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Gars SKOLE August 1 0 194.5.

NAME: OVENSIFEN)HOtto:

BORN( 8) 1909 in Duisburg.;

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Oberst der Polizei)-SS-Ctandartenfuehrer,

Nazi, Member No. 35782.:•

.4ormer Lutheran dissenter.:

Gutiaar bpi Kassel (Gutshof).

RATHER: DOVENt DI t Richard Otto ) born April 29 ) 1872)at Kupferdreh deceased 1926. Wholesale—dealer in aforwarding-Ca National ) leaning towards "Volpartei".

.-MOTHER: DOVENSIEPEN) Elisabeth ) nee Drenger. Dorn Lugust 151.1777-a Solingewald ) deceased1939. •

BROTHER: .:.. DOVENSIE2E; Guenther ) born January 27 ) 1914 ) in Duis—. burg.. Kriminalkamnissar in the "Geheime Staatapolizwi".

, Member. of SS ) Obersturmfuehrer or HaUptsturauehrer.

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Nazi. Address: FuldaStrasse-9 ) Duisburg.

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• DOVENSMPEN) EIsebetb ) .bon Lpril 19 ) 1903 ) in Duis-burg, Address: FuldastrasseT9 1 Duisburg. Nazi,

DOVENSIZPEN, Lnnellese ) nee :18.1.1-11, born JanuarY:15,19141 in Magdeburg.: Married before a.registra in HalleSeptember13 ) 1938. 'Nazi. Living at Gutiaar.

CHILDREN:* I0VINME_SE4 Dietmar 0 born November 2 ) 1938 in Halle.

DoVENSIEPED4 Rudiger ...bOtn August 15 ) 1940in

(BOVERSIREEN ) Reinhard ) deceased when 2 years old4)

DOCUMENTS: • As-Attest report.Letterfrom Majoribminivay.

'A:4 , List of personnel in the SD ) Copenhagen.IC List of pereonneL . in the SD and GRKKO, in•Dersark

exclusive of OoPenhagen.ANTECEDENCE; Dovensiepen-was broUght up at bime witkhisEDUCATION: parents) attended elementary school and secondary

, school in Duisburg ) and has studied at Donn) B-fresequented'High School for 7 terms ) and continued hisntudies at hame4 He passed his examination in 1929(Referendar) at the Oberlandeagerioht in Duisburg.

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Ea has received his practical education at the Oberlandesgericht,'Landasgericht, with the Reohtcanwaelte Sohievekamp 4 Rauchhols, inthe towns of Duesceldorf, Wesel,':and Duisburg. Pox' 6 months hewas employed with Schievekamp.4:Pauchhdlz, and during the same periodhe was employed nometimes with the public, : prosecutor in Duisburg.In JP-14F1933 he was called td the bar at the Eihistry of Justicein Berlin. Than he wee employed in the Lmtsgerichtin DUisburgas unpaid assesobr, He stayed here for 1 month whereupon he went!mver to the Stadtverwaltung in Duisburg as law adviser. At he -sathe time he had some work "bei der Regierung" in DuesseldortCwhiehkecamthended him as an assessor to the Staatspolizeio

comEcTiaalaTEITHE PLETYs No. 2. With regard to his connection with the Party Dovensiepen,

states as follows in his awn wordsiMen I went to school I was very nationai-minded. We had a teacher,Henjes, professor of history, who was an "aldeutscher" and leanedtowards the "Volkspartei", which was the case with some of, the boys:in the school, too. Later on we had a very olcilful demodratio pro-fessor of history„, by name of Doss, and I acted as his opponent in Iv, •

form, and hereby I had my political viewpoints made clear. I wasaltiys very interested in the historY of my country in relation toother countries, and my !political endeavours were to the effeot of

. : making Germany great again and conquering Versailles, and for this ..purpose I was bent Upon Using all'mean

, Then people learnt about a Movement in Munich. I watched„the events closely and knew without having any connection with theNazists4 by instinct of the November-coup &Etat in 1923. It failedand the disappointment was great, but on the other, hand it had theeffect that the followers of the Hitler-Movement, who now for the firsttime were known in the whole of Germany, gathered and triad to getinto 'contact with one another. Then came the precess before thecourt of Munich against Hitlerolhioh turned out to be of great im-portance to the propagande for the movement; To meHitler/a:endingspeech in the process was paitieularly significant, for althoUghhe might reckon with a-sentence of say, imprisenment he neverthelessdeclared that at a time the National-Socialistic riii* would became the

• national flag of the Reich. I believed in these prophetical wordsand 1n1-liners's qualities as a leader, especially when it appearedthat all the other leaders within the Party were unable to keep theParty together during the time when Hitler served his term of Im -prisonment, The Party had' 'already been prohibited in the mean-time, but we arganized in national-socialistic and popular Partieswithout using the name of National SoZialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei. In this way I supported the PUpular-Social block inRhine Country at that time, and the first time I took active part inpolitios was at the election for the Reichstag in 1924, when Si

distributed leaflets and canvassed to obtain totea.In SepteMber i924 I heard for the firist time about a

union, It was the NSW which evidently had been allowed to existagain, and in thick . I took partvand I premised to support the'Patty. Now I belenged to' the Party without interruptions, eneoptonce when I was expelled,because I had not and coed not pay mysubscription. In j9311 :entered the Party again, and from thistime my membership was considered unbroken from the first time Ientered the Party, as if It had never been broken. Until . 1933' 1held no commitments

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or functions,, or was in any other way adtiVOH-;within tbp kVty. /itrturber #:..tbe Party waa 35782. -

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In 1933,in the month of May eS far'as Iremembers Ientered the S.A. When the'LS‘Voikswohlfehrt-was formated I entered

• its and: in the middle of - the . year I. entered the NationaleSödialistioAssociation of Lawyers. As far as.My-time allowed it I took Partin • the Voluntary servicp . which , consisted in the earlier education'and drill; Within the SA t served as e Sturmmann ) which rank I_obtained in 19E6".•

LT.Lor WITHTHE GESTAPO; No, 3.. When it July1933 he was called to the bar and Wan an

assessor 'rhea_ der Regierung" in Duesdeldorf, see NO. 1, he was "called•up for service on trial with the Gestapo in Duesseldorf, probablybecause of his membership of the Party, see goo 2. HIS official'title At that . point.of time wasrAssespor bei der Gestapo. .• . •Inthe • Ceptapo he was engaged, in legal questione in con.. .nectiOn.with the Church ., the Press, Culture, and Trades, He states •that "he really Came to DUesseldorf because the leaLr at that timeigaz -nct able to manage.the Organization of the Gestapo, which hadnot '51-et been constricted in themay.we know it now, He says .thatwhile he was there the organization in Duesseldorf did.not reach its•present level either. At the same time he was an adviser for thepresident of the Government, f,inst. in queetionns to the seizureof newspapers which, at that tale, had not yet been submitted to. theGestapo. In a few words he describes his position in Duesseldorfthus!' 'He was the, central point within'the .various . branohes of theadministration of Police and Government administration ) all of Itbecause of his education as . a lawyer and of his long membership Of theParty. When asked about it he states that he could not be considereda dictator, because he had no:executiVe.power, but wap an Adviser)

. only, for the 'executive Power Which at that time was the KRIPO.

THZSYKR TO NO. 4.• This position he held till July 1934 when he became headithDEDURGt Of the Gestapo in Magdeburg as successor of Regierungsrat MORTxm,

He states that he knows by chance the reason Why he vans-transferred to' R4gdeburg, The reason was that Stahlhelm, the leader of theGestapo Up to that time, was to take up an attitude at that time toa conflict between Stahihelm for one part and Hitlerjugend ofanother part, which he was Unable to do for &Utica . reasons ., Thedetainee states that his predecessor practically did not know whatto do,. Frost a pelitioal point . of view the conflict itself was ratherhamless, but it had the effect that the detainee was called toScrlinvwhere Drrigadenfuehrer HIHDEICH'(murdered it Pragee) siMply

' told him to settle the matters in Magdeburg, The detainee Mates- that,the oinestion was formally solved thereby that two members of theHitierjugend were sentenced to a penalty Of imprisonment. Now thedetainee on his own accord states that another reason why he wastransferred to Magdeburg may be the fact that June 30,1934) mee imminent,and for that reason it Was desired to have a man on wham they could

rely, ip,Nagdebutg. However, he states that he himself was netfully aware Of these events. Any leader Of the Gestapo at thattime had free hands to orgabize his daMain of Work as he liked, ifonly it gave resulte. He further states that in Magdeburg he_started organizing according to his. own will ) i.e. he began separ

-ating the pure administration from the executive authority, a formfor organization which he had constantly livqd up to in his laterpositions.The interrogation concluded, 'August ii1945, at 1 .2P0 hrs.

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h)' the reaeon of transfer he states that he bad' been intoxioated.during his service, and therefOre he wanted to be transferred: He•succeeded Regierungsassessor.DLUMEilirEC came to Berlin to theRaichssicherheits Hauptamt, • ,His work at Dortmund consisted in nothing but Organisingrand heendeavoured to 'complete a sharp . Separation between Personnelmattersand service matters, which had hitherto been mixed-up. Otherwisehe had no unusual 'work in Dortmund, which he left late in October

November 1935, when he was transferred to Bielefeld, -

TRANSFER TO NO: (6. In his opinion there were ,2 reasons for his transfer toDIELEFELD: Bielefeld. . Firstly His transfer Dortmund was actually a

punishment bransfer, and therefore it naturally could be or ashort period only, .Secondly: It had appeared that Dr, nackuu.s,the head in Bielefeld up to that time, could not master the local sit.uation, which had arisen in consequence of a sharp antagonismbetween the Party and Sicherheitsdienst„ which the detainee was to.

• settle, He states that he was completely successful in this task.• The Party had demanded that the personnel of the Sicherheitsdienst

'ahould be punished, and the detainee dealt with the case according tothese lines, and states that same of the men of the Sicherheitspolizeiwere sentenced to rather severe punishments, He was in•Lielefeldto the autumn of 1935 only, and he used this time for a re.drganisetation of the Gestapo in accordance with the lines stated above.

TRANSFERT. , No. 7. , Owing to political dinagreements of opinion between theKOESLIN: -'detatnee and Rckerungspraesident :Freiherr v. ZTHAUSEN (the latter

..W.a.s.nn: intimate friend of the FuehreilTand of Himmler l s) he was

. 'transferred at tha end of,1936 to,Koeslin as the leader of the- . 1oCal Gestapo, and here he was till October 1937.

Also at this place his work 'comprised nothing bUt organ-izatiOn work)

, 1PROMOTION AND Noi 8. IbileHat Koeslin he was prothoted to the rank of Ragierungarat,1,LiCATA10E IN and he became a member of the SS as a Hauptscharfuehrer, and shortly1ST SS: 'afterwards he was promoted Untersturmfuehrer lie states in this

, connectiOn that the fact that he was promoted Regierungsrat involvedall_hiS promotions in the SS, because Heydrich t. always demanded thata certain position in the Gestapo was to correspond to a certainrank in the S.9.;

. ,TROSFER TO No, 9. He states in this connection that if was Heykrich!sHATig. principle not to keep a Gestapo leader fora long period at a.time

in the same place, which principle probably was the reason whyat thesaid time-he was 'transferred to Halle.

MILITARYREILffIONS:

No, -to. During his stay in Koeslin he for the first time •.volunteered for military service and he served for, ate 2 months asan anti air craft soldier in Stattin'and Iranzlaii, from where he wasdatobilized and was' designated as a "good, Private .sadier". InMarch 1938 he again volunteered as an anti air craft:soldier, this timefor'aboutZ days inHalle, ' "

The third tine he was a soldier Wes , dtrieg tale firdt halfof 1939, and also this time he -yolunteered.es an ail% air draft soldier, .and served for 2-3 Months in Halle, ad far as he reteabersi, -Thistime he was appointed a Gefreiter. •

The 4th end 1St tine was 'during the campaign in Prance1940f but he did not egdoeed in 'calming into action till the campaignwas over

He cannot remember. the disignations or the numbers a the' units to which he was attached,

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iN NO.11. In Halle he was the head of the Gestapo from' the end ofHALLE:• 19:57 till March 1941 only interrupted by a 5 months i stay in Austria

when the "Ansohlue -s" took Place.-

ACTIVITY IN No.12. ' He state about this that immediately before the Anschluss

AUSTRIA: took planate had volunteered .as a soldier, and that during his servicehe was' o4dered to appeat immediately in Munich at the Bavarian police,This'- took place the day before . the invasion, probably OA March 10.1 Vt938 , As far as he remembers he got the order from Dr, Verne YBest,HeYdrich .l.s deputy, He states when asked that he himself had n ,gto do with the preparations for Anschluss, but like any other Germanhe had realized that something was going to happen.

In Munich he was ordered to go to Eisenstadt in Burgenland,where he was to be the leader of the local - AustrianSecurity Police.He was in company with Kriminelsekretaer Mesmer ' -' id abt. 43,178 ems, ! slender, dark hair, no speeial mar . On his arrival atthe place the former leader had already been replaced by an AustrianSS man, whom the detainee had to have removed. 'When this had takenplace he connnenced organising the police according to the Germanpatterns, and he asserts that this took .plaCe without frictions ofany kind, because almost all the Policemen were.NaZis, Whentekedabout what he did with such poliOemen who Were not Nazis, he statesafter having pondered a little on the qUestion„ that as fat as heremembers there were no policemen who were not Nazis, at any rate itwas not necessary for him to re:neve any of the Austrian policemenfrom the place.

He states that simultaneously 11th' is job of organising theSecurity Police aucording to German model, he had to reorganise thefrontier police to attend to the service at the frontier towardsHvngaria and Croatia, and for these purposes several policemen hadbeen sent to him frap Germany proper.

For .instance he mentions:KRIMINALASSISTENT HEINRICH BUHR (aged abt. 30, 178 ans, strongly

built, blonde, 110 spedial marks).Kriminalobersekretaer BEHREND (aged abt,40, 176 one, slim, thin

hair, dark-blonde, one eye abnormal when moving). 'YllminalsekretaerXM GRAUTSTUCK (aged abt,40, 173 ems, blonde,

no-special m72.E7T:Iriminalassistent TENNSTAEIE (aged abt. 31. abt, 178 Om, ordinary .

build, 'dark-blonde, no special marks).Kriminalassistent GRUSA (aged abt. 30, 181 cms, Strongly build,

no ---Rartf-spemarks).:Polizaiinspektor Ulrich (aged abt.37, abt.172 CMS 1 aquare-built,..

dark-blonde, nonpedial marks).'

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e' Beyond the above-mentioned Reichsdeutsche there were about' one hundred Austrians, who worked under him, but he cannot remember

any of theit names or give any description of them, Simultaneously withthe work already 'stated' concerning the organisation of the Austrian

, .police according to German model, one of the first things tackled wasthe examination of the crowd of prisoners, who alreaRrwete at thestation when he arrived there, These people had partly been detainedby the Austrian police, who were Nazis, and partly by Austrian Nazisand by German "5th KoIonne g i Several of: the detention::: were quite -without basis, he felt, and therefore he had te separate those "whocould not continue' as detainees. Re thinks that there were 250prideners in all, but he Gannet remember how many he released, fornew prisoners flawed in, 'There was no time for keeping books onwhom Was release and who remained in detention, This terk took allhis tine while he was at the Austrian station. Furthermore his

s fi joh - consisted4n fighting the Irian resistanoe movement and incilric tigx?rwailregWitseOP. Rts in the distiiät ., but these were

Of no importance, He states that he cannot remember whether ' had been arrested were placed before a juage or whether

the . administration decided on their further treatment, but "of course"ail of them came in concentration Camps. •

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'MB TO - No.13., Late in July or early inAugust 1938 he returned to•Halle, where he had been attached to all the time, because - hisstay in Litstria had been ordered for the period of transition only.

In Ikalc.aa In all the other 1laie0wharo.ho had . been, hp•oommenced.'

a rderganisation - of the polio. - MorcoVer he was very much occupied .

N.Tith a :constantly grovincMarxistio movemnt in the district, v44ohmovement he had been ordered to keep in check. Mor:,-...,ver.thws.-r-,s •

t r.7--nv to reVi•ii-i, the,,eld Stahlhelintupementi•vitdattlWIOVero.Vair:aelbsd impdrtanOeVAJete chiar •ha had tp See toltheipactentArm.

- Of : tbi.; lndustrVrO.tyen:b5tar6 L-"Tki&Prtteat-itimitotthet'airradint

industries had hitherto.been under the military orryttigatienthe ?1. • e,

- '.11.*e1U 1t ,• thioh stul Watches at the factories as a:protection allAinst_.

attacka'from outsi13,, Boyensiepen t s job was plain pol&co *dirk, .

bethaUso the avehr organisation which vas in tho Gosta .vo controlled.

• • Th :tbi4iiersonnul at recirCa• reliability, .p.ciitical'attitraa etc.

.• • The mode of ,:re oedun, vas as fellove: ,..fter thoroughly having-, ft•ied • th .e . local military Shwelmaen, the lattdr were Used for the

i ablution of the ,ordinary police work.

• • • moreover Vertrauens-men were engaged in the factories- who constantly infonned the police of the general atmosphere' among

• the workers and spied their mates. ••

• Gradually the entire . protection•of the industry wentover to the hrnehr LbtIg, because little by little they usurped -

• the whole power, including the . command of the forces for protection•• against attack,

'• The detainee states that during his stay at Halle he waspromoted Oberregierungsrat, but.he • was not predated correspondingly.in the SS, which was contrary to what vas -customary. . •. . •In Mnrch 1944 he was transferred to Berlin. He doesnot think that there vas - any.partieular reason for this, but he - • •thinks that Heydrich trandferred him, simgybecause . he wented.him

• as the Gestapoleiter of greater'Berlin, He was in.Derliatill.Novanber• 1942. The detainee states that in-his office in'Berlin he did

nothing beyond the plain jog-trot works, and among these one of themost important was to be the leader of the Sohuttdienst„ the purpose

• of which was to protect the lives of prominent Germans and foreigners,• In Berlin he was promoted in the SS, first to the rank of Sturdbann-,

lUehrer and next to Obersturmbannfuehrer, the latter promotion taking •place Only after anUrgent request having been 'directed to• .*igaden-. •*.fuehrer STMJCHENDLCH, because otherwise he woUld • have run the riskthat the pernonnerunder his management would have had a higherrank than his in the SS, and that he thought this would have beeninferior to them as far' as police Work vas•concerned. He statesthis, - he says, because he wants to have it finally laid down thathe is not . one of the pet of the leaders of the Party, • Ref. inthis connection his transfer from Bielefeld to:Kccelin. • In 1942

• he was exempted from service, because a groat embezzlement affair hadbeen ascertained in his damain, • and'he Was . suspeeted of being an.acoessory.to it He was exepted froM pervice till March,1943, whenthe inVestigation was ended without anything having.been.discovered

• Hthat could be reproached him,. He states . that in this period hestayed with . histaMilt in Berlin, where he lived at'18.A fkyern

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TROSFER , TO •iLSSEL; No04, SimUltaneously wiih being interned of the result of the,

investigation he was transferred to Kassel ai InsPekteur in Sicihen•••heitsdienst and Sicherheitspolizei. • He was in Kassel till January14, 1944. His first job was rather administrative Work, and, he,had the supervision of the various 'Police institutions in the.district, as ford.nst;• the SD, the : Gestapo, and the Kripo,„ .flestates that he had me vexecutive thereforp' . he.. .: • .could not interfere .with,any . matters, however small they.mightibe.Furthermore he states that oaNevember'0,1 1943 he was prawtoc."SS-Dtandartpnfuehrer,and Oberst' der Raised.: • • • •

On -Jan.1411944: he r 'ePeiYed a te1eP4040:*nfohmati9n from•- §8-;.0bergriiPPenfuehror Waldeck unflytmant, heitipreauMptive, whoageathad teceiVed the information froth KaltenbrOaneti the headOfthe SD, Derlinrand through this information he was ordered to enter4)?•upon a position as the head af the Sicherheitsdienst in Denmark. r

He immediately went to Berlin and had rnarx interview tithEaltenbrunnet, who.explained h6m that he was .to go to Denmark andreplace the formet head,ar. vkil -Mc had not been able to .keep the sabotage ih Denmer in check. Ealtenbrunner moreover toldhim the Mildner still had his confidence and that there was a poss-ibility that he would return to DenMark, and therefore the detaineewould have to be prepaied tor his work in Denmark being of atemporary character only.

Kaltenhtunncr ord ed him to get at the aabotage withall Means - At his dispos and ordered him to get into conpsetion

SS.,Grupenfuehrer ler, who was the head of Abtlg. IV•(the Gestapo

- Mueller told him that first and foremost he had to get'into conneotibn with the. resistance movement and try to fight it .in that.way,' Moreovet he was ordered to seeS to it that plenty ofdetailed particulars about conditions in Denmark were sent to'ReichseicherheitsSauptamt in Merlin, and Mueller stated . that this, work , had been neglected to suell'a degree that the Hauptamt Berlin,as far as Denmark was concerned, suddenly wag confronted with aco-uMplished:facts. For instance) Mueller told that the strike andsabotageweVoimmediately before August 29, 1943 was hardly knownin Berlin.

On the same occasion the detainee was naturally informedof the facts 54 connection with the °cm:Potion of Denmark and the So-V-X-.--Suheequestil .ts, and in this connection he was Informed thatDr. Werne D st had not been succescful, and that the . latter wasHte -hlame far the adverse development of things.

- Moreover he Was informed that the policy eMbarked uponby pi. Dest:still was to be pursued, but that he (the detainee)

, was to lead...and be responsible for the police operations in Denmark.. Important matters-concerning the whole Denmark, however, he was tosUbmit to Ilea, who was Allowed to protest, but such protests would

-not postpone the Matter. ..Thus an action could be carried throughin spite :of Best's protest even if this .later an was capplied withby higher instances in Berlin. - Vice versa Dovensiepen was allowedto protest in Berlin concerning political measures taken by Best, butthe fact was that Dovensiepen i s protest actually was without effect

• like that of Dr: Best. In practice, however there was a quiet. and' sensible collaboration betWeen them until , the action against-thepoliep an Sept.10,19444 After this Action each of them virtualZywent. his aim Way.

In Berlin he was furthermore told what persons were the-bes-teperts on Danish questions. Among these Lis Bbffmann andStUdienrat Weesche-already served in Denmark, while a third maniObersturmbannfuehrer v. Loeve worked in the ReichssicheiheitsHauPtamt in Berlin.

-. The detainee tadseveral conversationc with Loeve, whom1w describes as follows:

AbersturMbannfuehrer vs LOEVE,. aged abt.A0, abts 174'9ms,very slimOhick, darkhair, no special marks. The. detainee statesthattpeye r; E: father was landrat in liaderslev'Ouring the German.period. 1.4)eve s Idl9 according to his own statement. had receivedhis information from Danes in Germany, regretted the development inDenmark and asked energetically the detainee to attain an actualcollaboration wit4-the Danish authorities. Save ,no positivedirections as to how to attain this.- ,

. In Copenhagen the detainee was received.byNalduerr.who remained'in his Office for about8 days more to inform the detaineeof the state of affairs. Not until Nildner had left, the detainee

commenced acting as the bosavand in acoordance with his old prin-ciple he gathered round him:a smallbody of men, who had his confidence.

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•Turing •ll'the timene was in Ddrrni4rk efjeeneensiitedof, the following perbanst

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VDr.-/HOHERDIN

• ,.••• ; ••• +.7- Dr.

Waesche l s deput,/

The detainee states that all questions'orimportanOe werenet redlithed till ., these ten had, discussed them thoroughly, and all

. of them were Allowed to make objections. ' '•

ORIGIN OP No 15. The origin of the SD dates back to 1931,4hen within the.THE SD: SS - which originally only had been established as a-security guard

for the bigwig:: of the Party and for keeping watch at meetings etc.A subsection was formed under the name of P.I., which probably maybe interpreted as press-information. The task of this subsection •was,to examine whether troubles might be expected atjthe meetingsor. whether astassinations against the speakers might' be expected.The head of this subsection was =elm, who from his former" service.All the intelligence service of the .Navy had certain:experience in .this kind :of Work. -This subsection gradually developed so that

. when the Nazis took over the power they started the' SD, and the ex-perience which. Heydrich had gained throughout the years, while the

still-existed, were now Used, when the SD proper was broughtintojexistencei-

Originally theie intelligence service AbtlgS, were verysmall, because the SS iteelf evenlseveral years after the Nazis hadtaken over the' power, consisted ef;alittle crowd of ; men only. Itis only during the verylatest'yeers that the $S succeeded in beingthe big institution, which it was right up to the end of' theThe detainee does not think 'that subsections had been establiShel:abroad before the Nazis took over the power, but, the reason for this •is probably that most' c'.it still' was in the melting.pot, ' " -, ,

, • ••• 'SD LFTER THE C, _ • " _H •tiTUEfl . '

NO 16. After the "Machtuetbrna1me 4 the PI was cOnverted nto theSD, but still it *as only considered a . sheer partyanstrument . for theattendance of intelligence service and the opunterileepionage againstthe opponents of the Party in Germany. The material collected wassent from the SD to the Geheime Staatspolizei, whiCh had beenest*'.f--.ablished. after the Machtuebernahme and which had. theexecutive

• .:authority,

THE GESTAPO: No.04 . ' .Theneheime Staatepaizei was...eStabliihed':eyeryWheie:in'Germany according to a government order.' In Pruiaa it'wae sub-jected,to Goering, while in the varioue German statee it watflub..jeoted to the Regierungs-apresident or t' any tO:theeupteme

' administrative .Authorities of the state in question. ' .- -The enlistment dt'amecrUits to the Gestapo s made Among'

the personhel of the criminal police, and :artery nati.onally,reltable" person was placed in the Gestapo, but pelioemen : whri'up. .to theNaChtUeberrahme-preferably:had been engaged1n , political oases.were preferred:.

,The detainee states 'that it wee . hot a Conditienthat the'person in question was a Nazi. (Andthiri was also topaseible,01240e at that timethere were not many Nazis in theAlpelice).

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No.18. It',Nlyl.V4, he thinks, they received an order from thedepUty leader that in future the SD wee to be the only intelligence-service ibtlg. in the Party. The'baoground of this proclamationwas that the various, fractions :within the Party, as for instancethe Arbeitsfront, the SA etc,, had established . intelligence servicesof their own, which hereby wore abolished.

at" the same time orders were issued right Up to 19/0 tothe VariousAninistries and organs within the adminstration that they.might get information through the SD, and that they were under obli-gation tosend information to the SD, just as if this was a govern-ment institUtuion. By this they hoped that the SD had got aMon-opOly in this domain,

..The detainee states that' despiteits rather peculiarpoeition in Germany, the SD was a party instrument, and that its,members were paid abOording to the rules Of payment for the Partyand not for the government, and this line was pursued right up tothe capitulation.

ORGANISATION Ne.19."The detainee states about this that Dr. Werner Best,OF, THE GERMAN Der Reichsbevollmaeohtigte in Daenemark has .' written a book concerningPOLICE: this question, which until the capitulation could be bought at the

booksellers i l and therefore interrogation concerning this point isathittedi

INTERROGATION CONCLUDED ON AUGUST 2ND,1945 AT 10 P.M.

(signed) Frost (Signed) ILSeg HadenLt.

CONTINUED AUGUST 5rd.1945, at 0915 hrs.

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REICESSICHID- No.20. The detainee states that when the Prussian GeheimeHETTSHAUPTAMT: Staatspolizel Was established according . to.Prussian Let of

1 February 1933, the Geheithe Staatspolizeiwnt'was formed as a centreinatance,'the,head of which was the then Ministerialrat.DTT7R.

.. The personnel was taken from the political section within -the "Landeskriminalpolizeiamt" at the police presidium in' Denim.When asked the detainee states that Hermann .Goering, who at thattine was :prime minister, beeame the head of the newly established

,Géheime Staatspolizei. Further he states that also outside Prussia.political police Threes were established.. In Bavaria, fe inst."Die .. payerische Politische Polizei",..thd.head ofWhichwas HEYDRICH. •

At that tithe HIMMER. Was the,head of the other police forces inBavaria:el:din the course of a year heHbecame the head of allpolitical Polic“Orces in Prussia * -During the first 6 months of1934 Himialler, who was an "Inspekteue . of the "Prussian GeheimeStaatspelithei", also became the 'deputy' of the Chief Pf.pame.On this occasion Herman Goering was succeeded by Drigadenfuehrer

I Heydrichas'head of the . Prussian Geheime Polizei. Through this• itwaS,pbtained to formate a political police for the whole of thecountry without legal authority; Now Rimier, who had practicallybecome theleader,of all the political police forces'in:Germany,sent: out Airections.Which were binding, an all the police forces.

' The detainee, states that.of.courseYthe Sicherheitshaupt-amt - the centre instance of the.Sicherheitsdienstr was not limitedin its scope of work to the interior borders of dermany, but was. comapetent to be aptive'in the whole domain of the Reich.

, Further Dovensiepen states that about the middle of1956Himmler'beeame the head of the whole of the German police, and assUCIF . he came directly :Under'the"Reichsinnenministerium".: 'He'organized the police in : tpo "Haupiaemter", viz. 1) , The Sohtlpo, thehead of Which was . Ohergrhppenfuehrer . DALUEG, and 2) Hauptsio2lpr-heiteptlizei,.the head of which was Heydrich. Hauptsioherheitepolizeiwas agin divided in two sections, viz,l."Geheimes'Staatspolizeiont"0,pd "ReichakriMinelpolizeiamt".. -

teLf.CLIER DEV-ELOPMENT OFTHE SD:

DISTRIBUTION OFWORK IN TI2REIIISSICHER4b..31-41.AUFTAMT:

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- .Ii 1959, the detainee states, the Sicherheits-'H hauptamt and the HauptsicherheitsOliiei athalgamated under the nameof "Reichssicherheithhahptame,Whibh was diVided in 7 "Aemter",viz,:

:,1) : Office .,for the personnel in the SicherheitSpolizei and theSicherheitsdienst.

2)' The econamid management for. the Sicherheitspolizei and theSicherheitsdienst.

..}'The technical management 'of the Sicherheitsdienst.

:4) The technical mangement .of the Geheime Staatapolizei.

5) The technical management ' of the Kripo.

6) Intelligence Service with regard to foreign countries.

7) Files and sCientifical investigation.

No.2I.' The detainee states that, when the Reidhssioherheits-hauptamt was established the connections betWeen ED and the Gestapo .were set off exactly, in order thereby to avoid the various quarrelsand disagreements, of which there had been so many. SD, whichformerly had been engaged4,in a purely intelligencerservice-may,

• in tasks the executive treatment of which was vested in theGestapo, was now only to be engaged 'in purely Intelligence Ser-vice, while in return Gestapo got the task of building up itsown Intelligence Service on a broad basis.

Now SD was to supervise the life of the Nation in• all its shades and report to the centre instance in Berlin, as well, as to the local political management. In this way the leaders ofthe Sicherheitspolizei : and the sp and' the political Management wereinformed as to the' general development in the pountry„,to the po

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ilia]: attitude of the pulation, to the reaction of Population'Against measures taken by the GoVernment,and to the Way in which'

- the population reacted to the Government's w47 of administering•Acts and by6i1aws. The detainee: statee that the purpose of this wasin due' time to be aware of a deVelopment in a wrong direction, ifany, so that it would be , possible to prevent it, Further it was

•the desire of the management in this way to ' obtain an:objectivepicture of 'the attitude of the people. In other words, the SD

- was to have a finger on the pulse of the People, and through itswork exclude the possibility of surprises;

Whet the lines for the work were fixed it appeared thatthe management of the SE had to be widely changed, 'and for thatreason prominent people froth the soientifioal trades were placedin the said domains.

Now more stress was laid on the counter-espionageWhich the SD was the only organization to perform, and on any

occasion the individual places of service within the Gestap0 madeout reports of the 'results obtained against illegal organizationsand their. activity, Through 'the places of service of the !Gestapo xeports.etc. , regarding intelligence work were to be sent tothe competentAnStance.and to the Centre in Berlin,

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No.22, In,1944 a re-organization tookPlace-within Int IV,the Amt ,being diVided into 2: groups. For- the'tuture the dist-ribution of the work should ne more be arranged according to theopponent t s way of attacking, but according to his political attitudar,i.e, f. inst“ case with a communistic spy should not be dealtwith by the espionage-clection but by the section which had to dowith the political faction in questien. The places of service roundabout in the country had to adopt these lines too.

The detainee states that in 1944 SD took over a number ofnew tasks. About the middle of the year the military Abwehrtook over the censorship of foreign mail and telegrams, TheZoligrenzsehutz and the Reichsluftfahrtaministorium!s Forschungs-,att and FarschUngsptelle were taken oVer„ toe. These tasks weretaken -overby the Ant IV and partly by the /Jut VI-.

Finally the detainee states that then these taskshad been taken over, practically all organs which Were te securethe Reich against non-military attaeke from within or from outside,aCd which had to de with espionage or Intelligence Service, had cameunder Hilimler ., who f6r his part let the Head of the Sicherheits-polizel take care of the work.

. The tasks which had been allotted to the Reichssicher-heitehauptamt and whiat-to begin with were. directed against theGerman Reich, only, were during the war extended to hold good

4." of -the Countries which had been occupied by the Nazists too •

INTETdtOGLTION CONDLUDING AUGUST 3rd, 1945, at 2210 hrs.

(signed) Frost (signed) Hgleg Madesn.Lt. Lt.

CITADEL, August 4th. 1945, at 0915 hrs.

SD in Dentark followed to the extent necessary to the•strueture of SD in Germanyvthat is to say the 7 HaAptaatter were

rapIKARIS: frepreeented to some extent:

ALTEDATIONSIWITHIN AMT IV:

.1-xlmTnn AP .

'HAbtlg.It

Abtlg,II:

i OFFICE FOR THE PERSONNEL IN THE SI ITSPOLIZEI AND THESIOHMSEITSDIENST.

Hauptstunnftehrer, Polizeiret6ETHMANN.

To Abtlg. , I beionge :

The office for thp bersonnel , the leader of which was:po zeiinspekto GE And later on: Oberinspektor

sna1/-ab,sGuard at the Shell-House .: -SS-Sturmfuehier DOFF

Canteen and foodp.supPiy.-deptirPolizeisekretaer• The management of the office work: PoliaeiinspektoPIOD.

THE ECONCKIC laGEMENT FOR THE SICUHRHEITSPOLTzFI ,UTDTHE SICHERHEITSDIENST.

Ilauptaturrafuehrers Poli,zeirat =NAM • ..

----Abtlg, :Wages, investigations,-auxiii Cervices

RATHGE1 and later on Pelizeioberinspekto CHW'aand payment of subsistence-money. Hea(114614ainspektor

-L----Sittig: II. .B Hauptsturauehrer,PolizeiratDFm""IAMC Further-Cnder-Ab4g7, XI, D.:0.843:49Pm-effairs-onderFolipeiseketaer .,HERDER.6): -. :- /- v/7

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atig. The motor-car. Peat TechC4 Sekretaer DOTOR.

Abtlg. 11.0.4: ? . .t . •

• Further under.Abtlg./IIs Telereoorder i telephone, and telegraphtunderObers,ekretaanaNN„

.., Abtlg. II included also: • . - / V. .

The Frsislev • oamp, leader: Hau/Asturmfuehrerl Polizeirat SCHRIEVER.

THE::TECHNICAL 9.GENENT : OF THE SICHERHEITSDIENST.Abtig. III:

Head: . Iiih‘nnfuehrer ES41.1: F:AHL:'

Ab4g.Iti.4.1 All legal questions. Le er SS-SturnabthmeuehrerARNOLD le:terHOn SS-etuambshanfuehre ITTSCHs, , •4

, I, di.trt-1/4-.... VWirt L.< ,Abtlg. • III. D: Head: Studienrat, Dr: WES= H. Abtlgs III. 0: " . ft n -"sr-

Waesche l s Abteilungen were engaged in chlthre and science, and theordinary intelligence service.

•btl •III.C.4: Press and translations, and contact wsth the cultural

PERL.section of the German EMbassy, Leaders: SS-Untersturmfuehrer

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4--Abtlg.III.D.: The trades. Head: HeuptsturmfuehreitEsizL.This Abtlgs controlled all brandies of.the Danish liggs.

ADTLGsIV: GESTAPO,Head: SS-Sturdbannfuehrer, Dr/OFFMANN.

Abtlg.1V.1: Opposition. .- - : •Abtlg.IV 1 5 ai Fighting of Communism, Marxism, extreme movementsand em4ropaganda. Head: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, Kliminalratt...

- % . . . ,AbtlgsIV.isbs Fighting of the Danish resistance movement, the .illegal press., and .insult ainst the German lehrmacht: :.

Head: Icr1Jni4la3Jcrnissar SCEVIEITZEZo later on SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer,-----..„...---1- Kriminalrat/JES Ebro -. :

Abtlg. IV.2.as Sabotage-Abwehr, political attempts tarorists,/arms an9/ explosives, Head: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, kri..:dralrat

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Abtlg.IV.3.as Abwer fairs. Head: SS-Untersturmfuehrer,Kriminalkanaissaer/ELPERT.

/ Seouring of the industries, sabotage guards, tulatary A ehr in the armament industries. Head: Oberstleuthant

4KARDT.

Abtlgs sc: Frontier police and frontier affairs.+ Head: Z.

'n.,,5 s al= Onst1,11eads,SS..Hauptaturmfuehrers: •

Kriminalra:t i

Abtlgs IV.6.a arid bl ilasi,acibthnbnts • i•d'personnea, oardmindex. of prinoners, and s for prisoners! oases. H.

4_ Head: Obersekretaer

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Abtlg. IV.4:bik,The l Jevs‘. eation.-Headu 8S4atiPtiturtfuehrer,Kriminalrat'EDNHE.

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Abtlg, IV,N. ; Gestapo's infoxraar service ichtendienst),Head: Hauptst fuehrer, Kriminalsekreta

Abtlg.IV./ I : Control with foreign mail and telephone * Head;.aEauptaniL0OL8EN.

•Abtlg. V; TI' Miataiflimi T THE ICRIPO.Head: --- ICrimino_l.direktor MANUA/

VB.4s Thefts, Head: Kriminaldirektor

Lbtlg. V.D.2: Fraud. Head: Kr-iminalra D .

Abtlg. V.DJv Sexual crimes. Head.: KriminakozzoissaPr

V.0.1 ' es Technical Abtlg, Head: Kerr; nal rat n.. n

V.C.3.at Police doge, Head: Kriminalrat

Aletlg*YI•Head: .

INTEILIGENCE SX1VIOE A 6404•PIt'l ss-Stutmbannfuehrer ii4 to (-4-2 :,SS-Hauptsturmfuebs- k LUFELD,102

4 3 SSi.etunnbann.fuehrer SSTEINS.K

ADTEILUNG.

Abti.ISSEIW

AirD rrAbtlg.VIIt FILLS AND SCIENTIFIC/IL INVESTIGLTIONS.

AS far as the detainee knows, this Abtlg. was not established inDenmark.

INTEPROGLTION CONCLUDED AUGUST 4 1945 at 1230 HRS.

(sign.) Frost, (sign,) Hoeg Madsen,Lt. Lt,

SD OUTSIDE No. 23 a. The detainee states that in some great Danish townsOOPENHLGENt SD-stations were established, F.inst, Aalborg,

Aarhus, Kolding, Odense, and Labenraa.In each individual case these minor stations had as

much of the original SD-organization as necessary for the executionof the service, The stations consisted of Abtlg,III and Abtlg.IV,only. The other "Lbteilungen" otherwise made out the p,were not demanded, and it • was impossible to establish them,

The Heads of the stations in question were;

eiLLDORG: Obersturmfuchrer/Or HauptstunnfueywervHOWT.SE-Stunnbaneuebrer, KriminalratLLE.L/

taa-a-ms: Abtlg.III. SS-flauptsturmfuehror .LRNOLIJ, who after the bonite)ng ofthe Gestapo 114. in Lahus oucceed.ed: SS-Mauptsturrafuehrer LOENNEOICaR.

Abtlg& IV. SS- uptsturmfuehrerwho after the bombing ofthe Gestapo , In .1,arhus 9acceThan-A-Sturmbannfuhrerp Ober-.

4_ kriminalra. OHNIETZGIMPL.',

KOLDING: 4- Abtlg. III. SS-ilauptsturmfuehrer, RegierungsraVELIJIMERG.

SS-Hauptstunafuehrer, Kitata

- SS-Untersttirmfuehre KOEHLERT.

Alitlg.IV. Drench of' the Gestapo in Kolding.

4s: Sabotage and countersabotage, Head: S&-shauptsturrafuehrer

GEEK0,--Head: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, Kriminalkommissar4COCK.VORDINGDORG:

Lppendix with descriptions of the leaders of the SD outside Copen-hagen and of the Greko is enclosed under: D.

GREaCO WiRINORE:-I-Head s SS-Hauptstumnfuehrer, Kriznineltommissa

GREKO SS-He.uptsturinfuehrer, Krmino.lkcndssaflö1.2COPENHAGEN:

SWIM

()DACE: SS-Untersturrafuehrer SCHNLEIN. . -

Abtlg.1T: Untersturmfuehrer, Kriminalsekretae HSE.

BORVIKUlt-Ibtlg: IV: SS-Untersturmfuehrer„ Kriminaisekretaer/SCHULWZ.(RAnne)

GRoztost ,ussLausT

Oalled Salaa, {.-1,4 .• tinter Abtlg: TV.3.o. - Head: RegierungsratM4iiSZ te,

Grethmkcomissariate had been established in Copenhagen;Elsinore.andVordiagborg. These KoMmissariate, which in daily

- parlance Were 'celled GHEKO, were only engaged in. frontier affairs,And they were both frontier police and customs officials. The

bead Of each inAiVidual station was : á police - man, who at the same . timewaean.SS-man. When the towns of Copenhagen, Elsinore, and Vording-

• borg-had been chosen aá seats for the =KO, it WAS due to the factthat in these places some sort of frontier-police work took place,as most of the illegal transports started from the coast towardsSweden. , Further the detainee states that in Jutland and Funen therewas no real GREKO, as the tasks ranging under Greko did not Appearto some extent worth mentioning.

ENTERROGATION CONCLUDED AUGUST 5, 1945, at 1300 ITZ.

(sign.) Frost (sign.) H.Oag MadsenLt. Lt.

CONTINUEDLT "KLSTELLET" ON AUGUST 6, 1945s at 915 HOURS.

GENERALLINES FORBOVENB.ZETENISWORK IN DEN-.Matti.

E0 .24. The detainee states that on his departurafran Germanyto Denmark he. had been toldthat the authorities in Germany hithertoha missed sufficient and adequate infortation abUt the eventsin Denmark, which often took: the Headquarters in Berlin by sur-prise. He had been ordered to see to it that this did not takeplace anymore. Moreover he hadbeen told that it'Vras of theutmost importance that the exportation from Denmark should take.place Undisturbed and unhindered, because this was of the ut-I:oaf - importance to Germany, and therefore with All means . at histlisposial he had to fight the -sabotage etc. --

On direct inquiry he 'states for certain that he gotto special directions about-thia from Berlin, but was allowedto act completely according to hiS own judgment. .

. On the arrival inter:Mark he had not devised any specialmode of procedure, but he dtermined to holdoff 4 little to beable to take the right measures in the right Place And in theright mu. .•• •

S Having been in Denmark -for 3 veekS or a month he real-ised that he would hove to use ail his strenght to fight theresistance movement, andin his opinion the best thing would be -to get into cioseoontact With'it, even if this had to take placeat the expense of previous time. To attain this end he was notunwilling to let the'rehistandetovement get an apparent success,because be took no interest in 'immediate successful progress,but as : mentiOned abet, he worked in the long view.

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. - • In convereaticaSHaDeet and parkke it Was agreed uponthat cases against Patriets :Were'to be carried through with severe,butijUatPUniehMents00 : shOW the resistance movement that the Germansintended_toHfight it roughly. In this conneeticia the detainee statesthat In .hi' Opinien:Dest had received.PowettLcorreopondin g to thoseof:Terbovon. in NorwaY,:for instance he might issue acts by means ,Ofordinances) an order capitatpunishment for : the infringement of these,

Such. acte . eatheipto force,:and.thereby the Germane thoughtto have shown the resistance movement blow they would react in case thereeistence . did . not atop*: .

.When asked the detainee states that no meetirgs were held,between. hi:MI :Best,' and Pancke,:bufthe idea of 'a stricter boursearose during convel'sations between him and.Dest on. brie occasion, ha+6Itveen him 'arid Pencke onShother, and also mutually' between Hest andPaackei . ead . throUgh thee conversations the a/M mode of procedure:gradually chrystalizeds. " . "

He -wants to etatethat.: these modes of procedure did not •. .oniy.tend-te warning the reeistance mas/amenty'but they also aimed atproteetingthemselVes:against'criticism:from higher instances in,Berlin..'" . .

,IETHOLS OF No.25, To .et 'into close contact with the resistance movement,Watt :1-71 .rmouoned. tr. Hoffmann, the head of Abtlg.IV, and told him that

somethingha&to 'be 'done but that he Would !leave it to Dr, Hoffmann. to take such Measures as he.found suitable. ..The , dqtainee states thatpersonally he had no knowledge at all of the various agents used byDr: Hoffmann-, but naturally he linew that such were used.

"H He moreover states that thiS . Vertrauensmaerinersystem nec-essarily had, to take place without toe:manyPeople getting acquaintedwith the persons in questiers.INTEIRROGATION CONCLUDED ON AUGUST 6, 1945, at 1700 HOURS.

(sign.) Frost ..(siga,) I-VagMadsenLt. Lt,

cOrTINuM ""KASTELLET" ON : L.UGUSTIT, 194;::ai 915 HOURS. .

.CONDITIONS IN NC•26. The detainee state that after August 29, 1.943 theDENMARK TILL Germans had 'been thrown 'upon fighting the increasing sabotage them-.

! SEPT.19,19444 series', because the Daniell police appeared 'Lb he rather unwillingto assist, •

'At New Year t s time 4943/44 the Germans made another attemptof.getting to terms with the Danish police for the purpose of

- fighting the sabetage, and the detainee states that from Danishquarters a.proposal . had' heen made, which, howeverryas not acceptedby Derlini The detainee adds that he himself, did not 'considerit asatisfactory solution of the difficulties, because after the develop-merit of the political conditions he did not believe that the Danishpolice. had any will to oellaborate with the Germane for thefighting of sabotage., On the other hand the detainee thoUght tohave found a Solution if the Danish Security Police was reqUestedto guarantee an effective protection of the industries that workedfot . GermdnAntereSts", and he askedDr.:nest to make such a claim.Dr.:Dest complied 4th hie. proposelywhich;atthe beginning we's metwith approval from The Danes rejected the. ,suggestiOn, hoWever', whereupon Dr. pest 91813:led that the policeforce should be reduced,

iTRLIroPoRTATION No.27. . The detainee" stateS: that- already under Mildner, hisOF DANES TO THEpredepeesor„Hpeeplehad been sent to the.concentration . camps, people

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,CONCENTRATION who in one way Or taAher were antagonists to German interests, forCAMPS: 'instance people uho had diatribUihdillegal.papers.

The detainee : waief"the'. Opinion, however,'that distri-butors of illegal papers or other "small sinners" shotad not besent to Germany, but,only. eaboteurs, terrorists, cammacists andhabitual criminals. "

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-Viten nevertheless immediately.after:he had entered upon his officea transport• of . sMall''"criminals" . went to Germany, this must be due tothe fact that this transPort had already started while Mildner was in

.Offiee, . • . ,• On 'inquiry, the detainee, states' that it was his own ideato tend these Patriots to :Germany, for he considered it an effect-

H ive Way of getting at the resistance . movement. He states expressly•that he received. no orders at all in this conhectiontrom his, sup-

' criers, 'He moreover'states:that when he•gave:the. order of trans-portation he was not awarei that elonditions in Germany were so bad thatdairy of.theeemen .14 9,1 under their stay there, but•wh.:n he heard-abent the Piret •ciatels;lles in condord with Dr. Hffmanni- immedslately filed .a reptnt to Reichssicherheits-Hauptamt in Berlin, in

: which' he Stated that tomething had to be done for the prisoners frondDenmark. 'The reason why he, did 'so was not only 'that he himself didnot want bad ' conditions for the .Danish prisoners, but also becausehe.knewthat the SS-Reichsfuehrer was ' ofthe.opinionthat ScandinavianpritenerS were to be treated particularly 'dell, even in German concen-tration eagles. He states - that the reports to Berlin on the bad

conditions were filed during the last third of the year 1944. .• ; 2 Confronted with the fact that after that.time:the•Germans

• still sent Danish citizens to concentration ofmnps...in Germany,.DoVensiepen.stated that this it trueubut it wass , due to the move-fnient:that they intended -be proceed strictly, and that in the detainee'sopinion a transportation to Germany would . bectonsidered a discouraging,

-..fate by most people, the m9re so because experience had proved thata.traneportation to the "FrosleV Canp" had no deterrent effect,

• . 'The detainee now stated at Hewn aocerd that each individual'cape in' which there was a . cuestion-OftransPortatien was. examined byDr.'Hoffmann, and by this they prevented that feta-important

patriots were sent. to Germany, •• . Confronted with the-fact that the se-galled morally

insane individuals also were sent to Germany, the detainee states thatsuChpersons according to German, donoeptionbelonged under the con-cept of habitual

• . ., La regards the' introduCtion'ef German courts in' Denmark

the detainee states that these were established *IrLt::Desto at thebeginning without direct order from Derlin.(probablY in April..1944), later on according to order from.Germanye.,

. The detainee: states that the background of the-establishment of these German courts in Denmark was that the •Germans,wantedto . ,anjoin:on:the resistance movement that if Occasionshould arise People Would lee seVerely punished-- even with oapitaitmmishment for 'certain sabotage acts, By passing capital punishments

with 'ensuing exechtions the•GerMans wanted to Prevent other. persons,.whOperhales were on-the.point .of 'committing :similar . actslfromaccomplishing these, . • • . • • -

' Thus the detainee states"that..it had happened several': times that sabotage acts . dr:"liquidatione" had. taken pladei"whereupon test or Panokp had told himthathow'a ldeterrente*Mple .had had to be laid .downeH Then the'detaineehad ordered that one ormore of,the . pritonerSJtho might expect capital' punishment for actscodmittedwere to liäyp . their o baies . vioken64.so that, they possiblycould be sentenced:the:flext day, so:thattbese.Judgraents mightbe.dirtet.reprisals against.the.sabotagd.acts,which . just had been •comMitted,. Thereupen,the-detainee 'states that theoreticallythere vu'uld , haVe beenHnoHhiadrance to the persoh in question not.being sentenced to • deatlii.if,nemorei,sabetageacts had: taken.-place.

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! THE PEOPLE'S;STRIKE;

: Thelrepriaals l e lt9iting nature, as-for:instancepUrfeWitraffWbAndi',_prohibitier4against hsetingici'mhich.were issued, , LY the:Germana,were 4,1374:�4 ±Ssued17 LW: liest, becausethe,detainee:in :such reprisals jo9nd:99:effeetille means 'against theincreasing SahOtaiis t andjle:CpUld hotsither . de anything. to preventthataCthe .a.ecisien in such cases wasted in Dr Best,

1 When theEe measures upOn the'VhoIe'were taken they shouldrather be eopsidered a propaganda for Dr.. Dest-toWards the geveinmentin Dcrlin, to enable it to see that the Germans in Denmark were awakeand immeiately went to eountenctioh when great :sabotages had'taken place in Denmark,

.N9. 29. .Thus the detainee states that the sabotage against theYiNordtverks. , as far as he remembers, was the direct cause of thereprisals,:Which later on resulted in the'gineral?Strike, When thegeneral strike was a fact the question of'bcw. tO fight it arOse l andin this connection the detainee suggested to . Stapthe'Supplies ofgasp eledtricity,, and water and to blockade Copenhagen from thesurroundingatoirestore : ordet.„ . ....

I.- The detainee stätea that he got the idea for these re-.. . .

prisals from the army, bepause he oameWhere has heaid . or read aboutthe use of such: means in situations like the one 174qh arose duringthe general strike, Consequently, he lent to Dr i,Dest and suggested

;that such meansvere_tried, aad Dr. Best agreed, thereupon th4measures Were accomplished.

. As regards-the shooting during . the strike, by whichsbout .a hundred people wore killed 1 the detainee states that GermanSoldiers had recUved orders-to the effect that the prohibition againsttraffic alter 2000 hours and the prOhihitiop . against crowds were,to e.somplie&with, pia:that...al mans were- to bese for the Oh-

ervande of these prohibi4'ens. " .. : _ .

1.1,-‘>,. --- HCOnfra2ed. ,wit .hS : factPthat i the so-calledTOorps" and:the .. Ib Corps!' eta, participated, in the , v_

... 'Wild chase", the detainee states that he knew!: that, but it teak'- place without hip order, because he had nothing StYsil to do

Jwith the said corps, the .".Sommer.Corpe being sUbjeet to the:::Lufiwrsffe an4 the !'Schaqburg Corpd,' to panks, •

:-. - _. • •' . ..1.■1900, "After the general strike's. certain tension arose .between Dr. Best arid the German Police. The cause of this

• .was thee r salling off ....the strlke, 16004use the detainee thought.that Pr.' Best at the negotiations about this had forfeited achance #190 . And for good to deal s:deadlyIblow:to . the DanishresiStanca',Movement. , . The detainee thinks that by continuingthe reprisals as long' as possible - suspension of the supply-Of lightrigasj andweteri l- the Germans.would have forted the .,'politicians tOU4bOit , t0.41.1 the erMaii'claime,. because the '.pelitidiens'eop4 thqir tOYlet - theGPip'enkaEgai paiSulittj.64, - litio as umatter'orfacit- quite linabiel-pared and spontanedUalyhad'gone in EcirHtha s'popple .!it strike, con-tinUO:under suPh Pnbedrable [Onditionsp:WhiCh . .esii4 might end:

- ill4. oistatrOph'à to the popUlatUr(Of the Confined city., __POSITION OF . NoOli ,After tha general strike. a few cases gave rise to

THE DZISH EpL. 'reflgotions' On how the ' Danish police mould behave in case ofICE.: an invasion. : It - is jirve . that the Danish police0s, d declared. . .

that ih:sUch 4 casejt but the Germans,were very iw9hi.S:dPukt whethcr the police men WMU1d followthe persons in 9harge:Pf:the:PO40s. 1*.IPs9se,Paring the workof the Go'rm4a -Sepur#91i9S*(4.4d S9v,4901.mas been dis-CoVP90:thatjbS;e24.0.:P9lictlia.P9n't.0::k44-01.44ersa. asaisted

ll'a'undergrpUndmovement . in woiniC

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cessful attempt at establishing aATTHMPTSAT After anREORG.aNISATIGR,-Danish police witkYEQjAdsen as !the head, the Germans tried

OF - to make the remainder o . aniSh crimirgl polioe. at thePpLICE: Policiejard to go into action, anclat thesame timethey

suggesibdto the ' Danish central administration that thepolice in the provinces ahead work as hitherto, but alsothis suggestion faile‘because the provincial police statedthat the .Germans had:publicly declared th

d'iat the Danish

police hadbpen dissOlved l antwas,futile, 'the detaineestates, that the Germans tribd to.iMprove things by deplaringthat the, action was only.,direotedAgainst the organised policeforces ofthegreat towns. - • .

. After::the Hilfepoli:Seihad.,taken;theYolibe Yard into7possessien,:the.Danishpublie, st-leiHe seased:te mP4e useof'the: Danish criminal poliecHdetained;:there„,andAhereforethe detainee had it :.: .OenveyedA:a-the'. 1:0M4alevbat0" An 2

transperts.

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The Wehrmacht sharedthese i points of view, whichPanoke has told the detainee .1)0. the latter has not parti.cipated-inpegotiationeof this kind. Probably those pointsof 'iriew resulted in that:Panokey got the idea :Of. a partial

detention- of the Danish police. The detainee states thathe had:nothing to do with this nese before it was performed.lie exPressed his poeition . bY saying that he "stood attentionwith his *gen", .

DECISION OFTHE LOTION111.LINST THEPOLICE:

N672 About 8 days before the action -against the police' (.k.e.pkplace,Fancke.confidenti sl ly told him that he had sent

--hiSCI. Z.D.C. to HIMMLIM to request the latter to allow him todiaárm:and detain the Danish police, and Pewit° had stated thea/m reasons for his request. Some days later the detaineeon his telerecordor recaiVed en -information from Himmler to

•the effect that the permission : had been given. The detainee...pnw saw. that the teleredord moreoVenecmprised.permittance todisMiss and detain the departmental heads; iwhich:Pancloa had

•not fbrmemly mentioned. AB the detainee was of the opinionthat it would be absurd to undertake this action againstthe departmental heads, he. informod KaltenbrUnner, his sUP'"erior, about the matter and alse . about the imminent adtionagainst the police. .

Through Potenbrunnerhe:mads Himmler revoke thepermisaion for detention of the departmental heads, Who wereabsolutely necessary in the detainee!s opinion, if the Germanswanted to. avoid chaos in thb:administration of Denmark;

When asked.whatiEtneke said to that the detainee_ thSteá that Panoke sñmply; did not notice. S...

No,.33, .... The. detainee . moreover states that even . j.' . he isad that he is not responsible for the action against the

poiice, : he *as ai.that time of: the opinion that it was theonly way, out, becaUse.frem aliiitary point of view the Germanshad to remove thethreat which the Organised Danish1410ewas to the Germani if Military operation. Were commenced inthis country.

The detainee moreover states hat the proof thatthe :Danish police, if occasion should amise, *mild attaokthe Germans in rear, was - as already mentioned - that theGerman security pollee hadsreceived information to the:effectthat:ajew-Danish.poiice•Men .had.ialegal workrhut bettatesempmessly thatthn action against:thepolice was exoluSivelydiatatedby mi,iitcary re?Lsonso-beclause'frOm a police :point of!law, the German-of bourse high\Ylre ga'stted that a vacuum 'arosewhich with :the 2Orces a$ilabe,they were not able to fill.

DOVENCIEFENISATTITUDE TO .THE LOTION AG-LINST THEPOLICE,

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In order to fight the oriminal practioeg which arose;: niter'Sept.19th, the detni tee Ordered the use of GerdaW'hethedS ' ih raids', :because theywere qUite unable to fightthe indiVi4ual-cases as they had not enough Mon for it.

The'pereon whO wereneized at raids mmrerogatedpand the Germans examined whother they were on theDAniph card indezi . and if there were habitual orimihalsamongst them, these were piaked out and sent to the South.

GLELRING NUR- No..152, The seczrity police service was' left to the munioipalDERZt emergency police which had been 'organised with Germ= Approval

The detainee thinks thatthe fight against thepolitica/_opponents in Dengmrk was not partioularly ohanged after Sept.19th, but:phreued a quiet development.%- Wheh Confronted *ith the faCt that after the saiddate there waS an bnheardof increase in the murders-oommitted-by bah parties, the deteinee states that even if the impressionhad extended in the resiAence Movement that:the murders of

, the patriots took place as clearing mbrders. this is withoutbasis- in the actual facts, for the detainee is'of the firm

, „-oPinion that no Daniah or German authority had ordered theclearing murders, but that these took place acctirding to -aPpntancsoUs impulses in the various Nazi circles misioh workedJaetivaY for the GerMans'. : 1st Ahy rate the detainee Maintains

:; that personally he had nothing at all to do with the clearingMurderg, and he has never:issued ahy order in this respect.

COUNTER-Eda-': 'No.36. ' Le regardg the::!SOhalburgtagel,1,(counter4-eabetage)OTACE: the same thing applieS, ani the detaineemoreever states

that neither in the case Of the Clearing murder nor id,the

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PLNCRE's 'ATTI-TUDE TO THEGLELRINGMUR-1DER'S LND THECOUNTER-SABO-.TLGE.

hase.of the rSchalburgtages" the GerMans did anything-to:find the culprits; because these acts could hot :be said to -be 'detrimental to GerMathinterest. He furthermore admits

• that these clearing murders actually were executions of host-ages, but he still ease/rite:that neither he nor any other . re-spensible Germans had any share in this.

No. 371• On enquiry the detainee states that naturally hedisthissedthiiigs:with Paneke l his immediate superior, buthe has never-received anY . information from the latter which

, might sugreatthat he had'anYthing.to do with these acts.On directinguirk ' tha-detainea.deolines beingammre thatPenske had'receivéd . orders from GermanY to the effect thatevery time e. sabotace act had taken pleee a pure Daniahundertaking was to be destroyed; and. every time,P; Germanhad been °IiqUidated° 5 Danes were to be shot,

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No..: Bovtnsiepen etated that according : to 'the Germanmilitary regulations 'it was permissible- to use violence tomake a suspect—ive information este the illegal organizationOf which he was a Member,. if there was to time to obtain theresult : through norMal exaMinatiOn, These regulations werealso-'employed to the Danish prisoners,Hbut Bevensiepen claimsthat as far as he. knows the limit giv(nr in the regulationswee observed, : viz, that each suspect must receive 10 strokes„only, with a cane.

/ -Y COnfronted with the fact that there are proofs,akhand to . the effect that illtreatmonts have taken place- farTheyond what haabeen , statedby the detainee, he claims_not to know anYthing orit, he, at any rate,, 'has never order-ed something : in this. direction.' FincCLly Bovensiepen admitsthat in a fe* cases he'has ordoredttrokes by a cane, amongst .others in thacase , re MOGEN FOG.' .

CONFRONTED WITH No.39." The question Of, clearing-murderd (N0.35.) andPLNOLTI counter-sabotage (NO.36) wore again discussed thcrouSlAY

With Boyensiopen„ who was informed of the fact that the .Danish police-have : got some prisoners who have admitted thatthey have received ordersdirectly from BoYenstepen to oommit

- these crimes, but Bovensiepenjtill claims that he has noknowledge:hereof, and he sticks to his already given statementabout .these questions..

Now Bovensiepen was informed that Panoke hasstated to an English report that the order.to commit Clearingmurders and countersabotage was given December 30,1943, inHa meeting with Hitler, and that Pandke had passed this order..on to Bovensiepen. To this Bovensiepen Said that if he couldbe allowed to hear this frem.Pancke timaeif, he would be willingto tell-mrhat he knew. about :this,-

.NowPandke and r,Eovensiepen were confronted, and inBovensiepenkaPreSence Panokerepeated that he had relatedabout,theimeoting With the Frehrer on Deo.50, 1943, whereupon'Panoke was at Once taken outside again with no. opportunity tbexchange other remarks with Bovensieten.

TaTLER'S ORDER: No.40. . 'The Bovensiepen stated that Ja4450944, he had learnedfram ILLTENBRUNNER, the:lead of the SIPO,thatthe:Fuehrer f •

had issued an order to the 'effect counterterror and counter._sabotage were to be earried.eutintenbarkin or to fight:down the resistance 'movement in this country.., These orderswhich had been given by the Fuehrér on a-xlierOccasiOns hadnot been carried out to' hie full satisfaction, which he had toldTanaka and Dr. :Hest during a meeting December 3 0,1943, at

1 which he had expressed his anger that his clear and'unmistak»able orders to this effect had not been obeyed.

Thereupon Best and Pancke had been sent back toOopenhagen with orders to have Dr.- MILDNER, the temporaryleader of the UPC in Denmark, displaced because his ma:sures'had been taken at too late a time in the opinion of the Pushier.Here Bovensiepen stated that in his 2onion Mildner could not,be blamed, the blame was to be laid on the commando whichMildner had demanded for this punose, because the latter hadbeen sent off too late, and before it arrived Mildner'hadcommenced on his own accord. Now Bovensiepen states furtherthat he was given the task of continuing the work which hadbeen started, but in all oases he was to obtain Dr. Best'spermission for the action, in order that the political linesshould not be impaired, and Best hand over the responsibilityto the Sipco On this occasion KALTENBRUNNKR, the head of theGsrman Security Police, informed him that Pancht had got aspace of time of 3 months in Which to carry throughflitlerlsorders, and he was to ., obtain a satisfactory result in the courseof this tire.

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With regard to the technical execution of the work he wasinstructed to carry,opt . theE .WiationsVilixkhad Already beenplannedrin Such aWay that the duApisien•fell on opposit•, .- "-

.CONFESSION ASTO CLEARING

. /1.4:ORDERS ANDQOUNTER,SABO-. .TILE,

• BoVenSiepen was also told that the Fliahrer wasof the opinion that terror should be foughtdown:by counter-terror, winch experience he obtained during the.itroggles

.:Of the patty in Goirilagy.

Now Bovensippen explained had arrived inCopenhagen % immedlatcly after the attempts at the livec of . e: 4'anongst ethers Kaj Munk, BjØrn Krattran&Cbristian Dw,.ivhiohhad been carried through btMildner, DuiiflWThlJ,owang fr#period, almost % all'eases of othintereabotage and clearing murderswere 'carried out with his•speeial or generalpermissión, inso far as these actions were really carried oUtlyBevensiepen'sgroup.

-FUrther Bovensiepen''states that' his permission wasnet :alWayw..obtained, but in these Cases the reason was thatthe groPp took.it for granted', that he wOuld have agreed to theaction.

'TETER SCHAEFER”NO:43.* Theene-grepP-ataid-up him

Palled PeteIn the beginn

ki At that time-Til2h&Ciethe other 2 or-,:rneni:ere-Of-remember the name, but adds

.fle maintains thatal'nemelbUttaVing be -

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No442&' beginning Bovensiepen always went pp to,.Dr.Best and Fanoke before an'Action and Animated the achemes•to theml iflle had not been ordered by them to:undertake theaction. Later on when the aCtions became:More rimmerout heapplied to Dr., Best only whervit was a question of particularlyimportant actions, and gnadasnlY Fancke was only informed whenthe actions had taken place.

Bovensiepen wanted to emphaeise that as well Dr. •Beet as Pancke and he hitPelf-had misaSt -times tried to have theFughrer la order abolished as they were able to See that thecarrying through' 'of his Orders did net have the effect aimedat, and they realised that in this-country:it : Was a completelywrong'propedure. -

INTERROGATION CONCLUDED AUGUST 1809454 -at 1130 HRS.• ,: Frost , :.(248r4) 46egigadsen

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tainee states that in practise there-was onlys 'disposal for the carrying out of the tacksy the uehrer'through Panoke. It was the so-

?i, yytioh by the way already existed when0 1944 he took pp the position after Mildner.

-the.leader of the group,oh were all German, He cannott their names were' aliases.

does net - know Teter Sohaefer" aormed that he-was identical with

he stateulthat his Christianname, was CTT0.'t -He Agee° •es Peter aa.-

Height4'abt,i'190'0nis4bleek.Jhaired. Unierstvilmi'vehiez;.

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The detainee states that he does not want to expresshiMbeif fUrther' OW ."Peter:SohaeferP,':with Wt.looth he, by the w4Y.

tie could:only Pay that "Peter Schaefer"was an idealist and that he had reported to be given specialtasks. He belonged to the . reSalt SKORZENt /

_ke a sum t

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• As far efle•knows "Petee , was remeved in September.: 1544 in order to enter're'rient'Skoizeny for SPeclial tasks

in France. Later .on he came to the East Pront bUtthe detaineesaw hiM last in Copenhagen which he 'visited ilmidarch or April

:• this year. ES intetded'pextly te oalI-epon the place of ser•• _vice, partly-to see his fiancee t 'a ..Danish eitizent/Volksdeuts...

char. The 'detainee does not •Wanfte:state the name 'of thefiancee.: From here hewent to-Berlin, and since then the

• detainee has neither heard about him nor se n him.

....:11,;:i,ak ' . -'-i. zc!:;

ISSEL: zr: HN0.9..ft.. In August . '/544 Haupteturmfuehre IMILLPame :.:o .-, HOopenhageniwbere.ke-Wea%to:suoceed•Veteregbhuefeeas leader.'. --.- The : detainee described Isiel: .

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. _ISSEL aged abt.34; Height: 'abt. 478 °Ma. Slender Dark hair.Hauptsturmfuehret.

• and he states that as far as he knows Issel had no alias.Having been inCermed, however, that Issel may have used the:

_- name of,JtORSDVALDENB sIG hexecollects that Issol used thisname at iM-tUtiernin-MTenriEgen at whiCh he lived. It is theonly connection in which he has heard the name of Horst WS1tdenburg mentioned. : .

TD:!".PETER GROTJPITo.45. The detainee states that from the beginning the group .,•. -::: ' consisted • exclusively - of GermanS, later on the Danes game, and

the latter were.tedruited from the Sehalburg.Corps. The. - detainee how Staed the name ofTheireans who have been members -.•

of the group, at the same tihe stating Viet as faras .he knows..are aliases: .' ..

V , .„ .HOLZ Email, square-built, light blue eyes. -. , .

aged abt.22. Heights .:abt. 182 ems, Slender.

BAack.haired. ' ' ..•.: .MOM OR BIMME aged abt. 26. Height: abt. 182 ems,: power.

41.14.4614.r.idisek.haited. ': _(Either. PRITZ,or HligaLwas killed during the pollee actiona ttlienimrg Castle, Sept.19,1944).• dia".aged abkt.th6, heightt-abt. 178.ome.HSlim, fair.

NCIDE,.aged abt. 32,'abt. 170 ems,. 152-arifoSlaired.

:memberal....,--, aged abt. 30 abt, 176 ems. Sl1is„"fair.. . , . . :..: , .

. . . . • •aged abf....,4„ abt.

Name m1movn,agedabt,,32,.abt.180 ..mds fair.; hLowerany and possibly the tight, partly pe.ralysede

:///ZOE? abt.' 31, abt.17u asital fair.

In order to. pr4i

oVide,pbpots ferhet counter-terrorthe detainee tadese.ofIB6 so-Lcalleddisfilest about which

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•OB. No 46. „lfrEGekthany. the PartY biaa eitabiliood a so.called

A.file comprising names of persons who in a critical situationwere to be taken in custody in order; to secure the'Peich fromwithin,. This file hid f.inet. been taken into use when thewar broke but, when the Government took into custody prodoinentpolitical opponents, Who had hitherto been at liberty,. f.Inst.SeciAl..demooratic leaders t etc.

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CONCLUSION:

- Men he arrived in Denmark the detainee made - ,up,tite mind to work ap auah.a file.'hersOodj anclhe extended it

•to comprise lirMa:Which'were principably against a.eollaborationwith the CerMans. Y 2H0 sent:Ont. :eiders Of the day to the Abt-Oilungen inhis,Offioe.ordering them to prividP objects witha 'reason' in' each individUal base, In this way this filecame into existence inPox:Mark, but the detainee an say nothingabout from • Vhom the Lbteilungen received their inforMation.

. • , Order to execute the orders given by the Ftehrerhe' made use:of the above files, which were placed at 'thedio-posal of the','PeterGroup". When denbunoers had been Jiquidatedor Cottons had been shot, and when sabotage had taken plc:00'in afirm which was working for German account, the 'leader of the groupsubmitted A report to Bovensiepen stating that-'a certain personor a pertain firmwould do as an' object for reprisals, 4n d at thesame time lioyensiapen was told that . could be said to the,dis s

-advantage of-the'person or firm: in question with regard tPrelations with GerMany. In the beginning the detainee alwaysZiadussed the individual oases with Best acpording to his order .from Punch's', but later on when the reprisalactions ,became daily,he infOrmed Best only in case of criminal cases, because in these.cases Best agreed With Bevensiépen's ideas. Ne Aid not dia.cuss matters with Penoka, but he inforMed him of. 'them,' becausePanake always agrced,with the detainee's ways of dealing.

' Th&detainee States that on some opeasion Best also- gave up objects to the detainee, fianst. Best drew hie attention .to "Viborg:a Fabrikkern, and ii ; waa Beat the in the beginningprovided lists of firms hostile:to Germany, and who handed themotierlo the detainee, who Againpaseed,them over to "Peter".Boat possibly received the lista from 6Ruestungsstab".

• But it also happened that Beat had objections to the•execution of certain reprisals, andthese objections 'have allbeen compiled with ekcept in a fewpases, another objeat beingpointed out which than : received Best's sanction. Bovensiepenstated that in a few cases the personnel of the Sipe placedVoluntary non at the disposal ofzthe 'Peter-Group"i which other-vise arranged everything itself. This was the care f.inst. in thecountersabotage against. the flit , of "Aller".

, • .During the interrogation BoVensiepen has willinglyand, as it seems, truthfUlly given statements regarding PnwelYtechnical- questions, tinatcabout . the Reichssieherheitshauptamt,SD in Denmark, etc. j and has gilt:n.1 names and descriptions Ofpersons who have served under or' together' him. On theOther:hand he till not give the namJa Of persons who in SomeWay or other have been guilty of crimes, if he" supposes or issure that the person in queetion is at:large.

Further it was not until after a thorough cross-examination that he admitted having booked up the orders forclearing - . murders and ootntersabotage together with Pancke andBeat, and he did not admit it until he had been confronted withPartake. "

Thedatainee.makes, the impression of being a cold andlcapnrmaightedperaon Who is 'able fully to judge 'the scope ofhis work, and"whe . haa realised, been convincedr indeed, of thewrong he did when'exeouting the orders given, even if he claimsto be persdnally unpunishale, as ha has :toted according to: his duty of Esc:Irvine conferred upon him fox the interest of'Gertrany., •

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RECO.MENDATION: . In niy opinion Dovensiepezi has incurred panaliYi eadespite his own convicitiOn and contrary to internationalarreements in force he has; been guilty of heavy crimes inthis country. The fact that he claims to have acted. underorders cannot come into consideration„ , as he Was staying inan enemy country.

. Therefore, it is recommended that BoVeriaiepenbe -Drisiarily handed over to the Danish courts for furthertKnatment according to what has been stated above, in the

,P,',Aternat iyo that h., be handed over to the proper elated.‘ , iristances to be judged as an iriternational war oi-iminki.

INTERROGATION CONCLUDED AUGUST 29, .1945, at 1700 HRS.

(sirin,,) Frost , (Si) HASeg Madzen

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Polizeiinspek-or, RATHGE, te

' raplaceajo Jantiary oflebruary . 1944 byI' Polizeiinspektor 'BUSILY 'Tit-Cad abt. 37 abt. 176 oms,

slender, bloride, Eiallow-Oomplexion.'

The Wm 2 men had to •do of salaries„. ,,, • ;exaniiriations, auxiliary -servicte,' nd payment of lubeiStenee-

.: money for the

t , Abtlg.If B. Hal6Sturraf'uelirer," Pal, rat BETM119N ' stiie .''abOVe !wider1.,Tht2g. I. Betbmithn-rhad •to dO-airrith' con! is-oated'property; this teak being Vested in

Abt :II . B-• ' •

. • . , • ‘. btlg.tI . B had COrther to ..d.b r itith . .canteen matters, : theroutnie wOrlc, Of vvindh was perforr.aed by the ajni VolizeiséltretaerEMZHI%. .

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APPENDIX PTERROG4sTION CENTRE„pRIT1S1i WaLITLRY MISSION DENMARK

;c/IF/.4i/Xil L.T.4GADES SKOLE:

• Ajz_._,tag...LI_L. Headt Hauptsturafpchrer, Poiret BETBMANN aged abt. 173 OnISsquare-built, dark-blonde.

PolizeiinspektOr &AGE; aged abt. 40, at; 182 ems, very, stenlight -blonde . Was head of Persortnel.;Eept.and PropertyrDept. 'under. ..fibtlg.; until

airianua,ry or FebruarY. 1944, when replaced byt

aberinspektor a aged 33, .bt, 176 ems, slender,. • klaók-haired,: wore specta.cles.

SH-Tintersturrafuchror DOERFLER. aged abt. 33, slot: 178 Orniiislender, stronr r,ly built, dark-blond. t;

Was 0,1:0. for the SS-guard at the-,.011046.

;PoliIzeiinspelctor aeoDgcx, aged abt. 38 0 ' s.bt. 174 oMe,

; siius.re..hitilt, dark-blonde, almost black- •, Supervised the offioetwirk of the

.

. •HeadiHauptsicr.mplehrer, Polizeirat BETHEIEN see above under Abtlg.,

•.. . - .1 ST4TE1ENT MADE Bi SS-ST,INIVaRTENETEHRER aND OBERST DER POLIZEII OTTO B QVENS LE P E N REHARDING• TIM TASKS AND THE

1 DESCRIPTION'S OF THE I.E.',DS, OF DEP_STKINTS AND IIIPORT..NT INFERIOR

1 PERSONNEL EMPLOYED IN THE SD IN COF.E.'NEHAUEIN UNTIL ELI 5TH 194.5.

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Polizeisekretaer BERBER, aged abt. 42, abt.: 172 ems slender,light-grey hair. His jolD was almost thatof Paymaster of the Abtlg., its he ms the

, head of the Canteen and the Food-814.34?1,r.Dept,'

Teohn. ; OberthelcreVter 'ZIEMANN aged alit. 34., t abt, 478 ems,-ordiziarrtmild1 dark-blond. Had to do with

' eVeryihing, r‘egarding tele •-reoorders,. telephone,and:t4.0dr!-Ft . • , .

abtlE; nig. r.teb2i,8S1tciitadi HOTOH .,.'aited 'abt.38, .176 cos Square-,- "Th, ylkat';',A4Ondes.- .-

4113tIi„i: 1I 04 Maim the iiersoitnet bj 'eight only.

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4.177-LTHE FRASLEV caretHeads Bauptettrffifuehrer, Polizeirat SCHRIEVER, aged obt...50

abt, 166 amai corpulent, dark-blonde,.

Heads Sturbbannfuohror FLANS PAHL, aged abt.38, 178 ems, slender,,.blonde, "a dashing fellow".

, ckg,,-K'Abtlg.III . A. SS-Sturbbannfuelther ARNOLD, aged abt, 314., abt,182 ems,

•slender, but strongly4pUilt 1 darkblOnde wavywore spentacles, Was leader until the

bop4nnin:k of 1945, when he was tranferred to:Anyhuslas Auesenstellenlqiter. of .III.

• Repladed hyt .

Sturbbaenfuehrer :KAELTSkted dbt. 37,.abt.-181.cms, ordinary •, buildp.dirk-blonde„ thiok

'r>411 141 Danish.eititen, ddress probably Copenhagen, 'aht.45! years, abt. 170 ems, squaro4ouiltj grizzly,

thin htAm4.,•

Abtlg,III B. SturlionrattThBO nw ans, aged abt, 43, abt. 170 ems,&LI:built; thin, very grizzly hair.

C.Head: WAESCHE, see above. .

Abtlg.III 0 l . Heath W2 G14Creee above.-"

SS -Untersturmfuehrer EDI, aged abt. 38, abt. 182 cms, slender,"'blonde wavy'hair.-

--- A Dane by name of POEGE iaged abt.25" 'abt. 186 cms; slender, dark-blonde, hair,. possibly spectaoles, Made trans-lations from the Press.

tev\L'2DtlJIiI i). Head: HamptsturiAfuehror EITEL aged abt. 35,

abt,176 ems, slender, blacks.h.dred, were 'spectacles, By the ways, he replaced in .March 1944:

Hauptsturmfuehrer , FRIDSITI 0 aged ' alt,34, abt. 175 ems, slender -J• dark-haired, possibly spectacles,- -who at

the said point of time was transferred toCass

AhtlgsIV:Head: Sturdbardifuehrer, Dr. HOPMIUTN aged' •abt.: 33, abt. 172 cms,..

:ordinary 14M, wavy blonde hair,P.diiipositiOn::_t_to corpulehee..

•Headt:M i.iuptst smmfuehrers lalminalrat HS BEPM4NNSEN,

1 H aged abt...501 . 4bt. 173 ems, square-built,„dark-igreY hair, ,tore spectacles. A2tlg,IV.1..awas to combat cOnnunismpliamdm, radiaalmovements, and enmmy propaganda.

• -lbt2g.IV. 1.bflieadi KripinalkozZligsaer SCHWEITaER aged abt.t382

abt.17, cm, ordinary build, dark-blonde hair,=Ate:elle. Schweitzer wasihe head of the

Until September 1944, *114n

SS4IdUrtsturbfbehrer, itriZliairat ' aESSEDJ took over the :direction.• He Was - abt: 50:yeara old, 174 alma, square-built,

, grey-hitted; wore •speataole8%, 'airs YrPriCing,Abtlgalf; . >1.0300Wpied itself with tile Danish-Resiptanbe Movement, the illegal Press, andinsults iighinst‘th6-Wahrmaghti

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Lbtlg.IV4a: Head:

Lbtlg. IV. 6. at Head:

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Lbtlg..17. 1..ct was not actin in Dennualei

Lbt*g.IV.2:'Head: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, KrirOnelrat laTa aged abt. 38,,

abt. 482.cme, sporty:, blonde. Was head of theReferats =db., both of which Wpreloodupied with 7Sabotageabwehel . politidal attempts,terrorists, teapons 0 'explosiVes and parao ute-agents.

SS-Oberstunfuehrer, Kriminalkommissaer ELPERT, aged abt.36iLbtlg.IV.3,at Head: • 178 ems, slender, darlophaired, disposition to baldness.

Abt.IV.3&a. had to do with Lbwebr-matters.

Lbtlg.17.3.bt Head,: Oberstleutnant EOKLRDT, aged abt. 54, abt. 1.70 ems,square-built, grey-haired. Used two sticks whenwalking. Tasks of Ilbtlg.17.3.bs securing ofindustry, guarding, Sabotage-guard, and militaryLbwehr in armament industry, which in realitybelonged under Lbt:IVIII,d.; but had beenabsorbed by

oct-vq_Lbt1gvIV43,,c1 Head: Regierungsrät HLL1SZL aged abt. 53, abt..182 ems,

slender grey-haired.• Lbt.IV.3.d, had to do with frontier police andfrontier matters.

atria-SS”HauPtsturmfuehret Kriminalrat BUNKE, lee :index.

Abtlg,17.2. . Domain; Matters regarding Jews.

MauptstUrmfuehrer, KriMinalrat H2S HERMLENSEN, seet under-4btlg.IV.1.a. Damaiiit'iTroatzdienet".

a..0"Bauptsturmfuebrer, KriMinalrat HaNS BERMLENSMN, see

under Abtlg.I7.1.4'.Leader of the nUtine-work of the Lbtlg. was

Obersekretaer KMUSE, aged abt. 4.8„ abt.178 ems, ordinary.build, grey-haired; .

whieh was amalgamted withLbtlg.IIT.6.b., had to do with card-index-filesand doduMents regarding personnel, as *ell ascard-index files condoning penons detained,and archives for oases regarding such.

Head: Unterstumfuehrer, Kriminalsekretaer PREISER„ aged abt.38,abt,173 ama, ordinary build, grey-haired.

Abtlg.TV.N. had to do with Gestapo's informerservice (Gegnernachrichtendienst).

Cttry-A-Lbtlg.IVIIII.atHead: Hauptman JLOOBSEN., aged abt. 60, abt.172 ems,

corpulent, grey-haired, thin hair, wore spectacles;

Domain of the Lbtlg: Control of foreign mailsand foreign telephone conversations.

Lbtlz1 V: Head: Sturmbannfuebrer, Krim.dir, M.aIL aged abt. 36,abt.178 ems, slender, blonde, sporty.

Seoond-in-eommand was:y/

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Krimins/rat D.HE I, aged abt.46, abt.182 cue, slenderigrizzled, black hair, drooping. •

Lbt.11, was the teal Criminal Police, and thedetainee does not recollect whether the Lbtlg.was divided AP in Referats. Besides the Wm personsMaly andDJ-roil ware employed:

Bovensiepen knot, hot dstablished in this,Country:. .

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GL.4,5“Kriminalkornissaer MAIRMIS, aged Olt. $4.) at. 180 011113)

:strongly built, i-blOnde.:,..gurther:

kriminalebereelcrotaer STENENS,-aged abti 420 abt.• 178'0nel:corpulent, bald-headed with a ring

of red;blönde hair: Purtherc

Albtlg.V.o.1,01 Head: 15.riminalrat D.HEIL.0 see above• under Lbtet..geoTtin-coumand:

Eriminalobersehretaor S S, see above under Lbt.y.

. . •2.btlg.V. -o.1:6[-had . to do with phOtogra.±21Y and

• .OriMinal...4eohnical work,

Lbtlg.V.0.3..a: Head: Krininalrat De HEIL see above underLbtlgiV., Domain: Polioe-dog.Service.

y44t.„. yi: Head: Sturmbannfuehrer SEYBOLD, aged alit, 34 1.'abt. ,17fi ems,slender) blonde, Seybold waS'the'head tuitii_Marc4.1944, when he'was'sUeceeded bYt

,Hauptdturmfuehrer DAPELD, aged : aht.' ,38, abt. 176 ems, slender,

dark-haired,. 14 Sat.: 1944 Daufeld was replaced by:

Sturvihannfuehrer:C.ASTENS, aged abl. 38; abt: 172 oms,ordinary build, dark-blonde.

11bt3gaI,mas pcolipie4 with feroign Intelligence: •Service:land was. in reality no'thingbvt anespionage-Lbtlg. 'Second-in-oemmand:WasHauptsturmfuehrerDatifeld..',—. . .

Head! HauPtsturmfuehrer ISSEII, aged abt. 32,• abt,178 cmpl ' slenderi. black-haired.

Domain of Abt.V/.s: Sabotage and Counter-Sabotage.

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Abtlg.III:

ICOLDING.

Abtlg.IIIt Head!

Abt1)7.TV: Head:

AAIHNR) .

Aussenstellefuer SD.

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CITC,TaNINTERROG10N.CENTRE:•:BRITISH 141ITAKE MISSION DENMARK•ALSGADES SKOLE.

STATEMENT PLDE BY SS-STAMDARTENFUEHRER AND OBERST DER POLIZEI'OTTO BOVENSIEPEN REGARDING'THE USES AND TEE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE IDS OF DEPA2TaNTS AND IMPORTANT INFERIOR PERSONNEL EMPLOYED IN THE SD IN THE PROVINCES UNTIL MAY 5, 1545.

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Head: Obersturmfuehrer oder Hauptsturmfuehrer . HOEFT aged 36,

•abt, 178 ame, slender, black hair. .otro-

Headt S5-6turdbandfuehrer„ Kriminal -rat HOME, aged abt.• - abt.168 ems, square;built, blonde, wore

sp teal S.

.• -7,-Kommiseaer MEP aged abt.:.341., abt.:174 ana,• .ordinary buIth,• black hair,.

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Headt . SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer -.4 OLD aged abt.34., abt. 1.82 cps,slendeP, but strongly built, dark-blonde.wavy..'hair, wore toles, arnold replacedt

Hauptsturmfuehrer LONNECEER, aged abt. 33). abt. 175 ems,.slender, black hair. Loenneoker was killedunder the attack on the GestaPo-building in

- Larhuo.totiviJa,

Headt SS-Ilenptsturmfuehrer RENNER, aged abt. , 36„ , abt. 178 ems,slender, dark-blonde, disposition to baldness.Renner repieceds

SS-Sturmbannfuehrer and OberkriminalratvSCHWIETZGEBEL„aged abt. 441 abt.175 ems, slender, black hair,Wore speotaeles. Schmdetzgebel was killedunder the attack on the Gestapo-;building,in'Aarhus.

SS-Untersturmfuehrer, Kriminalobersekretaer JOHANSEN,aged abt. 53, abt. 172 cms, ordinary build,grey-haired:

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. Akert.-SS-Hauptsturieuehrer, Regierungsrat BLUMBERG, aged abt. 36,

abt,180 ems, slender, blonde hair, worespectacles.

SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, Kriminalrat BURFEIND aged abt. 36,abt. 172 cms, square-built, light-blonde,wavy hair.

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SS-Unterstumfuehrer KOEHLERT, aged abt. 37, abt, 170 ems,

corpidentp.darkrblonde hair,

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of Gestapo in Koiding. , Does not remember the name.

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Lbt.III. HeadiSSitUntersturbfirehrer SONNLEIN, aged abt. 34, abt.175 oims,- • cor2uIent, black-haired; wore ,spectacles.

Head: S&-Untersturmfuebunr, Kriminalsekretaer D01LS J. aged abt...34.abt. 178 emsvordinary build, powerful, dark-haired, rather bald-headed.

BORNHOLM RONNE -

Abt.IV: Heads Untersturmfuehrer, Kriminalsekretaer SCHULTZ, aged 36,alai. 178 ems, slehdere rederblonde. •

GREThi. Under abt. IV 3 c — heads Recderungsrat HALMthe so-called "Grenzkommissariats" had been established inCopenhagen, Elsinore end Vordingbpr17,. •

ELSINORE: Head:SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, Kriminalkomm i asar JOHN a ged abt. 50,abt. 170 ams, dark-exeY hair, somewhat bald.-

"COPEITHLGEN:Beads SS-Haupteturraftiehrer, KrimirmOibrimisaarKOVTER,agedabt.34.

• zbt. 176 &ps i slender, dark-blonde.

VORDINCBORG:Headt •SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer, ladminalkemmissar STOCK aged abt.36,

abt: 178 ems, ordinary build, blonde.

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