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2.3.2 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM A36, Standard Specification for Carbon Structural Steel, ASTM A36/A36M-08.

ASTM D4157, Standard Test Method for Abrasion Resistance of Textile Fabrics (Oscillatory CylinderMethod), 2010.

ASTM D5034, Standard Test Method for Breaking Strength and Elongation of Textile Fabrics (Grab Test),2009.

ASTM D6193, Standard Practice for Stitches and Seams, 2011.

ASTM E119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials, 2011 2012a .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input

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Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

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Submittal Date: Sat Jul 06 14:54:52 EDT 2013

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Resolution: FR-19-NFPA 80-2013

Statement: Update to referenced publication.

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I, Marcelo Hirschler, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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3.3.52 * Fire Door Frame for Lights.

A frame that, in addition to a door opening, contains an opening(s) for use with glazing materials.


This is part of a series of suggested changes to modify fire door assemblies to provide that only the fire door and immediate door frame along with necessary accessories are part of the fire door assembly. Sidelights and transoms would be considered fire windows. This will eliminate unnecessary additional testing to NFPA 252 of sidelights and transoms that have already been tested to either ASTM E119 or NFPA 257. In addition to the testing to NFPA 252 being unnecessary, when NFPA 252 is reviewed there is no specific guidance for testing of the sidelights and transoms. There is only guidance provided on testing of vision panel lights kits in the door itself. It is also noted that where NFPA 80 contains a limitation for the sizing of glazing units within the fire door itself, there is no specified limit to the size of glazing in transoms or sidelights other than what the manufacturer has tested to. A fire door assembly has no limit in size when combined with sidelights and transoms. From a technical standpoint, what is the difference between a sidelight and a fire window located immediately adjacent to a fire door assembly, or between a sidelight and a E119 tested fire-resistance rated glazed wall assembly. From a fire protection standpoint I would suggest there is no difference and the additional testing applied just because the assembly is a sidelight instead of a fire window is unjustified. This series of proposals will clarify what is a door assembly versus what is a fire window assembly and reduce the cost of listings.


Submitter Full Name: Robert Davidson

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Submittal Date: Mon Jul 08 15:15:16 EDT 2013

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Resolution: The substantiation provided by the submitter does not adequately justify changing the standard tomake sidelights and transoms fire windows, rather than part of the fire door assembly. Currently, firewindows are tested to different standardized fire tests than fire door assemblies. Sidelights tested aspart of the door assembly are tested to different conditions. Removing these items from the fire doorassembly and testing them as fire windows could result in unintended consequences of differentbehaviors and reactions under fire conditions. The committee is not sure if there a demand to test theside lights different from the frame. If so, this should be addressed. Because currently, fire windowsand fire door assemblies are tested to different fire test standards, this concept would require achange to the test standard(s), NFPA 252 or NFPA 257, not NFPA 80, if there is a need to test thecomponents differently. NFPA 80 wouldn’t be the place for the proposed change. In addition, the doorhas the limitation on the rating of the assembly. If a two hour door was put in a 30 minute frame, forexample, the fire door assembly is rated at 30 minutes, not two hours as may be indicated by theframe. Additional details are necessary to warrant this change in the standard.


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I, Robert Davidson, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Robert Davidson, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and theterms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will,upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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3.3.92 Power-Operated Fire Doors.

Doors that normally are opened and closed electrically, pneumatically or pneumatically hydraulically .


Some power-operated fire doors are opened and / or closed hydraulically.


Submitter Full Name: John Woestman

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Statement: Some power-operated fire doors are opened and / or closed hydraulically.


I, John Woestman, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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3.3. 95 Qualified Person.

A person who, by possession of a recognized degree, certificate, professional standing, or skill, and who,by knowledge, training, and experience, has demonstrated the ability to deal with the subject matter, thework, or the project.

95 Qualified. A competent and capable person or company that has met the requirements andtraining for a given field acceptable to the AHJ. (96)


Makes the definitions consistent between documents.


Submitter Full Name: John Chartier

Organization: Northeastern Regional Fire Cod

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Submittal Date: Thu Apr 11 08:41:03 EDT 2013

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Resolution: The existing definition is appropriate for the application of NFPA 80. The existing definition is acommon definition used in the industry and other codes and standards.


I, John Chartier, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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3.3.128 * Transom and Side Light Frame.

A fire door frame prepared for the application of a glazing material above and alongside the door opening.






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3.3.130 * Transom Light Frame.

A fire door frame prepared for the application of a glazing material above the door opening that has ahorizontal member such as a transom bar provided to separate the glazed opening from the door opening.






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Public Input No. 50-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 4.1.3.1 ]

4.1.3.1

Preparation of fire door assemblies for locks, latches, hinges, remotely operated or remotelymonitored hardware, concealed closers, glass lights, vision vision panels, louvers, astragals and splitastragals, and the application of plant-ons and laminated overlays shall be performed in accordance withthe manufacturer's inspection service procedure and under label service. (See Annex E and Annex F .)






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Public Input No. 59-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 4.1.3.1, 4.1.3.2, 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4 ]

Sections 4.1.3.1, 4.1.3.2, 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4

4.1.3.1

Preparation of fire door assemblies for locks, latches, hinges, remotely operated or remotely monitoredhardware, concealed closers, glass lights, vision panels, louvers, astragals and split astragals, and theapplication of plant-ons and laminated overlays shall be performed in accordance with the manufacturer'sinspection service procedure and under label service. (See Annex E and Annex F .)

4.1.3.2

For job site preparation of surface The following job site preparations shall be permitted whereperformed in accordance with the door manufacturer’s listing :

1 Holes for surface -applied hardware, function holes for mortise locks, and holes for labeledviewers , a maximum

2. Maximum 3 ⁄ 4 in. (19 mm) wood and composite door undercutting , and

3. Installation of protection plates (see 6.4.5 ) shall be permitted .

4.1.3. 3 2.1

Surface-applied hardware shall be applied to the door or frame without removing material other thandrilling round holes to accommodate cylinders, spindles, similar operational elements, and through-bolts indoors.

4.1.3. 4 2.2

The holes described in 4.1.3.3 shall not be permitted to exceed a diameter of 1 in. (25.4 mm), with theexception of cylinders.

4.1.3. 2 . 3 Drilling raceways for wires whe n performed at the job site shallbe in accordance with the door manufacturer’s listing and when permitted by thelaboratory with which the door is listed.


Proposed revisions to NFPA 80 address frequent field modifications of doors. Incorporating electrical hardware into doors themselves is much more common now than in years past, and specific guidance needs to be provided, as proposed in 4.1.3.2.3. The other revisions are intended to clarify NFPA 80.





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Statement: Holes in doors are limited to 1” for installation of surface-applied hardware, with the cylinderexception. Electrified hardware frequently requires holes larger than 1” diameter for installation. Listedelectrified hardware are fire-tested, as are locking and latching hardware with cylinders, todemonstrate the hardware protects the required installation holes. Essentially, the surface-mounted


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hardware effectively protects their opening(s) in the opening protective. Specific guidance is neededfor incorporating electrical hardware into doors. Nationally recognized guidelines are available for fieldinstallation of raceways in wood doors.





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Public Input No. 60-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4 ]

Sections 4.1.3.3, 4.1.3.4

4.1.3.3

Surface-applied hardware shall be applied to the door or frame without removing material other thandrilling round holes to accommodate cylinders, spindles, similar operational elements, electrifiedhardware, and and through-bolts in doors.

4.1.3.4

The holes described in 4.1.3.3 shall not be permitted to exceed a diameter of 1 in. (25.4 mm), withthe exception of cylinders

installation holes for surface-applied hardware installed in accordance with the door manufacturer’slisting and the hardware manufacturer’s listing .

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Holes in doors are limited to 1” for installation of surface-applied hardware, with the cylinder exception. Electrified hardware frequently requires holes larger than 1” diameter for installation. Listed electrified hardware are fire-tested, as are locking and latching hardware with cylinders, to demonstrate the hardware protects the required installation holes. Essentially, the surface-mounted hardware effectively protects their opening(s) in the opening protective.





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Statement: Holes in doors are limited to 1” for installation of surface-applied hardware, with the cylinderexception. Electrified hardware frequently requires holes larger than 1” diameter for installation. Listedelectrified hardware are fire-tested, as are locking and latching hardware with cylinders, todemonstrate the hardware protects the required installation holes. Essentially, the surface-mountedhardware effectively protects their opening(s) in the opening protective. Specific guidance is neededfor incorporating electrical hardware into doors. Nationally recognized guidelines are available for fieldinstallation of raceways in wood doors.


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4.1.4.3

Signs shall not be installed on fire protection rated glazing material in fire doors.


There are times when a Code requires signage on a fire door, such as required for delayed-egress locking systems. Where there is no other choice but to put the sign on the glazing material, the glazing should be fire-resistance rated glazing which has been evaluated for temperature rise on the unexposed surface.


Submitter Full Name: William Koffel

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Statement: There are times when a Code requires signage on a fire door, such as required for delayed-egresslocking systems. Where there is no other choice but to put the sign on the glazing material, theglazing should be fire-resistance rated glazing which has been evaluated for temperature rise on theunexposed surface. Annex A material is also being added for additional clarification on the applicationof signs on fire doors.


I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am William Koffel, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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Public Input No. 41-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.2.1 ]

4.2.2* New fire protection-rated and fire resistance-rated glazing shall be marked in accordancewith Table 4.2.2 and such marking shall be permanently affixed.


Several years ago the Technical Committee was presented with a Public Proposal to provide a labeling system within NFPA 80 for fire-rated glazing. At that time, several different labeling systems were being proposed in the various building code processes and the Committee chose to wait until a standard system was developed. Both the IBC and NFPA now use a common system for labeling fire-rated glazing. As such, it is now appropriate to include the label system in NFPA 80 in hope that the system will remain standardized by referencing the system in NFPA 80. The codes can still determine the required fire protection and fire resistance rating of the glazing and an example of how that might be done is contained in the proposed Annex note.

Whereas the hose stream test is not always required by fire resistance tests, the Committee should consider adding an "H" for the "W" rating as well. This would be a change from what is in NFPA 101, NFPA 5000, and the IBC but would add clarity and would address the international market as well.




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Statement: Several years ago the Technical Committee was presented with a Public Proposal to provide alabeling system within NFPA 80 for fire-rated glazing. At that time, several different labeling systemswere being proposed in the various building code processes and the Committee chose to wait until astandard system was developed. Both the IBC and NFPA now use a common system for labelingfire-rated glazing. As such, it is now appropriate to include the label system in NFPA 80 in hope thatthe system will remain standardized by referencing the system in NFPA 80. The codes can stilldetermine the required fire protection and fire resistance rating of the glazing and an example of howthat might be done is contained in the proposed Annex note. The committee did consider the "H" asproposed by the submitted but did not see a need to add this to the table at this time. Additionalreview may be conducted during the Second Draft phase upon further investigation. Annex A materialis also being added. This is a companion change to proposed new paragraph 4.2.2. The content ofthe table should not be in the body of the standard since it contains requirements typically consideredwithin the scope of a building code, fire code, or the Life Safety Code. However, the table providesuseful information in showing how the label system works. It should be noted that a change in thelabel system was proposed in 4.2.2.





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4.2.1 *

Listed items shall be identified by a label that contains the following information . Additional informationshall be permitted to be shown.4.2.1.1 The label for fire doors shall contain the words “fire door”, the manufacturer’s name or a code that

can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd party certification agency, the fire protectionrating, a unique serial number, fire test standard designation to which the assembly was tested and thetemperature transmission rise at 30 minutes.

a) When the temperature transmission rise exceeds 650 ? F (361 ? C), it shall be permitted to beomitted.

b) For swinging doors provided with builders hardware, the minimum latch throw shall also beshown.

c) When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test was conducted.

4.2.1.2 The label for fire door frames shall contain the words “fire door frame”, the manufacturer’s

company name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd partycertification agency, the fire protection rating, a unique serial number and the fire test standard designationto which it was tested.

a) Fire door frames shall be permitted to be provided without the fire protection rating shown. In suchcases, they shall be rated at three (3) hours when installed with masonry anchors in masonry walls andone and one-half (1-1/2) hours when provided with wood stud or steel stud anchors and installed ingypsum board walls.

b) As an alternate, fire door frames shall be marked with the label or embossment of the 3 rd partycertification agency and the manufacturer’s name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer.

c) When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test was conducted.

4.2.1.3 The label for fire window frames shall contain the words fire window frame”, the manufacturer’s

company name or a code that can be traced back to the manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd partycertification agency, the fire protection rating, a unique serial number and the fire test standard designationto which it was tested.

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This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and that labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. Information relating to the manufacturer, the rating of the assembly or product and other information deemed necessary so that AHJs and end users can verify that the assembly or product is appropriate for how and where it is being used is needed


Submitter Full Name: Jeffrey Gould

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Submittal Date: Thu Jul 11 07:31:04 EDT 2013

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Statement: This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and that labels are to be provided however itdoes not specify what is to be included on the label. Information relating to the manufacturer, therating of the assembly or product and other information deemed necessary so that AHJs and endusers can verify that the assembly or product is appropriate for how and where it is being used isneeded. Annex A material is also being added for additional guidance on temperature rise ratings offire doors.


I, Jeffrey Gould, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Jeffrey Gould, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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4.4.1 *

Only labeled fire resistance–rated or fire protection–rated glazing material shall be used in fire doorassemblies when permitted by the door listing. (See A.3.3.56 , Fire Protection Glazing.) The labelshall contain the following information. Additional information shall be permitted to be shown.4.4.1.1 Fire rated glazing shall contain the manufacturer’s name or a code that can be traced back to the

manufacturer, the marking of a 3 rd party certification agency, the fire protection rating and the fire teststandard designation to which it was tested. When applicable, a statement that no hose stream test wasconducted shall also be shown.





This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and when labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. This information is currently shown in the Appendix as explanatory material but needs to be included in the body of the standard so that it will be mandatory.




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Statement: This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and that labels are to be provided however itdoes not specify what is to be included on the label. Information relating to the manufacturer, therating of the assembly or product and other information deemed necessary so that AHJs and endusers can verify that the assembly or product is appropriate for how and where it is being used isneeded. Annex A material is also being added for additional guidance on temperature rise ratings offire doors.





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Public Input No. 67-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 4.7 ]

4.7 Placement of Detectors.

4.7.1

All detectors, including fusible links, shall be placed as shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) and Figure 4.7.1(b) ,but in no event shall detectors be placed in the dead air space shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) .

Figure 4.7.1(a) Proper Placement of Detectors.

Figure 4.7.1(b) Detector Locations.

4.7.2

Detectors for the release of fire doors shall be permitted to be part of an overall system, such as a firealarm, water flow alarm, or carbon dioxide release system, that releases the door.

4.7.3

Where smoke detectors are used, they shall be located in accordance with NFPA 72 , National FireAlarm and Signaling Code .


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4.7.4

Detectors and their components shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturers' instructions.

4.7.5 *

Unless otherwise acceptable to the AHJ, heat detectors or fusible links shall be installed on bothsides of the wall, interconnected so that the operation of any single detector or fusible link causes the doorto close.

4.7.5.1 *

Where fusible links are used, one fusible link shall be located near the top of the opening, andadditional links shall be located at or near the ceiling on each side of the wall.

4.7.5.1.1

Where fusible links are installed on both sides of the wall, a sleeve shall be installed through thewall to provide an open pathway for the cable or chain connecting the fusible links.

4.7.5.1.2

The sleeve shall be a 1 ? 2 in. (13 mm) diameter galvanized steel conduit or pipe, with endsde-burred, and fitted with a collar or bushing at each end to secure the sleeve around the wall and allowfree movement of the cable or chain through the sleeve upon fusing of the links.

4.7.6 Fire doors that incorporate a device that delays activation of an automatic closing,self-closing or emergency power operation shall not delay the initiation of the closing or re-closing of thedoor for more than ten (10) seconds) unless acceptable to the Authority Having Jurisdiction.

4.7.7* When detectors are used in conjunction with material handling systems such as a conveyor,they shall be arranged as follows:

4.7.7.1 Stop the feed conveyor or otherwise initiate the mechanism that clears the path of the firedoor.

4.7.7.2 Provide an adequate time delay to clear the opening.

4.7.7.3 Activate the automatic or self closing mechanism.



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This section is entitled Placement of Detectors but several lines do not relate to where detectors are located. This should be more appropriately entitled Detectors. Additional information on detectors can be added as shown above. There are several types of doors (Chap 8, Horizontally Sliding Doors, 8.4.1.1.2 and Special Purpose Horizontally Sliding Accordian or Folding Doors (Chap 9, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1) both provide information on time delays associated with automatic closing. This should apply to all doors, not just these two types. This can best be addressed by locating it to a common section called Detectors.With the reference located in Par. 4.7, the references in 8.4.1.1.2, 8.4.2.1.4, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1 can be deleted along with the note in the Appendix.




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Committee Statement


Statement: The text of current 4.7 is being rearranged and edited to better clarify the location of detectors andfusible links used for the activation of fire doors. The proposed text better reflects the appropriateterminology for the types of actuation devices. Proposed changes also coordinate with NFPA 72regarding the application of smoke detectors. Some automatic closing systems are fail-safe such thatupon a loss of power, the door will close. In cases where a system is not fail-safe, some type ofmechanism needs to be present so that if electronic detectors are inoperable, the doors will still closeautomatically in the event that a fire occurs. A.4.7.1.5 Further clarifies challenges presented by thepresence of conveyors and possible obstructions. A.4.7.4.1 adds guidance language to clarify the useand installation of detectors when the automatic-closing device of a door is installed above a ceiling.Current A.4.7.5 should be relocated to A.4.7.4.2 Current A.4.7.5.1.1 should be relocated to A.4.7.4.3





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4.7.1

All detectors, including fusible links, shall be placed as shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) and Figure 4.7.1(b), butin no event shall detectors be placed in the dead air space shown in Figure 4.7.1(a) .

Figure 4.7.1(a) Proper Placement of Detectors.

Figure 4.7.1(b) Detector Locations.


This section is In conflict with current version of NFPA 72NFPA 72 - 17.7.3.2.1* Spot-type smoke detectors shall be located on the ceiling or, if on a sidewall, between the ceiling and 12 in. (300 mm) down from the ceiling to the top of the detector.




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Public Input No. 66-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.7.5.1.2 ]

4.7.6 When the system or arrangement of detectors for an opening is not considered to be fail-safe,fusible links shall be used.





Some automatic closing systems are fail-safe such that upon a loss of power, the door will close. In cases where a system is not fail-safe, some type of mechanism needs to be present so that if electronic detectors are inoperable, the doors will still close automatically in the event that a fire occurs.




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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 4.8.1.1 ]

4.8.1.2 Door assemblies shall be installed on walls only if listed for such installation.


Moves the existing 4.8.1.5 to after 4.8.1.1 as a general requirement. we are proposing to delete 4.8.1.5.




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Statement: Moves current Section 4.8.1.5 to a more applicable location.





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4.8.1.5

Door assemblies shall be used on walls of other construction only if listed for such installation.


Proposed to move to a new 4.8.1.2.

Related Public Inputs for This Document

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Public Input No. 10-NFPA 80-2013 [New Section after 4.8.1.1]




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4.8.2.2 Combustible floor construction shall not be permitted to extend through the door opening.

4.8.2.2.1

In buildings with combustible floors or combustible floor coverings, a sill shall be required if the floorstructure is extended through the door opening, as combustible floor construction shall not be permitted toextend through the door opening.


Better clarifies that combustible floor covering should not extend through door openings then provides a solution.




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Resolution: A Committee Input has been developed to review Section 4.8.2 for the Second Draft meeting.





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4.8.4 Clearance.

4.8.4.1 *

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3 ? 4 of 1 in. (19 mm).

4.8.4.2

Where the bottom of the door is more than 38 in. (965 mm) above the finished floor, the maximum

clearance shall not exceed 3 ? 8 in. (9.5 mm) or as specified by the manufacturer's label serviceprocedure.


A Task Group was appointed to review the various clearance requirements contained in NFPA 80 for fire doors. It was noted that the current 3/4 inch was not consistent with the test standard and instead was representative of customary practice. Noting problems with meeting the 3/4 inch requirement in all instances, the task group proposed to increase the clearance underneath the door to 1 inch. While the task group anticipates additional fire testing to evaluate this increase, the task group was advised that some doors had been tested with a clearance greater than 1 inch.




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Resolution: Additional testing and/or research is needed to make a final change to the document. A change to 1"is not technically justified at this time. Additional testing is requested by the committee. A CommitteeInput has been developed for Section 4.8.4 to address some conditions that are present in the fieldtoday regarding door clearances.





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4.8.4.1*

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3?4 in. (19 mm), or up to 1 .25" (31.75mm) using an approved intumescent door bottom device tested for applicable hourly ratings and doortypes.


There are many job site conditions where the undercut of the door ends up greater than 3/4"...sometimes due to a concrete issue or sometimes due to a slightly raised frame installation. We see this quite a bit in hotel applications for example. This product allows for an easy solution, rather than the cost associated with total replacement of the opening. There are products on the market than have been tested and passed by recognized laboratories and test standards to solve this problem.


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Resolution: A Committee Input has been developed to review Section 4.8.2 for the Second Draft meeting. Anadditional First Revision was made to 4.8.4 regarding the use of certain products on fire doors whenthe bottom clearance is in excess of the 3/4" limitation.


I, JERRY HEID, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

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4.8.4.1 *

The clearance under the bottom of a door shall be a maximum of 3 ? 4 in. (19 mm).

4.8.4.1.1* Products evaluated on a clearance in excess of that allowed by 4.8.4.1 and listed for use at orunder the bottom of the door shall be permitted where installed in accordance with its listing.

A.4.8.4.1.1 Where doors have a clearance at the bottom in excess of ¾” (19mm), door sweeps, door bottoms, or other devices listed for addressing thisexcess clearance may be a viable option.


New products are emerging which are tested and listed for use when clearances are not within the limits of NFPA 80. One example is the Zero 339FS sweep:(http://www.zerointernational.com/catalogpage.aspx?pageID=44). This proposal explicitly allows for this category of products, where listed for this use.





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Statement: Products are emerging which are tested and listed for use when clearances are not within the limits ofNFPA 80. This proposal explicitly allows for this category of products, where listed for this use. AnnexA material is also being added. Annex text provides guidance on when certain products may be usedif the clearance under the bottom of a fire door exceeds the 3/4" limitation.





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TITLE OF NEW CONTENT

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4.9.1 Concealed Latches

4.9.1.1 When fusible link activated slide bolt latches are installed on pairs of fire doors in lieu of bottomrods, a label shall be attached to the lower one-third of the door; on both sides of the door.

4.9.1.2 The label shall read "CONCEALED LATCH".

4.9.1.3 The lettering on the label shall be a minimum of 36 point type set. Letters shall be red on a whitebackground.


I have received a few telephone calls with concerns that doors with recessed latches in lieu of bottom rods are not easily identified by the fire service. It would be helpful if there were a label indicating that such a condition exists. One caller indicated that they had a latch that identically activated without a fire before it was installed and thought that there may be an issue with inadvertent operation.


Submitter Full Name: HAROLD D HICKS

Organization: ATLANTIC CODE CONSULTANTS

Affilliation: NFPA 80 Committee

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Resolution: The proposed requirement is difficult to measure and enforce in the field. Signs would not be read bythe intended audience. If there are fire service issues related to this type of hardware, provisionsshould be put into the fire codes, not in this standard.


I, HAROLD D HICKS, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyrightin this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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5.2.1.1 Fire doors that are installed as part of a remodel or other upgrade and serve as a convenienceopening during construction or for future use and then maintained in the closed and locked position do notrequire annual inspection and testing until they are returned to service.



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There are instances where a fire door are installed in an opening for convenience during construction or as part of an upgrade and after construction maintained closed and locked for security and/or to protect the workers from a hazard and the room is not normally entered (less than once every 2 to 3 years) then why should we have to open the door just to make sure it opens and closes. The door may also be further secured for security to prevent entry. The fire door may be protecting material that can expose the worker to unnecessary health risk. No testing or documentation will be required until the door is needed again. Then testing is required.


Submitter Full Name: Donald Turno

Organization: Savannah River Nuclear Solutions

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Resolution: There is no guarantee that at some point a fire door may need to return to service without beinginspected. It is the intent that the current annual inspection requirements be applied to all fire doorsthroughout a building.


I, Donald Turno, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Donald Turno, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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5.5.7

When holes are left in a door or frame due to changes or removal of hardware or plant-ons, the holes shallbe repaired by the following methods:

(1) Install steel fasteners that completely fill the holes

(2) Fill the screw or bolt holes with the same material as the door or frame

(3) Fill holes with material listed for this use and installed in accordance with the manufacturer’sprocedures.


Proposing revisions to NFPA 80 to address repairs of doors. Products are listed for repairing holes in fire doors. The proposed language allows for these listed products.





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Resolution: CI-29-NFPA 80-2013

Statement: Proposing revisions to NFPA 80 to address repairs of doors. Products are listed for repairing holes infire doors. The proposed language allows for these listed products. The intent of Secton 5.5.7 wasoriginally to apply to fastener holes. As written, the section could have applied to all holes, of allshapes and sizes, in a fire door. Additional language clarifies the intent of the section.





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Public Input No. 17-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 6.1.3.4 ]

Timed Door Hold Open

In lieu of Door Hold Open being tied into the fire alarm system and dropping door upon alarm, an approvedtimer activated door hold open release may be used with a maximum door hold open time of 60 seconds. Power failure to the door hold open or timer device shall automatically release door.


Fire rated doors without existing magnetic door hold opens tied into a fire alarm system being held open by a wedge or other object preventing the doors closure. would be beneficial in locations where economics prohibit door hold opens tied into a fire alarm system. This would help with compliance, especially in the area of storgage rooms where materials are moved in and out of the door frequently.


Submitter Full Name: Douglas Houtz

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Resolution: Technical changes to the standard cannot be made based solely upon economic conditions. No basisfor 60 second limitation was provided. In addition, there are several components of the design thatrequire a risk analysis before the reliability of the system can be determined.


I, Douglas Houtz, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Douglas Houtz, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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Public Input No. 13-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 6.3.1.7.1 ]

6.3.1.7.1

The clearances between the top and vertical edges of the door and the frame, and the meeting

edges of doors swinging in pairs, shall be 1 ? 8 in. ± 1 ? 16 in. (3.18 mm ± 1.59 mm) for steel

doors and shall not exceed 1 ? 8 in . (3.18 mm) for wood doors.


Various problems have occured with the installation of wood doors with no tolerance regarding the 1/8 inch clearance. A task group was appointed to discuss the concerns with clearances for all fire doors. The task group believes that the 1/16" tolerance should also be acceptable for wood fire doors. There was some concern expressed regarding the impact on door hardware but since the tolerance already exists for steel doors, the task group thought the 1/16" tolerance should not adversely impact the door hardware. It should be noted that the task group anticipates some additional fire testing to be completed prior to the completion of the 2016 revision cycle regarding the issue of clearances between fire door and fire door frames.




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Statement: Various problems have occurred with the installation of wood doors with no tolerance regarding the1/8 inch clearance. A task group was appointed to discuss the concerns with clearances for all firedoors. It is of the opinion of the committee that the 1/16" tolerance should also be acceptable forwood fire doors. There was some concern expressed regarding the impact on door hardware butsince the tolerance already exists for steel doors, the task group thought the 1/16" tolerance shouldnot adversely impact the door hardware. As noted in a previous TIA (which did not pass committeeballot), the committee is hopeful that some additional fire testing to be completed prior to thecompletion of the 2016 revision cycle regarding the issue of clearances between fire door and firedoor frames.





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Public Input No. 57-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after 6.3.1.7.2 ]


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6.3.1.7.3* Products evaluated on a clearance in excess of that allowed by 6.3.1.7.1 and listed foruse at the top, vertical edges, or meeting edges of the door shall be permitted where installed inaccordance with its listing.

A.6.3.1.7.3 Where doors have a clearance at the top, vertical edges, or meeting edges of the doorin excess of that required by 6.3.1.7.1, door seals or other devices listed for addressing this excessclearance may be a viable option.


This proposal is similar to the BHMA proposal for 4.8.4.1 for addressing excess clearance at the bottom of doors, but addresses excess clearance at the top and sides of a door. New products are emerging which are tested and listed for use when clearances are not within the limits of NFPA 80. This proposal explicitly allows for this category of products, where listed for this use.





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Resolution: It is unsure how listings of products are designed to adjust clearances as side latching hardware isnot adjustable. The committee does not want to add requirements for products that allows no limit onthe clearance.





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6.4.4.11 *

Electric strikes shall be permitted to be used in lieu of conventional strikes in single swinging doors andpairs of doors where provided for in the published listings. Fail safe electric strikes shall not bepermitted.

A.6.4.4.11 See Figure A.6.4.4.11. Up on power failure or de-energization, a fail safe electric strikeallows a door to be readily openable by being pushed or pulled .


Questions are commonly raised regarding whether fail safe electric strikes may be used on a fire door. NFPA 80 currently allows fail safe electric strikes “where provided for in the published listings.” However, there is no fail safe electric strike available that is listed for use on a fire door because no fail safe electric strike provides latching forces adequate for the required performance of a fire door upon power failure or de-energization of the electric strike. This proposed language clarifies NFPA 80.





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Statement: Questions are commonly raised regarding whether fail safe electric strikes may be used on a firedoor. NFPA 80 currently allows fail safe electric strikes “where provided for in the published listings.”However, there is no fail safe electric strike available that is listed for use on a fire door because nofail safe electric strike provides latching forces adequate for the required performance of a fire doorupon power failure or de-energization of the electric strike. Proposed annex language clarifies thatwhen electric strikes are used the latching feature of the door must be maintained.





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6.4.5 Protection Plates.

6.4.5.1

Factory-installed protection plates shall be installed in accordance with the listing of the door or installedin accordance with the listing of the door .

6.4.5.2

Field-installed protection plates shall be labeled and installed in accordance with their listing.

6.4.5.3

Labeling shall not be required where the on the protection plate when

1. The top of the protection plate is not more than 16 in. (406 mm) above the bottom of the door.

2. T he listing of the door allows protection plates more than 16 in. (406 mm) above the bottom of thedoor where installed in accordance with the door listing .


Most of the wood door manufacturers have tested with protection plates up to 48” high, but NFPA 80 requires in “6.4.5.2 Field-installed protection plates shall be labeled and installed in accordance with their listing.” This proposed language provides for field-installed protection places that are in compliance with the door manufacturer’s listing, consistent with protection plates provided by the door manufacturer with the door





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Resolution: Proposed changes to the text may be difficult to enforce. Proposed changes shouldn't reduce thelevel of safety provided by the current requirements for protection plates.





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Public Input No. 74-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 8.4.1.1.1, 8.4.1.1.2 ]

Sections 8.4.1.1.1, 8.4.1.1.2

8.4.1.1.1 *

Closing devices shall be a system of weights or a listed closing device.

8.4.1.1. 2 * 2

Automatic-closing doors shall not have a delay of more than 10 seconds in the initiation of closing orreclosing.



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8.4.1.1.2 currently signifies that there is explanatory material in the Appendix. The topic of 8.4.1.1.1 is closing devices and the topic of 8.4.1.1.2 is time delay devices. The Figures referenced in the Appendix note show and provide information on closing devices, not time delay devices. Renumbering the Appendix note as A.8.4.1.1.1 resolves this issue.




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Statement: Section 8.4.1.1.2 currently signifies that there is explanatory material in the Annex. The topic of8.4.1.1.1 is closing devices and the topic of 8.4.1.1.2 is time delay devices. The Figures referenced inthe Annex show and provide information on closing devices, not time delay devices. Renumbering theAnnex note as A.8.4.1.1.1 resolves this issue. There are several types of doors (Chap 8, HorizontallySliding Doors, 8.4.1.1.2 and Special Purpose Horizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors (Chap9, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1) both provide information on time delays associated with automatic closing.This should apply to all doors, not just these two types. This can best be addressed by locating it to acommon section in Chapter 4. Associate Annex A material will be relocated to Chapter 8, Section8.4.1.1.1. Section 8.4.1.1.1 becomes 8.4.1.2 for proper numbering. The rest of Section 8.4.1 shouldbe renumbered accordingly.


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8.4.1.1.2 *

Automatic-closing doors shall not have a delay of more than 10 seconds in the initiation of closing orreclosing.









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8.4.2.1.4

The time delay from failure of normal power operation to emergency power operation shall not exceed 10seconds.









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Statement: There are several types of doors (Chap 8, Horizontally Sliding Doors, 8.4.1.1.2 and Special PurposeHorizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors (Chap 9, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1) both provideinformation on time delays associated with automatic closing. This should apply to all doors, not justthese two types. This can best be addressed by locating it to a common section in Chapter 4. With ageneral Section located in Chapter 4, the references in 8.4.1.1.2, 8.4.2.1.4, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1 canbe deleted along with the note in the Annex.





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9.4.1.2

Doors shall be self-closing or automatic-closing and shall not have a delay in the initiation of closingor reclosing of more than 10 seconds .









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Resolution: This section addresses both the closing and reclosing of special purpose horizontally sliding doorsand is specific to the operation of these types of doors. The requirement has not been addressed bythe changes to chapter 4 and should be retained.





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9.4.2.4.1

The time delay from failure of normal power operation to emergency power operation shall not exceed 10seconds.









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Statement: There are several types of doors (Chap 8, Horizontally Sliding Doors, 8.4.1.1.2 and Special PurposeHorizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors (Chap 9, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1) both provideinformation on time delays associated with automatic closing. This should apply to all doors, not justthese two types. This can best be addressed by locating it to a common section in Chapter 4. With ageneral Section located in Chapter 4, the references in 8.4.1.1.2, 8.4.2.1.4, 9.4.1.2 and 9.4.2.4.1 canbe deleted along with the note in the Annex





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Public Input No. 26-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 15.1 ]

15.1.3

Door assemblies shall be installed in accordance with their listing.

15.1.4

No part of the assembly shall project into the chute.

15.1.5 Doors shall be self-closing or arranged for automatic-closing operation as described in 7.4.1 forswinging doors.

15.1

Chute Discharge Doors.

15.1. 2 Openings in the fire resistance-rated enclosure shall have a fire protection rating as follows:

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Operation.

Chute doors shall be of the swinging type that are hinged on the side or bottom for intake and on the sideor top for discharge, or as otherwise allowed by their listing.

15.1.2 * Fire Protection Rating.

Chute doors shall have a fire protection rating of 1 hour or 1 1 ? 2 hours.


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) 11?2-hour fire protection rating for 2-hour fire resistance-rated enclosures

(2) 1-hour fire protection rating for 1-hour fire resistance-rated enclosures

15.1.3 The bottom of a waste chute shall be protected by an approved automatic closing or self-closingdoor or fire damper of construction that is equivalent to the opening fire protection rating for the chute in15.1.2 [ 82: 6.2.3.2.1]

15.1.4 The waste chute discharge door shall not be required to have a positive latch. [ 82: 6.2.3.2.2 ]

15.1.5 The bottom of a linen chute shall be protected by a listed automatic closing or self-closing firedoor or fire damper that provides a fire protection rating in accordance with 15.1.2. [ 82: 6.2.3.2.3 ]

15.1.6 Chute discharge doors or fire dampers shall be permitted to be held open by a fusible link.[82:6.2.3.2.4]

15.2 Chute Intake Doors.

15.2.1 General Access Gravity Waste Chutes.

15.2.2 All chute intake doors into a waste chute shall be provided with a self-closing, positive latchingand gasketed fire door assembly in accordance with 15.1.2. [82: 6.2.3.3.1.1 ]

15.2.3 The fire door assembly shall be installed in accordance with its listing. [82:6.2.3.3.1.2]

15.2.4 The design and installation shall be such that no part of the frame or door projects into the chute.[82: 6.2.3.3.1.3]

15.2.5 The area of each chute intake door shall be limited to one-third of the cross-sectional area of asquare chute and 44 percent of the area of a round chute. [82:6.2.3.3.1.4]

15.3 Limited-Access Gravity Chutes.

15.3.1 All chute intake doors into a linen or waste chute shall be provided with a self-closing, positive-latching and gasketed fire door assembly in accordance with 15.1.2. [82:6.2.3.3.2.1]

15.3.2 The fire door assembly shall be installed in accordance with its listing. [82:6.2.3.3.2.2]

15.3.3 The design and installation shall be such that no part of the frame or door projects into the chute.[82:6.2.3.3.2.3]

15.3.4 A lock shall be provided for the chute intake door. [82:6.2.3.3.2.4]

15.3.5 The area of each waste chute intake door shall be limited to two-thirds of the cross-sectional areaof the chute. [82:6.2.3.3.2.5]

15.3.6 The area of each linen chute intake door shall not exceed the cross-sectional area of the chute.[82:6.2.3.3.2.6]

15.4 Pnumatic Chute Intake Doors.

15.4.1 All full vacuum chute intake outer doors shall be provided with a gasketed, self-closing, positive-latching fire door assembly with a fire protection rating of not less than 1 hour. [82:6.3.3.2.1]

15.4.2 The door frame shall be installed onto the station and shall be set flush to the shaft wall.[82:6.3.3.2.2]

15.4.3 The width of the opening shall be permitted to be equivalent to the internal diameter of the chute,and the height shall be a maximum of one and a half times the diameter. [82:6.3.3.2.3]

15.4.4 Minimum door size for a waste or linen loading door shall be 457 mm (18 in.) and shall beside-hinged. [82:6.3.3.2.4]


Many changes have been made in NFPA 82 on chute doors. This is the work of the NFPA 82 committee submitted as extracted text.


Submitter Full Name: Chad Beebe

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Committee Statement


Statement: Many changes have been made in NFPA 82 on chute doors. This is the work of the NFPA 82committee submitted as extracted text.


I, Chad Beebe, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyrightassignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am Chad Beebe, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the termsand conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon mysubmission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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Public Input No. 15-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 19.2.3.2 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]

The damper access panel shall be labeled with the words “Fire Damper” in letters not less than 1 than 1/2in. (25 13 mm) in height.


The proposed change would create consistency among NFPA 105, 80, 5000 and the International Building Code with regards to size of lettering on dampers. NFPA 105 was recently revised to require 1/2" lettering as opposed to 1" in order to address the inconsistencies among the aforementioned documents. For reference, the revision was based on a public comment submitted in reference to proposal 105-6 during the last revision cycle for NFPA 105.


Submitter Full Name: NICHOLAS SEALOVER

Organization: KOFFEL ASSOCIATES, INC.

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Statement: The proposed change would create consistency among NFPA 105, 80, 5000 and the InternationalBuilding Code with regards to size of lettering on dampers. NFPA 105 was recently revised to require1/2" lettering as opposed to 1" in order to address the inconsistencies among the aforementioneddocuments. For reference, the revision was based on a public comment submitted in reference toproposal 105-6 during the last revision cycle for NFPA 105.


I, NICHOLAS SEALOVER, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights incopyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand andintend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or anothersimilar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enterinto this copyright assignment.

By checking this box I affirm that I am NICHOLAS SEALOVER, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment andthe terms and conditions contained therein. I understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature thatwill, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten signature


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19.3.1.2

When equipped with smoke detection activation, the smoke detector testing shall be activatedperformed in accordance with the requirements of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code 4,Standard for the Integrated Fire Protection and Life Safety System Testing .


It is outside the Scope of this document to require the testing of the smoke detector. Testing integrated systems is within the Scope of NFPA 4.




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Public Input No. 27-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. 19.4.1 [Excluding any Sub-Sections] ]

Each damper shall be tested and inspected 1 year after installation commissioning .


It is often difficult to determine the date a damper was installed on large projects which require installation of numerous dampers. This poses a problem during regulatory inspections related to damper testing. The date of commissioning is documented and would be easier to determine when to perform the 1 year test.


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Statement: 19.4.1 - It is often difficult to determine the date a damper was installed on large projects whichrequire installation of numerous dampers. This poses a problem during regulatory inspections relatedto damper testing. The date of acceptance testing is documented and would be easier to determinewhen to perform the 1 year test. The term "acceptance testing" is consistent with that used in NFPA90A. 19.4.1.1 - This revision clarifies that buildings on a hospital campus without healthcareoccupancies must maintain the 4-year damper testing and inspection period. Buildings with multipleoccupancies that include a healthcare occupancy are permitted to extend the testing and inspectionperiod to every 6 years. The definition of a “building” is outlined in the Life Safety Code and buildingcodes. This change parallels edits made to NFPA 105. Additional proposed changes to Section 19.4clarifies the specific procedures intended by NFPA 80 when dampers are tested. The currentlanguage in the standard isn't clear with regards to the specific steps that must be taken for dampersthat use a fusible link to operate versus those that do not use a fusible link to operate. NFPA staffreceive many questions from users of this section. Proposed changes hope to clarify damper testingrequirements. Annex A material is also being added to Section 19.4.2.2. The annex material furtheremphasizes the importance of verifying that there are no obstructions in the path of damper bladesbefore the fusible link is removed.


I, LENNON PEAKE, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency after the initial periodic test shall then be every 4 years ,except in hospitals, where the frequency shall be .

19.4.1.2

For facilities with 2 sequential periodic tests and inspection with no deficiencies, the test frequency shall be6 years.

19.4.1.3

The test and inspection frequency for hospitals shall be every 6 years.


I understand the original reason for allowing the longer test and inspection frequency for hospitals was that this occupancy type provided data showing more frequent testing was not needed. Folllowing that logic, any facility that can provide data showing no deficiencies at susequent periodic tests and inspection should be allowed the same relief as that already granted to hospitals.


Submitter Full Name: Michael DeVore

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Resolution: Adequate technical justification has not been provided for the proposed change. Third partyinspections by accredited groups for fire and life safety features in hospitals by have ensured theimplementation of the testing criteria of this standard.


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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency shall then be every 4 years, except in hospitals buildings containing ahealth care occupancy , where the frequency shall be every 6 years.


Current wording suggests that a “hospital” is an occupancy. Hospitals often contain numerous occupancies, including health care, ambulatory health care, business, and hotel and dormitory. This revision clarifies that buildings on a hospital campus without healthcare occupancies must maintain the 4-year damper testing and inspection period. Buildings with multiple occupancies that include a healthcare occupancy are permitted to extend the testing and inspection period to every 6 years. The definition of a “building” is outlined in the Life Safety Code and building codes.

This change parallels edits made to NFPA 105.


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I, ALLISON ELLIS, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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19.4.1.1

The test and inspection frequency shall then be every 4 years, except in hospitals, where thefrequency shall be every 6 years every 6 years .


Hospitals present a high life hazard and as such should be held to a higher standard while other occupancies should not be required to be held to the same or higher level of protection. The current standard gives an exception for hospitals to six years instead of four. This requirement also puts an additional financial hardship on businesses required to test fire dampers more frequently.


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20.1.3.1

A fire safety curtain system is a specialized fire protection system, and its plans and specifications shall bedeveloped in accordance with this standard by qualified persons who are experienced and has had his/her

knowledge and work experience cer fied by a third‐party, and has experience in the design, application,installation, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


Reason: Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to design the application, installation, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


Submitter Full Name: Daniel Culhane

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Statement: Since the writing of this standard national rigging certification programs have come into existence.These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to design the application, installation, andtesting of fire safety curtain assemblies. Additional editorial changes were made for clarification.


I, Daniel Culhane, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright inthis Public Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that Iacquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar orderivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into thiscopyright assignment.

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20.1.4.1

Installation personnel shall be supervised by qualified persons who are experienced rigger, who has hadhis/her knowledge and work experience certified by a third-party, and is experienced in the installation,inspection, and testing of fire safety curtain assemblies.


Reason: Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to install, inspect and test fire safety curtain assemblies.



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Statement: Reason: Since the writing of this standard national rigging certification programs have come intoexistence. These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to install, inspect and test firesafety curtain assemblies. Additional editorial changes were made for clarification.





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20.7.3.1*

The fire safety curtain assembly shall be activated by manual emergency operation , fusible link, andrate-of-rise heat detection located above the stage.


NFPA’s own study has determined that “It is not likely that the descent of the fire safety curtain would be triggered by fusible links provided along the fire safety curtain release line due to their slow thermal responses. Further, the actuation of the release line fusible links is estimated to be preceded by the activation of sprinklers leading to cooling of the fusible links.”

Fire Safety in Theatres - A New Design Approach, Final ReportPublished by: The Fire Protection Research Foundation, Quincy, MA, Sept. 2009

Eliminate fusible links because they will be ineffective in triggering the descent of the fire safety curtain.



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Statement: A study, published by NFPA, has determined that “It is not likely that the descent of the fire safetycurtain would be triggered by fusible links provided along the fire safety curtain release line due totheir slow thermal responses. Further, the actuation of the release line fusible links is estimated to bepreceded by the activation of sprinklers leading to cooling of the fusible links.” The proposed changeeliminates fusible links because they will be ineffective in triggering the descent of the fire safetycurtain. Fire Safety in Theatres - A New Design Approach, Final Report Published by: The FireProtection Research Foundation, Quincy, MA, Sept. 2009





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20.7.3.3.1

Melting of a fusible link shall result in the fire safety curtain automatically closing.







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Public Input No. 37-NFPA 80-2013 [ Sections 20.7.3.3.2, 20.7.3.3.3 ]

Sections 20.7.3.3.2, 20.7.3.3.3

20.7.3.3.2

The emergency control line (fire control line) shall contain one or more fusible links spaced every 15 linearft (4.6 m) of the control line.

20.7.3.3.2.1

One or more fusible links shall be spaced no more than 7.5 ft (2.3 m) from the vertical rise of theemergency control line.

20.7.3.3.3

The fusible links shall be installed in accordance with 4.1.2 .







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20.7.3.3.4

The emergency control line (fire control line) shall extend up both sides and across the top of the stage sideof the proscenium opening and within 12 in . (305 mm) of the roof support structure or ceiling.




With the elimination of fusible links from the emergency control line there is no need to require the control line to be within 12” of the ceiling or roof support structure.



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Statement: With the elimination of fusible links from the emergency control line there is no need to require thecontrol line to be within 12” of the ceiling or roof support structure. A study, published by NFPA, hasdetermined that “It is not likely that the descent of the fire safety curtain would be triggered by fusiblelinks provided along the fire safety curtain release line due to their slow thermal responses. Further,the actuation of the release line fusible links is estimated to be preceded by the activation ofsprinklers leading to cooling of the fusible links.” The proposed change eliminates fusible linksbecause they will be ineffective in triggering the descent of the fire safety curtain. Fire Safety inTheatres - A New Design Approach, Final Report Published by: The Fire Protection ResearchFoundation, Quincy, MA, Sept. 2009





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20.7.3.3.5

Fusible links shall not be placed in the dead air space illustrated in Figure 4.7.1(a) .







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Public Input No. 51-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.3.3.52 ]


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A.3.3.52 Fire Door Frame for Lights.

Various types include transom light, side light, and transom and side light frames. See Figure A.3.3.52(a)through Figure A.3.3.52(c) .

Figure A.3.3.52(a) Transom Light Frame.

Figure A.3.3.52(b) Side Light Frame.


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Figure A.3.3.52(c) Transom and Side Light Frame.


This is part of a series of suggested changes to modify fire door assemblies to provide that only the fire door and immediate door frame along with necessary accessories are part of the fire door assembly. Sidelights and transoms would be considered fire windows. This will eliminate unnecessary additional testing to NFPA 252 of sidelights and transoms that have already been tested to either ASTM E119 or NFPA 257. In addition to the testing to NFPA 252 being unnecessary, when NFPA 252 is reviewed there is no specific guidance for testing of the sidelights and transoms. There is only guidance provided on testing of vision panel lights kits in the door itself. It is also noted that where NFPA 80 contains a limitation for the sizing of glazing units within the fire door itself, there is no specified limit to the size of glazing in transoms or sidelights other than what the manufacturer has tested to. A fire door assembly has no limit in size when combined with sidelights and transoms. From a technical standpoint, what is the difference between a sidelight and a fire window located immediately adjacent to a fire door assembly, or between a sidelight and a E119 tested fire-resistance rated glazed wall assembly. From a fire protection


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standpoint I would suggest there is no difference and the additional testing applied just because the assembly is a sidelight instead of a fire window is unjustified. This series of proposals will clarify what is a door assembly versus what is a fire window assembly and reduce the cost of listings.




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A.3.3.128 Transom and Side Light Frame.

See Figure A.3.3.52(c) .






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Public Input No. 42-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.4.2.1 ]

A.4.2.2 An example of how a Code might use the system for labeling fire-rated glazingis shown in Table A.4.2.2.Extract Table 8.3.4.2 from NFPA 101-2015.



NFPA_101_marking_Table_8_3_4_2_revised_2013_wt_redline_7374484_1_.DOCX


This is a companion change to proposed new paragraph 4.2.2. The content of the table should not be in the body of the standard since it contains requirements typically considered within the scope of a building code, fire code, or the Life Safety Code. However, the table provides useful information in showing how the label system works.

It should be noted that a change in the label system was proposed in 4.2.2. If that change is accepted by the Technical Committee, an additional note should be added to the Annex note to read as follows:

The Table below is extracted from NFPA 101-2015. The label system defined in Paragraph 4.2.2 adds a "H" for "W" ratings. As such, future editions of NFPA 101 would require a change in the table to reflect the requirement for an "H" with the "W" rating. It is anticipated that the "H" would typically appear wherever the W rating is 60 minutes or greater.



Public Input No. 41-NFPA 80-2013 [New Section after 4.2.1]




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Statement: Several years ago the Technical Committee was presented with a Public Proposal to provide alabeling system within NFPA 80 for fire-rated glazing. At that time, several different labeling systemswere being proposed in the various building code processes and the Committee chose to wait until astandard system was developed. Both the IBC and NFPA now use a common system for labelingfire-rated glazing. As such, it is now appropriate to include the label system in NFPA 80 in hope thatthe system will remain standardized by referencing the system in NFPA 80. The codes can stilldetermine the required fire protection and fire resistance rating of the glazing and an example of howthat might be done is contained in the proposed Annex note. The committee did consider the "H" as


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proposed by the submitted but did not see a need to add this to the table at this time. Additionalreview may be conducted during the Second Draft phase upon further investigation. Annex A materialis also being added. This is a companion change to proposed new paragraph 4.2.2. The content ofthe table should not be in the body of the standard since it contains requirements typically consideredwithin the scope of a building code, fire code, or the Life Safety Code. However, the table providesuseful information in showing how the label system works. It should be noted that a change in thelabel system was proposed in 4.2.2.


I, William Koffel, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in thisPublic Input (including both the Proposed Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquireno rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this Public Input in this or another similar or derivativeform is used. Except to the extent that I may lack authority to make an assignment of content identified above, I hereby warrant that I amthe author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright assignment.


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Table 8.3.4.2 Minimum FireRatings for Opening Protectives in Fire Resistance–Rated Assemblies and Fire Rated Glazing Markings

Component Walls and Partitions

(hr)

Fire Door Assemblies

(hr)

Door Vision Panel

Maximum Size (in.2)h

Fire Rated Glazing Marking

Door Vision Panel

Minimum Side Light/ Transom

Assembly Rating (hr)

Fire Rated Glazing Marking Side Light/Transom

Panel

Minimum Fire rated Windows Ratingc,e (hr)

Fire Rated Window Marking

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Fire Protection

Fire Resistance

Fire protection

Fire resistance

Elevator hoistways

2 1-1/2 155 sq. in.f D-H-90 or D-H-W-90

NP 2 NP D-H-W-120 NP

2 NP

W-120

1 1 155 sq. in.f D-H-60 or D-H-W-60

NP 1 NP D-H-W-60 NP

1 NP W-60

½ 1/3 85 sq. in.g D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20 W-30

Elevator Lobby

(per 7.2.13.4) 1 1 100 sq. in. c

≤100 sq.in., D-H-T-60 or D-

H-W-60h NP 1 NP D-H-W-60

NP 1

NP W-60

>100 sq.in., D-H-W-60h

Vertical shafts

(including stairways, exits and

refuse chutes

2 1-1/2 Maximum size

tested D-H-90 or D-H-

W-90 NP 2 NP D-H-W-120

NP

2

NP

W-120

1 1 Maximum size


W-60 NP 1 NP D-H-W-60

NP 1

NP W-60

Replacement Panels in Existing Vertical Shafts

1/2 1/3 Maximum size

tested D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20

1/3

1/3

OH-20

W-30

Fire barriers 3 3 100 sq. in.c <=100 sq.in., D-H-180 or D-

H-W-180h NP 3 NP D-H-W-180

NP 3

NP W-180

>100 sq.in., D-H-W-180h



W-90 NP 2 NP D-H-W-120

NP 2

NP W-120

1 3/4 Maximum size

testedd D-H-45 or D-H-

W-45 3/4d 3/4d D-H-45 D-H-W-45

¾ 3/4

OH-45 W-60

1/2 1/3 Maximum size

tested D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D-H-20 D-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

Horizontal exits



W-90 NP 2 NP D-H-W-120

NP 2

NP W-120

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Horizontal exits served by bridges between buildings

2 3/4 Maximum

size testedd D-H-45 or D-

H-W-45 3/4d 3/4d D-H-45 D-H-W-45

¾

3/4

OH-45

W-120

Exit access corridors a

1 1/3 Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

3/4 3/4 D- H-45 D-H-W-20 ¾

3/4 OH-45

W-60

1/2 1/3 Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D- H-20 D-H-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

Smoke barriers a

1 1/3 Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

3/4 3/4 D- H-45 D-H-W-20 ¾

3/4 OH-45

W-60

Smoke partitions a,b

1/2 1/3 Maximum size tested

D-20 or D-W-20

1/3 1/3 D- H-20 D-H-W-20 1/3

1/3 OH-20

W-30

NP: Not permitted. a. Fire doors are not required to have a hose stream test per NFPA 252, Standard Methods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies; ASTM E 2074, Standard Test Method for Fire Tests of Door Assemblies, Including Positive Pressure Testing of Side-Hinged and Pivoted

Swinging Door Assemblies; ANSI/UL 10B, Standard for Fire Tests of Door Assemblies; or ANSI/UL 10C, Standard for Positive Pressure Fire Tests of Door Assemblies.

b. For residential board and care, see 32.2.3.1 and 33.2.3.1. c. Fire resistance rated glazing tested to NFPA 251 shall be permitted in the maximum size tested, (See 8.3.3.7).

d. Maximum area of individual exposed lights shall be 1296 in2 (0.84 m2 ) with no dimension exceeding 54 in. (1.37 m) unless otherwise tested. [80:Table 4.4.5 Note b and 80:4.4.5.1].

e. Fire-rated glazing in exterior windows shall be marked in accordance with Table 8.3.3.12 f. See ASME A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators, for additional information.

g. See ASME A17.3, Safety Code for Existing Elevators and Escalators, for additional information.

h. Note: 1 inch2 = .00064516 m2

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A.4.4.1

The content of the labeling on individual fire protection–rated (tested to NFPA 252, StandardMethods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies , or NFPA 257, Standard on Fire Test for Window andGlass Block Assemblies ) and fire resistance–rated (tested to ASTM E119, Standard Test Methodsfor Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials ) glazing should identify the manufacturer, rating,third-party testing agency, test standard, and whether the hose stream test was successfullyperformed needs to be shown so that Authorities Having Jurisdiction can determine if the assembly orproduct is appropriate for how and where it is being used .





This standard clearly defines what a labeled product is and when labels are to be provided however it does not specify what is to be included on the label. This information is currently shown in the Appendix as explanatory material but needs to be included in the body of the standard so that it will be mandatory.




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Resolution: Proposed text is not needed. New requirements were developed for Chapter 4 to address informationon fire door and glazing labels.





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Public Input No. 68-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.4.7.5.1 ]

A. 4.7.7 Conveyors used in material handling systems can present a unique challenge.Considerations must be given to the orderly sequence of stopping the flow of goods through theopening, making sure the opening is clear of any goods and then activating the door closure. Ifthis is not done in the proper sequence using detectors and time delay devices, the likelihood ofthe opening not being protected in an alarm condition increases.









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Public Input No. 44-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.4.8.4.1 ]

A.4.8.4.1

The maximum clearance of 3 ? 4 of 1in. (19 mm.) under fire doors as permitted by this standard is the accepted practice in the industry. NFPA 252, Standard Meth

The maximum clearance as permitted by this standard should be measured from the bottom of the dooropening to the top of the floor. The measurement should not take into account the presence of aftermarketproducts that may be installed on the fire door to reduce the clearance to the permitted value. Theclearance allowed under and around fire doors is based upon the performance of fire doors tested to therequired fire tests. The test criteria for fire doors does not include the presence of aftermarket products. Providing these products in lieu of, or to help achieve the maximum allowable clearance does notguarantee an equivalent level of protection of the opening.


The Annex note needs to be revised if the clearance in the standard is increased to 1 inch. The Task Group that reviewed the clearance requirements expressed concern with after market products, some of which have been tested and some of which have not been, being added to fire doors to reduce the clearance. In lieu of the aftermarket products, the Task Group felt it was more appropriate to change the clearance dimension to 1 inch.



Public Input No. 43-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. 4.8.4]




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Public Input No. 55-NFPA 80-2013 [ New Section after A.6.4.7.2 ]


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A. 6.4.8 Where door assemblies are used for smoke and draft control, gasketing listed for smokeand draft control may be necessary. (See NFPA 105, Standard for Smoke Door Assemblies andOther Opening Protectives.)


Providing guidance that gasketing may be required for a fire door that is also rated for smoke and draft control. Proposed A.6.4.8 text is very similar to A.9.3 regarding gasketing of Special-Purpose Horizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors





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Statement: Providing guidance that gasketing may be required for a fire door that is also rated for smoke anddraft control. Proposed A.6.4.8 text is very similar to A.9.3 regarding gasketing of Special-PurposeHorizontally Sliding Accordion or Folding Doors





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Public Input No. 73-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.8.4.1.1.2 ]

A.8.4.1.1.2

See Figure A.4.7.5(c) through Figure A.4.7.5(h) and Figure A.4.6.4(b) through Figure A.4.6.4(e) .









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Public Input No. 75-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.8.4.1.1.2 ]

A.8.4.1.1. 2 1

See Figure A.4.7.5(c) through Figure A.4.7.5(h) and Figure A.4.6.4(b) through Figure A.4.6.4(e) .



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8.4.1.1.2 currently signifies that there is explanatory material in the Appendix. The topic of 8.4.1.1.1 is closing devices and the topic of 8.4.1.1.2 is time delay devices. The Figures referenced in the Appendix note show and provide information on closing devices, not time delay devices. Renumbering the Appendix note as A.8.4.1.1.1 resolves this issue.




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Public Input No. 34-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. A.20.1.4.2 ]

A.20.1.4.2

The specific skills and experience necessary to install, test, and maintain a fire safety curtain assembly areunique. The number of assemblies installed each year is low in comparison to most opening protectives.There is no currently one nationally recognized training program, certification, or licensing currently thirdparty certification program that tests the knowledge and experience of installers . The AHJs should rely onthis certification along with their personal knowledge of and experience with the contractor and installer;third-party testaments, reports, and recommendations; other evidence that might be presented; or acombination of these.


Since the writing of this standard a national rigging certification program has come into existence. The ETCP certification program tests and identifies the top third of riggers in the industry. http://etcp.plasa.org/ These individuals will have the knowledge and experience to install, inspect and test fire safety curtain assemblies.



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Statement: Deleted text is not needed as certification is available. Annex note should be relocated to beassociated with 20.1.4.1.





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Public Input No. 53-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. G.10.3 ]

G.10.3 Multiple-Section Sidelight and Transom Light Fire Window and Door Frames.

These frames consist of multiple hollow metal sections that, upon assembly, form a completed side light,multilight, transom light, or combination Fire Window and Door Frames , either in the same plane orprojected, such as a bay window–type configuration. (See Figure G.10.3.)

Figure G.10.3 Projected Window Frame.








Public Input No. 50-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. 4.1.3.1]

Public Input No. 51-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. A.3.3.52]

Public Input No. 52-NFPA 80-2013 [Section No. A.3.3.128]




Affilliation: SaftiFirst, Inc.


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Public Input No. 31-NFPA 80-2013 [ Section No. L.1.2.3 ]

L.1.2.3 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM D5034, Standard Test Method for Breaking Strength and Elongation of Textile Fabrics (Grab Test),2001 2009 .

ASTM E90, Standard Test Method for Laboratory Measurement of Airborne Sound Transmission Loss ofBuilding Partitions and Elements, 2004 2009 .

ASTM E119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials, 2011 2012a .

ASTM E413, Classification for Rating Sound Insulation, 2004 2010 .


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Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

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Submittal Date: Sat Jul 06 14:55:48 EDT 2013

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Statement: Reference update.


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