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1 her vagina. 222 Q. Okar.' And did she use the word ·vagina?3 A. Wel ,no. She used her privates, and she4 showed me where. _5 Q. Okay. How 100000didthat take for her to6 tell you that?7 A. ~e from 45 minutes to an hour. 'I8 Q. Okay. =- ~9 A. Because she kept looking like she was in1( trouble, and I had to reassure her that she was not in11 trouble, M she needed to tell me what was going on.1 Q. Had there been any trouble out In ilie1, backyard before she came to you?I! A.~.

11,.;\ Q. Why would she think she was in trouble?Ie A. Because she •• after we had talked, I askedI, her why she didn't tell someooe, and she said that shef thoughi she was going to be in trouble for this goingI on.~ Q. Okay. And was there anybocty with you ~!1 when you were talking?~ A.~.J Q. (lay. But it ~ 45 miJlttes to an hIu.~ So what did you • at that _ ' ..l A. Called her IIXIther and ItaIlred to her

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mother and her dad. 23Q. Okay. And where did you reach her mom

at .. home? cell phone? work?A. It was on the cell phone, oot she was at

home.Q. Okay. And you were able to talk to Abe

that same day, that same time?A. Danielle put me on speaker phone because I

told her that Ineeded to talk to them. It wasimportant.

Q. And what did you tell them?A. I told them what Shyane told me.Q. And VOl! said that he .. she told you that

he put his fingers In her vagina, right?A. Yes.Q. Okay. Then what happened?A. Urn, 10001 know where Abe went or what

happened on that end, IxJt he ended up coming to thehouse to talk to Shyane.

Q. ..Qkay_1tlw mil ..how mIlch time hadafter yoor iiJone call before lie came over? \_.

A. Maybe thirty minutes. !Q. Werej'OU Jl.esent <bing the C0ll'/ffia

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t Q. And tell me about that conversation. 242 A. He asked her what went on you know, what3 was going on. She told him. And he told her, You4 understand that this is something really bad that you're5 saying, so you need to make sure that you're telling the6 whole truth, because we don't want to leave any part of7 it out because this can put 2ane in a lot of trouble.8 And she said she knew It, and she told him again. And

1'9 he said okay.

Il Q, Now, how had the relationship between Abe11 and Shyane been prior to that?1 A. They play, I mean, their relationship is13 all right I mean.J; Q. That's not his biological daughter?t A. No.t Q. Okay, And is there·· and Iknow het doesn't want to be or try to be, but is there anylt~ problem with the fact that her father is black?

A. No.1 Q. Okay. And have you ever heard him call herp names or yell at her?~ A. I mean, not really yell at her, but talkl stem to her when she's getting 10 trouble, but othert than that, no. He's never called her names that Iknow, of,

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Q. Wouldyou say that she's closer to hermother?

A. Well, yeah.Q. Was she closer to you or her father? Not

her father, her ste~father.A. Well, 'would like to say she's closer to

me, because I've been with her all her life, you know,but Ireally can't tell you because Idon't knowwho shewould .. you know, Imean, she loves him. She loves me.She loves Danielle. She loves her daddy, her father,Ramon.

Q. Didyou ever talk to her father, Ramon,about this?

A. He come over .. well, he called and then hecome over to get Shyane to take her to ChuckE. Cheeseand out to eat, but as far as sitting down talki./lgtohim'about it, no.

Q. Did you call him?A. No.Q. How long did Abe and Shyane speak before

the conversation was over? I mean, how long did they" actually talk?

A. Thirty, forty·five minutes.Q. Okay. And what was his demeanor and what

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1 A. He was just silting there talking to her,262 you know, calm. .3 Q. Okay.4 A. Her demeanor? Urn, nervous.5 Q. Okay. After they talked, then what6 happened?7 A. Abe left and Shyane stayed with me.8 Q. Why did she stay with you instead of going9 home?11 A. Because they were going to call the police.11 Q. Okay. Did the police ever come to your1 house to talk to you?1 A. No .. l' Q. Did the police ever call you to the housel' to talk to Shyane?11 A. No, no. The child people come to the house!~to talk to Shyane and me.1/ Q. Okay. And where were you located when you1( spoke to the Child Protection Team investigator?2C A. Outside my house.I~.1 Q. And was it beilll! recorded or was she takingIu notes while she spoke to you?23 A. She was takmg notes.~~ Q. How !ongwould you say you had with her?2 A. Aboot an hour.

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1 . Q. Okay. Now, did Shyane ever tell you that 272 she had different things put inside of her?3 A. No.4 Q. What did she say was put inside of her?5 A. His fingers.6 Q. She never said, like, other things?7 A. No.B Q. Did she ever tell you that he had made any9 threats to her?1 A. No. She hadn't said that to me.11 Q. Okay. Did she tell you about any1 incidences? Did she say this is hOw it happened?13 A. She did not tell me, you know, specific1 times that it happened. She just said that It happened.1 Q. She just said he put his fingers in me, but1 she didn't ~ve you, like, a scenario or specific1 instance?1 A. Well, she told me that when Zane was at the1 house l Danielle went to the store, and he stayed there2 with tne kids. And he made Jaron ~ in to the bedroom,21 and he made Shyane stay in the Iivmg room. And that's2 when it happened.2 Q. Did she say anything that he said to her?2 A. Not that Ican remember.2 1J5. CASHWlli: let me just check one last

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thing. If you have any follow-up that you want 28to get in to, you can.

BY HR. GORtlON:

Q. When you sat down with Shyane to discusswhat was serious, what was Shyane's demeanor like whenyou were talking to her?

A. She was nervous, but she acted like shethought she was in trouble.

Q. Did she speak in a loud voice or a softvoice?

A. No. It was a very soft voice. I had tokeep telling her to speak up.

Q. Has Shyane ever made accusations of abusebefore?

A. No.Q. Had she ever acted like this around you

before?A. No.

MS. CASHWElL: You know what I'm notfinding, I'm not finding any notes regarding anyconversations between the worker and the witness,

Z MR. GORDON: You mean any OCF reports?Z MS. CASHWELL: Yep, I got it. ~t as I1 said it, bam. I'm sorry. You can go ahead.

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4 Q. Didyou ever ask Shyane what she had been5 touched with? ,- .6 ""'/ A I'm not sure ~i' •7 Q. Okay. Did you ever ask Shyane questions8 about how many times ..9 A. No.1 Q." that it allegedly occurred or when?11 A. Um, I don't remember.1 Q. Did you ever ask her any questions about,13 you know, where her mom was at the time, that kind of1 stuff?1 A. No. She had just told me that it had1 happened when Danielle went to the store. She didn't1 teU me how many times or when.1 Q. Did she ever say it happened more than1 once?2 A. Not that I can remember.21 Q. Okay. Did she at any time during the

conversation with you cry?A. Yes.Q. Okay. Did she at any time during the

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A. I don't know. 30Q. Okay. Did she at any time with her father

113 cry?4. A. Yes.5 Q. So your daughter .. it sounds like your6 daui!hter, Courtney, she spoke to you. Did you ever talk7 to Courtney and see what she had said?8 A. Yes.9 Q. And what did Courtney teU you?H A. Courtney had said that Shyane had told her)) at the convenience store that she had a secret she ~.11 needed to teU her. After we sot home and they were1 playing in the backyard for a little bit, Shvane come up1~ to her and said that someone had touChed her. And1 Courtney said, Stop, you need to talk to Nanna. And she1 brought her straight to me.1 lIS. CASHWELL: AUright. No further1< questions.11 MR. GORDON: Nothing further.21 (The deposition was concluded atI~ 2:56p.m.)

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CERTIFICATE OF OATH

I$TATE or FLORIDAIfCOUKTY or ESCAMBIAI

I, linda D. Miller, Rorida ProfessionalReJlO!!.e!I..NotaryPublic, State of Florida, certifythat ItIOOE WEBB personally appeared before me on the8th day of December, 2010 and was duly sworn.

WIlNESSmy hand and official seal this 13th dayof December, 2010.

Lr.DA D. "ILLER, FLORIDA PROFESSIONAL .[PORTER_OYAAY 'UBLIC, STATE OF FLORIDA

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