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Page 2SABR37, July 27, 2007 Alan M. Nathan Is the gyroball a miracle pitch?
Why all the Hype about the Gyroball?
Daisuke Matsuzaka:Does he or doesn’t he?
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Secret of the Demon Pitch by Kazushi Tezuka and Ryutaro Himeno
Tezuka: pitching coach who “invented” the pitch. He also has an instructional DV
Himeno: computer scientist who discovered its properties with elaborate simulations
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“It's quickly becoming the Bigfoot of baseball, an urban legend born in a Japanese lab and racing across the Internet. They call it the "gyroball"—the exact translation is probably closer to "Demon Sphere Gyro Ball"—and it's either the first new pitch in nearly four decades, or a complete and total sham.”—Popular Mechanics, 11/06
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Seattle PI
10/18/06
Are these claims scientifically sound?
Does anyone throw it?
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The trajectory of a pitched baseball in flight is governed by the gravitational force and the Magnus force on a spinning baseball.
Gravity makes the ball drop by 3-4 ft, depending on speed
The Magnus force deflects the ball by an amount that depends on the spin (rpm), the speed, and the orientation of the spin axis.
The Science of a Baseball Trajectory
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The spin axis is the line connecting the south to north pole (“right-hand rule”)
The Science of a Baseball Trajectory
spin axis
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Magnus force causes ball to break in direction that front edge of the ball is turning
spin axis
deflection
rotation
Example: straight overhand fastball as viewed by batter—upward break opposing gravity
The Science of a Baseball Trajectory
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More examples, as seen by batter
spin axis
“12-6” overhand CB:
downward break
overhand FB:upward break
spin axis
deflection
deflection
spin axis
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Sidearm curveball by RPH
breaks away from RHB
More examples, as seen by batter
3/4 fastball by RHP
breaks up and in to RHB
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More examples, as seen by batterNote that spin axis is tilted a bit forward.
slider by RHP
breaks down and away to RHB
cut fastball by RHP
breaks up and away to RHB
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90-95 mph
85-90 mph
80-85 mph
75-80 mph
Break (excluding gravity) of Matsuzaka’s Pitches
(as seen by batter)--thanks to MLB Gameday
horizontal break (inches)
vertical break
(inches)
¾ FB
CB/SLD
Cut FB
SFFB?
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Magnus force also depends on angle between spin axis and direction of motion.
Largest when angle is close to 90o:
Zero when angle is 0o: the gyroball
side view
“normal” pitch with sidespin
Angle=90o
Maximum force
gyroball
Angle=0o
Force=0
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Courtesy, Ryutaro Himeno
For pure gyroball, only force is gravity.
• no sideways break
• drops ~15” more than FB
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An aside for physics geeks….
When spin axis of a spherical ball coincides with the direction of motion, there is complete symmetry about that direction. So, the ball has no way of “knowing” which way to break. Therefore, there can be no break.
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Is this all “theoretical”?
Proceedings of the Asia-Pacific Congress on Sports Technology,
Tokyo, 2005
Translation: Magnus force = 0 for gyroball…exactly as expected theoretically
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from The New York Times: they got it exactly right!
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Seattle PI
10/18/06
Pure nonsense!
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Page 19SABR37, July 27, 2007 Alan M. Nathan Is the gyroball a miracle pitch?
Some additional thoughts Gyroball thrown 85-90 mph drops more
than fastballSort of like a splitter, but even more drop
May look like slider to batter
Batter sees “red dot” and expects slider
red dot identifies slider
expects break to right
“backup slider”—in former days, a mistake
slider gyro
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Clip from Kazushi Tezuka’s Instructional DVD
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If spin axis tilted slightly upward, ball breaks a little sideways: “gyroball with side force”.
Variation #1
15o tilt gives ~4” break to side
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If spin axis tilted slightly toward 3B, ball breaks a little upward: “gyroball with lift force”
Variation #2
15o tilt gives ~4” break up
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90-95 mph
85-90 mph
80-85 mph
75-80 mph
Log of Matsuzaka’s Pitches(as seen by batter)
Daisuke Matsuzaka:Does he or doesn’t he?
several candidates
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“While (Ranger’s lefty reliever C. J. ) Wilson said he threw the pitch against both Alex Cora and Kevin Youkilis in the eighth inning of a May 26 game between the Sox and Rangers, neither batter could verify the claim.”
Manchester Union Leader, 6/30/07pfz vs pfx
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pfx
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all pitches
Cora or Youkilis
Nor can I
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Is the Gyroball a Miracle Pitch?
We have come full circleGyroball does not have crazy trajectory
people have claimedGyroball trajectory determined entirely by
gravityTherefore, it seems like a useless pitch
But….If batter is expecting a typical fastball…If batter misinterprets spin as a slider….
My personal view: gyroball is a useful but not a miracle pitch
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Page 26SABR37, July 27, 2007 Alan M. Nathan Is the gyroball a miracle pitch?
Thanks to …. R. Himeno for sharing his diagrams Dave Baldwin for teaching me about the craft
of pitching Will Carroll (BP) for some helpful
conversations Dan Fox (BP) for providing the Gameday pitch
logs for Matsuzaka The bloggers at SoSH for asking good
questionsWant to know more: • webusers.npl.uiuc.edu/~a-nathan/pob/gyro• [email protected]• Science and Baseball meeting, 4 PM today, DR43
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spis
spin axis