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So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea?
Got Your Gear?Know What to Buy?
What Do You Really Need?
First, You Need a BackpackInternal
Compression strapsExternal
Tie on extra gear
Backpacks 101Pack Issues Internal External
Torso adjustment Yes Not typically
Cost 70-100’s 70-100’s
Brand* (or similar) Kelty-Coyote/Red Cloud
Kelty-Tioga
Biggest issue Lack of pockets Frame too big
Hip belt Needs to fit Typically too big
Recommendation Get fitted at REI* Throw away Dad’s old one from 70’s
Capacity Goal 4000-4500cu Don’t need bigger
Backpacks 101Get fitted at REI.Shop around (Campmor, Academy, Gander Mtn)
If external frame: purchase straps for sleeping bag/tent
Don’t use bungies (lost, need strength, only 1 use)Slice/melt and attach to frame to prevent loss.
Backpacks 101Brands?
Top rated are: Gregory Kelty Dana Designs Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005)
I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud
Backpacks 101Top rated are:
Gregory (Forrester or Shasta: Tough. Top sellers. Wt 5 lb 8oz $249.95)
Kelty (Red cloud/Coyote 4750.. Wt 5 lb 6 oz. $119.99) Dana Designs. Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005)
• Waterproof zippers. Wt. 6 lb 9oz. Padding, adjustments. $375.00
I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud
Backpacks 101Adult backpack recommendation
Kelty Shadow 4750 Weight 3 pounds 10 oz.
• 2 pounds less than most
$160 rangeScouts
Kelty Coyote Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $119 3700 and 4700 cu inches
Backpacks 101Adult backpack recommendation
Purchase name brand. Kelty sells smaller hip belts
Get a women’s as exchange
ScoutsKelty Coyote
Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $119 3700 and 4700 cu inches
Loading the Pack- Bottom to TopSleeping bags
Critical elementLeave summer camp bag at home
Weight Bulk Warmth
A bargain might not be a bargain- do your research and get what you need/want the first time.
What Do You Really Need?Rating of 15-20 degreesLess than 4 poundsMummy (hood) style2-way zipperFull length draft tube (zipper cover)Offset quilting (inside/outside)
Stuffing- go with hollowHollofil IIQuallofilThermolitePolarguard 3D is bestNOT down
Cold when wet. Expensive
Cost $35-50 for starters
What Does It All Look Like? Both rated to 20 degrees
Note offset quilting (although parallel)Mummy bag has stuff holder pouch for pillow underneath (cool feature in some Sierra Designs*)Note yellow zipper tube for warmth
Recommendations:Favorite Companies:
The North FaceSierra DesignsKeltyMarmot
54% prefer down46% prefer synthetics
Source: Backpacker magazine Feb 2005
Get the ONE you will use forever the first time….
How Do You Store It?Expanded. Unstuffed.Inside backpack.Bigger the better
Get a compression sack $15-25.00 Hard for young scouts-have to teach it (crush between knees and chest
How Do You Carry It?
What About a Sleeping Pad?Therm-a-rest is best. Self inflatingLight weightSave up and get what you really wantEasy to repair-duct tapeGift idea - patch kit $8.00
$35.00 and 15 oz
$30.00 and 24 oz
What About a Sleeping Pad?Full length for Alaska¾ Length good-stuff clothes under feetThinner is lighter ¾”Some models fold in ½ lengthwise and can be rolled to 4”x10”Get the chair!Store unrolled/inflated
Valve open
Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz.
Avoid mesh (punctures)
Fits 20” wide
$30.00 10 oz.
What About a Sleeping Pad?So what do you buy?
Therm-a-Rest¾ length Prolight series ($59)
Rolls 11 x 3.5 11oz
Stuff sack or pillow/roll coverChair (when older/experienced)
Get what you want first time
Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz.
Buy what you want the first time$59 too much? Willing to carry something a little bulkier? Tip:
Campmor has seconds. ¾ length pad, 1” about $25-$35Web deals only.
Tents- Weight Against Body2-man2-vestibuleSkip the footprint (use plastic)Stay under 6 lbsAluminum polesGet a vented rainfly3 season works well$110 on sale- $129 regularKelty Gunnison or REI half-dome (outsells all other tents REI sells 3:1)
Carry trash bag for wet tent
What Is the Goal of the Big Three?Pack, sleeping bag and tent portion Target goal
Less than 10 pounds COMBINED.
Control what you can when purchasing.Not always possible to reach this goal.
Clothing Goes in NextPack for the season-but remember the BSA motto—Be prepared!
Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer) Temp 20. Note bare feet.
Clothing Goes in Next-against BackPack for the season-but remember the BSA motto—Be prepared!
Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer)
Clothing From the Feet Up
SocksLiners
Polypropylene
Wool Avoid Wool blends with cotton Smartwool* best (particularly “Expedition”)
• Can be expensive
How many?3 liners and 2 Wool for a 2 week trip.
Underwear
Yes wear it.
Boxer type helps reduce chaffing. Avoid cotton but pricey.
$7-$50
Long UnderwearPolypropylene pants
For 20-40 degrees price $10
SilkFor 20-30oF -hard to care for- $22
Expedition weight-usually with a wool inner layer
(For 0-20 degrees)$30 (a great bargain in April)
I own these, to hot in them.
Hot chili’s
Pants
Zip offs greatBring two uppers?1 pair of lowers
Note cargo pocketsZip off over boots
Buy quality “soft” nylonTreat with Scotchguard*
T-shirtUnder armor typeShort sleeve/long sleeveWicking is keyBright colors
RED (hunting season)
Need 2 for a week long trek and a 3rd just to sleep in
Torso Layers
Lightweight polypropylene is perfect for any moderate activity in cold weather. 100 percent polypropylene with Transpor movement technology. Flatlock seam construction. Avg. Wt. 6 oz.Single layer$10.00 now ($7.00 in spring)
Torso Layers 2Expedition weight (0-20 degrees) polypropylene is best suited for low to moderate aerobic activities in very cold weather. 100 percent Innova polyolefin. Smooth outer surface with fleeced inner. Flatlock seam construction for comfort. Avg. Wt. 12oz. 2 layers. $30.00 now ($10 in spring)
Light Wind LayerNylon LS Shirt (Magellan type)
Avg. Wt. 9 oz. Can be pricey ($25-50)
Beware venting in back (not mosquito proof)
Good choice, reduces wind, gives sun protection, some mosquito resistance
Warm Outer Layer- VestPolartek 200 (hollow fiber)
6 oz. Not the 100 count fleece
Cost $14.99 (sale)
A sweater is the traditional layer, but heavier than vest.
Most people warm enough with out the vest layer.
Outer Layer for Warmth- FleeceGet a fleece with pockets.Pull over warmer than one with a full zipper
Polartek 200+. Wt 12 oz. $21.00
Don’t bring cotton hoddie
Windproof LayerSuggest a windbreaker/rain jacket to do double dutyGet one big enough for layering
Can be expensiveBest: Marmot Precip $80
Windproof LayerMed: Red ledge $50
Breathable fabricArm pit zipsPockets inside chest
Folds into side pocket- very compact
Get breathable pants
Windproof Layer- Buy the Pants TooMed: Red ledge $50
Breathable fabricArm pit zips-nicePockets inside chest
Note Pack coverGet one that fitsGreat gift itemCheaper-Trash bag works too
Get the pants that zip all the way on/off (avoid this)
Windproof LayerCompeting brands- Frog skins (note mottled coloring)
Cheaper than others, might not be a durable?
Windproof LayerLow: Vinyl
Can tearNot really durableHeavyNonbreathable
Cost: $10Get Frog Skins instead of vinyl-or spend a little more for Red Ledge.
Rainproof LayerLow: Poncho
Can tearNot really durableHeavyNonbreathableNot really wind top layerCost: $10
Does it work? Yes, note the length and trash bag pack cover. Cheapest, but not as many uses… personal choice.
Use it at home first.
How Cold Is This System Good To?About 20 degrees
Additional items- all would make good giftsGloves
Fleece or Poly. work- light weight but hard to find• Consider a “fishing glove”
Hat Knit/ Wool/ Poly Baklava (face/ neck/ hair cover)
Sun/ Rain Hat Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears Vented Not cotton
How Cold Is This System Good To?
Gloves Fleece or Poly. work-
• light weight but hard to find
Get ones with a waterproof cover.For some treks, cotton work gloves (spray treated)Simpler solution (wear socks on hands)
How Cold Is This System Good To?Warm Hat
Knit/ Wool/ PolyBaklava (face/ neck/ hair cover)
Open face more comfortable than just eye slit
How Cold Is This System Good To?Can do some double duty (little warm, sun and rain protection
Sun/ Rain Hat Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears Vented Not cotton
What Goes on Top of Pack?FoodPotsStoveFuel (wrap in plastic if liquid)Troop gear (rain tarp, rope)
What About Water?Nalgene bottles-*****
Don’t wrap with duct tape (Philmont x)Get 2- use 1 for powdered drinks
Platypus- tough, but small mouthCamelback- nice, but not a must haveUse a bottled water bottle-lighter and free (mark it for cups)
Carry against body
Water Recommendations
49% use bottles51% use bladders
Carry against body
You Need LightBuy what you really want the first timeConsider micro lights for weight/backup
$20 (2 AAA)$10 (2 AA)$5$8 (1 AAA)$3 (watch)
What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry
Great gift ideaA micro leatherman –
Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)
What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry
Great gift ideaA micro leatherman –
Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)
More Needed ItemsPump mosquito spray Personal first aid kit
More Needed ItemsBowl/Cup/Spoon Waterproof matches
No plateNo forkNo knife
More Needed Items 50-100’ of Parachute cord (woven better than poly- can unravel it and use for thread)
Nice Gift Items Backpacking towel (nice to have) ThermometerA Bandana works too
Other Items/gift ideas?Disposable cameraHandkerchiefTP with TrowelBiodegradable soapChap stickLotrimine Second skin
Hand cream?Sun screen
Bullfrog spray
Contact lens fluidCompass w/ Mirror
Carry items with multiple usesUse mirror with contacts
Any Other Ideas?Water Treatment tablets
Yes- Filters work but weigh 1 lb.+
Campmor catalog (read and use as a fire starter)
Still need a gift idea?Backpacker MagazineBook: A Walk in the WoodsBook: Into Thin AirBook: The Complete WalkerDVD: Into the Void
Where Can You Get All This?www.campmor.com 1-800-226-7667
(hiking & camping equip.) www.rei.com New store- near Willowbrook Mall
17717 Tomball Parkway (290) (just S of 1960)
(hiking & camping equip.)Gander Mountain (I-45 and 2920)
Offer a Scout discount (10%, bring your card/uniform shirt)
Now That You Have It—How Do You Pack It?
Heavy items against backPay special attention to where you are carrying water.Tricks for a pack that does not fit (yet)
Duct tape a towel around the hip beltContact company, trade for Women’s hip belt
The most important item: Boots Scout: Coleman seem to be boot of choice, around $40-AcademyAdult: Spend the money, go to REI and get fitted.
Vasque Sundowner-1 piece leather upper top seller since 1984
What Else Do We Need?There are many good lists available. Check your Scout Handbook for good ideas
How Much Is Too Much?25% of your weight. For a 100 pound Scout, the Most he can comfortably carry is 25 pounds1/3 is the Maximum he should have at anytime
What About Troop Backpacking Gear?Stove
Liquid fuelMSR Whisperlite
Canister MSR Pocket Rocket
• Only fits MSR tanks Superfly (fits all canisters)
• Both are top sellers
What About Trekking Poles?Nice on mountains, otherwise save the $100
More of an Adult item
Most Important- Have fun the first time so you will do it again!
Remember the key is funWe want you to go more than once
Don’t buy everything at onceBorrow items firstMake do a few times