So your son/daughter wants to be a……

Medic/Dentist/Pharmacist/Optometrist?

Sue Ashwin Vice Principal

Success at Sixth Form

•To clear up misapprehensions•To support you in supporting your son/daughter•To understand the competitive picture•To consider alternatives

Why do we need this session?

http://www.pcmd.ac.uk/admissions_bmbs.php?tab=entry_requirements

http://www2.le.ac.uk/study/ugp/medicine

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/students/courses/undergraduate/med/dental-surgery.aspx

The Hard Facts

• Successful medical students from QE had an average of : GCSE - 10.6 A+A*, AS - 271 UCAS points ( AAAAC is 280), A2 - 433 points (A*A*A* is 420)• All achieved an A grade in AS biology and

chemistry• Successful students achieved in all areas ie

GCSE + AS + A + relevant experience + good Ukcat/Bmat score

• The minimum entry achieved at A2 was AAA

• Few medical schools accept a grade C in GCSE English or maths

2013 entry - Medicine

• Medicine 40 students applied - 12 offers – 13 starters

• Dentistry 20 applied - 7 offers – 9 starters• Pharmacy 70 applied - 45 offers – 41 starters• Foundation Medicine at Nottingham received

> 40 applications for each place. • The lowest offer for Medicine and Dentistry

is AAA• Pharmacy offers mainly AAB with some ABB

and a couple BBB

2013 entry

• Midwifery 7 students applied - 0 offers – 0 starters

• Nursing 15 applied - 5 offers – 4 starters

• Optometry 15 applied - 14 offers – 12 starters

2013 entryOther related

courses

• The unusual situation of more starting medicine and dentisty than offers is because the students were originally rejected by  the university but then offered a place post results.

• No student received an offer/place for children’s nursing  or midwifery.

• The  number starting optometry includes 2 students rejected for dentistry and 1 for medicine.

• The number starting pharmacy includes 2 students rejected for dentistry and 3 for medicine.

• The rejected dentist and medicine students obtained their  places via Extra/clearing  as those who put optometry or pharmacy as 5th choice on UCAS application received rejections ( except one)

2012 entry

• UCAS report in 2012 the ratio of applications to each acceptance was

11 to 1. The number applying for medicine for 2013 was at a similar

level to 2012 .• In their 2014 prospectus, Leicester quote 2463 applications for 162 places - higher than the average.

National Picture

Still think they can do it?

• Evidence of experience AND impact

• The BEST results- EVERY module in ALL subjects

• Adopting advice re applications

Helping themselves

• Parental pressure/expectation

• Mismatch - aspiration v performance

• External drivers – HE Funding and admissions policies

Issues to consider

•Another health related career•A similar but less competitive HE course eg Pharmaceutical Science/Biomed Science/Dental hygiene

Some options

•Careful research•Careful discussion•Careful planning•Open mind to alternatives•A realistic application ………….Offers!

The way forward

•UCAS.com•Careers advice•Uni websites/prospectuses•Open Days•Specialist support

Finding out more

•Students need to check emails and Student Bulletin over the next couple of weeks about UoL Medicine Mentors!

Opportunity

So your son/daughter wants to be a……

Medic/Dentist/Pharmacist/Optometrist?

Sue Ashwin Vice Principal

Success at Sixth Form