h e w a s d o i n g .

A l t e n b u r g e r d i d n ' t r e p l y atf i r s t, b u t e v e n t u a l l y h e sa i d ,"Wel l , t h e w a y y o u so u n d . .."

Q. Well, it's w h a t y o u k n o w .W h a t d o y o u k n o w f o r sure iny o u r h e a r t ?

A. I t h i n k I did not set thef i re .

Q . S o w h e n I look at those

c h a r t s , it sh o u l d b e a r t h a t o u t .Is t h a t r i g h t ?

A c t u a l l y , I n g l i n d i d n ' t h a v eto look at h is c h a r t s to k n o wA l t e n b u r g e r h a d l i e d a b o u tho w m a n y f i r e s he had se t inA r i z o n a .

At R a m p a r t , A l t e n b u r g e rh a d d e n i e d t o L a m b e r t t h a t h eh a d se t a n y f i r e s a n d n o t g o tc a u g h t . T o I n g l i n , h o w e v e r , h ea d m i t t e d f o u r others: a "d i-l a p i d a t e d s t r u c t u r e , " tw oa b a n d o n e d t r u c k s a n d a t r a s hc o n t a i n e r — a t o t a l of 1 0 . Thel a s t f o u r h a d b e e n se t s i n c etest fall .

I m m e d i a t e l y a f t e r th e test ,L a m b e r t a r r es t ed A l t e n b u r g e rfo r m u r d e r , t h e n d r o v e t o t h eS t r a t f o r d t o sh o w h i m t h eb u r n e d b u i l d i n g a n d t h e n e i g h -borhood. Ing l in wanted tom a k e s u r e th e y o u t h k n e w it sl o c a t i o n .

Before r e t u r n i n g to R a m -p a r t , A l t e n b u r g e r a sk e dL a m b e r t and his p a r t n e r to le th i m sh o w t h e m w h e r e h e h a db e e n t h e d a y b e f o r e . T h e yr e f u se d .

A l t e n b u r g e r h a d n o t slept ina b e d f o r m o r e t h a n 3 6 h o u r sw h e n h e r e t u r n ed t o a R a m -p a r t i n t e r v i e w r o o m . H e w a sh u n g r y , tired a n d n e r v o u s a n dL a m b e r t t h o u g h t h e w a s n e a rb r e a k i n g . In a b o u t 10 m i n u t e s ,t h e d e t e c ti v e e m e r g e d t o r e -p o r t t h a t h e h a d .

L a m b e r t w o u l d t e s t if y l a t e r

t h a t A l t e n b u r g e r a d m i t t e dse tt ing f i re to a chair in theS tratfo rd lobby because hew a n t e d to kill hi s m o t h e r an dhad fel t sa t i s f i e d a f t e r w a r d .

W h a t th e 'youth sa i d in t h a t1 0 m i n u t e s was not r e c o r d e d .L a m b e r t fa i l ed t o t u r n o n at a p e r e c o r d e r . H i s l i e u t e n a n tsuggested h e ge t a t a p e ds t a t e m e n t .

" H i , M i k e , " L a m b e r t b e g a nthe second in te rview. "Kin d oft i r e d , h u h ? "

H e a sk e d w h e t h e r A l t e n -b u r g e r ha d b e e n t r e a t e d f o r am e n t a l c o n d i t i o n , w h e t h e r hen ow fe l t b e t t e r a n d w h e t h e r h esa w a m a t t r e s s at the Strat-f o r d . A n a r so n i n v e s t i g a t o rw o u l d t es t i f y t h a t th e f i r e w as

started i n a ma t t r es s .Q . D i d y o u p u t i t b e h i n d th e

c o u c h o r w a s a m a t t r e s s b a c kt h e r e?

A. I c a n ' t r e m e m b e r .

Q . O k ay , b u t y o u r e m e m b e rt h a t t h a t ' s w h y y o u se t t h e f i r ebecause yo u w a n t e d to kill

y o u r m o t h e r r i g h t ?

A. Yes, sir .

L a m b e r t d w e l t o n t h e w i t -ness w ho su p p o se d l y saw Al -t e n b u r g e r r u n n i n g f r o m th eS t r a t f o r d .

Q . D o y o u r e m e m b e r w h a tt h a t l a d y l o o k e d l i k e t h e r ethat sa w y o u ?

A. I j u s t r e m e m b e r — old .

A n d , th e d e t e c t i v e r e t u r n e da g a i n t o t h e m a t t r e ss .

Q . Y o u d o n ' t — B u t y o u

don ' t r ec a l l an y m a t t r e s st h e r e , h u h ?

A. No. .

Q . Yo u d o n ' t r e m e m b e rl ighting any th ing e lse , just thec o u c h ?

A. Yes.Q . Y o u ' r e sure y o u d i d n ' t

l ight — t h e r e w a s a m a t t r e s st h e r e . Y o u d i d n ' t l i g h t th em a t t r e s s f i r s t . Do you r e m e m - •ber seeing a m a t t r e s s t h e r e ?

Q . I t h o u g h t m a y b e yo um i g h t h a v e m o v e d t h e m a t -tress back t h e r e a n d p u t i tb e h i n d t h e c o u c h . D o y o u

r e c a l l ? T r y a n d t h i n k b a c k .T h e r e w a s n o r e p l y , a n d

L a m b e r t sa i d h e w a s g o i n g tot a k e A l t e n b u r g e r d o w n t o w nan d l e t h i m g e t s o m e rest.

" O k a y , " th e d e t e c t i v e sa i d ,"that's th e j a c k e t y o u w e r ew e a r i n g last n i g h t ? " A l t e n -b u r g e r sa i d , "Yes."

"That's t h e o n e t h e l a d yrecognized ," Lamber t said ."She said it stood ou t like a —

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Deputy Dist . Atty . S tephenKa y d o u b t e d A l t e n b u r g c r ' s

guil t .

like a sore t h u m b . L i k e I sa y ,yo u were seen , you k n o w , byq u i t e a f e w p e o p l e t h e r e . "

W h e n L a m b e r t l e f t y th er o o m , t h e r e was silence* t h e nw h i sp e r i n g . " I d o not — I sti l ld o n o t b e l i e v e t h a t , " A l t e n -b u r g e r w h i sp e r e d t o h i m s e l f ,"I still d o n o t be l ieve I se tthose f i res."

At 3 : 3 5 p . m , A l t e n b u r g e rw a s b o o ke d f o r m u r d e r . T h r e ed a y s l a t e r h e w a s r e t u r n e d t oP a r k e r C e n t e r fo r a n o t h e r li etest . H i s m o t h e r h a d v i s i t e dh i m t h a t m o r n i n g .

T h e se c o n d p o l y g r a p h t e s tha d j u s t b e g u n w h e n A l t e n -b u r g e r admitted te l l ing anoth-er lie. Ingl in w o n d e r e d i f they o u t h h a d n ' t l ied to a u t h o r i -t i es .

" E x c ep t , o n e t i m e t h e yasked me if I was in t h a t

r o o m, " A l t e n b u r g e r said "I tw a s t h e f i r s t t i m e I e v e r d i dt h a t . I sa i d , y e a h , b u t I w a sn o t . "

" W h a t r o o m ? " a s k ed I n g l i n .

" T h e a p a r t m e n t s , " A l t e n -burger rep l ied . "The S t r a t f o r dA p a r t m e n t s . "

Ing l in asked h o w h e k n e wt h a t , su g g e s t i n g A l t e n b u r g e rm i g h t be sa y i n g he r e a l l yd i d n ' t k n o w .

Q . We ll , but you sa i d yo uc o u l d n ' t f i n d th e p l a c e yo uwere in ou t the re . Is that cor-r ec t ?

A . T h a t ' s n o t w h a t I sa i d . Isa id t h e y w o u l d n ' t sh o w it tom e.

Q. Well , h o w c a n t h e y sh o wit to you w h e n yo u c a n ' t e v e nf i n d it ? T h e y c a n ' t look b e h i n dy o u r e y e b a l l s .

A. B u t , t h e n if I w e r e g i v i n gt h e m d i r e c t i o n s to w h e r e Iwas I could f ind it. D o w n Wil-snire B o u l e v a r d .

Al tenburger accused pol iceof t ry ing to pu t words in h ism o u t h b y t e l l i n g h i m h e h a dse t t h e S t r a t f o r d f i r e , t h e n r u na w a y . He thought they w e r el y i n g b e c a u se n o w i t n e ss h a di d e n t i f i e d h i m .

Ing l in challenged A l t e n b u r g -er w i t h a n o t h e r p o l i c e d e c e p -t ion , l ike the red book ofm a t c h e s a n d t h e o l d l a d ye y e w i t n e ss .

Q . H o w c o m e y o u r c l o t h e ssmelled like sm o k e w h e n t h e yp icked you up? T h a t ' s t h e f i r s tth ing they to ld me . They saidy o u r clo thes smel led l ikesm o k e . H o w c o m e ?

A . U n u u h .

Q . Well , t h e r e had to be ar e a so n . Y o u h a d t o b e a r o u n d 'sm o k e s i n c e y o u c a m e t o L o sAngeles.

A. M a y b e t h e y w e r e l y i n g .

Q. Wel l , I don ' t — let's n o t ,yo u k n o w , no w that's easy tosay. N o w y o u ' v e m a d e t h a tc h a r g e b e f o r e b u t w h e n y o uc a m e i n h er e the f i rst day tom e y o u r c l o t h e s d i d sm e l ls t r a n ge . Y o u sm e l l e d s t r a n g ean d t h e r e w a s a s t r a n ge sm e l la b o u t y o u . N o w , w h a t w a s i t ?

A. I d o n ' t k n o w . I t w a ss w e a t .

Q . N o . I t w a s m o r e t h a ns w e a t . W e r e yo u a r o u n dsm o k e a n y w h e r e t h a t n i g h t ?

A . N o , I w a s n o t .

Q . Since yo u c a m e to L.A.?

A . N o , excep t t h a t , d i d i tsm e l l so m e t h i n g l i k e a l c o h o l ?

Q. No, i t was a strong smel l ,l i k e a sm o k e sm e l l .

A. The o n l y p l a c e I had b e e nw a s t h e La B r e a T a r P i t s .

Q . T h e r e ' s no a sp h a l ta r o u n d t h e r e b u r n i n g . T h a ta sp h a l t h a s b e e n t h e r e f o r am il l ion yea r s . . . You w o u l d n ' tpick i t up in y o u r c l o t h e s atl ea s t . So w h a t d id you h a v e iny o u r c l o t h e s? M i c h a e l , w e r eyo u d o w n t h e r e w h e n th e f i r eu n i t s c a m e ?

A. No .

Q . T o t h a t h o t e l ?

A . N o .

Q . W e r e you in t h a t l o b b y ?

A. No , I w a s n o t . I h a v en e v e r se e n t h a t p l a c e b e f o r eu n t i l they shosved i t t o m e .

W h e n A l t e n b u r g e r ' s p r e l i m i -n a r y h e a r i n g b e g a n b e f o r e L o sA n g e l e s M u n i c i p a l J u d g eA n t o n i o E. C h a v e z , th e casem i g h t h a v e s e e m e d i r o n c l a d— to an o u t s i d e r .

An arson exper t w o u l d t e s t i -fy th e S t r a t f o r d was set on

f i re . A - d e t ec t i v e w o u l d r ec i t ea confession a n d t h r e e w i t -n e s s e s w o u l d i d e n t i f y A l t e n -b u r g e r .

As th e a t t o r n e y s sa y , th ec o r p u s d e l i c t i o f t h e c r i m e a n dt h e c l i n c h i n g e v i d e n c e : w h a tm o r e c o u l d a p'rosecutorw a n t ?

A c t u a l l y , D e p u t y D i s t A t t y .S t e p h e n K a y , 31, a r e l a t i v e l yy o u t h f u l p r e o s e c u t o r w i t hexper ienc e in severa l specialc a s es su c h as the C h a r l e sM a n s o n m u r d e r t r i a l , h a dg r a v e d o u b t s a b o u t A l t e n b u r g -e r 's gu il t .

H i s o p p o n e n t w a s S t a n l e yM a t h i e se n , 53, a v e t e r a n of thespecial t r ials d i v i s i o n o f t h ep u b l i c d e f e n d e r ' s o f f i c e .

M a t h i e s e n has a ru le . He,tries n o t t o j u d g e , b u t i n A l t e n -

bu r ger ' s case he sa i d , " I w a s

f i r m l y c o n v i n c e d t h a t i t w a sjus t a bum rap." H e resolvedto hi t the pr e l i mi n a r y h e a r i n gas h a r d as possible .

Ka y i n v o l v e d h i m se l f in a l lphases of the c a s e . He pokedthrough the S t r a t f o r d an d lis-t e n e d t o h o u r s o f t a p e - r e c o r d -ed question ing . Th e r e c o r d -ings, m o r e t h a n a n y t h i n g else,c r e a t e d hi s doubts.

As a pr o s ec u t o r , K ayt h o u g h t Altenburger to ld aconsisten t sto ry and he no tedthe . r e m a r k a b l e d i f f e r e n c eb e t w e e n th e S t r a t f o r d a n d t h ebui lding w h e r e th e t e e n a g e r

c l a i m e d h e h a d s t a y e d .

E v e n A l t e n b u r g e r ' s ow nd o u b t s h e l p e d c o n v i n c e hi sp r o se c u t o r .

"You could te l l by l isten ingto h i m . I t w a s l ike h e w a sf ight ing a ba t t le , l ike, 'I k n o wthis isn't so, but yet I c a n ' tex pla in t h e m a t c h e s a n d t h esmoke. '

"I'll tell y o u I lost moresleep on th is case t h a n a n yother I 've e v e r b e e n i n v o l v e din an d that 's b e c a u s e o f g r e a td o u b t s I h a d .

"I w a n t e d e v e r y t h i n g o n t h erecord because i t ' s k i n d ofhard fo r a deputy d istr ict at-t o r n e y to say , 'Wel l , l e t ' ssu b m i t t h i s 25 c o u n t s o f m u r -

d e r a n d o n e c o u n t o f a r s o n . ' "B e c a u se he w a n t e d a p u b l i c -

record , Kay re jected sugges-t i o n s t h a t h e a v o i d a l e n g t h yp r e l i m i n a r y hear ing by goingto t h e g r a n d j u r y .

M a t h i e s e n p r a i se d K a y ' si n t e g r i t y . " A l t e n b u r g e r w o u l dh a v e b e e n in a h e c k of a posi-t i o n , " t h e d e p u t y p u b l i c d e -f e n d e r said .

E a r l y w i t n e sse s a p p e a r e d t om a k e t h e case a g a i n s t A l t e n -b u r g e r se r i o u s e n o u g h . J u d yR o w e l l a n d h e r h u s b a n d ,F r a n k , w e r e f o l lowed to thes t a n d by F l o r e n c i o T a p i a . A lll ived at the S t r a t f o r d b e f o r eth e f i r e .

Each p o i n t e d o u t A l t e n b u r g -er as so m e o n e t h e y ha d seenin th e lobby w h e r e th e f i r es t a r t e d . B u t , th e I l o w e l l s o f-fered c onf l ic t ing d e t a i l s an dTapia said he had g l a n c e d ats o m e o n e w i t h gla s s es o f f ,l o o k i n g d o w n .

Ar son I n v e s t i g a t o r D o n a l dE. B r i a n o f f e r e d th e o p i n i o nt h a t th e S t r a t f o r d f i r e w a s s e tin a ma t t r es s next to the lobbydesk "witl i open f lam e he ld inh u m a n h a n d s . "

A n d , L a m b e r t r e c o u n t e dA l t e n b u r g e r ' s c o n f e s s i o n .

M a t h i e s c n ' s q u e s t i o n sstrong ly suggested t ha t theS t r a t f o r d f i r e m i g h t h a v e b e e ne lectr ical in o r i g i n , no t a r s o n .Late r , he w o u l d insist , " Id o n ' t b e l i e v e t h e r e w a s a r so n

at all ."

E a r l y in c r o s s - e x a m i n a t i o no f L a m b e r t , M a t h i e s e n a s ke dw h a t ha d h a p p e n e d to A l t e n -burger 's ske tch of the a l c o v ewhere he stayed on the n i g h to f th e f i r e . Th e d e t e c t i v e sa i dit h a d be e n " a p p a r e n t l y m i s -p l a c e d i n t h e c o n f u s i o n . "

Q . N o w y o u to ld M r. A l l e n -b u r g e r , did you not , o r askedhi m w h e t h e r o r n o t s o m em a t c h e s o n t h e d es k w er e hi sw h e n he e m p t i e d hi s p o c k e t s ;isn ' t t h a t c o r r e c t ?

A. Yes.

Q . Y o u k n e w t h o se w e r e n ' tA l t e n b u r g e r ' s d i d y o u n o t ?

A. Yes, that is c o r r ec t .

Q. Did you t e l l Mr . A l t e n -burger that a l a d y ha d seenh i m r u n n i n g a w a y f r o m th escene of the f i r e?

A. Yes, I did.

Q . Y o u k n e w t h a t w a s n ' t th et r u t h , d i d y o u n o t ?

A. That is c o r r e c t .

The deputy pub l ic de fen derdeal t with th e o t h e r policedecept ion by estab l ish ing thatn e i t h e r of the o f f i c e r s w hopicked u p A l t e n b u r g e r ha dsmel led smoke on h is c l o t h i n gn o r told a n y o n e t h e y h a d .

Mathiesen cal led Ing l in as adefense witness and exploredthe polygraph o per a t o r ' s t e s t so f A l t e n b u r g e r .

Ka y asked Ing l i n a sing le ,unprosecutor- l ike question onc r o ss - e x a m i n a t i o n . He w o n -d e r e d w h e t h e r A l t e n b u r g e rw as a good l ie de tector sub-ject . '

"1 w o u l d say he is a ve rypoor sub ject t o r u n o n a p o l y -graph," Ing l in s a i d , " a n d t h a tw a s t h e d i f f i c u l t y r e q u i r i n gtw o runs."

Inglin w a s t h e f i n a l w i t n e s so f t h e si x -d a y h e a r i n g . I m m e -dia tely a f ter he l e f t th e s t a n d ,Ka y b e ga n a s u m m a t i o n .

W h a t m i g h t h a v e b e e n c o n -sidered u n u s u a l w a s t h e t e n o ro f K a y ' s a r g u m e n t . I t wasa n y t h i n g b u t a d e m a n d t h a tA l t e n b u r g e r b e h e l d t o a n -sw e r .

Ka y said h e t h o u g h t L a m -b e r t w a s t e l l i n g t h e t r u t hw h e n th e i n v e s t i g a t o r sa i d

D e f e n d e r

Public D e f e n d e r S t a n l e yMathiesen was s u r e of his c l i -

e n t ' s i n n o c e n c e .

A l t e n b u r g e r h a d c o n f e sse d .B u t , h e w a s m o r e e q u i v o c a la b o u t th e t r u s t w o r t h i n e ss oft h a t confession .

Supposedly, Kay s a i d , th ed e f e n d a n t ha d a d m i t t e d s ta r t -ing the S t r a t f o r d f i r e w i t h

m a t c h e s , bu t h e p o i n t e d o u tt h a t a n e xp e r t ha d s u r m i s e dt h a t o t h e r m a t e r i a l s h a d b e e nused to ign ite i t .

A l s o , o n t h a t p o i n t , Ka y saidA l t e n b u r g e r h a d c o n f e sse d to

star t ing th e f i r e in a c h a i r ,w h e n , a c c o r d i n g t o t h e F i r eD e p a r t m e n t , t h e b l a z e b e g a nin a ma t t r es s .

As for the e y e w i t n e s s e s ,K ay said he d i d n ' t t h i n k th eRowells sa w A l t e n b u r g e r ,a l though t h e y sa w h i s p u b -l ished p ictu re an d t h o u g h tt h e y h a d . He noted Tap ia onlyha d a br ie f g l a n c e o f t h e m a nhe saw.

Ka y sa id he did not con-d e m n L a m b e r t fo r u s i n g f a l ses t a t e m e n t s b e ca u se so m e -t i m e s t h a t i s a g o o d i n t e r r o g a -t i o n t e c h n i q u e , b u t h e a d d e d :

"On the o t h e r h a n d , i f youge t somebody in a s i t u a t i o nw h e r e t h e y s t a r t b e l i e v i n g

s o m e t h i n g t h a t d i d n ' t h a p p e n ,w e l l , t h e n t h a t i s the p r o b -l em . "

A ll t h i n g s c o n s i d e r e d , K ay

told C h a v e z , th e c r u c i a l p o i n tw a s w h e t h e r A l t e n b u r g e r ' sconfession w as t r u s t w o r t h y .

"I t h i n k e v e r y b o d y in thec o u r t r o o m , c e r t a i n l y t h e o f f i -

cers a r o u n d m e, k n e w w h a t Iw a s t a l k i n g a b o u t , " K a y sa i dlate r . "One of them said af t e r -w a r d s , 'Wel l , you so u n d l i k e apubl ic d e f e n d e r . '

"Wel l , I ' m j u s t n o t g o i n g tog e t u p a n d a r gu e so m e t h i n g Idon ' t be l ieve . I n e v e r w i l l . "

T h e r e w a s n o d o u b t t h a tM a t h i e se n so u n d e d l i k e ad e p u t y p u b l i c d e f e n d e r . H e

p o r t r a y e d A l t e n b u r g e r a s at een - a ger w h o h a d b e e n h a -r a s s ed , d e c e i v e d a n d ' pres-su r e d .

He said h is cl ien t had beenstr ipped o f " e v e r y s e m b l a n c eo f h u m a n d e c e n c y " by a poly-g r a p h o p e r a t o r w h o , h e said ,w a s n o t o b j e c t i v e .

H e a r g u e d t h a t th e b a c k -g r o u n d t o n e w h i c h s o u n d e ddur in g par t o f the lie test ha dno p u r p o se e x c e p t to c o n v i n c et h e d e f e n d a n t t h e o p e r a t o rc ould read those no ises, too .

An d w h i l e t h a t t o n e w ass o u n d i n g , M a l h i e s e n said thatI n g l i n ha d r e p e a t e d l y a sk e d ," H o w d o y o u t h i n k y o u ' r ed o i n g , M i c h a e l ? "

" W h a t i t i s is o n e c o n t i n u o u si n t e r r o g a t i o n by a t h u m b - a n d -screw m a n w h o i s m a k i n g iteasier f o r t h e n e x t p e r so n inth e series o f i n t e r r o g a t i o n s toput the f ina l s c r ew s to them a n , " h e sa i d .

" W h a t h a p p e n s d u r i n g t h i speriod o f i n t e r r o g a t i o n ? M r .A l t e n b u r g e r ' s h a n d is p lacedo n a p i c t u r e o f t h e h o l e l ,m a k i n g h i m m u c h m o r e n e r -v o u s , p u t t i n g hi m m o r e in theposi t ion of w o n d e r i n g w h a t isg o i n g o n h e r e .

" A n d h e i s w o n d e r i n g a b o u tt h e m a t c h e s . T h e m a t c h e sk e e p p o p p i n g u p .. . T h a tpaper is b u r n i n g i n t o th e b o y ' sh a n d .

"H e c o m e s o u t o f t h e r e at

t h e e n d w i t h t h e t h i n g r i n g i n gin hi s ea r s : Y o u h a v e n ' t p a s -sed i t . You h a v e ' t p a sse d it .An d w h a t h a p p e n s t o h i m ?

" H e g e t s t h e i r o n s c l a m p e don h is w r i s t , a n d h e i s t a k e no v e r t o t h e S t r a t f o r d A p a r t -m e n t s , w h e r e G o d k n o w s w h a tt h e y to ld h i m , be c a u s e it isn ' tt a p e r e c o r d e d .

" A n d a s M r . L a m b e r t i n d i -c a t e d , e v e n t h o u g h he has asoft voice , l ie t h o u g h t M r.A l t e n b u r g e r w a s r e a d y w h e nhe c a m e b a c k , a n d h e poppedhi m i n t o t h a t i n t e r r o g a t i o nr o o m a n d i n 1 0 m i n u t e s h e g o this c onf ess ion ou t o f h i m .

" A n d a g a i n h e l i e s t o h i ma f t e r h e b e g i n s th e t a p e r u n -n i n g . He l ies to h i m , an d h e

says he l ied to h im for onev e r y g o o d r e a so n , in o r d e r tog e t M r . A l t e n b u r g e r t o t a l k .He said t h a t .

" N o w you wo uld th ink, i fyo u b r i n g t h a t li e d e t e c t o r — Im e a n t a p e r e c o r d i n g i n t o p l a ya g a i n , t h a t t h e r e w o u l d b ec o r r o b o r a t i o n of t h a t c onf es -sion out o f Mr. A l t e n b u r g e r ' sm o u t h . T h e r e i sn ' t . "

M a t h i e s e n c o n t e n d e d t h a tA l t e n b u r g e r ' s r a t i o n a l i n t e l -l e c t h a d b e e n o v e r b o r n e ,t h e r e f o r e an y so-cal led confes-s i o n w a s n o t t r u s t w o r t h y .

C h a v e z w a s b r i e f , n o t i n g inpassing that th e q u e s t i o n i n g o fA l t e n b u r g e r " h a d to be h e a r dto be b e l i e v e d .

"I w o n ' t sa y h e w a s t h e m a non th e rack," C h a v e z sa i d . "Id id h e a r . .. o f f i c e r I n g l i nt a k e o b j e c t i o n to y o u r c a l l i n g

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