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Send Hosts to Horology University!

I've resisted (until now I guess) posting comments about the departure of "what's his name",

and I've tried to stay positive about continuing to be a loyal buyer on the SHOP, and change

is good and all that, but geez I'm tired of only hearing about the beauty and style of the

watches. I can see that for myself...that's why I watch! How 'bout more on the mechanical &

construction details?

Thank goodness for Michael!!!! If it wasn't for him, I'd check out!

I like all the hosts at the Shop. Most of 'em are great at selling T.V.s or mattresses, but they

don't know shinola about watches.

It was the knowledge of horology (and shaved monkeys!) that snagged me about a year ago

(apparently like quite a few others) and caused me to become a watchgeek.

I'm bored!!

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05-08-2011, 04:57 AM

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I think your perceptions of host and vendor roles are a bit skewed. The SNBC host of the

shows are not there to provide you the " mechanical & construction details" of a watch. That

is what the vendor guest is there to do.

Look at it this way...when the SNBC host is doing a jewelry show for example. They are not

there to explain to you the differences in the cuts of diamonds and which ones are more

expensive to do than the other ones. When they are showing Indian hand made rugs, they

are not there to explain to you how many hand tied knots are considered to be an excellent

level for the build quality. When they are selling TVs, they are not there to explain to you the

difference between LED, LCD and DLP. All of these things relate to "mechanical and

construction" details of the respective products. The vendor guests are there to do that. That

is why in mid July of 2009, the current executive management of SNBC laid down rules

regarding how shows were to be hosted and why you almost always see a guest host on

every show. Hosts have very specific duties assigned to them and that is what they are there

to do. If you are looking for hosts to provide you "mechanical and construction" details of

watches, you should stop watching now. It isn't going to happen. Some do know more than

others when it comes to watches. When those folks are on, you get that information.

Otherwise, it is the responsibility of the vendor guest host to do that.

You, quite honestly, were spoiled by Jim. He was the only host at SNBC that was not

required to sell multiple products. In the distant past, Jim did occasionally sell men's jewelry.

I know that in the almost two years we worked together, he did not do so. He would be the

first one to tell you that he would be horrible at selling other things. I know this because it

came up a variety of different times in conversations with him. As a matter of fact, Jim was

pretty much an anomaly in the shop at home television business. Show me any other host

on any just QVC, HSN or the like that sold only one out of the hundreds and hundreds of

product that are sold there. It just does not happen. Jim sold one product and one product

only. Other hosts in a typical one day of work sell at least 24 different items. And most of

the time, those products come from completely different market segments (i.e. bedding,

clothing, jewelry, beauty, household furnishings, electronics, etc.). To expect them to have

the level of knowledge that Jim has on watches is just not going to happen.

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05-08-2011, 05:05 AM

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I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the subject

matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back to

style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up!

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05-08-2011, 05:12 AM

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And Michael really hits the nail on the head, in that the hosts are required to be "utility"

players and "attempt" to sharpen their knowledge or at least awareness on a variety of

product catergories. Jim was unique in that he was not required to sell anything other than

watches EXCEPT when he was VERY fired up about a product. For instance, I can recall two

shows he did, one was a "collectables show" featuring sports car collectables, and he did

Grios garage once that I can recall. However, Jim is a car enthusiast and was excited about

those products so that was not a big stretch for him. He did do some men's jewelry (very

limited) but that was as Mike said, over a couple years ago and it had to do with a ring that

he had made for him.

Anyway, Shop hosts do an excellent job. That is why they are called "hosts". They "host" the

program for the experts which are the "vendor/guests." Their job is to set the stage for the

"vendor/guest" to go at the details, much like Mike does for the Invicta shows. We should be

grateful they do as well as they do.

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05-08-2011, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alaskageek

I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the

subject matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back

to style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up!

I appreciate your kind words towards me, but I don't think I made your point at all. Case in

point, when I was on with Daniel Friday night, I (as the subject matter expert) made

numerous references to how well a particular watch went with what Daniel was wearing.

And, quite often, I reference how a particular watch can be dressed up or dressed down. Or

how well you (men) could wear the watch with other jewelry. I also reference on the ladies

pieces how well they can be accessorized with belts, handbags, shoes, etc. That is part of

what we talk about. That is part of what the audience wants to hear. Believe me when I tell

you, the vast majority of the watch viewing audience is not all that interested in the

technical and construction aspects of the watch. The vast majority of watch show viewers

are not concerned with whether a SAS has an ETA G10, an ETA 251.272 or a Ronda 5040D

in it. I am constantly walking a fine line in getting too technical. I want to educate viewers as

much as I can (for a variety of reasons and not all of them are altruistic), but the fact is that

most folks just don't care to the level that many here do.

I can tell you that as the person sitting to the other side of the SNBC host, I get in what I

feel I need and want to say about 99% of the time. I know that some may not like all of the

presentations, but those folks need to understand that the show needs to appeal to a MUCH

broader audience than just the "technical Watchgeeks" that hang out here.

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05-08-2011, 05:26 AM

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We are geeks, anomalies, freaks of nature, we salivate over every detail and if someone

misspeaks we freak out. Most people look and say>Watch is Pretty, I must buy it, How much

does it cost. For most people the Hosts and Vendor might of well be speaking Swahili when

giving all the technical aspects, but they need to be laid out there and Michael, Wing, Larry,

Justin, David, Stan,Avi, give us the red meat we watch carnivores need. Most people just

want the Dessert.

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05-08-2011, 05:27 AM

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I agree with you Michael. I own over 200 watches (most from the SHOP), and really dont

care what the movement, etc. is. Sorry to all you technicrats out there I want to see the

size, colors, and the "look" of the watch....and price, of course. I enjoyed Jim's personality,

but what can we do? Stop buying watches altogether??? I think not. I enjoy what you,

Michael. bring to Invicta and Shopnbc.

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05-08-2011, 06:09 AM

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i must admit i too was spoiled by shows like watchtime with jim...its how i learned 90% of

what i know about watches I do understand the average watch wearer. an micheal's coments

as when i am in convo with them I too talk over their head. not everbody wants terms and

specs. some just want pretty and sparkle.... In short Thanks for picking up that slack Micheal

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05-08-2011, 06:28 AM

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Let's not forget Tim and Shawn. They are pretty sharp with regard to watches.

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05-08-2011, 06:42 AM

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As long as the shop throws out some sweet deals on some sweet watches from time to time

with a few critical details, I'm good to go. (Said with a smile as I drool over the 50%+ off

Sniper on my wrist,...LOL)

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05-08-2011, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alaskageek

I think you just made my point Michael. My frustration is that everytime you (as the

subject matter expert) seem to want to explain the technical details, the host takes it back

to style...just my humble opinion. And again, I really appreciate your expertise! Keep it up!

They are in the business to sell, not to "educate". Mike is great to have as a resource and

balances out the hosts he presents with, however, this may not be true for all vendors.

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05-08-2011, 10:23 AM

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Great comments Mr. Davis and others regarding that the SNBC Hosts are there to "set the

stage" for the expert vendors to inform about their products and not to "educate".

Nonetheless, I appreciate all that I do learn from Tim, Shawn, and the other hosts.

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05-08-2011, 10:40 AM

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Actually I have always liked how each host brings their own take on a particular watch, as

Jim did! You do a great job Michael in filling in the technical aspects of the watch and letting

us know which of the color combos is the best all around choice and why, as you see/handle

it up close! Also, you are always ready to stress the important features of the piece or that it

is a "grail" and why. I see no problems with the Shops presentations, and moving forward, I

am sure they will only get better! Thanks for your input and humor!

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05-08-2011, 12:08 PM

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I think that Tim Temple is very klnowledgeable. I also think that Skip and Shawn do a good

job. No matter any of their knowledge, they will never SELL watches like Jim. Only because

he was a true collector with a strong passion for his chosen hobby (addiction)! Michael is

extremely knowledgeable and has a very strong passion for watch collecting and will be an

indispensible asset to Invicta and ShopNBC now that Jim is no longer there.

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05-08-2011, 12:55 PM

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I think that any watch show host and product expert (from vendor ) are in a unique position

that is retooled through time. It would seem to me that perhaps they wanted to widen the

appeal of the watch shows to the average consumer as this is a business and the "watch

time " shows that we all loved might have been too closely directed to people like us.

I get the feeling that Michael is a very "straight shooter" and the information he share's with

us is true insight to the inner workings of the "television shopping " business.

I think the shows are a bit different but that's the way it goes...

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05-08-2011, 12:57 PM

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I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship 101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the

product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00

watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details.

........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper

pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

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05-08-2011, 01:06 PM

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Just missing Jim Michael, just missing Jim.

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05-08-2011, 01:11 PM

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There's nothing wrong with the new hosts in my opinion. If I want to know more about the

watch I'll just look at the specs on shops website.

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05-08-2011, 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy10

I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship

101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the

product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00

watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details.

........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper

pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

I agree 100% I do understand that Shops hosts are there to sell, but they should at least

have basic knowledge of the timepiece they are selling..I have been in sales for a very long

time and understand the importance of having knowledge of your product, no matter what

that may be..Just a thought

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Here, here!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggy10

I don't care what you sell you SHOULD know what you are selling that is salesmanship

101.

They don't need Jims level of expertise but they sure as heck need to know about the

product. .....lots of nights there are no vendors present and it becomes " Oh this 1400.00

watch looks great with a business suit."

People that buy expensive pieces only do so because of the details.

........... a watches value is in the details.

Sure average joe or sally doesn't care on a 59.00 piece they just like orange ...on cheaper

pieces keep it simple. Expensive pieces know what you are talking about.

I don't own any business suits.

You hit the nail right on the head SOwen. Although Tim Temple seems to carry the torch

these days when he is on. Living in Tennessee and working in Minnesota has it's downfalls.

I'd definitely like to see more of him.

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05-08-2011, 03:32 PM

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You can't trust info on the website to be accurate, not just movements but even size of cases

or auto vs. quartz, strap/bracelet size. You can look up two watches that are the same

except color and have two very different sets of specs. I know it's hard to get everyone right

every time but it has caused me to pass on something I wanted because I just wasn't sure

about the details. Sorry, this may not be part of original post but just an observation.

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05-08-2011, 03:43 PM

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I liked Jim fine, but I buy watches on my criteria alone.

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05-08-2011, 03:51 PM

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Unfortunately, some of the vendor reps need to bone up on their own products as well.

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05-08-2011, 03:57 PM

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I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim

when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim

had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth.

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personality

Tim certainly does have alot of knowledge. Jim was sort of like the color commentator. He

was the most colorful personality on the shop IMHO. Quote:

Originally Posted by 1956 chevrolet

I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim

when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim

had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth.

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This may have already been stated, but you can get the technical specs from the website. I

rely more on the website than the hosts anyway.

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05-08-2011, 04:40 PM

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I bought my first watch years ago from Tim and Eyal. I think Tim is just as sharp as Jim

when it comes to the technical aspect of watches. I think the difference is personality. Jim

had more of a rock star style to him. Just my .02 cents worth.

Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at

Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is the

bravado which some people are drawn to.

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05-08-2011, 04:48 PM

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Jim set the bar really high. He is an exceptional sales/educator Comedian / with an unusual

flair to exude the interest and creativity from his viewers and friends. This is an unusual

collection of assets for a salesman to have. I feel privileged he was in my life as long as he

was and I don't measure anyone to his stature.

The hosts are there to sell and each puts on their own spin. Some are funny while others

more serious and to the point. They all have some knowledge in all areas of what they are

selling. Some put more emphasis into selling the product; whatever it takes; while others

explain and educate about the product be it a watch; bedding or anything else. I've heard

other show hosts in addition to selling; talk about the watch; it's background, movement and

complications; etc. even demonstrating and adding humor.

I had an English teacher I adored. Why? She made the subject interesting. She was

animated and moved around while teaching. I learned more from her class then from other

teachers. That said, the other teachers had their way of teaching and I learned from them as

well but it wasn't as exciting or fun.

I think Daniel, Tim, Skip, Shawn, Dave King and others do a great job and with the aide of

company representatives it's a job well done.

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05-08-2011, 05:30 PM

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Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at

Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is

the bravado which some people are drawn to.

I really liked Jim--for what he was/is. However, I couldn't agree with you more about Tim.

They all had/have good things to add--and they all make mistakes.

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05-08-2011, 05:45 PM

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You're Right!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyback

Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at

Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is

the bravado which some people are drawn to.

You're right, Brad.........not everyone here at WG's likes the "carnival barker" style of selling.........the current hosts here do a fine job; I'll call my ex-wife if I want to be yelled at!

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05-08-2011, 06:05 PM

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As Mike explained I don't think it is the job of the host to educate you. The important info is

there in print. All you really need to know is the movement and then the next best thing is

there on TV for you, what the actual watch looks like in person. For most buyers it is the look

of the watch, I don;t think there are many not purchasing the watches due to the fact that

they don't like the movements.

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05-08-2011, 06:19 PM

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I can say this... I watched the shop because it was fun!! The tech stuff was good and the

watches where great. But I had fun to see what was going to come out of Jim's mouth next.

Not so much fun anymore but I'm liking the watches and that will not stop.

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Let's not forget Tim and Shawn. They are pretty sharp with regard to watches.

Yes they are. Not all hosts are as Mark has stated. The ones that are cause me to

turn off the show. I'm not looking for the deep technical subjects just more than we

hear sometimes. Gigling and talking about things "off topic" are not what I tune in for.

Sorry!

I aggree with both Mark and Michael. That is not surprising though, I have made this

point in a post a week or 2 ago. I am happy to see we can talk about this without

getting angry. Now for something completely different. Happy Mothers Day to

all you Mothers out there.

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I disagree. When sales brings to life the product; showing it or how it's used and explaining

the components, materials used with some interest and history sells the product better.

Many of the viewers are more then interested; they are well read, curious and many can

challenge the seller or product.

I do much better as the consumer having all the information presented to make and

intelligent and educated decision. I like to know all about it; see all of it; know how it looks

in different settings or on different wrists or with clothes; on different shape models etc. As

far as being dynamic or comical; that's an added extra but I appreciate all the information

and life the show hosts bring and for watches, Tim, Shawn, Daniel, Dave, Skip and all

those that collect and are passionate themselves; sells the watch or the product.

They exude the power and the essence.

We should all be able to do what we're good at in a perfect world.

While the added is an extra is a plus it definitely isn't necessary for a consumer to make up

his or her mind. JMO

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05-08-2011, 07:57 PM

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I am not so concerned about the technicalities of a watch - particularly when it comes to a

quartz movement. Shaved monkeys, however, are another story...

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05-08-2011, 08:01 PM

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AMEN!!!

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Originally Posted by Flyback

Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at

Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is

the bravado which some people are drawn to.

I agree with you 100%

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05-08-2011, 08:35 PM

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Michael you nailed it as far as I am concerned. I like watches, I might buy a watch because

of the dial color or how mechanical or busy the dial is, or how it will fit in with the clothes I

wear. I have an Invicta SAS GMT and I have no idea what movement is in the watch. The

same with many of my watches, because I don't buy based on the movement. Thats not to

say that I am not fascinated by all of the different watch movements, and that is why I love

WatchGeeks. There are people on this forum whose knowledge of watch movements, history

and other insites of horology blows me away. When I watch one of the shows on the shop

and I see one I like, price, value pays and yes, how will it work to dress it up or down is

what I like to see. Thats not to say I don't enjoy information provided by you or Wing or any

of the other brand reps, but I prefer going to this forum to get educated. All I need to know

is does it take a battery or does it need to be wound all the other watch info is not necessary

for me to make a decision on buy or no buy.

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05-08-2011, 08:47 PM

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I don't expect them to be knowledgable in watches as yourself or why would they need you.

They need u to do that and being an employee of Invicta u know most of the time the ins

and outs of whats going on at Invicta. You may know of new watches in the works comming

out in 6 months,when watches will be comming back, u basically have Eyal's ear to relay

back to us, to let us know whats going on in the future and present.

The only thing I do dislike with a couple hosts is when for no reason they will interrupt u

when u will be talking about a watch Movement for instance and will stop u for something

that was talked about an hour earlier,and not from the producer (because u can tell most of

time when they are told to stop u to say something like how many are left etc.) and you

never get a chance or forget youself what u were saying earlier, and it was important to me

and many others I believe. Only a couple of them do it and I do what u said I go to another

channel and come back during commercials of that show, and then back to it when

commercial is over. I look on the Interenet to see what the hosts and watches will be shown

and make my decision on what to watch.

Don't get me wrong these are nice people personally I'm sure,it may be they don't even

know they are doing it. You may not even notice it but I sure do with a couple of hosts not

all, the majority of them are just fine cause they let u talk untill your done or the producer

makes them interupt u. Sometimes I'm waiting for u to say something to them but I guess u

have to much class and want to keep you job too. It's like yourself you are now a real pro on

the tube, and love it when u and Shawn get together it's great, and thier's a guy who wanted

to do other things besides watches,a very knowledgable man thier.

But on the whole I think they do a great job along with yourself.

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05-08-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sherm

You have a right to your opinion but the best salespeople go the extra mile and tell all

there is or more then just hold up a product and say what it will go with and how much it

costs and how many are left. The shopping channels do very well because they do more

then that. It's very helpful knowing as much as you can or there is to tell before buying

something.

I will continue to feel as I do. There will be allot less returns going into each product

knowing as much as you can about it.

I rest my case.

While no one is trying to sway you from your opinion the hosts of Shop NBC can't tell you

any of the important info that watch collectors really need to know with the exception of Tim

Temple. It is a major plus for us to have hosts like Tim Temple, JS, and even Shawn do what

they do best but all host can't possibly be 100% knowledgeable about everything. No matter

what host it is they will keep you abreast of quantities sold and whats left. The hosts do a

very good job in doing what they are suppose to do. Mike and the other guests are their to

do the rest.

I'm sure that most buyers don't need to be told what a watch will go with. As for figuring out

the price I have a feeling everyone would find that out if the host remained silent throughout

the entire show.

While JS was knowledgeable enough to give added info on the watch that was quite nice.

Since he is no longer there consumers will still get the info that the hosts are suppose to give

which is everything you have mentioned. In the mean time any of us watching the show can

still figure out if they want the watch or not without being told what it will go with. Again, the

added attraction is having the guest host there to give more technical info about the

watches. Also while you can continue to feel the way you do I still feel that most watch

buyers can buy a watch by viewing it live, rather then going with the generic pictures,

knowing the movement and even checking out the description at Shop.

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05-08-2011, 10:41 PM

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The show must go on......but I really miss the old products!

Jim Skelton may never be replaced as the star of the watch show but Tim Temple more than

fills my need for an extremely knowledgeable and likable host. My issue with the Shop these

days revolves around the products that are no longer sold there. Philip and Chase Duerer

come to mind. Two more that I dearly loved, Zeno watch and Epos are long gone. Frankly, I

used to think the Shop was a watch purveyor that truly cared about educating its customers

as well as entertaining them while selling watches. There are still some hosts who have

already been mentioned that are of that old school, but many of the products they offered us

in the past are not available for them to sell.

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05-08-2011, 11:10 PM

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I use to buy watches beacause of how they looked,,,and because of jim i buy watches on

how they work and what makes them work,,i agree with some that the host should know a

little about what they sale,,but when i go to buy a new car 'I' do the leg work on it ,,,same

as for a watch,,,jim spoiled us and is truly missed,,but thanx to jim and others i can watch a

show and know when i hear what movement it is,i know to pick up the phone or let it sit on

the hook,,

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"Watch is Pretty, I must buy it, How much does it cost?"

That's pretty much me!!

I don't really care for anyone to wax too technical, or philosophical,

about a watch. I just want to see what it looks like, and I'll get the

details from the web site.

On the other hand, I think many of us are having JS withdrawal. We

miss the over-the-top humor and constant upbeat playfulness, coupled with the moment.

Well, it ain't happenin', and we might as well get over it.

Tomorrow is another day, and the watches are still SCREAMING out

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I had a passing interest in watches and then while channel flipping, I came across Tim -

about 6 yrs ago. Tim peaked my interest and from there, I bought watch mags and books

and looked at the net to learn more, That is the point, shop served as the initial interest for

me and from there I went further. But I did learn a lot from shop, ie Jim. Tim. Mike Larry,

wing, etc - such as movements, how to reset the chronograph, how to measure a watch,

complications,the history of watch companies, etc.

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Most of what I am seeing from the geeks pretty much agrees with what I have said. All most

of us need is to see it, know the movement then buy it!

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shop host

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherm

Jim set the bar really high. He is an exceptional sales/educator Comedian / with an unusual

flair to exude the interest and creativity from his viewers and friends. This is an unusual

collection of assets for a salesman to have. I feel privileged he was in my life as long as he

was and I don't measure anyone to his stature.

The hosts are there to sell and each puts on their own spin. Some are funny while others

more serious and to the point. They all have some knowledge in all areas of what they are

selling. Some put more emphasis into selling the product; whatever it takes; while others

explain and educate about the product be it a watch; bedding or anything else. I've heard

other show hosts in addition to selling; talk about the watch; it's background, movement

and complications; etc. even demonstrating and adding humor.

I had an English teacher I adored. Why? She made the subject interesting. She was

animated and moved around while teaching. I learned more from her class then from other

teachers. That said, the other teachers had their way of teaching and I learned from them

as well but it wasn't as exciting or fun.

I think Daniel, Tim, Skip, Shawn, Dave King and others do a great job and with the aide of

company representatives it's a job well done.

I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all the

specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that,

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR BUISNESS

WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO CRITISIZE SOMEONE

ELSE DOING THEIR JOB,

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Empire

I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all

the specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that,

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR

BUISNESS WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO

CRITISIZE SOMEONE ELSE DOING THEIR JOB,

Unless I'm mistaken I didn't notice any hosts being criticized. I believe the purpose of the entire thread was to ask opinions on whether we thought the

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Yesterday, 07:40 AM

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I realize and respect hosts are sales people. What is frustrating in their presentation,they

talk about how exceptional their kids are,that has nothing to do with the presenting the

product no matter what product they are selling. the verbage is the same.

Most hosts do a decent job.

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Yesterday, 08:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyback

Tim was selling and educating people about watches when Jim was still a manager at

Blockbuster Video so I'd say his depth of knowledge is certainly greater, what he lacks is

the bravado which some people are drawn to.

If you watch Tim his face and tone will tell you everything you need to know about a watch

he is selling I have been buying watches for close to 10 yrs off shop and others he gets

really excited about great watch deals i could be in the other room and hear him getting

excited about that I going to look bought some great watches that way from Tim. Jim is the

same way I can think of the invicta minute repeater I was watching they said the price and i

was online and got 1.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meijin

I. Believe me when I tell you, the vast majority of the watch viewing audience is not all

that interested in the technical and construction aspects of the watch. The vast majority of

watch show viewers are not concerned with whether a SAS has an ETA G10, an ETA

251.272 or a Ronda 5040D in it. I am constantly walking a fine line in getting too technical.

I want to educate viewers as much as I can (for a variety of reasons and not all of them

are altruistic), but the fact is that most folks just don't care to the level that many here do.

I can tell you that as the person sitting to the other side of the SNBC host, I get in what I

feel I need and want to say about 99% of the time. I know that some may not like all of

the presentations, but those folks need to understand that the show needs to appeal to a

MUCH broader audience than just the "technical Watchgeeks" that hang out here.

First let me say that I enjoy all of the hosts on shop. They do a fine job presenting their

assigned products. Of course I miss Jim. He was everybody's Buddy, and his presentations

were presented in such a way that you felt he was talking to you only. A real sales talent

most likely derived from his passion for what he was selling.

I do believe that Tim is equally knowledgable, maybe more so, as he is tuned into the

industry even more so than anyone else on shop, hosts or vendors.

He got me started on this madness way back before Jim.

I quoted part of Michael's post above which deals with the audience's interests in technical

matters. I am not trying to be disrespectful when I say that you should never underestimate

your customers. I was in retail and all the different aspects of a product come into play when

you are selling. A technical aspect can be the reason a customer will buy one item over an

identical looking other item. It could be the reason for prefering a Diver from Invicta over a

similer looking one from Croton. All I am saying is that selling is not easy and the more

knowledge you have of a product the easier you can make that sale!

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I REALLY miss Jim!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by livefortoday

You're right, Brad.........not everyone here at WG's likes the "carnival barker" style of selling.........the current hosts here do a fine job; I'll call my ex-wife if I want to be yelled at!

Yep.....very well said. I often tuned out for that very reason. I've always enjoyed Tim and his

presentations....

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Yesterday, 10:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Empire

I agree with Sherm 100% I also Liked Mike and Jim presenting watches,They gave us all

the specs and a bit of comedy,and I do miss that,

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE OTHER HOST DO A GREAT JOB AND ITS NONE OF OUR

BUISNESS WHO THE SHOP HAS PRESENTING THEIR WATCHES,WHO ARE WE TO

CRITISIZE SOMEONE ELSE DOING THEIR JOB,

He just had one I snagged. (Larry from SO) I watched the video and Jim was on with Larry. I

almost teared up. It was such a delight to hear what he says and he just had a way that

can't be compared to anyone else I know.

Jim pointed out things in a way that got my attention. I like the other hosts and feel they

have their own sense of perspective sharing ideas and information with demonstrations and

background that sets it up to sell. I like this and got used to it. For me, the way of dynamic

sales including "the all about it" is what sells it for me and keeps me fueled. We all have our

opinions; needs; likes and dislikes. These are mine.

I stepped out of my comfort zone and got the ladies chronograph. Jim said it wears like a

40mm watch so fingers crossed. It's a cushion case.

I like that it's a serious movement; one they use in the guy's watches; that it has a high

water resistance, that it's a chronograph and a day date, that the MOP looks gorgeous, that

it's displayed using a juggling design on the complications and it feels so summer.

There is nothing wrong with expecting or looking for the sales representatives to go in detail

with what it is they are selling. Do you buy sheets without knowing the content? If a person

buys without knowing about the product that is their choice; I want to know as much about

everything before I make the decision to pull the trigger.

thank u Evil Empire ~ we feel the way we do and I say there is nothing wrong with it.

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I do not know if it is directly related to Jim leaving Shop, but I have not tuned in to a watch

show on Shop in so long that I can't remember when the last time was. The few times I

have, I was board stiff with the products that were being sold (same old watches being

shown over and over and over). Before Jim left I would set my I-Phone to remind me of

when a show is coming on, now I rarely think about it. I do not know what happened,

because a year ago, if someone told me that I would stop tuning in to Shop's watch shows, I

would have told them I was crazy. This is nothing against Tim, Shawn or Daniel, they do a

fine job, but for what ever reason, I have lost interest.

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Yesterday, 07:24 PM

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