Stakeholder ConsultationsKim Allen, P.Eng.CEO/RegistrarProfessional Engineers Ontario

April 1, 2009

National Framework for Membership and LicensureNational Framework for Membership and Licensure

Membership has its privilegesLicensure ensures . . . Public Accountability

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When did regulation start?When did regulation start?

The ancient Romans had a tradition: Whenever An engineer constructed an Whenever An engineer constructed an arch, as the capstone was hoisted into arch, as the capstone was hoisted into

place, the engineer assumed place, the engineer assumed accountabilityaccountability for his work in the most for his work in the most

profound way possible: profound way possible:

he stood under the he stood under the arch!arch!

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What’s the Problem?What’s the Problem?

Today’s Legislative Frameworks do not reflect the realities of a modern engineering profession.

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Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status.

Laurence J. Peter

Current licensing regimes Current licensing regimes established in the 1920sestablished in the 1920s

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What are the symptoms?What are the symptoms?

PEO internal concerns: Low uptake rates by Canadian and International Graduates Enhanced student membership program Seamless transition from undergraduate to licensed P. Eng. A structured, measurable, knowledge-based internship program Close the back doors to the practice of professional engineering Alignment of licensing process and regulations Effectiveness of the Certificate of Authorization

PEO external concerns: Licensed Engineering Technologists Full mobility in Canada Better mobility with the US Recommendations of “From Consideration to Integration”

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What are the drivers?What are the drivers?

No licensing model adequately addresses all of these issues

Premiers inter-provincial trade agreement . . . they say they’ll guarantee full labour mobility across the country

October 2008, the President-SLG initiated a task force to develop a vision and a set of principles for a National Framework for Membership & Licensure.

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What should the Framework Accomplish?What should the Framework Accomplish?

1. Facilitate National Harmonization

2. Ensure Full Mobility

3. Make Enforcement Easier/Effective

4. Provide Leadership in Labour Force Development

5. Register all Engineers with the Profession

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1. National Harmonization1. National Harmonization

Provincial Acts/Regulations are increasingly different

Different requirement to obtain and maintain a licence/membership

Different exceptions to be licensedDifferent title protection

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The National Framework for Membership & The National Framework for Membership & Licensure requires uniform legislation regarding:Licensure requires uniform legislation regarding:

Requirements for membership, licences, designations and specializations

Exceptions not to be licensed Protection of titles and designationsFacilitating practice with other regulated

professions doing engineeringRigour of due diligence for licensing,

complaints, discipline and enforcement

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National Framework for Membership and LicensureNational Framework for Membership and Licensure

What’s already in place?What’s already in place?

National Accreditation system National International Institute Degree Database National Database of licence holders and

members Common Membership Application Form Presidents-SLG adopted the concept for further

discussion leading toward a nationally accepted vision and established a task force to: promote and support Presidents’ consultations with

Councils, members & stakeholders, develop/refine the National Vision for adoption by the

Constituent Members in May 2009.

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2. Ensure Full Mobility2. Ensure Full Mobility

Alignment with the objectives of the Agreement on Internal TradeRemove obstacles to competitivenessProvide barrier free mobility for all members

and licence holders Mobility easy – with uniform

requirements and uniform rigour of assessments.

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3. Make Enforcement Easier/Effective3. Make Enforcement Easier/Effective

The same engineering activities, products and services regulated in all jurisdictions So the public is assured that all engineers are

competent and accountable for the work they do, Public health, safety and welfare are protected

Easier to govern members than non-members Supervisory exception makes it impossible to

govern all individuals practising engineering, Engineering teams are regulated and work

together.

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Simplify EnforcementSimplify Enforcement

Establish a Statutory Tribunal for enforcement matters Eliminate the need for the courts to deal with

enforcement matters Operates under the auspices of the professional

engineering organizations. Decisions may be appealed to court Jurisdiction limited by the establishing legislation Subject to the Canadian Charter of Rights and

Freedoms.

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Reduction of the current public confusion of Reduction of the current public confusion of licence holders vs. engineering graduateslicence holders vs. engineering graduates

Titles, designations, licences and membership would be distinct and clear to the public.

All registered members would be obligated to a common code of ethics, and would be obligated to ensure clarity to the public.

Required Reach of Engineering RegulationRequired Reach of Engineering Regulation Engineers Limited

Overlap Moderate Overlap

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4. E4. Exercise Leadership in Labour xercise Leadership in Labour Force DevelopmentForce Development

Today governments and the public are demanding that professional regulators expand their role to ensure there is an adequate supply of qualified practitioners in the areas of demand.

Credential recognition, workforce development and mobility become national competitive advantages, Better utilization of “engineering” skills and talent Members are helped to become licensed Seamless transition for Students to P.Eng. Seamless process from consideration to integration

for International Engineering Graduates

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Engineering Labour MarketEngineering Labour Market

Two-thirds of persons with a Canadian university degree in engineering were employed outside engineering occupations.

For those who obtained their engineering degree outside of Canada, the proportion was over 80%.

Approximately 30% of persons classified by the Census as working in engineering occupations were not university engineering graduates.

Source (2006 Census)

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5. Register all Engineers with the 5. Register all Engineers with the ProfessionProfession

Differentiate between registering with the profession and being licensed to practice engineering

United profession = more public policy clout Regulators assume that the P.Engs are the profession Licence holders only make up one-third of the profession Public believes all "iron ringer wearers" are engineers Under 50% of Canadian engineering grads apply to be licensed 30% of applicants can't get four years of experience

Ensure that registration and licensure are seen as being necessary and that they add value.

Reframe engineering as a welcoming, engaging and inclusive profession.

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order that the public interest may be served and protected.

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Value of Licensure & RegistrationValue of Licensure & Registration

“It is clear licensure and certification are seen as bulwarks for the ethic and culture of professionalism and that this is the major factor behind support for licensure and certification on the part of both professional employees and their employers.”

Engineering and Technology Labour Market Study 2008

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Council’s across Canada are asked Council’s across Canada are asked to consider the following motion:to consider the following motion:

That Council: Support the vision for a National Framework for

Membership and Licensure; Endorse the Principles – National Framework for

Membership and Licensure; Direct the Executive Director/CEO to participate as

project manager in the development of the details of the framework; and

Authorize the President to support the vision and principles for the development of a National Framework for Membership and Licensure, as may be amended, at the meeting of Engineers Canada’s constituent members in May 2009.

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The Vision - A dynamic National Framework for Membership and Licensure where:

All individuals engaged in engineering activities can become members of the profession and participate in its governance;

All engineering practitioners are able to fully utilize their training, experience and expertise;

All members practising engineering are licensed according to their competencies and are held publicly accountable for their work and conduct;

Engineering activities, services and products are effectively regulated;

All members and licence holders enjoy full mobility across Canada;

In addition the framework will: Create a platform for global mobility Operate in all jurisdictions Facilitate the convergence of provincial legislation Build public confidence in the regulation of engineering Promote renewal of the profession

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Principles - Principles - National Framework for National Framework for Membership and LicensureMembership and Licensure

To uphold and protect the public interest: 1. Regulate engineering activities, products and

services;

2. Prescribe uniform membership and licensing requirements;

3. Ensure that registration practices are transparent, objective, impartial and fair;

4. Provide flexible paths for registered members to gain licences, specializations and designations that recognize their competencies;

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Principles - Principles - National Framework for National Framework for Membership and Licensure Membership and Licensure (continued)(continued)

5. Provide full national mobility for all members and licences;

6. Proactively address overlaps with other professions;

7. Build a platform for global mobility;8. Simplify legislation;9. Build, enhance and communicate pride in the

profession;10. Serve the public, members and licence

holders in a relevant, efficient, effective and non-bureaucratic manner.

A Working ModelA Working Model

Consistent with the above principles

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Implementation OverviewImplementation Overview Phase I

Agree on the “ground rules” to resolve differences Develop processes/details for the framework Lever the Agreement on Internal Trade (AIT) to engage

governments Construct a road map to work within our provincial constraints

and move to the National Framework for Membership and National Framework for Membership and LicensureLicensure

Phase II Develop the licenses to able us to regulate all engineering

activities, products and services Model clauses for legislation Provide full mobility for these licenses

Phase III Inclusively of all in the profession Promotion of the profession

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Stakeholders benefiting from the Stakeholders benefiting from the National Framework for Membership and LicensureNational Framework for Membership and Licensure

The Public Federal government All Provincial & Territorial governments Employers of Engineers Members Canadian Engineering Graduates International Engineering Graduates Engineering Students Canadian Engineering Schools Holders of professional licences Applied Science Grads, B.Tech Grads, Licensed Profe

ssionals & Technologist The Profession

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HRSDC approved $130K funding HRSDC approved $130K funding for Engineers Canada to:for Engineers Canada to:

Eliminate the need for the inter-association mobility agreement;

Allow for the seamless mobility of all classifications of engineering licensure and registration to address the needs of the Agreement on Internal Trade;

Develop a comprehensive licensing model that could form the basis of legislative changes in the Provinces and Territories to reduce differences in approaches;

Gain a clear understanding of the EU member states’ methods of recognizing engineers;

Provide clearer, more accessible access to registration for all engineering graduates

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"the status quo shall remain the same"  "the status quo shall remain the same" 

Yogi Berra . . . must have been a bureaucrat!

Advice, Feedback & QuestionsAdvice, Feedback & Questions

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Benefits for Benefits for the Publicthe Public

Public health, safety and welfare are protected,

Assurance that engineers are competent and accountable for the work they do,

Access to talented workforce, Framework for innovation, Profession committed to developing of the

next generation of engineers, and High-level of professionalism.

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Benefits for Benefits for Provincial GovernmentsProvincial Governments

Consumer protection, Resources to support the Innovation Agenda Full utilization of International Engineering Grads, Role model in compliance with AIT, Provincial regulator operating with the best practices,

Model for other regulated professions, Labour force planning, development and data, Means to create Public Interest Specialists, and Partner to resolve problems, including expertise

engineering-public policy issues.

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Benefits for Benefits for the Federal Governmentthe Federal Government

Full mobility across Canada and around the world, Full utilization of International Engineering Grads Labour force planning, development and data, Engineering workforce are the national competitive

advantage in the knowledge economy, Support for the innovation agenda, Ability to interact with the profession as a whole Only the required level of regulation Reduced labour market frictions Assurance of quality work and expertise Uniform national standards Orderly administration of technical classifications Model for other professions

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Benefits for Benefits for EmployersEmployers

Professional and accountable workforce, Transparent recruitment practices,

Clarity of credential recognition Skills development opportunities for internship

and life long learning, Ease of exporting services nationally and

internationally, Labour force data, and Access to a greater talent pool of licence

holders.

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Benefits for Benefits for MembersMembers

A welcoming, engaging and inclusive profession, Extensive network of fellow professionals, Participation in the governance of the profession, Professional recognition, Enhanced employability and opportunities for career

advancement, Meeting client expectations, Opportunity to increase earnings, Full inter-provincial mobility Supporting national initiatives, and Access to affinity programs

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Benefits for Benefits for Canadian Engineering GraduatesCanadian Engineering Graduates

Early access to membership benefits, Ongoing engagement with the

profession, Recognition of credentials by employers, Support from the regulator on the path to

licensure, andRecognition of ongoing progress.

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Benefits for Benefits for International Engineering GraduatesInternational Engineering Graduates

Early access to membership benefits, Credential recognition by employers, Swifter integration into the workforce, Support from the regulator,

Guidance to the membership category that matches their credentials;

Full recognition of competencies and credentials that may help in meeting registration/licensing requirements;

Flexible paths to gain licenses, specializations and designations; Ability to work with a collaborator to gain knowledge of

Canadian codes and standards, and Recognition of ongoing progress.

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Benefits for Benefits for Engineering StudentsEngineering Students

Early and ongoing membership and engagement with the profession,

Seamless transition to licensure, Monitoring of work experience, Industry contacts for capstone project, Support for student activities, Recognition of credentials by employers, and Recognition of ongoing progress.

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Benefits for Benefits for Engineering SchoolsEngineering Schools

Strengthened ties with the profession Linkages to industry Enhanced professionalism Greater student engagement

Labour supply data for enrolment planning Graduate career patterns

75% intend to pursue engineering careers 11% graduate studies

Recognition of emerging disciplines

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Benefits for Benefits for Professional Licence HoldersProfessional Licence Holders

Full inter-provincial mobilityOngoing access to membership benefits,Flexible paths to gain:

Specializations Designations

Ability to hold a certificate of authorization to offer services to the public.

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Benefits for -Benefits for - Applied Science Grads, B.Tech Applied Science Grads, B.Tech Grads, Licensed Professionals & TechnologistGrads, Licensed Professionals & Technologist

Membership and engagement with the profession,

Full inter-provincial mobility Full application of technical training in the

practice of engineering, Increased value as a member of the

engineering team, Recognition of engineering competencies, Opportunity to progress to a full licence, and Ability to independently practice engineering

within specific scope and offer those services to the public.

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Benefits for the ProfessionBenefits for the Profession

Expanded and diverse membership, Public leadership, Flexibility to meet tomorrow’s challenges Renewal, Framework that addresses today’s needs, Public recognition, More influence, Legislation to support the framework, Able to speak as the Canadian profession