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STATE OF NEW YORK : COUNTY OF ROCKLANDTOWN OF STONY POINT : PLANNING BOARD- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X IN THE MATTER OF NEW PLANET SUSTAINABLE FUELS

JOINT PUBLIC INFORMATIONAL MEETING- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - X

James A. Farley Elementary School Thursday January 8, 2015 7:00 p.m.

PLANNING MEMBERS:THOMAS GUBITOSA, CHAIRMANPETER MULLER, VICE-CHAIRMANEUGENE KRAESE, BOARD MEMBERERIC JASLOW, BOARD MEMBERGERRY ROGERS, BOARD MEMBERMICHAEL FERGUSON, BOARD MEMBER

TOWN BOARD MEMBERS:GEOFFREY FINN, SUPERVISORKARL JAVENES, COUNCILMANJAMES WHITE, COUNCILMANTHOMAS BASILE, COUNCILMANJAMES MONAGHAN, COUNCILMANDOUGLAS J. JOBSON, DISTRICT 1 LEGISLATOR

ROCKLAND & ORANGE REPORTING 2 Congers Road New City, New York 10956 (845) 634-4200



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2 JOHN FURST, ESQ., Special Counsel Planning BoardSTEPHEN MANDRACCHIA, ESQ., Co-Counsel for Applicant

3 GARY R. SMITH, New Planet Sustainable FuelsJOHN CRUIKSHANK, New Planet Sustainable Fuels

4 THOMAS YONGE, PE, Golder AssociatesCHRISTOPHER J. DOHERTY, TRI, Inc.

5 SHAWN FREITAS, TRI, Inc.MARY PAGANO, Clerk to the Planning Board

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2 SUPERVISOR FINN: Good evening,

3 everyone. If I could just have your

4 attention for a few moments before we start.

5 First, let me introduce myself. I'm

6 Supervisor Finn from the Town of Stony Point.

7 I just want to take this opportunity to say

8 thank you for coming out on this cold,

9 wintery night here. I know it's really

10 brutal out there tonight, but everyone is

11 here because we all care about our community.

12 We want what's best for our community.

13 This is an informational meeting that

14 we're going to learn a lot about this plant

15 tonight. We're going to listen and we're

16 going to respect the men and women who are

17 going to speak here tonight. We're not going

18 to have any yelling from the crowd. We're

19 not going to have any of that. This is going

20 to be a very respectful meeting.

21 I have to thank first and foremost the

22 North Rockland School District, Paul Rooney

23 and everyone on the board for making this

24 happen here tonight at Farley School. So we

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2 At this time before I turn it over,

3 this is actually a Planning Board meeting.

4 You'll see my Planning Board to the left.

5 Chairman Gubitosa will introduce them. But

6 before that, I'd like to introduce the Stony

7 Point Town Board and some other Stony Point

8 elected officials in the room. We have

9 Councilman Basile. Next we have Councilman

10 Monaghan. Councilman Javenes. Councilman

11 White. Legislator Jobson. Also in the crowd

12 tonight from Stony Point we have Assemblyman

13 James Skoufis is here. And we have two other

14 Stony Point elected officials, Larry

15 Brissing, our Superintendent of Highways is

16 here and our Town Clerk, Joan Skinner is

17 here.

18 Again, I just ask that we have respect

19 for everyone talking here tonight. This

20 should be very interesting. We're learning

21 along with you. That's what this is about.

22 We're all out here tonight because we care

23 about our community as this Town Board does.

24 You can put your faith in us and we are going

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2 going to shove anything down anyone's throat

3 here. We want what is best for this town as

4 you do. That's why we're all here.

5 And before we go any further, if I

6 could please ask you all to join me and stand

7 for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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11 SUPERVISOR FINN: At this time I'm

12 going to turn this meeting over to our

13 Chairman of the Planning Board, Mr. Tom

14 Gubitosa. I'm sorry, I missed one very

15 important person I forgot to introduce. We

16 have from the Rockland Business Association,

17 a member of the Governor's Economic Council

18 for the Hudson Valley, we have Al Samuels

19 here as well. A very important person from

20 Rockland County and the Hudson Valley. Al,

21 welcome.

22 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Thank you, Geoff.

23 As Geoff said, I'm Tom Gubitosa, Chairman of

24 the Planning Board. With me tonight Gerry

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2 Jaslow, part of the Planning Board.

3 Like Geoff said, this is a joint

4 informational meeting being held by the

5 Planning Board and the Town Board. Just to

6 let everyone know, this is the first of many

7 meetings about New Planet's proposal. The

8 purpose of this meeting is for New Planet to

9 provide information to the boards and the

10 public about itself, its proposed facility

11 and its proposed waste to renewable biofuel

12 process.

13 Numerous opportunities will be given to

14 the public for input in the future. This

15 will be a lengthy review process and the

16 public will have ample opportunity to comment

17 on the proposal as more information on the

18 environmental impact becomes available.

19 After the presentation, we will take a

20 break and collect index cards from members of

21 the public. They should be circulating right

22 now. And basically the public can write down

23 any questions it has about the presentation

24 and submit them to the Planning Board at the

25 break. Please include your name and contact



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2 information on the index card in case we

3 don't get to the -- if we don't address your

4 question tonight, someone from New Planet

5 will get back to you. We also note for

6 tonight all the information or all questions

7 be limited to the presentation.

8 We all have questions and concerns

9 about the environmental issues like traffic,

10 air emissions, the wetlands, the noise,

11 visual and community character and each and

12 every one of those concerns will and must be

13 addressed during the SEQRA environmental

14 review process. For now we are trying to

15 understand the operational end and the

16 proposal so we can properly anticipate the

17 environmental issues that should be

18 addressed.

19 With that being said, I would like --

20 I'm going to turn over to our attorney, John

21 Furst, just to give everyone an update on

22 where we stand with the DEC. And like Geoff

23 had said before, this is not a town facility.

24 This is a school facility. So if you walked

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2 cafeteria, like the cafeteria rules that I'd

3 like to follow: Be polite, be respectful.

4 Right now I'm going to introduce our

5 attorney, John Furst.

6 MR. FURST: Thank you, Chairman. I

7 just want to go over a couple of quick

8 procedural things before we start the

9 meeting.

10 I'm special counsel for the town.

11 First let me provide a little procedural

12 history here. Just to catch up some of the

13 folks that are here. Back in September 2014,

14 a petition was submitted to the Town Board

15 requesting a zoning text change. Back in

16 October an additional petition for a zoning

17 map change was then submitted to the Town

18 Board. Simultaneously with that petition

19 there was an application to the Planning

20 Board for the proposed facility. After all

21 that information was submitted, the Planning

22 Board declared its intent to be Lead Agency

23 in connection with the State Environmental

24 Quality Review Act. They circulated to over

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2 of their intent. In early December the

3 Department of Environmental Conservation

4 expressed their intent to be Lead Agency. So

5 at the last Planning Board meeting after we

6 got the letter from the Department of

7 Environmental Conservation, the Planning

8 Board authorized myself and the Chairman to

9 reach out and coordinate with the DEC with

10 respect to the Lead Agency status. The

11 Planning Board had no objection to the DEC

12 being Lead Agency. However, the Planning

13 Board just wanted to make sure that they were

14 a very interested agency and coordinating

15 closely with the Department of Environmental

16 Conservation because obviously there's a lot

17 of local zoning and land use impacts in

18 connection with this project.

19 So this morning we did have a meeting

20 with the Department of Environmental

21 Conservation. We have been assured by the

22 DEC that the Planning Board will play a very

23 active role in this process. It was a very

24 positive meeting. We look forward to working

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2 all the environmental impacts from this

3 proposal.

4 That's kind of one of the reasons why

5 given the DEC's impending Lead Agency

6 declaration, it makes sense to forego any

7 major discussion about the environmental

8 impacts until the DEC is actively involved.

9 Since they are going to be the Lead Agency on

10 this project, they should be here and they

11 should be around to hear all the comments on

12 it.

13 So we would like to focus the questions

14 on any of the presentation from New Planet

15 regarding the technique, the science, the

16 technicalities involved with the proposal.

17 Again, we are kind of hoping to educate

18 everyone here, including the board members as

19 well as members of the public about the

20 process, about New Planet, the applicant

21 itself and save all the environmental

22 procedural questions until the DEC gets fully

23 involved.

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2 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Thank you, John.

3 Like John said, tonight is just the first of

4 many meetings. This is just an educational

5 meeting. Not only for the public, but for

6 the Planning Board and the Town Board. We

7 still need to know a lot of the information.

8 So tonight is an education for everyone. So

9 when I turn it over to New Planet, they are

10 going to give a presentation. They're going

11 to go over the proposed facility, the

12 technology involved, so I would ask that you

13 give them your attention, to let them finish

14 their presentation and not interrupt because

15 it's going to be detailed exactly what's

16 going to happen at the plant.

17 So like we said in the beginning, index

18 cards will be circulated. You can write your

19 questions on that, name, number, contact. In

20 case we don't get to you, someone from New

21 Planet will. Everything is going to be

22 answered. Hopefully they'll get to your

23 questions. If not tonight, later on. Like

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2 So I'd like to turn it over to John

3 from New Planet. Thank you.

4 MR. SMITH: John is going to talk

5 later. I'm Gary Smith, CEO of New Planet

6 Energy.

7 Town Board, Planning Board, citizens of

8 the region, we thank you for attending

9 tonight. I'd like to say that it's my

10 pleasure to be here representing New Planet

11 Energy for this informational meeting. I

12 think you are going to learn a lot of what

13 we're really doing.

14 I'd like to introduce two of our board

15 members who will not speak tonight. Our

16 Chairman, Jay Johnson, and our Vice-President

17 and Secretary, George Bauer.

18 And I think just by our attendance

19 here, it shows by your attendance how

20 important we think this meeting is and this

21 project is to the community.

22 Again, I said I'm proud to be here and

23 associated with this technology and the

24 support staff who you will hear from tonight.

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2 what I've done to entitle me to be called CEO

3 of New Planet Energy which I'm very proud of.

4 My background includes Cummins Engine Company

5 beginning in about 1980 with alternative

6 engines. CEO of Hercules Engine Company.

7 CEO of a public company called High Plains

8 Corporation in Wichita, Kansas where we had

9 ethanol plants in Kansas, Nebraska and New

10 Mexico. And I was involved with New Planet

11 Energy in our starting plant in Vero Beach

12 which you will hear about later.

13 During this time I was on the board of

14 the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition. I was

15 Chairman of the Renewable Fuels Association

16 and I served on the Abengoa board which we

17 sold High Plains to for three years.

18 I only point this out to show my

19 experience of the various technologies in the

20 marketplace. My association with New Planet

21 Energy as I said goes back to our Vero Beach

22 plant and now with our plant in Stony Point.

23 I hope that we get that plant through.

24 I know you will all be pleased with the

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2 will fit safely into your community while

3 increasing the employment and tax base of the

4 region.

5 Now I'd like to introduce John

6 Cruikshank. John is our President and

7 co-founder of New Planet Energy. He's been

8 the boots on the ground and our face of Stony

9 Point. I think many of you who are here will

10 recognize him. John really has worked hard

11 to make this come to fruition. John, would

12 you come on up and speak.

13 MR. CRUIKSHANK: Good evening again.

14 John Cruikshank, President of New Planet

15 Energy. At New Planet Energy, we are

16 developers of clean energy projects, in

17 particular converting waste into clean

18 electricity and biofuels. Our proposed

19 project in Stony Point represents a nearly

20 $600 million investment in what we believe

21 will be of great value to the community.

22 In our experience we've tried to follow

23 a community-based siting and development

24 project which embraces a community and

25 political leadership and the residents in a



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2 collaboration of putting this project

3 together.

4 Essentially if the project doesn't work

5 for you, it doesn't work for us. So we need

6 you to understand everything you can about

7 the project, our technology, who we are, what

8 we stand for and the experience what we have

9 done in the past in working with the

10 communities in bringing a project like this

11 to fruition.

12 Several of your state and local

13 political leadership have visited our project

14 in Vero Beach and communicated with the

15 county commissioners, with other political

16 leadership and with the residents down there

17 to qualify both New Planet and the approach

18 we've taken to siting and development.

19 Again, I want to stress that this is

20 the first in a series of public meetings,

21 hearings and workshops we hope to put on in

22 coming months where the public will be able

23 to participate and interact with us, getting

24 questions answered, understanding this

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2 are working with in the community and getting

3 to a level of comfort that you would need

4 that I would want if I were in your shoes.

5 So please understand we are coming into the

6 community not with an approach this is what

7 we are going to do, we are coming in this is

8 what we would like to do. We are introducing

9 it to you. We want to educate you, engage

10 you in a discussion of what we are and what

11 we are not because there can be at times

12 misunderstanding and misinformation. We want

13 to clear that all up and that will take place

14 over the next coming months at these

15 meetings.

16 So we welcome you in the future. We've

17 set up a website that will provide further

18 information and ongoing updates.

19 And I guess with that I'm going to go

20 to the next level and introduce my associate,

21 Tom Yonge. Thank you all for joining us

22 tonight.

23 MR. YONGE: Thank you, John. Thank

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2 Before I get into my quick discussion,

3 one thing John forgot to mention was there

4 are information sheets and fliers in the

5 back, that has the website address, contact

6 information and a little bit about New Planet

7 and the project. So please feel free to take

8 as many of those as you like.

9 Okay, as John mentioned, my name is Tom

10 Yonge. I am an environmental consultant, an

11 engineer assisting New Planet with this

12 project. I really appreciate the opportunity

13 to speak with you here tonight.

14 The company I work for is a company

15 called Golder Associates. I'm a practice

16 leader for the air engineering and project

17 development group. Golder is a global

18 consulting company that has about 1,500

19 employees in the U.S. Two of our offices are

20 relatively local here. We have one in Newark

21 and one in Buffalo. We will be employing a

22 significant number of staff in those offices

23 to help us as we go through this project.

24 So a little bit about me and what I do

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2 practice focus is really helping quantify and

3 qualify environmental impacts associated with

4 waste conversion projects. This being a

5 waste conversion project. So quickly, when

6 you hear that term, it's a project that

7 basically employs a conversion of discarded

8 item such as municipal solid waste or MSW

9 which is a term you'll hear a lot tonight,

10 wood waste, wastewater sludge, anything

11 people don't want to -- a beneficial reuse to

12 a product that has value. So that could be

13 renewable diesel like this project, it could

14 be bioethanol, it could be power, it could be

15 fertilizer. There's any number of processes

16 that we can do and we have the technology for

17 in the marketplace to convert these described

18 materials.

19 I have the good fortune of having

20 worked on one of these waste conversion

21 projects with not only New Planet Energy, but

22 also with TRI, who's our technology partner

23 on this project.

24 I was also on the project team for the

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2 it's one of the proudest projects that I've

3 worked on in my professional career. I

4 really enjoyed it. It went well. It's

5 really been something of a feather in my cap

6 so to speak.

7 So beyond that, what are we doing? One

8 thing we would like to do on this project is

9 helping companies implement sustainable

10 practices throughout the design, construction

11 and operation process. When we say

12 "sustainable practices," what does that mean?

13 Well, the first thing we'd like to do when we

14 are trying to incorporate sustainability is

15 doing thorough options analysis. There's

16 lots of sites. There's lots of technologies,

17 there's lots of sizes, all sorts of things in

18 the decision-making process that we would

19 like to help companies like New Planet go

20 through as they are developing this project.

21 So we are still pretty early in the process.

22 Other than having evaluated lots of sites,

23 John has been here a long time looking at a

24 lot of different places and settled on

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2 being really kind of ideal for this project.

3 As we move through this process, we'll

4 continue to do stakeholder, community

5 outreach like this, stakeholder engagement.

6 And by "stakeholder," I mean anybody who has

7 a stake in the outcome of this project.

8 That's all of you. What we will do through

9 this process is really kind of work towards

10 balancing the environmental and social

11 impacts with economic goals of this project.

12 If we've done our job correctly, we will get

13 through this process where we kind of met all

14 those goals. We minimized the impacts

15 environmentally and socially, we actually

16 added benefit, we added value and in addition

17 we made this a project that works.

18 I'm happy to say in this case we have a

19 lot to work with. This is great technology.

20 We are very excited. And again, as we get

21 more into the process and more meetings and

22 to the next presentation I think hopefully

23 you will see some of the benefits that I've

24 come to see as well.

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2 foundation for a successful project on our

3 end is open and transparent communication.

4 So you've already heard that a lot and you

5 will continue to hear it through the evening.

6 That's how it's going to be successful. It's

7 going to be something that the community is

8 proud of and that we would like to have.

9 So that's what you get from me. You

10 call me. I'll tell you what I know. There

11 is going to be a website. We will put the

12 permit application and all that kind of stuff

13 will be there for everybody to see and to

14 talk about as we go through all this.

15 Again, with that being said, one thing

16 we all need to keep in mind, we are still

17 pretty early in this process. Especially in

18 the design part. I think John's due

19 diligence phase and the work that he's done

20 in the options analysis and finding the site

21 is pretty well developed. Now we go to the

22 design phase. That could be a six-month,

23 nine-month process. Say if this were a

24 baseball game, right now when it comes to the

25 design and permitting, we are probably in the



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2 top of the 2nd inning. So everybody still

3 has lots of chances to throw pitches and lots

4 of chances to get at bats.

5 As such, some of the impacts as we're

6 quantifying, we are optimizing. We are

7 trying to always get to that point. So just

8 bear with us. We appreciate your patience as

9 we go through this process.

10 Again, appreciate your patience and

11 interests as we optimize the design and

12 quantify the benefits. We really look

13 forward to working with this community and

14 answering your questions, receiving them on

15 the cards and moving forward. Again, I

16 assure you that I'll answer any questions

17 that will come my way.

18 With that being said, I'll hand over

19 the microphone to Mr. Chris Doherty who is

20 the Vice-President with TRI or ThermoChem

21 Recovery and he will talk to you about the

22 fun part which is the process.

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2 My name is Chris Doherty. And I

3 actually was not nervous until I came here

4 and looked out this way. So I hope that my

5 excitement and passion for this project will

6 trump the butterflies. And I want to thank

7 John and Tom and the Town Board, the Planning

8 Board, Mr. Smith for inviting me here.

9 I do want to say that TRI, and I'll

10 explain what our company is and what our

11 company does, but we are truly excited to be

12 here and to be providing this technology to

13 the proposed project.

14 We are very passionate about our

15 technology. We are proud of it. It's a

16 clean and green technology that all of the

17 folks at the company are deeply passionate

18 about. And although it may sound corny, we

19 are passionate about it because we think it

20 can positively change the world. And

21 sometimes you have to apologize for corny

22 statements, but I tend to make them anyway

23 because we, this country is dealing with

24 climate change. This world is dealing with

25 climate change. Something has to change and



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2 more than that, many, many things have to

3 change. Clean technologies that can convert

4 energy from waste sources is one of those

5 ways to address the global challenge of

6 getting clean, cheap energy without damaging

7 our one and only planet.

8 Also, this is not a prepared anecdote

9 because I don't do those, I don't have those,

10 but as I was getting ready and I saw the room

11 starting to fill up, I was actually reminded

12 of a painting by Norman Rockwell, probably my

13 favorite painter. I'm a Massachusetts guy,

14 so I plug Rockwell. It's the one where it's

15 in a school and it's a bunch of folks who

16 have come, there's the town leaders on one

17 end and everyone sitting in chairs like that.

18 You don't know what the issue is, you don't

19 know what the topic is, but it's kind of a

20 glance of the democratic process in the

21 making where you come, you say your piece,

22 you have to get approvals from this group and

23 that group and this group and the other

24 group. And that's what democracy is. That's

25 where people come and listen, hear and stand



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2 up, and as my colleagues have said, this is

3 just one manifestation of that. But we are

4 as proud to be involved in that kind of

5 process which is entirely appropriate with

6 all the regulations and all the checks and

7 balances and all the things that should be in

8 place and are in place for a project like

9 this, so we look at this as a very important

10 part of the process and we are happy to be

11 here.

12 I feel like I've been set up. I'm the

13 only one that did slides. I hope it's okay,

14 but to get across some of these issues, I

15 wanted to have these. And of course, we can

16 send these out as well. We can make copies.

17 They will be on the website. I don't want

18 people to feel they have to pay too close

19 attention to the notes because these will be

20 provided to you.

21 So as I mentioned, TRI -- it's probably

22 worth mentioning, although TRI is a lot

23 easier to say. I should point out what the

24 TRI stands for. TRI is ThermoChem Recovery

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2 company, and again, even in our mission

3 statement it's a bit unapologetic and corny.

4 We were founded in 1996 on the basic idea

5 that thoughtful, advanced technologies can

6 improve the safety, efficiency and value of

7 converting waste streams into valuable

8 energy. So that's the raison d'etre of our

9 company. It'll specifically be able to

10 safely and reliably take and convert waste

11 streams which there are a wide variety of

12 waste streams, and we can talk about that,

13 into something valuable for the community.

14 So we are a technology company. We

15 have engineers and scientists and inventors

16 and we develop technologies and then optimize

17 them and commercialize them specifically to

18 do what I mentioned which is to take high

19 volume, tricky complex feedstocks that are

20 either otherwise not used at all for energy

21 or are converted in less efficient polluting

22 ways historically. We will talk about that.

23 One of our goals in a nutshell is to

24 tell you all or to start to tell you all what

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2 isn't. We want to be both affirmative in

3 saying here is what we do and who we are.

4 But we've found that it's also worth defining

5 us at this level and at other levels as what

6 we are not. Taking those two things

7 combined, what we do and who we are and then

8 explicitly pointing out what we're not to try

9 to avoid any misunderstandings or

10 misperceptions, together we hope that will

11 give you an understanding at this level of

12 why we are a better way to convert these

13 feedstocks.

14 The recovery is underlined. I should

15 have said I'm here with a colleague of mine

16 from TRI, Shawn Freitas. He may be available

17 as well for questions or other things. He

18 underlined that word. Now I should say why

19 he underlined that. Because although the

20 name is kind of clunky, what we are trying to

21 do is recover the energy in a carbon and

22 hydrogen that's in those waste materials,

23 we're trying to recover that, and we use a

24 thermochemical process. If we had gone

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2 would have come up with such a clunky

3 engineering kind of name, but that's our name

4 and that's what we do.

5 I said TRI. We are almost twenty years

6 old. We are neither a brand new entity that

7 has just been created in someone's garage,

8 nor are we one of the old kind of usual

9 suspects in the energy industry. We think

10 that's a good thing. It is what it is for

11 the first point. But we think it's a good --

12 it fits because we have been around for long

13 enough to really develop and implement and

14 practice and improve our technology. So it's

15 just not like a concept or something quite

16 nascent. At the same time we are new enough

17 and small enough to really embrace

18 innovative, newer, fundamentally better

19 approaches to older problems.

20 We started in 1996. Actually we were

21 not originally a company that focused on what

22 is the main feedstock of this proposed

23 project, municipal solid waste. We didn't

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2 is a large global industry and it's what we

3 presented to the pulp and paper industry was

4 a way for the pulp and paper plants to

5 convert one of their waste streams which is

6 called black liquor, which some people may

7 know it, but it's a fairly esoteric

8 by-product of the pulp and paper process.

9 Think of a black, tarry, viscous goop that

10 has a lot of chemicals in it. Any pulp and

11 paper mill needs to reclaim the energy,

12 ThermoChem Recovery International, and then

13 give the chemicals back. So that's the birth

14 of our company was using our process for

15 that. But, in addition to doing this cleaner

16 and more efficient process for the very

17 idiosyncratic product of black liquor, we

18 also moved into waste streams writ large.

19 Perhaps the biggest and most well-known

20 of all waste streams is municipal solid

21 waste. It's the opposite of an esoteric

22 idiosyncratic feedstock. It's highly

23 abundant. It's very heterogenous and this

24 planet needs to come up with much better ways

25 of dealing with those materials than sending



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2 them off to a landfill and just turning a

3 blind eye to them or converting them in old

4 and messy inappropriate processes.

5 So in 2003 we commercialized our

6 process on black liquor. In 2008 we

7 constructed what is jargony, but it's this

8 innovative process demonstration unit, think

9 of it as a refinery with all the unit

10 operations of a refinery like the one

11 proposed here for Stony Point. So it's a

12 full blown model of MSW material coming in

13 and clean transportation fuels coming out.

14 So we have been running that puppy since 2008

15 on a wide variety of feedstocks as we

16 continue to learn and as we support clients

17 and support projects. It's a very malleable

18 refinery in order to test and verify and have

19 quite literally waste streams and then

20 analyze the waste streams.

21 Just one quick digression. We have

22 been running that facility for several years

23 now. All of the ash that comes out of that

24 facility has been tested and it's a

25 nonhazardous ash. Most of the material as is



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2 the whole raison d'etre is converted into

3 usable energy and fuels. Unavoidably some

4 amount of incoming material is going to be

5 irreducible and is going to be in an ash form

6 just like you would expect. All that ash

7 that comes out is itself a product because,

8 1, it's not hazardous which is important to

9 point out. Number 2, it can be used as a

10 aggregate in cement or jersey barriers or you

11 name it. The reason I make that tiny

12 digression is that facility lets us not even

13 test so much as run full bore on any type of

14 configuration that is of interest for

15 permitting or for analysis or evaluation or

16 what have you.

17 In 2011 we in supporting of projects

18 that had not MSW feedstock, but wood waste

19 and agricultural waste feedstocks, we ran

20 through all those traps, mimicked exactly

21 what a larger size facility would have and

22 then did all the testing. So the reason we

23 point these particular points out of the time

24 line is to just try get across what we think

25 are meaningful milestones in our company's



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2 history. No, we didn't start in municipal

3 solid waste, but the market has actually

4 pulled us to that because of the size of the

5 societal problem and the need to do something

6 smarter, safer, better and cleaner with

7 mountains of municipal solid waste in one

8 form or another.

9 I think most of you would have a

10 similar unappealing image in your head of

11 what are the components of municipal solid

12 waste? As I mentioned, municipal solid waste

13 by its very nature is heterogeneous. It's

14 going to change by location. It's going to

15 change by season. It's going to change by

16 any number of parameters, right, so it is the

17 opposite of homogeneous predictable

18 feedstock.

19 Okay, you got to start somewhere. What

20 is municipal solid waste? For the most part

21 we can break it up into three categories. I

22 have good news and bad news. I found the

23 pointer. Now I'm off and running here. I'm

24 not sure it adds any value to you, but I feel

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2 Tom mentioned discarded material. So

3 what are waste products? It's not an

4 artificial distinction. Number 1, it's

5 discarded, so it's waste because somebody has

6 decided it's waste. Someone made the

7 decision to throw something out, whether in

8 the household garbage or in business garbage,

9 or commercial and demolition garbage, it's

10 been discarded. It's going to change. For

11 the most part you are going to get -- you

12 know what just occurred to me. This is a pie

13 chart. That's kind of gross, John. This is,

14 in fact, a pie chart. In this part of the

15 pie chart is what we will call biomass.

16 Organic. It might be called biogenic

17 material. It's a whole host of stuff that is

18 discarded. Food waste alone in this country

19 is just a national shame of the amount of

20 food that gets thrown out. Of course hand in

21 glove with any effort like this is, of

22 course, trying to throw out way less food and

23 throw out way less of anything. The fact of

24 the matter is right now across the country

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2 of that is going to be food scraps, which is

3 wet, putrescible food, yard waste, sludge,

4 just basically a big gunky muck. Not unlike

5 some of that black liquor that we mentioned.

6 It's wet. It can be easily 50 to 60 percent

7 water in there. That's a significant portion

8 of what comes in on any typical given garbage

9 truck. Down here you have a more orderly,

10 but also a significant amount of recyclable

11 materials; glass, cans, bottles, paper,

12 cardboard. Also I'm not an expert on this

13 area at all, but even in places that have

14 pretty active recycling programs which are

15 great and they should be encouraged, it's a

16 pretty open secret that an awful lot of very

17 recyclable material gets thrown into the

18 "garbage" garbage. So that's why we want to

19 try to include that. You try to get it out

20 as early as possible, but the fact of the

21 matter is a significant portion of trash, MSW

22 garbage, has entirely recyclable material in

23 it.

24 And the last bit, we just kind of

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2 might expect. It's plastic. It's baggies.

3 It's chips. You name it. A lot of plastic.

4 There's a lot of low end plastic there.

5 So I mentioned that we were going to

6 try to get across in this compressed, who we

7 are and what we do, what we are not as well.

8 Many of you may have very understandably an

9 image in your head of what any process that's

10 going to take garbage in and send out fuels

11 or electricity, what they do. And it's very

12 understandable of that perception, but some

13 may have no perception, but I would expect

14 that most would have some perception and that

15 perception wouldn't necessarily be based on

16 the most similar plants that exist right now.

17 Here is one of the places where I waive and

18 say here is one big difference between those

19 and what we are proposing here in this

20 project. We are not an incineration project

21 or process. That's not putting lipstick on a

22 pig and making some kind of nuance

23 distinction and then trying to say this is

24 the nuance distinction. We are not

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2 incineration is we can't take -- the process

3 can't take glass and these plastics and cans.

4 We can't take them. We don't want them.

5 It's not what we're designed for. So big

6 difference number 1 is this process doesn't

7 take trash in the typical sense as a

8 feedstock. The municipal solid waste is a

9 precursor feedstock from which we have to

10 pull the parts that would otherwise go to the

11 landfill and decompose, that's what we want.

12 That's our feedstock. So we recycle whatever

13 has gotten through even from say a less

14 energetic recycling campaign to a really good

15 recycling campaign. Whatever amount of

16 recycling materials that comes in that's

17 still in the feedstock, job 1 is to take that

18 out and recycle it for the dual reason of you

19 can make money off of recyclables, and 2, you

20 don't want that stuff in your process because

21 you can't convert it. It's bad. The other

22 part where it's important, we have this

23 dramatic graphic to indicate at a glance that

24 we don't take trash like that.

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2 company is based, right as you get into

3 downtown Baltimore there's a historical trash

4 to energy facility. It's run by a company

5 called Wheelabrator. Wheelabrator is a known

6 company that does trash to energy. And

7 that's been there a long time. It's doing

8 its business. But I sometimes feel like when

9 people drive by on I-95, they very frequently

10 see backed up dump trucks, seven, eight,

11 nine, ten backed up dump trucks. Those dump

12 trucks literally drive into the facility and

13 they dump whatever is in there into like an

14 open mouth volcano pit and it's like a

15 furnace. That's why, and I hope I'm not

16 overdoing it, but we are not that. We don't

17 want to be that. We are fundamentally not

18 that in a couple of key ways. Number 1,

19 that's a very inefficient process. If you

20 ever watch one of those, you will see what

21 comes out the back is, you know, microwave

22 ovens and garbage and sofas. All manner of

23 things that are getting dumped into a fire

24 pit. Some like apocalyptic scenario which

25 creates mountains of ash, mountains and



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2 mountains of ash that is problematic. So 1,

3 you get huge amounts of ash, and 2, that ash

4 is problematic because it has been converted

5 into that ash. So that's why we are taking

6 pains to say we are not that. We can't do

7 that. We don't want to do that. Yes, MSW

8 trucks come in from which there is an

9 elaborate thoughtful process that takes the

10 stuff that would otherwise go to landfill, we

11 dry it down to about 10 percent, we cut it up

12 into little pieces so it looks like kind of a

13 fluff. So it's very different on all levels

14 from this Dante-esque scenario of

15 incineration facility and we send it off to

16 recycling. So that's big difference number

17 1. Hopefully what you will see and you will

18 come back to why as a young company we draw

19 from idealistic engineers and inventors from

20 all over the world who want to be part of not

21 the current problem, but the solution to all

22 these things. So we dramatically put a black

23 pie wedge over the recyclables because we

24 don't take those. We recycle them.

25 Here's big difference number 2. All



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2 those processes that most of you may have

3 understandably come in thinking, okay, I've

4 heard that there may be a waste to fuels

5 facility in Stony Point, I know how those

6 work. What they do is bring it in, they burn

7 it, they create a bunch of emissions, a bunch

8 of smoke and they burn it in a boiler. Who

9 knows. It's just big and messy and sloppy.

10 Here's big difference number 2. That old way

11 of doing things which I don't think is

12 permitable anyway, is represented by this

13 flaming match. It's the fire pit that I

14 mentioned, the open mouth volcano into which

15 any manner of things is done. Our process

16 does not have that fire. It does not have

17 that combustion. It doesn't use air and

18 combust that material into another product.

19 And this is relatively nuance, but it's kind

20 of one of the game changers. Our process is

21 a gasification process. What that means is

22 we convert the incoming material that I

23 briefly described as the stuff that would

24 otherwise go to the landfill that has lots of

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2 We chemically convert that into a gas, but we

3 do so in the absence of combustion and air

4 which is represented here.

5 So when this gas, we call it smoke,

6 when this gas is emitted, I'll get to this

7 and show it hopefully more clearly. There's

8 going to be an animation which hopefully will

9 show this a lot better than I may be doing.

10 When we create that gas, we capture it all.

11 So that smoke, that synthesis gas is our

12 product. So rather than being a by-product

13 that's being spewed into the atmosphere, just

14 hypothetically, something like that would

15 never be approved or even proposed, but

16 hypothetically rather than that scenario, we

17 are capturing all of that gas because that

18 now has the hydrogen and carbon that we need

19 to make the clean fuels. Again, we have

20 learned through experience that we want to

21 make this distinction because it does -- it's

22 a distinction from which many other positive

23 attributes flow. It's not kind of just one

24 for the sake of making one.

25 So we get back to -- here's a pretty



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2 good real world of what the material looks

3 like. It's bags of garbage that need to go

4 through the up front process. I should say

5 the project works with front end entities who

6 are quite expert in taking in all manner of

7 municipal solid waste and making it exactly

8 to the rather specific specification that I

9 described. We take out certain things, you

10 leave in other things, you dry it down to a

11 certain level and you introduce it into the

12 gasifier. So the folks who have done that,

13 there are about 130 facilities in Europe that

14 take garbage of one form or another and

15 convert it into -- in their case they

16 overwhelmingly go to electricity and they

17 burn it or boil it through steam to run

18 turbines to make electricity. They are not

19 all making fuels, but it's a very well-known

20 and established process that's quite

21 reliable.

22 Through this process, we are taking the

23 carbon that would otherwise be wasted and the

24 material that would otherwise go to

25 overflowing landfills and decompose be put



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2 under the ground and throw off methane. When

3 they go to the landfill not only do you have

4 to have landfill space, the decomposing

5 material there creates copious amounts of

6 methane. So rather than that happening, we

7 put in our process and we do create the basic

8 building blocks for the kind of energy

9 products we have. So that's what this is

10 meant to get across. And again, all of these

11 will be handed out.

12 Another word on one of the big

13 differences. We have our gasifier and it's

14 shown in this graphic here where this says

15 water, carbon, water. It's in here. It

16 converts the material into this highly

17 valuable smoke that we capture. All of it is

18 contained in a closed system. That as I say,

19 there's a picture at the end that will get

20 this across more clearly, so we capture all

21 that, not just for environmental reasons, but

22 for the very reason that that is our product.

23 That is the material that has all of the

24 energy in it. So after we trap it here so

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2 in the form of steam has now been converted

3 into hydrogen, carbon monoxide in a very

4 energy rich gas. The next thing we do, stage

5 2 of essentially a two-stage process, is we

6 take that captured valuable smoke that has

7 not been emitted into the atmosphere and we

8 put it over a catalytic process. There are

9 different ways to do this catalytic process.

10 They have been around for 70, 80 and 90

11 years. Quite successful, quite proven. The

12 one we use, we load up our reactor with a

13 cobalt catalyst and our smoke over the cobalt

14 catalyst results in the renewable diesel that

15 is the focus of this particular project.

16 It's quite an elegant system. I didn't

17 invent it, but I feel like I can call it

18 that. It's an elegant system that by its

19 very nature is particularly good with these

20 high volume complex feedstocks to create a

21 clean end product.

22 Now, this is another slide that my

23 colleague Shawn made. If you like it, I

24 collaborated on it with him. If you think

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2 The other big difference, the third big

3 difference, there aren't ten, I'm going to

4 get the hook here, the other big difference

5 is this. Hopefully there is a little bit of

6 a reveal in this. When we said earlier that

7 we convert this material and we don't do it

8 with combustion, we don't do it with an open

9 fire pit with death and destruction, we don't

10 do it with air, a reasonable question is,

11 well, then how do you do it? How do you do

12 it? How do you convert the trapped carbon

13 and hydrogen? Well, the big reveal is we use

14 steam. That's our secret ingredient. Our

15 process is a steam reforming process. That's

16 a type of gasification and it's a type that

17 we developed originally for the pulp and

18 paper industry, but it happens to have a host

19 of positive knock on effects for MSW. In a

20 nutshell, what those are, as we have

21 indicated, this is about how hot it gets

22 inside our vessel. 1,200 to 1,500 degrees F.

23 That's not that hot as these things go. It's

24 actually a pretty gentle process. It's

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2 a superheated steam bath which can't get up

3 to the temperatures of an open pit fire.

4 That's fine. But what it can do is it

5 converts what we need converted into the form

6 that we need it with steam without the highly

7 polluting, highly problematic aspects of the

8 open apocalyptic fire pit that has been used

9 in the past. It also gets to a synthesis

10 gas, a smoke that has got enough oomph in it

11 to be converted to fuels. A lot of those

12 older facilities can't make fuel. They can't

13 make fuels because their process doesn't

14 create a robust enough syngas. There's not

15 enough calorific value. There's not enough

16 oomph in it to turn it into fuel. So what

17 they do is they either just stop at volume

18 reduction, the historical products. Their

19 raison d'etre is to take a hundred tons in

20 and only have 20 tons of ash going out. Or

21 they burn the gas in a boiler like a hundred

22 year old technology and make steam to produce

23 electricity in a very inefficient way. The

24 reason they don't go to fuels is they can't.

25 They just chemically can't. So with the



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2 steam reforming process we have all these

3 positive advantages and they allow us in

4 addition to being cleaner and more efficient,

5 they allow us to have a synthesis gas that

6 creates smoke that we can convert into fuels.

7 So those are the three big differences

8 as we continue to thread who we are and what

9 we do and don't do. So we are not burning

10 trash like on any level, we are not burning

11 trash. We are gasifying the material and we

12 are capturing all the smoke. The way we are

13 doing it, the way we are doing this is in a

14 rather innovative steam reforming way. That

15 is what frankly gives us -- it's what's

16 allowed us to be fortunate enough working

17 with other clients to capture or to win a

18 rather large amount of support from the

19 Department of Energy, Federal Department of

20 Energy and the Department of Defense because

21 in the former case they want to support

22 American clean energy technologies and in the

23 second case the Department of Defense wants

24 to be able to make jet fuel and fuel for

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2 domestically abundant feedstocks and not

3 foreign or even domestic petroleum. So all

4 of those knock on effects, all of those

5 attributes have nicely in the last several

6 years resulted in significant support from

7 those agencies as well as from private

8 entities, including New Planet Energy. So

9 that image of the gimmicky lighter that

10 sprouts water/steam is part of our secret

11 sauce.

12 This is giving away the ending. Just

13 turn away. There's too much there to see.

14 I'm going to start this animation again.

15 It's short. Hopefully what this will show is

16 some of what I've said in this animation

17 representation of how the feedstock goes into

18 our closed vessel is -- the moisture is

19 almost flashed off almost instantly and

20 carbon and hydrogen is reformed with steam

21 with the absence of air, absence of

22 combustion into the building blocks that we

23 described. But in the walk through -- this

24 is a picture of our vessel. This is a bit

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2 wouldn't be open. So here we have is a steam

3 reforming vessel, also sometimes called a

4 gasifier, but that can be somewhat

5 misleading. We have a bed drain at the

6 bottom because no matter how hard you try

7 lots of metals and things will still get

8 through and you have to basically open the

9 plug at the bottom and periodically drain out

10 clinkers. So these tubes here are the heat

11 input for the fluidized bed. So when you

12 look at this, this is the vessel into which

13 the biomethane, the MSW will ultimately come.

14 The first thing you do, and this is actually

15 kind of maybe big difference number 4 or

16 modest difference 1A. We use a circulated

17 fluidized bed. Our technology uses this

18 fluidized bed so we fill up our vessel with

19 some kind of benign bed medium like aluminum

20 oxide, like sand really. Something that

21 helps heat transfer from where you want it to

22 come from and where you want it to go. The

23 first thing you do is you fill up your vessel

24 with your benign material. Then you put in

25 the superheated steam, magic conversion



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2 method. You fire up your heat exchangers and

3 then you get your bed up to temperature.

4 Then you bring in your material which has

5 been dried to 10 percent give or take. If

6 it's 12 it's not a problem. If it's 8 it's

7 better. And then you put it into the

8 fluidized bed. Now in this kind of thermal

9 fly wheel soupy goopy 1,500 degree bed you

10 got all this mixing going on. You are

11 converting your biomass, your MSW, you are

12 converting it into the smoke that we said,

13 you're capturing it here. Any then any

14 solids that may have gotten in there, they

15 just fall to the bed again. This is one

16 animated way of essentially showing that the

17 way that the steam is the process by which

18 you can reliably and cleanly convert the

19 usable energy in the form of hydrogen and

20 carbon monoxide into the building blocks that

21 lead to the fuel as encapsulated by H2O plus

22 carbon plus heat source, results in hydrogen

23 and carbon monoxide which together is your

24 energy gas. So that's the process in a

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2 I have a few more. So what we have

3 tried to focus on in this once over lightly

4 is, of course, the proposed products for the

5 Stony Point project. This kind of jar of

6 moonshine looking like, that is what the

7 diesel fuel exactly looks like which is kind

8 of counter-intuitive really. It's a water

9 clear substance that is the mid-distillate

10 exactly as it comes out of the process. This

11 here as it's labeled is paraffin wax. It's

12 longer chain hydrocarbons that can either be

13 used as wax which can be a lubricant, a base

14 oil, or candle material or you can further

15 crack that and turn it into more of this

16 diesel. But just as a factual matter, the

17 garbage comes in and these are the two main

18 products that come out which can then be

19 turned into all jet fuel or all diesel.

20 That's a customization issue that can be

21 determined. All of these things as you might

22 expect, but here I am pointing it out, is

23 that with the Department of Energy support

24 and the Department of Defense support, all of

25 these things have been vetted to the enth



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2 degree and verified by any number of third

3 party engineers and independent engineers

4 essentially confirming every aspect of what

5 has been presented, albeit quickly here

6 tonight.

7 This is the facility that we have

8 constructed and operated since 2008. I think

9 one reason to show this, not because there's

10 any particular -- it's kind of a convoluted

11 hard to look at and say I see where this is,

12 I see where that is. The reason we are

13 putting it in is because this is the place

14 where we have for thousands and thousands of

15 hours turned very real not kind of cherry

16 picked MSW material into the diesel and the

17 wax and the jet fuel. And it also conveys in

18 one image that it's all captured. The last

19 thing literally we want to do is to have any

20 of that converted material be pumped into the

21 atmosphere because that, as I say, that's our

22 product. So we take that and we convert it.

23 And it goes from right to left, so this is in

24 Hebrew. It goes from right to left. So the

25 biomass comes in here, the MSW, garbage comes



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2 in here, it gets converted, it gets cleaned

3 up. That's worth a quick mention or so.

4 When we create that very valuable synthesis

5 gas it needs to be cleaned. It needs to be

6 cleaned in situ, in that facility right there

7 and it is because that gas needs to be

8 extremely pristine when you take it and you

9 put it over these commercial tubes which is

10 the second stage, the one that converts the

11 gas into the transportation fuels. These are

12 exactly the size they will be here in Stony

13 Point. It's exactly what these are like.

14 It's quite a -- it's very impressive what it

15 does, but it's kind of a modest looking

16 facility. It really is.

17 This is just to give you an idea, this

18 is from our Canada project. We put this up.

19 We were trying to look for pictures. When

20 you think of it, once you put the reformer

21 vessel into a building, you don't get as good

22 a sense of what it's like. So the best time

23 to take a photo is one of these reformer

24 vessels is when it's on it's way to being

25 placed into a building. That's why we took



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2 these particular shots. You saw the

3 animation that had eight tubes. This has

4 four tubes, but it's being hoisted into its

5 housing at our facility up in Canada, up and

6 running since 2003 naturally adhering to and

7 surpassing all of the appropriately stringent

8 Canadian requirements as you would expect.

9 This is a 0F1 mill. This is back in our pulp

10 and paper days. This particular mill is a

11 0F1 mill.

12 I think I'm almost over. I hope I

13 haven't gone on too long. This is also kind

14 representing the change from a process like

15 we are beginning now and Tom mentioned we are

16 in the top of the 2nd give or take as we

17 design the particular specific process. This

18 is a manifestation of another one of our

19 projects which once upon a time was a highly

20 thought out cad drawing and then becomes a

21 facility that you go to and that actually is

22 under construction now that converts

23 municipal solid waste, post recycling,

24 feedstock into jet fuel. Those folks are

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2 desert.

3 Okay, last slide. So TRI, we are

4 implementing our clean technology for a

5 sustainable environment. That's what drives

6 us. That's what helps us get the best and

7 brightest in the company. We want to be a

8 part of the next hundred years and improve

9 the health of our planet. So we are quite

10 excited about our technologies and we are

11 really excited to be part of this project.

12 And I had this and it is literally --

13 I've never been so cold in my life as I have

14 been in the last couple days here. These

15 guys talk about the Vero Beach project. It's

16 kind of a sore spot. This is the Christmas

17 card, the holiday card that TRI sent out. We

18 don't take ourselves too seriously here. For

19 those who can't see it, it's hilarious. It's

20 a snowman without the coal eyeballs saying he

21 or she is trying to reduce his dependence of

22 fossil fuels. For those lawyers among you,

23 we did pay the royalty for our card. But I

24 couldn't get the cartoon stock off there. We

25 have a royalty agreement with the artist.



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2 So that's us. Very excited. Top of

3 the 2nd. And I think I've used up my time

4 and now I will turn it back.

5 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: What we are going

6 to do now, there's index cards available that

7 we will distribute. We will take a 10, 15

8 minute break. Write down your questions.

9 When we come back, we will read out the

10 questions for New Planet. Unfortunately we

11 have this building until 10:00 and we would

12 like to wrap up by 9:45 so the staff can get

13 the building ready for the kids in the

14 morning.

15 Everything you see tonight, the slides,

16 the recordings, once we get the minutes it

17 will be posted on our website. If you miss

18 something and you didn't get it, we are going

19 to get it on our website. As soon as we get

20 it we will get a link to New Planet. We are

21 going to get the presentation. We are going

22 to get questions. Everything will be posted.

23 So what we'll do right now -- and just a

24 reminder, the questions will be on the

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2 future meetings for other questions. We will

3 take a 10, 15 minute break. Around 8:30 I'll

4 call you back.

5

6 (SHORT RECESS TAKEN)

7

8 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Thank you.

9 Everyone, please have a seat. All right.

10 Everyone, thank you. Just, remember we have

11 to follow the cafeteria rules. Like I said

12 before the break, a lot of the questions that

13 we are going to ask that we received from the

14 public, we have to go based on the

15 presentation. There's a lot of SEQRA

16 questions that came through and safety and

17 environmental questions. Those questions we

18 are going to leave there to forward to New

19 Planet because the DEC is going to be

20 answering a lot of those. They are the ones

21 that are going to be doing the process. They

22 are the ones along with the town will be

23 looking at all those details. Those

24 questions with SEQRA, related to SEQRA,

25 related to safety, you know, if we don't get



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2 to it tonight, it will be given to New Planet

3 and it will be answered because the DEC will

4 be looking at that.

5 Since we have Chris here tonight and a

6 lot of the New Planet guys, there's questions

7 that came through with the presentation, with

8 the technology and the process. That's what

9 we are going to basically focus on with the

10 questions.

11 John, if you want to come up. I have

12 some here. For New Planet, one the questions

13 came through is what other U.S. firms process

14 and utilized the specific gasification

15 technology?

16 MR. DOHERTY: In addition to the pulp

17 and paper implementations, we are working

18 with a company called Fulcrum Bioenergy which

19 is implementing this technology in Nevada.

20 There was a photo of the facility there.

21 They have, I guess, broadly a similar mandate

22 of taking otherwise unused undervalued waste

23 streams and converting them into renewable

24 fuels. We also have energy projects, and by

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2 energy as opposed to fuels. Electricity as

3 opposed to fuels. With entities in Central

4 America and South America where they have

5 as -- perhaps as pronounced in certain places

6 as pronounced a municipal solid waste issue

7 as we do here. There's a variety of folks,

8 one company is Replanter that we work with

9 and some of the same -- some of the same

10 engineering procurement and construction

11 firms. There was a brief mention of Abengoa

12 Bioenergy. If you folks are familiar, it's a

13 Spanish based company that I think is the

14 second largest producer of ethanol in the

15 world in addition to having other energy

16 projects and we have several projects with

17 Abengoa as well.

18 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: The follow-up on

19 that would be what percentage of MSW will be

20 from outside New York State?

21 THE DOHERTY: Zero.

22 MR. CRUIKSHANK: Zero.

23 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Another question

24 is where is there a plant in the U.S. that

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2 it process a day?

3 MR. DOHERTY: Repeat that question?

4 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Where is there a

5 plant in the U.S. that produces diesel and

6 how many tons of MSW does it process a day?

7 MR. DOHERTY: The Nevada facility

8 takes in a thousand tons a day of MSW and the

9 facility in North Carolina, it's a smaller

10 unit, essentially eight wet tons, four dry

11 tons per day.

12 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Another question.

13 Besides the synthetic diesel, what other

14 by-products will be produced and/or stored on

15 the site?

16 MR. FREITAS: My name is Shawn

17 Freitas. I'm a senior process chemist for

18 TRI. Aside from the Fischer-Tropsh liquids,

19 the diesel product, that fuel product,

20 there's going to be a small amount of

21 emissions from the boilers that are used to

22 make the steam. That's not so dissimilar

23 from the furnaces and the boilers that are

24 used to heat this building. We use natural

25 gas and water to make steam to hear our



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2 reactor like Chris just talked about. That

3 will make a little bit of carbon dioxide and

4 a little bit of steam just like the furnace

5 and the boiler in this building does.

6 There's also going to be a little bit of

7 wastewater generated from the gas clean up

8 system depending on the project demand.

9 Either that wastewater is recycled on site

10 and reused or if there is local municipal

11 capacity it can be accepted there. As Chris

12 mentioned, there's a function of steam

13 reforming. The gas tends to be much, much

14 cleaner and easier to clean. So the things

15 that we're removing from it are far, far less

16 toxic than what you typically would be

17 exposed to with incinerator or combustion

18 facilities.

19 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: The next one is

20 probably a two part. Where does the heat

21 come from for the process and what fuel is

22 used to get the gasification process going?

23 MR. FREITAS: All right. So the heat

24 comes from two places. You superheat steam

25 because you have to get it up to 1,200 to



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2 1,500 degrees F before it becomes a reactive

3 steam that can be used to thermally

4 disassemble the trash. So part of that heat

5 comes from superheating the water so like a

6 steam generator. That's not hot enough.

7 Your steam that comes out of your boiler is

8 not hot enough. So in that animation that

9 Chris showed, you saw something that was

10 described as a heat exchanger sticking in and

11 out of the reactor. Those heat exchangers

12 are something incredibly -- I could talk

13 about this for hours. This is my chance, so

14 I'm going to take it. There's something

15 called a pulse combuster. There are two

16 parts of that reactor that you saw that are

17 world firsts for us that make out thermal

18 conversion better than I think just about

19 anybody else's out there. The first are

20 those tubes you saw through the reactor,

21 those heat exchangers. They are called pulse

22 combusters. And they have the benefit of

23 being some of the most efficient combustion

24 driven heat exchangers on earth. They do

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2 combustion that allows them to push heat into

3 the reactor with an efficiency that's

4 unmatched by any other process out there.

5 The other part about it that Chris didn't get

6 into too much, those fluidized beds that we

7 use are some of the deepest in the world. We

8 not only pioneered pulse combuster heat

9 exchanger technology and proven it at a

10 commercial scale and succeeded hugely, but we

11 have also pioneered these deep, deep

12 fluidized beds. They are thirty plus feet

13 deep. That is phenomenally deep. It results

14 in a situation that allows you to use a lot

15 less energy to heat the reactor than you

16 would traditionally use for something that

17 like in your normal fluidized bed combusters

18 that have like two or three feet of fluidized

19 bed. So we have thirty feet. It allows us

20 to not only use the sufficient heat

21 exchanger, but also use less energy than we

22 would have otherwise to do a really good

23 thermal conversion, good mixing, really clean

24 gasification.

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2 MR. CRUIKSHANK: It says you show the

3 pulp and paper plant in the presentation. Do

4 you have a full size working plant handling

5 MSW? Is the Florida plant the same as the

6 proposed one? The Florida plant is doing 500

7 tons a day of green waste. We are looking at

8 4,000 tons a day of municipal solid waste

9 here. Canada is 500 tons a day.

10 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Next question was

11 what happens to the small amounts of

12 discharge to be thrown away?

13 MR. DOHERTY: The question is what

14 happens to the small amount of discharge that

15 gets thrown away. When I hear that question,

16 I think of the ash that's left over. So

17 there's going to be certain amount of ash

18 when any feedstock that comes in that is

19 irreducible, nonconvertible material that can

20 and does vary by what you put in. So our ash

21 that we generate which we definitely, you

22 know, there's ash left over, is as you say 5

23 percent. Again, it's not a dodge. It

24 depends. If you bring in a certain amount of

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2 on your ash. Two points, our ash is

3 relatively small percentage, single digit

4 percentages. And it's nonhazardous which is

5 an important aspect. Depending on your

6 process, you can actually create a hazardous

7 ash that has to be disposed of in an

8 appropriate manner. If you have nonhazardous

9 ash, say some single digit percentage, that

10 can be used in concrete, that can be used in

11 aggregate, it can be land applied. There is

12 some carbon left in there that hasn't been

13 converted, so that's what happens to the ash.

14 Now, I kind of took a swipe at the

15 incineration because the reason why

16 incineration historically has much, much

17 higher levels of ash is twofold. One, they

18 take in a very different and broader range of

19 materials, but then they pulverize or they

20 essentially convert at very, very high

21 temperatures which results in heaps and heaps

22 of ash that can be hazardous.

23 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Thank you. The

24 separation of the MSW, the recyclables,

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2 in Stony Point?

3 MR. CRUIKSHANK: Yes, it is.

4 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: We might have

5 answered this. Where does the power for the

6 steam come from?

7 MR. FREITAS: That's literally just a

8 steam boiler. That's the kind of equipment

9 that is used to heat your hospitals and

10 schools. It's often heated with electricity.

11 It can be heated with natural gas. You just

12 buy regular commodity power and fire a steam

13 boiler.

14 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Next question was

15 can you share a ballpark project cost? I

16 think we did that in the beginning.

17 MR. CRUIKSHANK: Ballpark project cost

18 is nearly $600 million.

19 MR. DOHERTY: Someone was waving and I

20 couldn't interpret the hand gesture. I'm

21 glad that they waved. Shawn's answer about

22 burning natural gas to provide heat that is

23 used in the process is certainly an accurate

24 one. It's also entirely possible and we have

25 done it, that we can skive off some of our



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2 own internally generated syngas/smoke and use

3 that as a fuel to create the heat. So that's

4 as I say, it's more a question of what exact

5 configuration you want to go with? Just as a

6 practical matter, you can either go with

7 natural gas, you know, burning natural gas or

8 you can -- once you start up, you have to

9 start with something. So you need a pilot

10 light at first. Once you get up and going

11 you can then take your just created

12 smoke/syngas and use that as a fuel too. It

13 can be either or.


15 is how many times have you pitched this

16 project and what were the objections to those

17 who declined to home this plant or house this

18 plant?

19 MR. CRUIKSHANK: I'm not sure what you

20 mean by how many times we pitched it other

21 than we have been in New York exploring this

22 as a possibility for more than a year and a

23 half. So I guess we pitched it a number of

24 times. We've really come in and explored the

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2 might be accepted by the community. And what

3 was the other?

4 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: And what were the

5 objections to those who declined to house the

6 plant?

7 MR. CRUIKSHANK: With respect to

8 anybody declining to house us, out of

9 probably thirty potential sites, there was

10 one. It was in the area -- I'm not sure if

11 it's a city or town called Corinth up north

12 and they had a bad experience with a previous

13 facility that they just didn't want this in

14 the neighborhood any longer. Other than

15 that, we have not had any neighborhoods say

16 we're not interested. We just for a number

17 of variables this particular site proved to

18 be ideal for us and we hope to work that

19 through with you and move ahead.

20 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Another question,

21 two part. How do you load the sand in the

22 process and dispose of it?

23 MR. DOHERTY: How does the bed

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2 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Yeah. How do you

3 dispose of it?

4 MR. DOHERTY: Actually in some

5 respects the animation is kind of

6 representational. In this one it's dumped

7 in. It's dumped in the bed from the top.

8 The aluminum oxide is like a sand and a small

9 amount per year will escape or attrit. It's

10 pretty small. It's a single digit percentage

11 of that bed material will attrit and that

12 just gets replaced by adding back X percent,

13 again, single digits per year into the bed.

14 I say it's like sand. It really is. When it

15 does come out, if it gets caught up in the

16 ash, it's like little particles of sand.

17 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: The second part is

18 how do you cool the system? I don't know if

19 we talked about that.

20 MR. FREITAS: As a highly integrated

21 small biorefinery, I know that what we just

22 described to you sounds big, but compared to

23 a monster petro-chem refinery, we are tiny.

24 In order to make that work we have to be

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2 as little waste as possible. Heat is one of

3 those things. So we recover heat from our

4 exhaust and any place we can in the process

5 that's hot enough in something called heat

6 recovery steam generators. So those are all

7 over the place. The only other part of the

8 process that's cooled other than places that

9 we are recovering waste heat are the

10 Fischer-Tropsh reactors and they are cooled

11 with steam. So steam is put into the

12 reactor, that steam becomes even hotter as

13 bonds are formed and molecules are made.

14 That hot steam then goes through a HRSG and

15 another heat exchanger and it's sometimes

16 recycled, sometimes fresh makeup is put in.

17 In general, there's not all that much

18 cooling. We are working hard to make it hot

19 to drive the conversion. There's a little

20 bit of -- there's certainly some cooling that

21 happens in the gas clean up. But again, the

22 vast majority of the heat removed in the

23 process comes from those HRSG's and the FT

24 reactor. Actually I'm going to segue into

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2 Chris' decs, but I wanted to say to all of

3 you, our fuel making process is a lot like

4 making plastic. It's not -- this isn't a new

5 fangled Star Wars fuel process. What we're

6 doing is we're polymerizing carbon monoxide

7 together to make fuel molecules. So it's not

8 special effects. The world has been doing

9 Fischer-Tropsh for, I think, a couple hundred

10 years now. It's been awhile. The world is

11 really, really good at it. It really is just

12 a polymerization reaction, so it's not

13 special or untested. It's just a different

14 way of using polymerization to make fuels

15 instead of plastics using gas.

16 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Another question.

17 What is the feedstock capacity of the

18 proposed plant in tons per day?

19 MR. CRUIKSHANK: The feedstock

20 capacity tons per day is 4,000 tons per day.

21 Our assumptions are based on let's assume

22 4,000 tons coming in. We are assuming that

23 50 percent of that gross weight is going to

24 be consisting of recyclables, moisture and

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2 that. We really are seeking to process 2,000

3 tons a day and generate 38 million gallons a

4 year of renewable diesel.

5 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: What is the

6 production rate of diesel in barrels per day

7 or gallons per year?

8 MR. DOHERTY: I can do this. It works

9 out to be 2,260 barrels a day.

10 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: 2,260?

11 MR. DOHERTY: 2,260 barrels a day,

12 give or take.

13 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: I guess this goes

14 back to feedstock. Does it include

15 biosolids? I guess they have sewage sludge.

16 MR. CRUIKSHANK: Yes, it can include

17 biosolids like sewage sludge. We would want

18 to dry those out. The material itself can be

19 dried and processed.


21 is what is the -- we might have answered

22 this. What is the basic difference between

23 the Vero Beach and Stony Point technology?

24 MR. CRUIKSHANK: They are two

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2 both are gasification, the TRI technology is

3 a more efficient and much more attractive

4 technology. The Vero Beach process is

5 agricultural waste into ethanol. This

6 process is municipal solid waste into

7 electricity and renewable diesel.

8 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: If the steam

9 reformers (indiscernible) clean ash, why

10 would there be a need to contract to

11 transport hazardous materials to a special

12 site in Lewistown, New York?

13 MR. CRUIKSHANK: I'm not sure I

14 understand the question because we have no

15 intention of -- no discussion thus far into

16 shipping hazardous waste anywhere. The ash

17 that comes out is to be considered a clean

18 ash and is going to be utilized by concrete

19 and cement companies as a blend and

20 strengthener for that material.

21 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Next question is

22 the process used in the conversion of a pile

23 MSW into the gardens and parks you want is

24 not clear. Where does the separation occur?

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2 Where does the unwanted material of the MSW

3 go?

4 MR. CRUIKSHANK: At this time

5 everything will be done on site. The MSW

6 will come in, it will be source separated.

7 Once the recyclables are separated, they will

8 be sent to recyclers. If I understood

9 correctly, the residual products, the

10 organics and such will be utilized, will be

11 dried and then utilized in the process.

12 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: The other question

13 was I think a few people in the beginning

14 might have missed the introduction. If you

15 could just introduce everyone who did the

16 presentations where a lot of people missed

17 that in the beginning. If you can just go

18 through that.

19 MR. CRUIKSHANK: My name is John

20 Cruikshank with New Planet Energy. We have

21 Chris Dorothy with TRI. New Planet Energy

22 CEO is Gary Smith. Thomas Yonge has been

23 with us, he's with Golder Associates, Tom

24 Yonge.

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2 Another question was where does the water

3 come from for the process for the steam

4 conversion?

5 MR. CRUIKSHANK: If I understand the

6 question correctly, a great deal of -- a

7 large volume of the water we are looking for,

8 we are in the process of -- we've been

9 discussing it with the town and we can

10 utilize post-treatment water for that

11 otherwise known as gray or nonpotable water.

12 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: I guess one other

13 question -- another question, what does the

14 word cleaned mean?

15 MR. DOHERTY: What does the word

16 cleaned mean?

17 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: In the process.

18 MR. DOHERTY: In the process, sure. I

19 think it probably means different things at

20 different times. I do think the first thing

21 I thought of and want to point out is when we

22 create the syngas from the municipal solid

23 waste, the syngas, the smoke needs to be

24 cleaned. It needs to be cleaned to a very,

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2 going to be put over the Fischer-Tropsh

3 catalyst which is a remarkable substance, but

4 which is very intolerant of any contaminants.

5 So the syngas when it's first created has a

6 lot of cats and dogs in there as far as

7 different contaminants. If those

8 contaminants were to get through to the

9 catalyst, it would directly and negatively

10 affect the catalyst's ability to make a

11 transportation fuel. So the best image we

12 showed you was of the plant in North Carolina

13 where the middle of the facility, the bulk of

14 that was gas clean up, so when we say the

15 syngas is cleaned, we are saying the syngas

16 created from the incoming material, although

17 primarily composed of carbon and hydrogen,

18 carbon monoxide and hydrogen, it also has

19 trace elements of other materials,

20 contaminants which we cannot let through so

21 we have a system of scrubbers and guards and

22 other methods to trap to the parts per

23 billion that syngas. So other times when we

24 talk about a clean technology, kind a more

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2 meaning kind of at a minimum best available

3 technology and one that reduces greenhouse

4 gas emissions. On the greenhouse gas

5 emissions issue, it's probably worth pointing

6 out that in some of the other projects that

7 we have been involved in, the price of

8 admission for those projects to get the

9 government support is to have a significant

10 reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, so you

11 have to show through the life cycle analysis

12 that Tom Yonge described that your process is

13 clean, which admittedly can be kind of a

14 fuzzy term, but you have to show that it

15 results in a significant reduction in the

16 amount of greenhouse gas going into the

17 atmosphere. Those types of models shown, and

18 by significant we're talking 75 to 80 percent

19 reductions in the standard greenhouse gas

20 emissions. So that's a twofold answer. An

21 attempted twofold answer. Number 1, we clean

22 that synthesis gas to a remarkable degree not

23 just because we think it's the right thing,

24 but also because as a practical matter the

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2 contaminants. And 2, in order to be in this

3 sector, you have to show with data

4 significant reductions in greenhouse gases to

5 get in. John reminded me that some of us may

6 have used the term clean ash. That is an

7 attempt to get across this idea that not all

8 ash is created equal and if someone says

9 there's a lot of ash, it doesn't ever sound

10 good, but there's ash that's loaded with

11 horrible materials and it's hazardous and

12 it's awful and it's a function of the process

13 that created it. It can be awful. And

14 there's ash that is really kind of a benign

15 resulting amount that no matter what your

16 process is can't be converted and if it's not

17 hazardous which you determine through

18 testing, it can be used as a material. You

19 get up to certain levels, yes, you can land

20 apply it, from a volume reduction point of

21 view you are already significantly reducing

22 volume of MSW in and ash out, forgetting

23 about the fuels and the electricity. At the

24 same time you still want to use every little

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2 of this ash being clean ash and being non-

3 hazardous you can do a lot of different stuff

4 with it.

5 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Thank you, Chris.

6 Just like I said before, a lot of cards that

7 I read tonight were on the process. A lot of

8 the cards that had SEQRA questions, safety

9 questions, that's questions that the DEC is

10 going to go through. They didn't really want

11 us to answer a lot of those questions because

12 they are still gathering the information.

13 Those questions we are forwarding over to New

14 Planet. They will be answered. I didn't

15 get -- just to give an update from the Town

16 Board or the Planning Board, I didn't get the

17 index cards if you wanted to ask something or

18 just wait. I'll throw that opportunity out

19 there.

20 SPEAKER FROM THE FLOOR: Is this a

21 twenty-four hour operation?

22 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Hold on. What we

23 are going to do, the process, I think --

24 (interrupted)

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2 is definitely a twenty-four hour a day

3 process. As far as what you might call the

4 front end conversion of the incoming MSW into

5 the usable feedstock, that can either be

6 done -- that's typically done in shorter

7 shifts. It's important that the process

8 stays a twenty-four hour process, but that's

9 not to say that every aspect of the plant is

10 a twenty-four hour process. Again, there are

11 different ways to approach it as you would

12 expect, but I think the closest thing to a

13 typical one is to have -- is to always have

14 the process going twenty-four hours because

15 it's a real -- there's significant advantages

16 of staying up and warm once you're up and

17 warm. But there can be shifts. Like normal

18 shifts for other aspects of the work which

19 can be, you know, done over five days and not

20 seven.

21 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Like I said in the

22 beginning, tonight was an informational

23 meeting to educate you guys, the Town Board

24 and Planning Board. Unlike a public hearing

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2 took them in forms of index cards. As the

3 process goes forward and there are more

4 meetings and public hearings, this is when

5 you will have the opportunity to ask

6 questions, stand up and ask questions. As

7 far as tonight, this is an informational

8 meeting.

9 So what we will do is to wrap up

10 tonight, everything that is discussed tonight

11 will be on the website. A link to their

12 presentation. A link to the website. Links

13 to any other information that we will get we

14 are going to put on the website. We are

15 right now working with our web administrator

16 to update our website. A lot of this stuff

17 will be found on our planning page. We are

18 updating things. We will put in links. The

19 one thing I want to ask everyone, if you have

20 a question, you can call, you can ask the

21 town, you can ask one of the officials.

22 That's what we are here for. We don't want

23 the hearsay I heard from this person, from

24 this person. Just ask us. That's what we

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2 They will have a meeting.

3 What I'll do now before I close, Geoff

4 is going to just give a little wrap. After

5 Geoff is done I'll give some more information

6 before we close.

7 SUPERVISOR FINN: I just wanted to

8 make a few comments and more importantly

9 thank everyone. We have to thank, of course,

10 our school board for allowing us use of this

11 room. I know Ileana Eckert is here in the

12 back. Ileana, are you still here? Ileana

13 has been a great help getting this room. We

14 have to thank the staff here at the Farley

15 School. They did a great job setting up

16 chairs and everything else. We were in here

17 this afternoon helping them and they did a

18 wonderful job again. Of course our

19 presenters here tonight. They did a

20 wonderful job here tonight. But most

21 importantly we have to thank you. We have to

22 thank you for coming out, for caring about

23 your community. Coming out and listening and

24 being respectful here tonight. This was

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2 We thank the Town Board of course and of

3 course our Planning Board as well.

4 As Tom just said, there's going to be

5 many more opportunities for the public to be

6 involved in this. This is something that is

7 going to be out here. This is not something

8 that we're going to make decisions. It's

9 something that you are going to make

10 decisions with us. You are going to work

11 alongside of us. We are learning along with

12 you. As I said earlier in this process, we

13 are not scientists or anything else up here

14 as board members. We are learning as we go

15 along. I can assure you many of us are here

16 tonight, we want to hear what's going on, but

17 we are scared. We are being taxed out of our

18 homes. It's the God's honest truth. We are

19 being taxed out of our homes and we want to

20 make sure that we are keeping an open mind

21 and listening to a possibility of a plant

22 coming here. There's great tax benefits to

23 this. I'm not going to throw out numbers

24 here, but that's what this is about. This is

25 about tax ratables. We understand that. Let



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2 me assure you this. Mark my word, we will

3 not bring something in here that we think is

4 going to hurt, jeopardize the safety and

5 health of our residents. That's not what we

6 do. We are elected to stand up for the

7 people of our community. That's what we're

8 going to do. That's what the Planning Board

9 is going to do. We know that the DEC is

10 going to do the same exact thing. We are

11 very confident that the presenters here have

12 given us an early presentation of what this

13 is about. As the process goes along we are

14 all going to learn exactly how this works and

15 hopefully in the end we will all benefit with

16 jobs and a great tax ratable.

17 So I really want to thank you for

18 coming out tonight. We really, really

19 appreciate it and I'm going to turn it back

20 over to Tom.

21 CHAIRMAN GUBITOSA: Just to say it

22 again, our Planning Board meeting is the

23 fourth Thursday of the month. Our Planning

24 Board meeting and minutes are on the website.

25 So if New Planet is going to be on our



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2 agenda, it will be publicized on our website.

3 Everything is there. We are going to have

4 links. Right now we have links to

5 presentations that New Planet had done. We

6 have a SEQRA document up there. If you are

7 not familiar with the process, we have

8 documents on the website that show you

9 exactly what goes on in the process.

10 Like Geoff said, I want to thank you

11 all for coming out, being respectful for the

12 presentation, letting them continue. Thank

13 you to the school and to the staff. I know

14 they want to get us out of here so they can

15 clean up for tomorrow. Thank you.

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