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THEQUEENSFERRY
CROSSING
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THIS TALK DEALS WITH ONLY
ONE ASPECT OF THE FRC
THE 1.5Bn COST
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Firsta wee bit history
4thApril 2000
Holyrood Building Debate
A presentation was arranged prior to the debate
ONLY SIXTEEN MSPs TURNED UP
15thJanuary 2009- Forth Replacement Crossing Debate
Scotlands biggest ever project.
ONLY SEVENTEEN MSPs TURNED UP
So before we start lets deal with the politicians
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SCOTLANDS RECENT
MAJOR PROJECTS RECORD
UK average motorway cost per
mile is 30m
M8 motorway missing link andother work to cost 415m
M8 was 70m per mile
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EDINBURGH TRAMS
Now over
1,000 millionThe TIE Directors who made a mess of this resigned
They were awarded severance payment totalling
406,635.
Originally 2003 cost was 375 million
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SKYE BRIDGEcost 25m
now 93m
BORDERS
RAILWAY
Was 155m now 295M
Edinburgh Infirmary
Cost 185mRepayment 1,000+
Stirling-Kincardine
Railway line-just finishedneeds to be rebui l t
Would you like to see some more
disasters for the taxpayer?
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Wendy AlexanderSarah Boyack Iain Gray Nicol Stephen
Tavish Scott Jack McConnell Stewart Stevenson Keith Brown
Holyrood started business in 1999
How many Ministers of Transport
do you think have been appointed ?
Less than two years in office????
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Alex S
870 of the 1,041 orders have gone to Scottish companies (84%)
Somethings missing Alex!!
118 Subcontracts awarded to Scottish firms from the total of 155 (76%)
First Ministers Questions 2 Feb 2012
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Who is actually building the bridgeCONTRACT COMPANY NATIONALITY
CONSTRUCTIONCONSORTIUM
DRAGADOS SPANISH
HOCHTIEF GERMAN
AMERICAN BRIDGE USA
MORRISON CONSTRUCTION ENGLISH (Now)
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CONTRACT COMPANY NATIONALITY
MAJOR
MANUFACTURERS
Zhenhua Heavy Industries CHINATecade-Megusa SPAIN
Crist-Gdansk POLAND
Cleveland Bridge ENGLAND
Scottish contractor awards = 143 million (1%)
870 of the 1,041 orders have gone to Scottish companies (84%)
118 Subcontracts awarded to Scottish firms from the total of 155 (76%)
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BEFORE WE
START
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3 TECHNICAL
ASPECTS
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Cable Stayed Bridge
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Before we begin you should be you should be
aware of the difference between these structures
A SUSPENSION BRIDGE
A CABLE STAYED BRIDGE
A MULTIMODAL BRIDGE
SUSPENSION BRIDGE STRUCTUREORIGINAL FORTH ROAD BRIDGE
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Cable Stayed Bridge
The New Forth Bridge
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PROPOSED FRC STRUCTUREWAS MULTIMODAL
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LETS START WITH A LOOK AT THE
GOVERNMENTS COST OF THE 1965
FORTH ROAD BRIDGE
Their 1965 cost is 19.5m
Their 2005 inflation figure is 250
My 2016 inflation figure is 340m
Their data can be verified on their web
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STRUCTURE COST COMPARISON
The old bridge is a
SUSPENSION BRIDGE
The new bridge is a CABLE
STAYED BRIDGE
Structural engineers will tell you that suspension bridges are
10% more expensive than cable stayed bridges
SO WHY IS THE NEW BRIDGE
5 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE
Made in
UK
Made in
China
16 miles of road
24 other bridges8 miles of roadNo other bridges
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NOWADAYSCana cable stayed bridge of
similar structure be built for around 340m
OF COURSE IT CAN - I T HAS BEEN DONE
ANDby one of the main contractors
involved with Scotlands FRC
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Hong Kongs Stone Cutters Bridge
Examine the location
Over one of the worlds busies sea routes
Land prices 10 times the cost
Located over a built up area
Please examine the access roads...
And the cost??
245m
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THE COST FLUCTUATION FARCE
THE COST REVISIONS ARE QUITE STAGGERING
DESIGN CHANGES ARE MINIMAL
ONE CHANGE ILLUSTRATES THE POINT
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No Date Source Cost
2 Jan 05 Faber and Maunsell 500m
1 Jun 04 FETA 500m
3 Feb 07 Scottish Government 1,000+m
4 Dec 07 Scottish Government 2,790 to 3,630m
5 Jan 08 Scottish Government 3,250 to 4.220m
7 Mar 11 Scottish Government 1,470 to 1.620m
6 Sep 09 Scottish Government 1,700 to 2,300m
4,220m
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Scotland to build theWorld's most expensive bridge
This pretty average 2km bridge
has a budget of up to 4.2 billion
This is a larger amount than even the entire
Fehmarn Belt project.
Scottish Finance Secretary, John Swinney,
announced "Forth Replacement Crossing",
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The FRC cost here are when the quoted price
was 4,220m
World Bridge Graphs
Lets compare.
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COST of VARIOUS TYPES TYPES OF WORLD BRIDGES -M
The FRC was the worlds most
expensive bridge.
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84
102
106
136
146
163
198
319
357
367
392
497
498
510
561
567
576
796
854
941
1,08
1
1,08
1
4,050
4,1094,220
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500
1,000
1,500
2,000
2,500
3,000
3,500
4,000
4,500
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84
102
106
146
163 3
19
367
392
497
561
5
67
5
76
796 9
41 1
,081
4,220
0
500
1,000
1,500
2,000
2,500
3,000
3,500
4,000
4,500
COST of ONLY CABLE STAYED BRIDGES -m
Again
the FRC wasby far the most costly
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5000
10000
15000
20000
25000
30000
35000
40000
45000
1 4 7 10 13 16 19 22 25 28 31 34 37 40 43 46 49 52 55 58 61 64 67 70 73 76 79 82 85 88 91 94 97 100103106109112115118121124127
COMPARATIVE LENGTHof WORLD BRIDGES
The FRC is tiny: a mere 127thin world ranking..
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200
400
600
800
1,000
1,200
1,400
1,600
1,800
WORLD AVERAGE COST PER METRE
200K
The FRC COST PER METRE WAS
1,500
LETS NOW EXAMINE THE COST PER METRE
WEVE SEEN TOTAL COST
LETS NOW CHECK THE COST PER LENGTH1,563
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US CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY DATA (Jan 2004)
Between $4k and $5K per square metre
The FRC cost- $60k per sq m.
COST OF (Cable Stayed) BRIDGES
PER SQUARE METRE
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2009
THE WORLDS THREE
MOST EXPENSIVE BRIDGES
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1st
- Scotlands Multimodal FRC2nd- Japans Pearl Bridge
3rd- Sweden/Denmarks -Oresund Crossing
Cost over 4,000m+ world crossings
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2nd-The Pearl Bridge Japan Opened in 1998 for
$4,300m
The worlds longest suspension bridge -3,910m
Tornadoes (180mph)hinged-girder system
Fierce sea currents & deep water
Why is it so expensive
Earthquakes (8.5 Richter scale)TMD pendulumstuned mass damper
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3rd - THE ORESUND CROSSING
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WORLDS LARGEST
MULTIMODAL CROSSING
An Island
A Bridge
and
A Tunnel
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Bridge
Tunnel
DENMARK SWEDEN
Island
SATELLITE VIEW
The Oresund Project
Lets build it in Fife!!!!!
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A 4 km Artificial Island
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A 4 km multimodal tunnel
Road &
Rail
Tunnel
4050 metres
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A 8 km multimodal bridge
Road
& Rail Bridge 8km long
O d C i 4 100 *
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Oresund Crossing cost 4,100m *
Oresund Project 8 times the size of the FRC
Built in 5 years; and the FRC???
5 years
* Transport Scotland data says 4,400m
Forth Crossing cost 4,220m
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Professor John Kay.
Do you know this man?
Chosen Financial Adviser
to the
SCOTTISHGOVERNMENT.
Public lectureSept 2007 on
the FRC
Expressed astonishment
..more than 4 times the final cost of
the Oresund bridge
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THE NEW
MERSEY GATEWAY BRIDGE
Englands MULTI-MODAL Comparison
COMPLETION 2016
STRUCTURE MULTI-MODAL
TYPE CABLE STAYED
LENGTH 2.3 Km
TOWERS 3
LANES 6
COST UNDER 600 million
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The Occasion
Project Director
Steve NicholsonFeb. 27th, 2012
The Statement
Dropping the double deck and
other measures will save
..30m
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The Occasion
Finance Secretary
John SwinneyScottish Parliament
Dec. 19th, 2007
The Statement
The tram section removed..
A revised saving will be
..580m
D 2009 t i 1 600
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Dec 2009 cost is now 1,600m
Lets compare it with
another UK crossing
THE SEVERN BRIDGE
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AN EXCELLENT COMPARISON
Both UK projects
Similar environments
Contemporary
Cable Stayed Structures
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Second Severn Crossing FORTH REPLACEMENT CROSSING
MADE IN CHINAMADE IN UK
Six+hs Lanes Four+hs5,200 m Length 2,700
18.5 km Roads 4.5 km
4 years Build time 5.5 years810 m Cost 1,500
*Transport Scotland have it at 890m
HardShoulder
FRC IS HALF THE SIZE & TWICE THE PRICE
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Three ICONIC world bridges.
Is the FRC really so expensive?
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Greece -Rio Antirio Bridge
WORLDS MOST
DIFFICULT BRIDGE
TO BUILD
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2,880 Metres Cable Stayed
No bedrock
64 metre deep Sea crossing Seismic & Tsunami
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65 metres
SEA DEPTH
800 i 200 i 2 di 25/30 l
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200 STEEL PIPES
2 METRE IN DIAMETER
30 METRE IN LENGTH
BURIED IN THE SEA BED
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800 pipes200 per pier - 2m diameter25/30 m long
F i ti CAISSONS
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Four gigantic CAISSONS
installed over the pipes
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Length
m
Lanes Towers Build
Time
Cost
2016
Rio Antirio 2880 6 4 6.0 576m
Forth 2700 4 3 5.5 1,600m
Rio Antirio
Opened in 2004
at a cost of
630M
WORLDS MOSTDIFFICULT BRIDGE
MILLAU
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WORLDSHIGHEST BRIDGE
MILLAU
VIADUCTFrance
Opened in 2004350m
Lengthm
Lanes Towers BuildTime
Cost2016
Millau 2460 4 7 3 400m
Forth 2700 4 3 5.5 1,600m
VASCO d
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VASCO de
GAMA
Opened in 1998
at a cost of$1000m
Length
m
Lanes Towers Build
Time
Cost
2016Vasco de
Gama17200 6 2 1.5 941m
Forth 2700 4 3 5.5 1,600m
EUROPESLONGEST BRIDGE
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COULD IT BE
SOMEONE DIDNTWANT A TUNNEL?
THEIR LIST IN FAVOUR OF A TUNNEL
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THEIR LIST IN FAVOUR OF A TUNNEL
GOVERMENT LIST AGAINST A TUNNEL
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1. 5km more roadway
3. 4 million tonnes of spoil
4. Multi-modal option needs another tunnel
5. Prohibited goods (like whisky)
8. More expensive
7. No pedestrians or cyclists
6. Would take 7.5 years
2. Special Protection Areas
GOVERMENT LIST AGAINST A TUNNEL
An underground tunnel has less environmental impact.
The bridge is 2.7km the tunnel is 8kmwhy more
The Eurotunnel used their spoil to prevent erosion.
The tram link was dropped simply not valid.
Londons M25 tunnel escort goods- we still have a bridge
How come - the 31 mile Channel Tunnel was built in 6 years
Tourists would prefer the bridge stupid
LETS EXAMINE THIS CLAIM IN DETAIL..
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The best means available to assess this
cost is again by comparison
You are about to see why!!!!
Gotthard Base Tunnel
A single comparison here will suffice
Well use the worlds longest tunnel
ld' l l
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World's longest tunnel
Its very deep too!!!
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Its very deep too!!!
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ROUTE LENGTH 58 km+
Additional shafts 152 km
Construction Time 17 Years
Construction Team 2,600
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4 Giant borers used
simultaneously
T l li i
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Tunnel lining
Cement cladding
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Cement cladding
L t b ild it th
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MAIN SHAFT58 kM
AUXILIARY SHAFTS152 kM
Lets build it across the
Forth for comparison
Oor wee tunnel
Now the Swiss one
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TOTAL COST AS OF NOV 2010
6,300m
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Now the ForthsBored Tunnel Option
FETA commissionedthis study in
JAN 2005
FORTH ESTUARY TRANSPORT AUTHORITYS d F th R d C i C lid t d t
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This detailed 80 page report was commission to examine FRC options
Second Forth Road Crossing Consolidated report
Jan 2005 FABER MAUNSELL
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..Bored Tunnel cost..
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598M
Why did FETA remove this document from
their web site???
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SCALE MODELS
Forth
tunnel 8km
You wont believe it!!!
Cost 6,300m
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The Occasion
Finance Secretary
John SwinneyScottish Parliament
Dec. 19th, 2007
The Statement
I have the cost estimates..
A bored tunnel would cost..
..6,600m
BACK TO HOLLYROOD
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I'm still awaiting an answer to the following simple question
Quote to me .. Remember we are just laymen
Not one MSP has questioned these outrageous costs
Labour started this cost fiasco SNP continued
AUDIT SCOTLAND has never investigated these costs
Please provide a list of more
expensive comparable bridges
YOU
JUDGE
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Facts do not cease to exist
because they are ignored.Aldous Huxley
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Thank
you