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Silent Electric Flyers of San Diego Peak Charge Silent Electric Flyers of San Diego Peak Charge 1 January 2005 Volume XV, Issue 1 3rd Sunday 9:00 AM January 16 Aerospace Museum Balboa Park 4th Tuesday 7:00 PM,January 25 Saturday following Meeting 9:00 AM January 29 2nd Saturday 11:00 AM January 8 16

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Silent Electric Flyers of San Diego Peak Charge Silent Electric Flyers of San Diego Peak Charge

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Volume XV, Issue 1

3rd Sunday

9:00 AM

January 16

Aerospace Museum

Balboa Park

4th Tuesday

7:00 PM,January 25

Saturday

following Meeting

9:00 AM

January 29

2nd Saturday

11:00 AM

January 8

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The President’s MessageBy Steven Manginelli

Happy new flying year! I’d like towelcome you back from yourHoliday excursions and take anopportunity to introduce myselfhere in my first President’s

message (in a long time). It’s not well known, but Iwas the first SEFSD president, with a plaque on thewall of my shop reminding me it was for ’91through ’94; hence my appointment as 2005 Presi-dent is in defiance of any term limits. I then servedas Editor for a year after that, turning out a grosslyinferior product to that produced here by Mr. Fee,who has very graciously accepted another term asEditor: Thank you so much, Bill! However, I mustadmit, I had better contributions to Peak Charge! Afair number of Steve Neu’s experiments ended uphere vs Quiet Flyer. Steve Belknap wrote a monthlycolumn about field follies called “The Bent Shaft”before he became 100% consumed with DiversityModel Aircraft, plus I got steady contest reports,president’s messages, etc. If only we had these sortsof contributions combined with Bill Fee’s editorialprowess, we would have one awesome paper! Soplease contribute! A story about a new plane, oldplane, field event, observation, technical innovation,how to do it are all welcome. Digital photos aresuitable and are a great addition to the story. Oneperson’s “I’ve been doing it that way for years” issomeone else’s “wow, wish I’d thought of that.”

I would like to publicly thank outgoing PresidentDavid Pitcairn for his fine stewardship over the lasttwo years, and Mike Blott for filling in for Dave asneeded. The job Dave did leaves me a tough legacyto carry on; hope I still remember how to do it right!I’d also be remiss in not recognizing the other boardmembers for thier past support and who have gra-ciously acceded to stay on for another term. MikeNeale will continue to count our nickels as Trea-surer; thanks, Mike. Chuck Grim will continue tolive large as “at large” board member. What Chuckhasn’t done for the club is easier to describe thanwhat he has; everything from dragging the field totirelessly attending San Diego Association of Model

Club meetings as our representative; thanks, Chuck!Steve Neu will continue to thwart unsafe behavior asSafety Officer; thanks, Steve. David Fee will con-tinue to perform secretary chores, recording themeetings’ goings on; thanks, David! With any luck,Stelio Jackson will continue to be ourWEBMASTER, Uranna Greene our Video Librarianand Pedro Brantuas our Lead Flight Instructor.Thanks in advance to those folks (hopefully).

I next want to welcome new VP Doug Rubin andnew Membership Chairman Sylvia Fee. Doug’smission is the organization of meeting programs andsocial events, reprising the role he has already donewell at recent club events like the Christmas Party.Looking forward to a great year, Doug! Speaking ofChristmas, I’d like to recognize Duffy Cannello fordoing a fine job of the Christmas party raffle; therewere a ton of prizes there! Sylvia’s thankless task isto ensure the membership roster is kept current andeveryone gets their laminated frequency Pin IDs;many thanks to you, Sylvia.

Our primary focus of the next two months is the MidWinter Electrics, to be held February 18th through21st at our field. The Administrative committeeunder Dave Pitcairn’s leadership is doing an admi-rable job. This is our pemiere flying event of theyear, requiring a slew of volunteers under TimAttaway’s CDship to make it successful and main-tain our club’s reputation. If you haven’t volunteeredyet, we still need you! Please get with me, DavePitcairn, Lou Rossé, or any of the other BoardMembers to volunteer. We will continue to doElectroglide monthly following the Monthly meet-ing, the first launch of the new year to be January29th. There is a good possibility we will be selectinga Team for the 2006 F-5B World Championshipstoward the end of the Summer. Just the workups forthe F-5B Team Selection Contest is exciting. Youdon’t have to be able to compete at the World Cham-pionship level in order to participate. A (7) or (10)cell Hotliner type glider is adequate and you willdefinitely sharpen your skills. The go fast and turn

Mission Statement

The objective of the Silent Electric Flyers of San Diego isto promote and further the technology of electric powered R/Caeromodeling; encourage competition in Electric Soaring, PylonRacing, FAI-F5B/D, Scale, Old Timer, and Pattern Electriccategories by hosting major Industry-sponsored events andsanctioning “Fun-Fly” types of contests; provide forums for theexchange of technical information, instruction and experience;and participate in demonstrations of electric propulsion in area-wide model aviation events.

Zip Code 92109

Flying Field GPS Coordinates

Latitude 32.7625480 Longitude 1721415

Board of Directors2005 Officers

President619-298-7592

Vice President619-925-5357

Treasurer858-674-1378

At Large858-274-7322

Safety619-284-0816

At Large619-479-1321

At Large619-427-6392

Chairman of theBoard619-865-5929

Steven [email protected]

Doug [email protected]

Michael Neale [email protected]

Chuck [email protected]

Steve Neu [email protected]

Ray [email protected]

Tim [email protected]

David [email protected]

web site: http://sefsd.org/

Field

Aerospace MuseumMonthly Meeting site

AMA Charter Club 3078

SEFSD’s tarmacand runwayas seen from above

Editor’s Note:Sorry; I have somehow misplaced the name of the photog-

rapher who took this excellent arial shot of home base.

Secretary760-583-1926

Membership760-967-7259

Editor760-967-7259

Video/DVD/Librarian858-232-9740

Raffle858-274-8976

Flight Insructor858-272-6882

David [email protected]

Sylvia [email protected]

Bill [email protected]

Uranna [email protected]

Duffy [email protected]

Pedro [email protected]

Committees

Cover PictureStelio Jackson’s GWS-E Starter

taking off from San Diego harbor

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If we could shrink theearth’s population to a village ofprecisely 100 people, with all theexisting human ratios remainingthe same, it would look some-thing like the following. Therewould be: 57 Asians, 21 Europe-ans, 14 from the Western Hemi-sphere, both north and south, and8 Africans. 52 would be female48 would be male. 70 would benon-white, 30 would be white70 would be non-Christian, 30would be Christian. 89 would beheterosexual, 11 would be homo-sexual, 6 people would possess59% of the entire world’s wealth.80 would live in substandardhousing, 70 would be unable toread, 50 would suffer frommalnutrition, 1 would be near

This is an interesting study on the earth’s population. It does put me in the minority. What about

you?....Pedro Brantuas

A PERSPECTIVE.......WORTH PONDERING !!!

death, 1 would be near birth. 1(yes, only 1) would have a collegeeducation. 1 would own a com-puter. When one considers ourworld from such a compressedperspective, the need for accep-tance, understanding and educa-tion becomes glaringly apparent.The following is also somethingto ponder...if you woke up thismorning with more health thanillness...you are more blessed thanthe million who will not survivethis week. If you have neverexperienced the danger of battle,the loneliness of imprisonment,the agony of torture, or the pangsof starvation, you are ahead of500 million people in the world. Ifyou can attend a church meetingwithout fear of harassment, arrest,

torture, or death..you aremore blessed than threebillion people in theworld. If you have food in

the refrigerator, clothes on yourback, a roof overhead and a placeto sleep, you are richer than 75%of this world. If you have moneyin the bank, in your wallet, andspare change in a dish someplace,you are among the top 8% of theworld’s wealthy. If your parentsare still alive and still married ...you are very rare If you can readthis message, you just received adouble blessing in that someonewas thinking of you, and further-more, you are more blessed thanover two billion people in theworld that cannot read at all.Someone once said: What goesaround comes around. Work likeyou don’t need the money. Lovelike you’ve never been hurt.Dance like no one’s watching.Sing like no one’s listening. Livelike it’s Heaven on Earth. Passthis on; brighten someone’s day.

Some of the numbers are suspect: but the bottom line isTRUE. We are very fortunate to be where we are in this time,with a representative form of government, with built-in checks

and balances. Bill FeeEditor

Pandi’s hand holding Sureflite’s Aurora

Neu motor

in Chuck’s Banchee

The motor is from Steve Neu’s new companyNeuMotors. The motor is a

1506/3D-F with a 6.7:1 NeuMotors gearbox.

E d i t o r ’ s Note: Notice the family resembance in the aircraft below.

DeHavilland and Hughes air- craft had one thing in common. They both believedthat an aircraft use- ful for military purposes could be made of wood.The mosquito was an outstanding success in several modesand theatres of operation. The Spruce Goose never quitemade it; but both aircraft left their mark in aviation his-tory,

The allied planes all had one thing incommon: Rolls Royce engines. The Merlinpowered many of the allied WWII aircraft. Althoughthe engine survived well into the post- war years, woodconstruction just faded away.

The internal combustion engineis reaching the end of the road.Could there be electric aircraftengines in our future?

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Minutes from the November Meetingby David Fee

left (get dizzy) crowd will be wanting to get theirlicks in. We tentatively have pylon racing scheduledfor the 2nd Saturday of the month. We’re alsolooking at having a Pattern Contest/Clinic thissummer. A number of us practice the the variousAMA and IMAC aerobatic sequences; hopefully wewill all get to fly in front of some judges to see howwe stack up. This is another marvelous way tosharpen your flying skills. We will certainly repriseJet Day at the Bay at least once this year where weinvite all the Socal Electric Ducted Fan afficionadosout for a “flung what you brung” type fun fly. Any-thing I left out? I guess then, we’ll see you all at theJanuary Club Meeting!

Friday. Saturday, SundayFebruary 18, 19 and 20

The Christmas Party

Editor’s RamblingsBy Bill FeeBy land, sea and air, “electrophiles”* are coming to the Mid Winter Electrics to experience the ultimate inRC electric model aviation technology and performance. And there is sailing, fishing, Sea World and the GasLamp District nearby. Where the action is … on Mission Bay, February 18. 19 and 20.*electrophile (electrophilic)An electrophile (or electrophilic reagent) is a reagent that forms a bond to its reaction partner (thenucleophile) by accepting both bonding electrons from that reaction partner. An ‘electrophilic substitutionreaction’ is a heterolytic reaction in which the reagent supplying the entering group acts as an electrophile.For example: Electrophilic reagents are Lewis acids. ‘Electrophilic catalysis’ is catalysis by Lewis acids.The term ‘electrophilic’ is also used to designate the apparent polar character of certain radicals, as inferredfrom their higher relative reactivities with reaction sites of higher electron density. See also electrophilicity.1994, 66, 1111 IUPAC Compendium of Chemical Terminology 2nd Edition (1997)

C6H6 + NO2

+ C6H5NO2 + H+

electrophile electrofuge

Introduction-David Pitcairn called theNovember meeting to order on11/23/04 at 7:12PM. Therewas a new member inattendance, Craig, who hasflown ¼ scale power models,is a member of the TorreyPines Gulls, and is now flyingelectric models.

Old Business-Chuck Grim reported that someone had done“donuts” on the runway, adding that he and othershad worked to smooth the surface again. Moretelephone poles may need to be brought in to furtherdiscourage such wayward drivers. Gate closurecontinues to be a problem. Please, if you open thegate, close it. If you find it open, close it. If youobserve someone leaving it open, please bring thesigns to their attention and ask that they close thegate in the future.

Lou Rossé reported that the club rules, which areposted on the frequency board, are old and need tobe replaced.

No other field issues were discussed at the meeting.

New Business-Bill Everitt has resigned as raffle coordinator for themonthly meetings. Duffy volunteered to take overfor the next five months, but he will be leaving thearea at the end of that time.

David Pitcairn thanked the membership for goodtimes and support and is looking forward to thefuture. Urana thanked Dave for his faithful serviceto the club.

Elections:Steve Manganelli accepted a nomination to theoffice of President.

Doug Rubin accepted a nomination to the office ofVice President.Mike Neale accepted a nomination to the office ofTreasurer.

The floor was closed to nominations and the votingwas conducted by paper ballot, including mail-inballots.

Steve Manganelli was elected President.Doug Rubin was elected Vice President.Mike Neale was elected Treasurer.David Fee was elected Secretary.Steve Neu was elected Safety Officer.Tim Attaway was elected Board of Directors At-Large Member.Ray Faulks elected Board of Directors At-LargeMember.Chuck Grim elected Board of Directors At-LargeMember.

Club Competitions and Events-

The 2005 Mid Winter Electrics (MWE) is comingFebruary 18th – 20th. Volunteers are always neededfor registration and impound duties, so make sure tosign up at the field or at the meetings.

Membership-Membership applications for 2005 are available.Sylvia Fee will be the new membership coordinator.She may be reached by e-mail at [email protected] dues are $35 per year and include asubscription to Peak Charge and full use of the clubflying field seven days a week. Such a deal!!

Safety, Safety, Safety…There was no safety announcement at the meeting.Please remember to review and be familiar with theField Rules which are posted at the field. Becourteous and safe at all times.

Show & Tell-

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HELP WANTED - SEFSD TRANSMITTER IMPOUNDMWE 2005

TIM ATTAWAY, CDFrank Gagliardi, Impound Director

, FEBRUARY 18,19 an 20

Two hour shifts from 7:30 am to 4 pm.(First shift 7:30-10:00)

Transmitters will be stored in a sheltered area on tables.AMA cards or their equivalent - will be used to handle frequency control.

No experience or club membership required.We give on the job training.

REWARD

ONE RAFFLE TICKET PER HALF HOUR WORKEDMeet interesting people while supporting your club.

Hello all members! I would first like to thank themembers for voting for me and giving me the oppor-tunity to serve as V.P. I am looking forward toworking with my new fellow officers and boardmembers, and to receiving input from the member-ship. It is going to be a great year for SEFSD! I havenew and fresh ideas to share with the club. I hopeyou come to the meetings this year. All club mem-bers should get involved. Help out this year in theMWE event. It is our big show, so let’s put on agood one!

Safety is our #1 priority! Everyone in the club isheld to our club FOSRs, and anybody can approach afellow member on safety issues. Please use tact,though. I will expect ALL the officers and boardmembers to step up and take necessary action if asafety issue comes up. As club members, we are allsafety members. If you see something not safe,please do something about it!

Vice PresidentDoug Rubin

I would like to hear all your ideas on how to improvethe club. Let’s maintain what we have and improveon it. I would like to get your input on the clubactivities such as F5B, Pylon racing, funflys andother events. I hope to have a few fun events eachmonth! As for guest speakers for the meetings, Ialso need your help.Who might be a good speaker?What program material do you think would beinteresting and informative?

Next meeting I have a little treat for you. There is agreat new show on TV called Inside R/C. I will havea short video to show. Also, we will be talking aboutthe MWE, the year’s events, plus much more!I hope you can make it!

If you have not signed up for the Yahoo emailnewsgroup, please do so; the link is on our websiteat http://www.sefsd.org. You can find out lots ofgood things and last minute changes.

When you get to the field, place the folder with the signup sheets near the pin board. Atthe end of your stay, take the folder with you. Whenever it is convenient, give me an updateby phone, fax, email, or when we are at the field.

SUPPLIES:We will provide:

Signup sheets in a folderPenNote pad

You will need to bring something to hold the folder. (Table, TV tray or chair, etc.)

Please contact: Lou Rossé (Rossay)email [email protected] 619-442-2112 Fax 619-442-6866 Hollywood blockbuster “The Aviator” and its special effects using model aircraft will be the subject of

an AMA seminar from 10-11AM, January 8th, at room 103 at the Ontario convention center.

AMA Membership Update (Added 12/08/2004)

The mailing of 2005 license cards began during mid-November. Over 80,000 cards have been printed for membershipsreceived by November 15th. If you have not yet renewed your membership, please call customer service at 1-800-435-9262 to renew using MasterCard or VISA.

AMA Headquarters closed

Due to in climate weather the AMA HQ has been closed. Weather permitting we will resume regular business hourstomorrow. PC Editor’s note: don’t they have an editor who would catch “in climate” instead of “inclement”?

Member Questionaire - from AMA1. What do you expect from the club?2. What does the club offer or do that you like?3. What, specifically, do you dislike?4. How many meetings did you attend last year?5. Concerning our meetings, what should we do to improvemembership attendance?6. What specific items should be addressed at our meetings?7. Would you be willing to present a program at one of ourmeetings?

8. Concerning our field operations,is there anything you would like to see changed?9. Should our fun flies and contests be members only?10. If we formed committees to accomplish specific tasks,would you be willing to serve on such a committee?13. How many times did you use or fly at our field last year?14. What changes would you make to our club rules, regula-tions, or by-laws?15. What concerns do you have concerning our budget (how wespend your money)?

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Most of us have a daily routine, whether it bethe workweek, or plans for the weekend like goingto the field, or to a place of worship on Sunday.Many have a commitment to a sports schedule,whether it be the kids in little league or college andprofessional activities on the radio or the tube (formany it isn’t a tube anymore). Even in retirementmost of us try to maintain a schedule

But things don’t always go according to plan,like a call from a relative, or an old friend. Thethings you had planned are postponed, or they go outthe window.

So it is with club activities. If a task is impor-tant, someone will always step forward and take careof it. Like the Mid Winter Electric: a formidabletask to administrate and carry out successfully. Haveyou offered to help in any way? You say that youhave no experience. Think about it. There is a firsttime for everything, every experience in life, andthere is always (hopefully) someone there to help,starting with Mother.

The greatest satisfaction one receives fromgetting involved is knowing that you are getting ajob done, that your efforts will be of benefit toothers. More often than not there is no recognition,

Perspectiveby Bill Fee

but you will hear about it if you drop the ball. Anddon’t expect others to appreciate what sacrifices youmake and what problems you have to overcome toget the job done. You are the grease for what other-wise would be a squeaky wheel.

On the other hand, don’t volunteer for a job thatyou are mentally or physically unqualified to per-form, or for which you honestly don’t have the timeto handle. By the time you and the organizationcome to realize that your operation is falling throughthe cracks … major problem.

When Wayne Walker decided that it was time tostep aside two years ago, SEFSD struggled to findwilling and able fresh leadership. Bill Knoll gave ita shot and gave up in frustration. David Pitcairnstepped forward and more than adequately filled thevoid. In 2005 Steve Manganelli has returned to thePresidency for one more time. His job will flowsmoothly if you step forward and offer to help inwhatever capacity you can serve. You don’t have todo it all. Be on the team.

The Aviator - and H-11

In chemistry, an electrophile (literally electron-lover) is a reagent attracted to electrons that participates in achemical reaction by accepting an electron pair in order to bond to a substance. Because electrophiles acceptelectrons, they are Lewis acids (see acid-base reaction theories). Most electrophiles are positively charged.One important type of electrophiles are carbocations, important in many organic chemistry reactions.

Stelio Jackson brought a GWS E-Starter on floats,including a water rudder. It was powered with aSpeed 400 geared 3:1 with a 10x6 prop. It uses a 3cell Kokam 1500 Li-Poly pack and has an all-upweight of ~23 ounces. The plane cost $38, the floatswere $10 and the hard-points and hardware for thefloats are all included in the kit. With this setup itcan fly for 8-15 minutes.

Chuck Grim brought his new Banchee aerobaticmodel. It has a wingspan of 54 inches, is 53 incheslong and has 710 square inches of wing area. At aflying weight of 3.7 pounds, the Neumotors 15092.5∆ provides more than enough power. It uses a6.7:1 planetary gearbox and swings a 17x10 APC E-

series prop. He uses an Aveox SL48 controller, FMAQuantum 6 receiver and Futaba 3102 micro servos.

Wayne Walker brought a Pelican F5B which wasbuilt by the Australian team for the 2000 E-WorldChamps in San Diego. He has it set up for 7-cellF5B.

Wayne also brought a Projeti aerobatic wing with aMega 1615 motor and a 3-cell 2000mAh Kokampack.

The meeting was adjourned at approximately8:00PM.

As an electric RC enthusiast you react withothers, and the experience may well beelectrifying. I hope the analogy doesn’t“switch” you off.

PS: David is the chemist in our family, butI thought the word “electrophile” was agood fit.

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400 class

Pedro Brantuas 83 54 68 - 205 Lil Bird IIRuss Parks 54 64 57 - 175 Last Down IIDave Kemper 73 77 1 - 151 Pulsar 2000MEric Bean 43 37 46 - 129 Poly SergioEverett Williams 24 23 41 - 88 PinnacleDuffy Cannello 32 50 0 - 82 MabedDick Kantner 28 17 35 - 80 Easy Star DusterFred Daugherty 37 26 17 - 80 AscentBob Anson 0 34 34 - 76 KoleosRoger Pedersen 41 31 0 - 72 Pulsar 2000

For those of you interested in the high performance models,Dave Kemper is a distributor for most of them and he canbe reached at [email protected] or at 760-918-6845. For high performance motor systems andbatteries, Steve Belknap can be reached at www.flydma.comor at 858-693-8188.

Beautiful weather, medium lift and a great turn out. Both of these events are getting very popular and the scores arestarting to tighten up rather nicely. Dave Kemper was flying a brand new pulsar and nailed the first two landings. Thingswere looking promising for Dave until the last toss…where did all his electrons go???? (Grin) Russ flew very consistentheats throughout the event. Dick was flying a foam glider and did a great job on his first and last landings. Roger hada radio problem and lost control of his plane on the last heat.

Open: congratulations to Eric for taking the gold. Dave had the longest flights in all three heats, but somehow managedto land off field on the second heat. We all know what that feels like.

Happy holidays to everyone,Pedro

Open class

Eric Bean 59 58 51 - 168 Pulsar 2000MPedro Brantuas 52 55 58 - 165 Lil Bird IIDave Kemper 72 0 92 - 164Russ Parks 60 30 48 - 138 ApexOran Bloodsworth 60 16 20 - 96 Silent Dream

San Diego Electroglide

By Pedro Brantuas

Book TitleElectric Motor HandbookEntering ElectricsFoam WingsThe Quiet RevolutionRC Airplane Finishing & DetailingRCAirplane Building TechniquesRC Airplane Workshop SecretsAlso Available: Some back issues of S&EModeler Magazine

Video Title1994 KRC Electric Fly1996 KRC Electric Fly1997 KRC Electric Fly1996 London Bridge Seaplane Classic1996 NATS Highlights2000 San Diego Midwinter ElectricsAdvanced Kit ConversionsAirborne R/C Video (Fred Harris)Airplane ( Joe Wurts )Airforce Top GunA Celebration of Eagles

SEFSD Book, Video and DVD ListBasic Construction for BeginnersBuilding with FoamByron Originals show season 1985Desert Storm/ TornadoDouble EagleElectric Jet FactoryElectric Flight ( Building & Flying )Electric Flight & Schneider CupElectrifying the FANTASY (Vol. III)F-16 FalconFloat Flying – John SullivanGas to Electric ConversionsLearn How to Build a Power AirplaneLet’s Get Serious About Electric FlightMini-Max Power GlidersMonokote IMonokote ANeat 2001+Power for Performance Electric FlightSchneider Sport ElectricT-Birds

U.S. Air Core Basic Building TipsVacuum Bagging tipsWarbirds over SchenectadyWring it Out ( Vol. 1 )Wring it Out ( Vol. 2 )Mid-Winter Electrics 2002Mid-America Electric Fly In, July 2001Six Minutes of Pure FunNEAT Fair 2002Triad E FlyJoe Nall 2002Diablotin, Ferat-MOREHacker Brushless Motors

DVD TitlePro Aero TowSecrets of ThermalsEndless Lift IIIJust Want to FlyAirshow 2 (2001 MWE)Composite Molding and Vacuum BaggingConstruction Techniques

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Pomona/Prado District 7 AMA Pattern ChampionshipNovember 20th

by Chuck GrimFour SEFSD members attended the Pomona/

Prado District 7 AMA Pattern Championship No-vember 20th. The contest was at the very nice field ofthe Pomona Valley Model Airplane Club. Our fourmembers were Pedro Brantuas, Bruce Brown, SteveManganelli and Steve Neu.

This contest was a standard AMA gas poweredevent and our members competed with electricplanes. There were also two other electric powered

planes in the contest. The electric planes were verycompetitive with the gas airplanes; in fact, the topclass, FAI F3A, was won by Tony Frackowiak flyingan electric powered airplane. We have come a longway, haven’t we.

The contest was supposed to be a two day affairbut the second day was canceled due to wet andwindy weather.

The scores for SEFSD pilots were as follows:

Advanced Class: Bruce Brown, 6th place.Sportsman Class: Steve Neu, 3rd place,Pedro Brantuas, 4th placeand Steve Manganelli, 6th place.

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