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VEGETABLES 65 % (but order of sections unsure)

> The Vega-Tables demo, a date but done H1 '66 is clearly only a demo.no Vega-Tables for S ~ " l i L E !

INhy is it only a It sounds like there's several different vocal overdubs, at least two people that sound like Mike and Brian sharing the etc. Wh y isn't this tracking fo r the first twoverses? I don't see what's "clearly" demoish about this one, the which carries Overinto EVERY verSion of from the single to Smile.

weI, if you have the Smiley Smile two-fer you've tleard two f Y H n n ' Q ! l C I BW versions of H&V.

Uh hUh, and yes, for a time the "barnshine" section WAS the ending _ . Brian even re-cut this section in iate-Feburary, almost exactly identically,

Interestingly, the information on the vocals I've seen have descnbed it as a "cowboy song",

Which means it's yet another song follow in the "americana" mOld, an interjection.

> Don't forget the possibility the Old Master Painter vocals were not recorded/as ye t to be found, Possible they weren't intended to be but who knows?

And don't forget the possibility that th e first two sections might have r e ~ , e a t e daround with different vocals! It's possible!

well, we have Fire and the Water Chant, and I don't see any reason for Water to be anything more than chant at the point of "Smile", so lets' say 50%,?

And more.

WATER Da DA variation of) .. didn't Car! and Van seperately reference this track as part of'Water'?

No, neither of them ever did.

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Article: Ahhhh someone has approached my favorite common sense - how fimshed was SMilE when it was abandonned? Here's my personal take:

VEGETABlES 65''10 (but order of sections unsure)

Well, on ho w you look at It. Veggies was either complete or 1the SOT box has pretty much ali of the sections but it wasn'talbum". thanks to earn's (cent discovery that the 18 "wonderful" recorded in A was recordedaround/at the same time the sessions for Vega lends more definitvie credence to the idea this version ofthe song was intended for a It might have also been intended for bu t there are many whobelieve the album had been scrapped by then,

a recording date but probably done In '66 is ci

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wi lead vocals just hasn't been found, Interestingly, the only information on the vocals I've seen havedescribed it as a "cowboy song"

O L D MASTER PAINTERfl\,W ONLY SUNSHINE 100%?

I think this works ok as the Dennis version we all know, There may be more to it thet8g for instance if that IS from an acetate, not a fan/cobbled version.

Don't forget the possibility the Old Master Painter vocals were not recorded/as to be found, Possible they weren't intended to be but who knows?

SURFS UP 75%

Have to on this 'Yo from what we know existing at least Trle second section fo r the songdoesn't seem likely to have been recorded properly (string section was cancelled wasn't , and wehaven't got any vocal s for the 1st movement. Unless the solo version wa s meant for the album, thenthis song wa s less than completed,

>WONDERFUL 85 t}h

Try more lik.e 100% once, then 70% later with a "'vrlrnrn - that's it. These are my opinions I've stuck with analysing what we know to makereasonable extrapolation. For me the only areas which are still TOTALLY obscure are 'Heroes', 'TheElements' and 'Great

Do you mean Surfs Up. The Elements & Great My on.y question about Heroes and Villains is thesegments some cail "Part 2" intended for a 2 sided or not? I think yes, others think no - far as I cansee we have equally interesting & loaded arguments. Also take into considerat'on the back cover song list

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comes a from a and was not finalized, I think I saw Brad Elliot claim he has seen the correctionsmade on the proof (which were filtered out fo r the repro slicks made - where all our known back coverimages and made him question the track but I have no idea how Brad - you out there toconfirm this one? I don't want to throw your name n ext to incorrect facts!

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Hello a!!

Some thougrlts on various Smile tracks: in brackets after the titles I estimate % workactual sessions for each version WE HAVE HEARD - of course I could be vvildlyguesses are informed. I use Brian mixes versions/demos wherever think Linnett didhis best but was quite inacGurate on a few tracks, Sea of Tunes 17 clid throw up a few more clues I think,

for

With the various versions of the songs Jatar finished for albums ie plus tile SOT sessions pius newfinds like the proper order for 'Child' I think we can see a much more cohesive structure to the tracks thanthe GV box set/various horne-made mixes.

See what you all make of my comments.

VEGETABLES 65% order of sections unsure)

I've always though t this sounds too sparse. The SOT box reveals overdubs of the chimey organ partwhich sound as though it may have been meant to play most of the track. We hear this to ful!effect on the fade of the 'Smiley . .' version, the fast fade after acapella bi t This section has a warm,bouncey, feel chimey organ and comical voices) which the track as a Whole lacks. Aiso,

mixes reveal that this section was probably intended as part of the verses, not the fade. There isfunny 'laughing' which up and down the scale during the verses. I can't believe

were chucked out, again my mSln reason that the track is just too dry without

The faele seems to be the bicycle rider variation which was later changed and into Wonderful. Ithis section INould have had a lead vox overdub.

The acappella section sounds version from the start ofthe scappella 'I know that you'll better' part and

at the start of the song.the track works well

doesn't it?

was but aren't the more lyrical than structural?know

The main problem to mt,) with al! the horne-versions of this that I've heard are lack of - they all stopand start too much (see

HEROES AND VILLAINS wouldn 't to (1st of verses are obvious but after that it's reallyanybody's guess. I'm sure various acetate tryouts survive.)

abut I've to hear a complete version - Brian mixes included - which really cuts it as a

song. The common problem for me is tile too-jarring transitions between sections,Cabinessence and Surf's were composed in the same time frame feature modular compositions,but both are fantastic and just right structurally,

When playing versions of HV to non Smile fanatic music lovers the same comment emerges every time too bitty,

My feeling is that there are vocal we haven't heard which would flesh the thing out Themix the closest but seems so throwaway when to the especially

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the big " H U H : ; " ! organ,

Let's not forget th e 'musical slant I think a whole version with this approach would be a veryproposition.

The actual sound textures of the various sections are the most advanced Brian ever created, and wouldhave a fantasti c overall effect. Imagine the track out with . 'Barnshine' is also veryenergetic and dynamic. more the sort of thing a contain,

If some of the more ponderous parts were to be maybe would have been in athe dynamic, tuneful stuff in first then segue into the " ' \ J C ' n T . / V ' ~ " " ' "like Good

WIND CHIMES 75% (structure there bu t lead vox

None of the home-mixes I've heard follow the Brian version properly. We have an early complete takeendIng on the SOT. Granted these may have re-recorded seperately. but is there any reason tobelieve Brian threw the structure out? After the bass middle eight the song DOESN'T back to thechorus. goes to a different ascending part that Is rerniniscent of the chorus. then hearthe during take 8 $ well). Then we the which does seem to contain a repriseof the chorus. A million miles from tile LinneH mix and a belter of a track even in it's form.

DO YOU LIKE WORMS 80%) (missing lead

GV box-set version appears to be not that far of f .3 finished track. It does seem to lack lead fo rinstance the track would almost have contained the title In the lyric. The theme of the songseems to be the desecration of th e Indian by the white man - you can't glean this at all from the currenttakes. lyrical reference would be essential? We k.now that more lyrics were written,

CHILD IS FATHER TO THE MAN 65%

the Brian s e q u { ~ n c eis much better structured than tile Unnett mix, It seems obvious thatthe verses are lead vocsis. Apparent ly Van has said rle wrote lyrics fo r it - ! theseand other lyrics vvere recorded at some point even if it was just fo r demo purposes.

OLD MASTER PAINTER/MY ONLY SUNSHINE 100'}h ?

I think this works ok as the Dennis sung version we ali know, Thora may be more to it - the 'Barnshine'for instance if that IS from an not a fanicobbled version,

CABINESSENCE

very close to the finished '66 There may be a few overdubs on the chorus-see additional in ESQ but the track works just fine without ttlem.

UP 75%

Again a brilliant verSion as Brian's demo, The Surf's Up album version uses parts of the backing track but is a hybrid and has been tinkered

with lyrics written in '71 (still overtly brililant though@

WONDERFUL 85%

GV box set version All the song seems to lack is a I know th e 'Rock with me Henry' bits area contender for this, but they sound a bit crap don't Really ttle song is great as is but it just soundslike it ends too abruptly.Was remade but seems the original was preferred. The difference between the 2 versions Isn'tthat - not like take 1 of Good Vibrations compared with the final thing@

THE ELEMENTS

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If the order fire/earthfair/water was followed then I'd ; " U L ' U C ; " ' t the following

FIRE - Mrs O'learys Cow - ttlis we know (uniess It was remade)

EARTH ~ woodshop - see Carol if the elements were intended to go in this order it seems very hardto make a case for this track NOT to be Earth, unless it's 'part 2' of 'Cow" but how likely is that? It wouldbe a bit long.

it could be

WATER - Da DA (or variation - didn't Carl Van Dyke separately reference this track as part of 'Wafer'?

I'M IN GREAT SHAPE %?

a variation of 'Eat a lot', but really a total mystery to me.

but I I've stuck With what we know to makeareas which are still TOTALLY obscure are 'Heroes', 'The

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