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St Petersburg - ICTP 2008 1
Third International Conference on Teaching of Psychology (ICTP-2008).
St.-Petersburg Psychological Society, St-Petersburg State University, July 12-16, 2008.
Training for psychologists in French universities:
an introduction and a look at the current debates in this area
Benoît Schneider President of the AEPU
Association des Enseignants-chercheurs en Psychologie des Universités,
Catherine Wieder Secretaire of the AEPU
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Introduction:
Training in psychologyand
university training for psychologists,
in France
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1. Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists, in
France
Main characteristics of the model used in training future psychologists
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1.Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists, in
France
Main characteristics of the model used in training future psychologists
Assets and weaknesses
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1.Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists,in
France
Main characteristics of the university model used in training future psychologists
Assets and weaknesses Evolution factors
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for
psychology and future psychologists
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and future
psychologists
Specifications of the training for psychologists within and via university education
One of the most attractive subjects in higher education
Studying psychology or becoming a psychologist?
At Master level: a late selection
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and
future psychologists
(1) Specifications of the training for
psychologists within and via university education
The 25 july 1985 law: a protected title
Degree + Master + stage
No selective entry for admission
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and future
psychologists
(2) One of the most attractive subjects in higher education
More than 65.000 students- 1997 : 57.500- 2001: 62.500- 2006: 67.200- 2007: 64.400
25% of the European students of psychology
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and
future psychologists
(3) Studying psychology or becoming a
psychologist?
At bachelor’s degree (licence) level:
- a « weakened » specialization - diversified expectations poorly taken into account
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1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and
future psychologists
(4) At Master level: a late selection
Restricted intake at M2 entrance only
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Assets and weaknesses
(+)
A high level requirement: a research training using research
A flexible and reactive vocational training system
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Assets and weaknesses (+)(1) A high level requirement: a practical training
coupled with a research training based on research Diplôme national de Master, Arrêté du 25-04-02,
art.6. « La formation comprend (…) une initiation à la recherche et
notamment la rédaction d’un mémoire (…). »« The training includes (…) an initiation to research
and a dissertation (…). » Arrêté du 19-05-2006 relatif aux modalités
d’organisation du stage professionnel [en vue de l’obtention] du titre de psychologue, art.2.
« Le stage professionnel est d’une durée minimale de 500 heures (…) »
« A more than 500 hours long vocational training course (…) »
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Assets and weaknesses (+)
(2) A flexible and reactive vocational training system : From DESS to Masters Pro, from DEA to Masters Recherche
DESS/Master Pro
1994 2007 2007if
optionalsubjects
Health / clinical 26 51 71Social and work psychology
25 36 45
Educational and developmental
13 26 31
64 113 147DEA/Master Research 33 49 61
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Assets and weaknesses(-)
A flexible training system… but with a lack of visibility for the employers
An excess quantity of degrees and/or graduates? A selection applied too late A lack of trainers A too strict status of the occupation of
Professor-Researcher Wrong relations between training and teaching A subject facing strong theoretical and
ideological divergences An overall university context little suitable for
evolution
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(1)A flexible training system… but with a lack of visibility for the employers
Complicated titles Unclear degree listings Badly identified training courses and
competences
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(2) An excess quantity of degrees and/or graduates?
Nb of registere
d students
in
total all
levelsin M1 in M2
Nb of places in
M2
1996 57486 10750 3278 2810
2006 67197 12048 4609 5381
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(3) A too late applied selection
Two times more students in M1 than in M2 Systematized strategies in holding back
or repeating years Years of studies without any valuable
degree A major problem in degrees educational
consistency Integration difficulties A deskilling of the profession
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(4) A lack of trainers
2004 facts One trainer for 67 students
Subjects Nb= %
Clinical/Psychopathology
281 29
Child and Developmental
158 16
Cognitive 130 13,5
Social 196 20
Vocational 39 4
Psychophysiology and Ethology
22 2
Statistics 13 1,5
Miscellaneous 129 13,5
Total 968 100
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(5) A too strict and too lenient status of the occupation of Professor-Researcher
Dispensatory status of the Professor-researcher
Not well known practice No contractual agreement
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(6) Wrong relations between research and teaching
Vocational degrees based on research? A loose link between research and
professionalization
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(7) Psychology: a subject facing strong theoretical and ideological divergences
Organisations and decision making processes
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Assets and weaknesses (-)
(8) An overall university context little suitable for evolution
Exemple : the selection process
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3. A few potential factors for change
A progressive clarification of the training plan
External pressures compel to define the required competences
The enrolment of professionals in the training course has started
The control of the integration into the world of work and the employment must be supported
The beginning of work among professional organizations
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3. A few potential factors for change
(1)A progressive clarification of the training system
Bachelor’s degrees and vocational degrees Restricted admission at M1 entrance The « Master unique » (merging of master
pro and research)
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3. A few potential factors for change
(2) External pressures compel to define the required competences
The national committee for authentification of foreign degrees in psychology (« Commission nationale chargée d’évaluer le niveau des diplômes étrangers en psychologie »)
2007: 194 applications (92 in UE ; 102 out UE) 138 accepted
Authentification of Skills and Experiences (VAE : « Validation des acquis de l’expérience »)
Europsy
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3. A few potential factors for change
(3) The enrolment of professionals in the training course has started:
The May 19th 2006 decree This enrolment is to become
institutionalized and vocational
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3. A few potential factors for change
(4) The control of the integration into the world of work and the employment must be supported
The observers of student paths and their integration into the world of work
Number of psychologists in France?
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3. A few potential factors for change
(5) The beginning of work among professional organizations
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4. Conclusions
NbrÉtud
inscrits
NbrStuddipl
Dipl/étud
Nbrpraticie
ns
Durée de vieprat
Salaire
Débuteuros
Nbr psy/hab
B 5.000 900 1/5,5 20.000 22 ans
1.800 1/525
S 8.000 8.000 1/9 12.000 15 ans
2.800 1/625
F 65.000 3600 1/18 30.000 7,5 ans
1.400 1/1333