Nadi Astrology- RAYUDU

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NADI ASTROLOGY - PART 1

The following article was published in "The Times of Astrology"magazine, New Delhi, IndiaJan 2000.

I NTRODUCTI ON

Most of the readers may be knowing by now about Nadi astrology, since many articles havebeen published in magazines and newspapers. Some books were also published and muchexchange of information has been taking place through internet and e-mail. For the benefitof those who are not familiar with this branch of astrology I give a brief background of thesame from the reliable literature. Nadi astrology was written on palm leaves in ancientIndia. It is mostly prevalent in South India particularly in the Tamilnadu State. Its maincenter is a place called 'Vaitheerswarankoil' near 'Chidambaram'in Tamilnadu State. It isalso available in some other places of Chennai, Kanchipuram, Salem,Hyderabad/Secunderabad, Tirupati etc. There are many Nadi Grandhas and they are namedafter Hindu Gods, Sages and Planets such as Mahasiva Nadi, Brugu Nadi, Kowmara Nadi ,Koushika Nadi, Vashishta Nadi Agastya Nadi, Sapta Rishi Nadi, SatyaNadi Chandra Kala Nadietc. They are available in the languages of Tamil, Sanskrit mainly. The palm leaves are heldby certain families who read the results from the palm leaves mostly by taking the thumbimpression and some from palm and birth data.

I also propose to discuss brief examples of actual readings from thumb prints or otherwise

from some nadi astrologers, their veracity with respect to past and future, correlation withtraditional astrological principles, my experiences, opinion of others, doubts and questions,further research required on the same. This is based on my collection of data and researchfor the last three decades

H I STORY

The origin of these leaves can be traced back to approximately 2000 years ago. It ispresumed that the Sapta Rishis (Seven Sages) had written the life patterns of each personon palm leaves along with their types of names by their Yogic Powers. These unique leaveswere kept in the Saraswati Mahal' library of Tanjore city of Tamilnadu State in India. Later

during the British Rule the British were very keen to acquire these types of ancient leavesdealing with herbal cure, alchemy, fortune-telling etc; but left some of the astrologicalleaves to their loyalists. Some were put to auction also. People belonging to a particular sectcalled Valluvar community who specialized in astrology bought these leaves. Some of thesewere acquired by the astrology families in Vaitheeswarankoil about 60 years ago fromThanjavur Saraswati Mahal Library . The leaves were found lying idle in Vaitheeswarankoilby about 13th century the forefathers found them realized their values and copied thecontents on palm leaves and made exact replica These leaves have been handed down overgenerations to make predictions. They earned their livelihood through Nadi Astrology. It is ahereditary profession for them. They got trained from their elders to do Nadi reading. Whatis written on the leaves is read and explained by them. The language is poetic and the scriptis also different. It is the same as in the ancient temples. Some of the Nadis are available in


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the Oriental Manuscripts Library at Chennai, India though in mutilated condition and theSaptaRishiNadi was published in Tamil in six volumes lagna wise . The Sanskrit texts weretranslated and written on palmyra or palm leaves in old archaic tamil language. There were

some nadigranthas translated into another South Indian Telugu language. Marata KingSarabhoji and Chola Kings patronized this form of astrology and translations. It is statedthat Sage Agasthya has written in Tamil. They have a certain amount of collection leaves.For each thumb print there will be 6 granthas. In each granthas there will be 108 sizes and12 parts according to Siva Nadi and 50 sizes in Agastyanadi that means for one thumb printmany stories of person can be read. In Siva Nadi more details are given as discussionbetween Lord Siva and Parvati than in Agastya Nadi . It seems that these Nadis wereoriginally written on animal skins and some leaves and later they were copied on palmleaves. They re preserved by applying oil extracted from peacock's blood.

The Nadi readers say that natives whose leaves are there will somehow or other comes tothem at the appropriate age specified on the leaves from any corner of the world. Leavesare there not only for Indian but for foreigners also belonging to other religions. Who everare desired to look into the leaves will go to them on his own accord. They very word Nadiin Tamil mean (destined) to come own accord. Those who are not destined may not evenknow such a type of astrology exists. Even the very age when the native is destined to go tothem is marked on the leaves. So they say they do not adventure for their profession.Whoever is destined to come will come faith is the root of their system. It is also stated thatabout 40% of the people in the world only are likely to get these results as available.

PROCEDURE

The Nadi Astrologer is generally busy and one has to take an appointment with him a monthbefore approximately When you go there on the appointed day he checks his dairy and takethe three impressions of the right thumb for males and the left thumb for females on apaper giving serial order number and ask you to wait till he calls you. Then he goes insidehis library room where the palm leaves are kept which is not accessible to others. After anhour or so, sometimes quicker, he comes back with an old palm leaf bundle called indexleaves. After making himself comfortable he carefully unwinds the long string which keepsthe bundle in tact. He tells you to answer yes or no to his questions. With great devotion hetakes the first palm leaf and starts reading on one side. The reading style is of funny accentin a poetic way, not understandable to even Tamilians. After reading one or two lines oreven less sometimes he asks you some questions and you have to answer yes or no only. Ifyou say 'No' he proceeds to the other side of leaf or next leaf and continues his questions.The questions are generally one or two at a time , such as whether y our name is aftersome God /Goddess contains 3 or 4 or so letters or so, starts ends with a particular letter ina Varga (series) of the Hindu alphabets, Similarly about the names of parents and

wife/husband whether anyone of them or both are alive or dead, number of elder andyounger brothers and sisters, number of children number of uncles, type of profession,whether you are born in rainy season /summer etc. whether you are born in moveable/fixed/dual Moon and lagna rasis, whether you are born in a particular Moon Birth starwhether you are born in a particular day in a particular year whether your age is so and soetc. He says that h e does not know what questions to ask unless he scans the leaves andthat is why they generally insist the concerned person or a person who knows every detailabout the persons consulted, should be present to answer the questions correctly, otherwisethey say the readings won't go wrong. They do no bother much of you cannot answerquestions about birth date month age, Moon rasi and star, lagna and they seem to bothermore about matching of your name names of parents and wife/husband. If he gets 'No'answers to all the leaves of the first bundle which he goes back into his library and brings


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another bundle. This process continues for an hour or so generally covering generally up tobundles each consisting about 50 leaves or sometimes quickly even in the first bundle till heand your are satisfied and the answers to all the questions in a particular leaf are 'yes' only

Concerning names, parents, wife /husband, co-borns profession etc.

Then he goes inside and bring another particular bundle and reads in poetic style youractual birth date month land year the astrological birth chart with position of planetssometimes with lagna also exact names of yourself, parents, wife/ husband, co-born,education, profession and gist of future predictions in a broad way and this is called GeneralKandam (chapter) of first bhava. You can verify the chart given if you know your birth charthe writes the concerned verses from the leaf in a note book . Then he records the same inan audio tape with translation into common understandable Tamil or some other languageswith the help of a translator if necessary . He generally charges a minimum of 300 rupeesupto this General Kandam Then he asks you whether you want to more details about anyparticular aspect of your life such as marriage, profession, etc and if so he picks upcorresponding bundle and charges a similar amount extra for each aspect which he calls it aseparate kandam or chapter. Some chapters give details about previous birth, remedialmeasures etc. At the end he hands over the note book and audio tape to you with devotionand takes money generally at the place where the photos of Gods /Goddess are there.

DETAI LS OF KANDAMS ( CHAPTERS)

The details covered in each Kandam generally are as follows:-

Kandam 1 - To be found through thumb impression (gents right, ladies left or sometimes byhoroscope of the concerned person or palm, will contain name parents and wife/husband'snames brothers, sisters, maternal uncles, children, profession and general list of futurepredictions for all the 12 houses.Kandam 2 - Money family speech, eyes, education.

Kandam 3 - Brothers and Sisters

Kandam 4 - Mother ,House, Lands, Vehicles, Pleasures

Kandam 5 - Children Birth of children, reasons for not having children.

Kandam 6 - Enemies, Diseases, Debts, cases in court.

Kandam 7 - Marriage., Married life

Kandam 8 - Danger to life, longevity, period of death.

Kandam 9 - Father, Wealth, luck, Temple devotion to God ,Preaching from Holyman

Kandam 10 - Business, Job, Profession

Kandam 11 - Gain , Second Marriage.

Kandam 12 - Expenditure , Foreign visit, salvation,next birth.

Kandam 13 - Shanthi Kandam - Last Birth, Sins committed, remedial measures


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Kandam 14 - Deekshakandam- Mantra Japam and wearing of talisman (Raksha)

Kandam 15 - Avushathakandam Medicines for long standing diseases.

Kandam 16 - Dasa Bhuktikandam prediction for the present major and subperiod of theplanet.

In addition to these, there is also a special chapter for 'Prasna' where anyquery is answered.

Generally Remedial measures are like visiting particular temple, feeding thepoor etc, corresponding to sins the remedial measures re suggested. Suggestion of givingalms to the Nadi reader.


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I DENTI FI CATI ON PROCESS FROM THUMB PRI NT I MPRESSI ON

Lines on the thumb are classified in 1008 types, some say 108 types. Palm leaves arearranged according to these types. The Nadi readers identify the particular types of lines onthe thumb and the corresponding set of palm leaves is taken. For example, a particular typeis called Conch Shell with a circle. Among these there are many sub-divisions based on thenumber of dots on the thumb. Impressions with 5 or more dots are very rare. The timeduration to pick up your leaf depends upon the identification of the thumb impression. Some

impressions are identified easily and the corresponding leaves are found soon, for legalpurposes, the whole thumb is studied minutely. But they concentrate only on the centrepart of the thumb and the sub-divisions therein.

CLAIMS OF NADI READERS

According to the claim of Nadi astrologers the contents of the leaf are 99% accurate. And itis the accuracy that has made people from diverse walks of life throng his residence.Generally he insists on seeing only about 5 people a day on appointment, which is usuallyfixed a month in advance. Without the truth and integrity, they cannot survive for so manyyears and generations. Of course, there are places where there are fake leaves. They willnot be able to show the leaf with your name and other details they have clients from USA,

Canada , Japan, Hongkong, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and other places. Some evenfaxes their thumb impressions and gets the predictions. They have translators with them toserve them their children are also inherent in this profession and they are learning the oldscript and other languages. With the blessings of their ancestors, they will continue forgenerations. They have so many people benefited by the remedial measures and they getfeed back from the clients. Pleased with their service, they bring their friends and otherrelatives for Nadi reading. They would like to tell the people that they are only 'Nadireaders'. What is written on the leaves is read and explained by them. They themselves donot add anything. Some clients get irritated when some of the facts are unpleasant. Theycannot help it. With utmost patience they clear their doubts. Common people and VIPs (veryimportant persons) from all walks of life have consulted them. They show them theparticulars of where the predictions for the native are given. Some of their customers areable to read the leaves on their own. Some even buys their leaves for preservation. Theycan even take photographs of the names in the leaf. It is possible to train those who areinterested in learning nadi Jyotish in terms of Guru-Shishya parampapra (teacher-Disciplinesystem)and Sanskrit languages, and this knowledge of Nadi Jyotish could be acquired bythose who are totally dedicated lifelong to this Shastra (science).

However, the future of the leaves themselves seems to be uncertain. Though the leaves aresmeared with Ayurvedic act, the leaves would turn black after 100 years or so. While theyplan to save the contents of the leaf on the computer, they have their own doubts aboutdoing that. They will not feel the same reverence reading the computer prints out as theydo when they read the leaf.


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SOM E EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL NAD I READI NGS

I prefer to give below three Nadi Readings taken from me from different Nadis and Readers,

so that their veracity can be discussed authentically, since I cannot give here all t ereadings from various Nadis consulted at different places at different times which also gavesome correct future results.

KOWMARA NAD I READI NG I N CHENNAI

My first encounter with a Nadi Grantha was on 22nd February 1968 (in my 29th year) whenmy father -in-law Shri U.G.Krishna Murthy (Philosopher and World traveler , popularlyknown as U.G.) having known my interest in the study and research of astrology, took mepersonally to Kowmara Nadi astrologer (Shri T.Chandrasekhar) in Madras (now Chennai)India, since h e knew Tamil also. I happened to see the correct Kowmara Nadi Readings ofmy father-in-law much earlier , which was given by the father of the present nadi reader.

The Nadi Reader asked whether I knew my date and birth chart and he said it would befaster to pick up the concerned leaf. I gave him the same./ Then the procedure was thesame , he brought back some index cards and asked me questions to answer yes or no leafafter leaf. Some of the questions whether my name and my father's name were given afterthe name of Lord Venkateswara, whether I have one sister and one son, whether my wife'sname was after one of the names of wives of Trimurthy's (Bhrahma ,Vishnu,Maheshwara)etc. I asked for my profession (10th Kanda) and he wrote the readings in Tamil verses in anotebook and translated in English as follows.

"After praying to Goddess Parvati , Vasista and Viswamitra are narrating the tenth part of aperson having following horoscope"- Ravi Buddha and Kuja in Simha, Guru in Khumba, Ketu

in Mesha , Chandra in Makara , Sani in Meena, Tula Linga, Sucker and Rahu in Lagna. NameVenkata Ramana , Mother Annapurna, Father Venkat Rao. The Lord of the 10th house beingChandra is deposited in kendra. Sukra is in his own house and is expected by ketu. Guruand Sani are in parivartana. Kuja and Buddha in the 11th house. For these reasons he willhave average ancestral property. He will have a very good start in his career and makes agreat deal of progress in all his enterprises. The details are as follows.

"He completes his education in 21st year and proficiency will be shown in vocationaleducation . He will be employed in the following year. He will be skillful in making thenecessary parts of machines and service will be rendered to a private commercial firm. Hewill be paid adequately. Government will be helpful to him in the part of his work from 23rdyear . He will be engaged in the manufacture of defense articles He will show his efficiencyin planning and designing various equipments. He will have a great name in 27th year. Hewill be occupied in the making of high explosives which is planned by tube-like things andalso things, which are useful shooting with the intention damaging lives and properties. Thepractical work will be intensified in the 28th year. The scientific knowledge in the matter willbe made full. His power will raise. He will see whether the work is carried out properly . Hisskill will be encouraged in the 30th year and he enriches his knowledge by scrutinizing andanalyzing the operation of various missiles. He will be engaged in miscellaneous kind ofactivities his capacities for organization will be developed in the following three years. Hisincome will be satisfactory. He makes out various plans and executes . He earned a goodname in 35th year. Takes charge of various sub divisions The number of tools and machinesto be operated by him will be increased various departments will come under his control .Good results will be achieved in 38th year. Work relating to planning sketches will be on theincrease. He will be well- known in distant places or countries. He will be able to conduct


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and control all the affairs of the department. New schemes will be prepared in the 40th yearand the scale of pay will be better than before. He is capable of giving training to others andwill have great name in the industrial circles. He offers advice in all matters of manufacture

in the following two years. He will show his strength in the technical side and he will hold anextraordinary power. He will be honored by Central Government. He wins the confidence ofthe administrators and works for them with greater enthusiasm. Administrativeresponsibilities will be taken over by him in 48th year. His attention will be concentrated onraw materials. He will be held in high esteem by an association where scientific andtechnical people join together for promoting their studies. His strength and efficiency will goin 50th year and makes necessary arrangements for the development of the work heundertakes. He will be able to manage the establishment more efficiently than ever andmaintains his position through out . When Maharishis said so Parvati remarked that thosewho are closely associated with him in the work would hinder him . She said that he will getaway from the these evils by performing Karma Kanda."

COMMENTS ON THI S READI NG

I should comment that all the past and future details are correct, covering the birth chart,exact names, engineering degree, first job in private paper mills, and latter in centralgovernment in defense research and development laboratories in guns and rockets.,promotions, hidden enemies etc except the" maintaining this position throughout" since Itook voluntary retirement at my 52nd age and not work any where subsequently havingspecific profession except pursuing my astrology and philosophy hobbies. But strangely itmay be noticed that no detailed profession was given after 50th year. Some astrologicaldiscussions are made. I took karma kanda also and the reading prescribed prayers tocertain gods/goddesses each day in a week along with certain diet for certain number ofweeks etc, the details of which h I do not give here due to problem of space. I did theprescribed remedial measures and I cannot vouchsafe that they really helped me, but

generally the profession was all right with some usual disappointments. Subsequently Iwent to him after my retirement but he said that my leaf of profession was not availablewhich almost confirmed that I will not have any job later.. The readings seem to be basedon Saturn transit of 2 year in each rasi. The readings are crisp and straightforward.


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VASI SHTA NADI I N VAI THEESWARANKOI L

The following are the readings given by Sri I T.Ravi nadi reader in Vasistha nadi inVaitheeswarankoil on 27 June 1991(age 52) after the thumb impression and initial usualquestions for general kanda ,profession kanda and shanti kanda.

GENERAL KANDA

"Vasishta is narrating. Tamil year Vegudhanya, Tamil 22nd day, Wednesday, thula lagna,Lagna Sukra Rahu, Shravana Star, Makara Chandra, Meena Starun, Jupiter Khumba,Mesham Ketu, Surya Kuja Budha in Leo, this is planet position,Birth place Andhra Brahmin,father mother died, one borther one sister, your are graduate, no ancestral property, nowhouse, male one son, now 71/2 year Sani, so results will be dull, longevity 75, son and wifeDeergha Ayushu (long life) brother , sister deerghaayushu. Jeevanakarara Moon inkendrasthana in Makara - Government job engineering job, retired and then get moneyfrom government, ever after retirement you will get money through other subsidiary (notpermanent) jobs, temporary business and also possible , son good education , got marriedand living with his wife, now in present period the problems due to curse in last janma, thetroubles are restlessness, not peaceful, in order toward off curses, parihara is to be done ina religious way, from 55 you are having good life name and fame are assured, as Saturntransit keeps on happening you will get improvement towards end of life will have enough

wealth, by 60 you will be able get several lakhs of rupees, at 60 you may get nervoustrouble, there is no gandam (life danger) the assets will be basically of permanent natureand you will not lose them, in family God's blessings are everlast, wife also will get oftenhealth problems, kalatrakaraka in 7th and Mars and sun in one place it gives problems towife, even though some troubles due to Sani dasa once coming succeeding dasa will giveprosperity to him, father nameVenkata Rao, mother name Annapurna, wife name Bharathi,your name Venkata Ramana Rayudu, you will have good life only after end of sani allobstructions will be over, after that desires will be fulfilled.

PROFESSI ON KANDA

"Vasishta bowed to Eshwari and then telling about Jeevana sthana, good education, goodjob, you have retired, after marriage wife is there one son, now 71/2 year Sani, in this youwill have some troubles and dejection, because Jeevanasthana got spoiled even afterretirement from government service there is no business life, now your are doing subsidiaryjobs, now y our doing new type latest jyothisham even in that you will get someobstructions, you won'' get much income on that only after Jupiter transit August 7th youwill find improvement in your new astrology, you will be making the use of computers, after7th August foreign travel is likely with wife, your visit abroad will give a link with astrology,after this foreign visit there is a chance for publishing a book on astrology, because of thispublication you will get a good name, at 55 you will get many more successes and fame,you will be employing lot of people (assistants) lot of people will come in search of you, thatalso you get through God's blessing after that you will have establishment with foreign


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countries vehicles etc, at 58 you will be really in the much more advance stop of yourcareer, you can gain famous only through your new astrology because of this you will gainlot of income after 58 you will build a new house, after Sani period your foreign travels will

be quite often you will derive happiness in your mind for your achievements. You will be atorch bearer for others to lead a good life, you will get good concentration God's Bhaktiwithout any lack your life will be prosperous and you will be always thinking about God alsoat 62d you will establish good contacts with holy people and big political and influentialpeople without any fear you will lead good life, God's blessings will ever continue, butPariharam is a must, Jnanamarg can be achieved due to your planetary position, your namewill be remembered in many countries, you will earn money through many sources by 70you will a mass wealth . Always you will live comfortably with wife, son children family.

SHANTI KANDA

"Vasishta is naratting, next poornima in Tanjore district, Ananda Mangalam Place, templeAnjaneya, deepam, archana, feeding poor people then come to nadi place, three fruits,three flowers, clothes to one male (Dhoti towel and shirt) and female (saree and blouse)Rs.324/-to Nadi person and get his blessings, this dosha will vanish, future life prosperous,comforts in rest of life, reciting God's name as well as new astrology will give peace of mind,people will be surprised to see such a nice life to you, never you will lose the property, youwill never be in debt, no separation in family if pariharam is done religiously then withoutfear the above phalas will materialize."


I should comment again almost all the past and future events till now are correct coveringbirth date 7th Sept,1938, Shravana star, Thula Lagna) birth chart names retirement, newresearch computer astrology, first foreign trip to USA in June 1992 with wife as astrology togive lecture in the conventions of American Federation of Astrologers , Publishing of book"How to read a Horoscope A scientific model of predictions based on benefic and maleficanalysis of planets and bhavas "by M/s.Motilal Banarsidass Publisher of Delhi, India,assistants helping in computer astrology print outs, people coming in search of me,extension of present house, more research in astrology, meditations, nervous trouble wife'sill health etc, except for some funny astrological statement of "Kalatra Karaka in 7th andJeevanakaraka Moon in Kendrasthana Makara Government job and engineering job "you willgain lot of income through y our new astrology" Since I get only very limited amount only.Here also the stress of the reading s seems to be more from transits of Saturn and Jupiterthough touching the main dasa periods. The readings are again very crisp and

straightforward. ".I hope that further future readings will also agree. The remedial measuresprescribed certain place and God in Tamilnadu and to give money and clothes to NadiReader. This seems of a bit of manipulation of reading. I did not do the, specifically since Igo usually to Anjaneya temple nearby my house. The future results are given from the dateof consultation at certain ages and the timing of past events are not given.

ANOTHER VASI SHTANADI I N VASTHEESHW ARANKOI L

Here is another reading by the nadi reader, V.Sellaiyan(in Shri C Poosumutthu group) fromVasistha nadi same date 27June 1999(age 52) after taking thump impression and scanningindex leaves:-


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General Reading:"This is the horoscope of Venkata Ramana. After worshiping lord Brahma and Ammal,Vasistha is describing the life history of VenkataRamana Ayya. Janmalagnam Thula,

bahudhanya varsham, avani masam(around September) Wednesday 22day, tiruvanam9(sravana) nakshatra, is born in reputed family, at the age of around 5 and 6 bodilyailments due to heat, mother also would have got similar ailments; family hesitance isthere, father also got social source, among friends circle status and fame, life is verypeaceful without any downfall; not when even through his education could not progress wellafter 10th year good advance in education, what ever work undertaken that will be done tosatisfaction, you will able to accumulate wealth and navadhanyam, after 18th yeargraduation study, mechanical engineering, before 23rd he will attain degree, after that alsohe will continue studies, after 25th year you will be in responsible government position, thejob will be in defense machine ,at 26 married, good wife and lives with her in comforts,before 30 age you will get birth of child, you will continue in defense forces, after 40 ageyou will go up in profession, during this period children will get good education, beforeattainment of 45, you will earn good wealth andgold, after 45 age you will you will be inadministrative type of job, god's blessings are always there in the family, good events willtake place in the family related to children, in good family care. The marriage of son willtake place, Mother's name Annapurna, father's name Venkata Rao, Your name VenkataRamana, wife's name Bharati, You will have one brother and sister, no daughter for youonly one son, now father and mother no more, 7.5 years Saturn is running, now the dasaperiod effects will not be so good, within yourself you will be feeling some type of dis-satisfaction, now you don't have any job, you don't have any interest in doing any job,sometimes accidents for children, at age of 53 you start this type of vedas to ward of evilswhich have been done earlier, for that purpose if shanti is to be done you should do it onceyou remove these events by shanti, there is no need to be frightened for anything for therest of life, gradually there will be rise in life style, children will be well off, that ever thingsyou feel and desire they will be fulfilled, live happily with wife and children, your son will be

continuing his work, son will be doing computer work, at 55 life will be really good, you willpurchase some house andplots, you will be enjoying with your grand son, you will be havingunity with your brother and sister, you won't have any decease long-lasting, you will nothave any litigation problem, court cases, any thing business you want to do you should doin your wife's name, finance type of activities you will do in an earnest way, before 58enough accumulation of wealth in family, at 60 your wife will have gandam, it will come justlike that and go off, your son will go abroad, two years he will be working outside in foreignlands, at 60 you will get much more wealth , grains and what not, through your son you willderive entire satisfaction and happiness at the age of around 60 , all comforts in lifewhatever you want before 62 you will get, around 62,63 you will have breathing problemslike Asthama, this will come most unexpected way, people who are around you and yourown caste people they will also praise you, you will do help and some donation type ofactivities, most of the people will appreciate you, you will have like a royal king, at 67 you

will be looked after by your son, you will do religious activities in temples, till end of life, youwill do social service, because you earns lot of money your kith and kin will prosper well , at72 there is grandam like heart attack, senses being affected, but it will not effect you,around that time, your son will get left in job, son will lead a royal life, till the end God'sblessings are there, whatever it is, pariharam is to be done, once you will do pariharam, youwill live happily with family, your own community people will respect you, till the end youwill live with your wife and son, your desire will be fulfilled, ever after age 77, you will live,subham". (The birth chart is also given)

PARI HARAM


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"Bowing down to Lord Eswara, he is telling the parihara. You have got some papas done inearlier life, on a Sunday Abhisekham to be done for Kali, Sahasranama Archana, put redflowers garland and red cloth, make 'mala' out of line equivalent to your age at that time,

five times pradakshina, feed 51 blind children, like that repeat for 21 Sundays, the eveningin Rahu Kala you should go to Durga and put deepam, by means of doing this, whateverregards to sun you have committed will be erased, once you do this pariharm, you will getall comforts in life, with doing this with Good's blessings you will have Deergha AyushSubham".


I should comment here again that almost all past and future all past and future events tellnow correct except for some small mistakes here and there, and they are not more specificas in the earlier quoted Vasistha Nadi and here also Saturn transit only is mentioned. There

is a difference in the life span and parihara mentioned, though it is also Vasistha Nadi butthe reader is different. Here the ages of past events are given in more detail. I did not dothe prescribed remedies as Durga temple also.

It would not be very easy to correlate and predict the events specifically traditionalastrological principles, as given by the Nadi reader. Since 10th lord Moon is in MarsExaltation house and Mars is with Sun, we can say that the profession may be connected totechnical and government. Since 5th and 6th lord parivarthana (exchange of houses) and5th lord aspect by 12th lord Mercury there can less be children. Since 3rd lord is Retrogradeand parivarthana with Saturn and Mars and 11th lord Sun in 11th house with 12th lordMercury, there can be less number of coborns. Since Saturn in 6th in Meena Rasi aspecting12th house, and one to being retrograde considered to be in Kumbha aspected by 9th and12th lord Mercury, and Sun is with 9th and 12th lord foreign travels can be expected inSaturn Dasa-Sun bhukti. The voluntary retirement can be expected in Saturn-Venus perioddue to shashtashtaka (6thand 8th positions to each other), Saturn in 6th house of serviceand Venus is lagna lord in lagna giving self involvement and this combination is notconsidered good as per 'Uttarakalamrutha' grantha when they are both benefit planets. Thepublication of book can be expected in Saturn -Rahu period Since Saturn aspects 3rd houserelating to writings and Rahu is in Jupiter Star connected to astrology. The study of transitsof Saturn, Jupiter , Rahu and Ketu may reveal these events . Anyway this would be only apostmortem analysis unless one is very thorough with his astrological principles and highlyexperienced to progress the chart very professionally to prefix that exact future eventsbefore the events occur. However, it would be highly impossible to tell the exact names.


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MY EXPERI ENCES

I consulted Kowmara Nadi, Vasistha Nadi, Maha siva vakya tulya Nadi, Kaushika Nadi,Kashyapa Nadi, Suka Nadi, Viswamitra Nadi, Vyasa Nadi, Agastya Nadi, Skanda Nadi inChennai, Salem, Kanchipuram, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Secunderabad and Tirupati from1968 onwards till now for myself, wife, son and other friends. Only at places recently atHyderabad I was told that my leaf was not available and it should be got fromVaitheeswarankoil.

Here are some of my brief reactions about the same;- After taking the thumb print, nobody

asked me my date and time of birth no different appointments, nobody monitored behindthe screen in other room, being an astrologer myself I was very careful not to give anyclues. In the index scanning, leaf after leaf they asked whether moon star or lagna in charaor sthira or dwiswabhava rasi whether my name and names of wife and parents certainnames after some God or Goddess or contained certain number of letter, sounds of letterswhether present age is so and so whether coborns are so many numbers whether parentsalive or dead, whether born certain seasons year month and dates etc Moon star etc etcThey never asked the exact ones and I never told the exact ones till end.

Now the real trick to tell exactly about your date of birth, names co-borns etc comes intoplay. Even if an exact chart with degrees of planets given can an astrologer tell these purelyfrom astrological principles may be if he is thorough with his subject highly experiences but

definitely no as far as telling the exact names probably in names likely may sound unless he has got some extraordinary psychic powers . Then how do they tell with a broad chart.The exact past events and names when the detailed charts of twins also differ. I did notcheck the twins' charts with them and it would be worthwhile to do that for this research. Soat this stage there must be having some method to correct the available nearest chart togive your readings. I heard that they rewrite the leaves at certain intervals of time as perthe coding and system mentioned in some introductory to such to the cycles of time I amnot sure. Or their recitation of some mantra would be enabling them to tell the eventsthrough some spirit.

How did Sage Satyacharya write in Dhruvanadi a life pattern for each nadi amsha and,without fixing the nadi amsha one should not proceed further and he did not tell how to tellexact names. Are these so-called nadi readers are conversant with intricacies of astrology atall. I interviewed with some of them with some astrological talk, while reading they saidthey did not know much of astrology and said they were trained for 10 to 12 years how topick up and read the leaves. Even if you cannot answer some of his questions pertaining toastrological debut such as moon position, moon star, lagna position etc, and some timeseven your birth date and month year since you do not know your birth data and chart, thenadi fellow tells your date of birth, chart, exact names etc. So it seems to me that thelinking the exact names play a vital role and you can easily see the veracity of this sinceanother person with some chart cannot have the same names of theirs and parents. Even intwins with 3 minutes birth difference the names of twins differ but sound similar but withdifferent charts, but same names of parents.


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Being an astrologer I can easily see this whole process is to know the position of planetsSaturn, Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Lagna for example if he asks whether I am 60years old and I agree by working backwards from now the position of Saturn 2 years

Jupiter (1 year) Rahu and Ketu (1 yrs) one approximately can know my birth year andtheir position at my birth year, If he asks whether I was born in rain season and I agree,sun position can be known approximately, similarly Moon position generally do not botherabout the lagna that means birth time. They get satisfied with the approximate names alsoafter some scanning. But still the whole chart is not known at this stage, these index leaveshave got some linking charts to be picked up .Then they bring the leaf if available and givethe whole chart exact date of birth, names, past events, future etc as a general Kandamand you will be impressed. This is their training process and they generally do not agree forreading without thumbprint even if you want to give chart. They never give the degreeportion of planets and lagna in the chart. So obviously other Vargas charts the nearest onewhich matches your past events since it is not possible to have records of all charts.

On 31st May 1993 (age 55) in Salem I tried to jot down points as the Nadi reader wasreading leaf after leaf from the index bundles and he noticed and objected to the same.However, for the benefit of the readers, there are some questions which I noted as he wasasking leaf after leaf till a correct details matched - " Brahmin, hospital born, father andmother expired, eldest, one maternal uncle, no sisters, own business, two brothers (total 3)mother name Ammal, married, wife there, one son, son government job, son teaching line,age 55running, own vehicle, government job, union/collector office; no sister, Simha rasifather Vishnu name, wife name Susheela, house rents, two daughters, foreign visited twice,mother government job, wife job, intercaste marriage, rasi dual sign, 1938/39born rainseason, two marriages, wife housewife, one daughter, agricultural land, father governmentjob, wife degree, housewife, only one brother, government job teaching line self doctor, rasisthira rasi, no daughter, arts degree, finance business, father Venkata, mother Parvatiname, intercaste marriage, factory job, son degree, chara rasi Mesham, birth night wife

name starting with 'sa' ,, son government job, army department officer technical B.E.degree self temple degree, in politics son married intercaste, house rents, thula rasi, date15to 30 , birth Sunday, star sravana, wife three letters, mother government job, fatherexpired 20 years back, to son no children, temple constructed, wife name starting with"pa,paa,pi,pe" job transport job, own house, wife housewife, one son ,. Born Wednesday,lagna ubhaya lagna, father temple constructed, mother name starting with "pa.paa.pi.pe"court case problem; sthira lagna, transport department, side business cine production sonliving with you, lagna chara lagna , birth night, mother name starting with "pa paa, pi pe",B.Sc.,M.Sc.rasayana blood pressure mother name starting with "ya,ra,la va.." eatablesbusiness, now government job wife ulcer stomach , mother 3 letter name , father visitforeign; mother 5 letter name, house rents, thula lagna, avani month wife name startingwith "sa,saa,si,se" family court cases, sugar problem, father government job mother namestarting with "a,aa,e,ee" father alive, mother died, mother name 4 letters first letter 'a' wifeulcer, business now, computer astrology in own place, wife house wife , mother name lastletter 'ra' self ulcer, wife operation, father own business and government job, wife nameRani, voluntarily retired before 4 years son in job, born Thursday sugar complaint, broker,government job, one sister housewife degree, self diploma, second house, mother expired10 years back father temple administration, self arts degree, father in the beginning privatejob clerical, mother name 3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 4th letter 'ra , raa, ri , ru' fatherreal estate, black money income, no lottery income, court case, fight with son, self twomarriages, self MSc, commerce, self engineering degree, also master's degree first jobcomputer line, no railway air line job, mother name 3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 1stletter 'a' father name Ramalingam, self technical civil engineering, operation heart,stomach, mother name Annapurna, one maternal uncle, self last child, Thursday born,hospital born wife name Saroja, small business in technical computer, son government job


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defense technical, self second child, born in fathers house, date of birth 7th sept,1938,Wednesday , voluntary retirement, one brother degree government job, one sister marrieddegree". In 5th bundle of index leaves in about 15th leaf all the details about names,

profession, lagna, rasi matched, the nadi reader told me when the thumb impressed wouldbe connected to 5 to 12 bundles of General Kandam each bundle roughly containing about50 leaves, any one of bundle and any one of leaf would be connected to you. In fact thenadi reader got fed up reading so many leaves and after 3 bundles he refused to continueeven, but upon my request he finally got it in 5th bundle ie. After reading about 200 leaves(an enormous strenuous job for both of us!) can we get any clues from these types of seriesof questions to arrive at the correct leaf matching your data?

Recently I had a funny experience while reading the index cards for my friend the nadiastrologer asked whether moon is in cancer in Aslesha and also asked about theapproximate names of parents. We said the parents' names are correct, but the star iswrong. Then after some leaves, he again said the same parents names but with Pushyamistar, which we again denied. After some more leaves, he again said same names but withPunarvasu star and we agreed since we knew the star and the chart. If we do not know theexact moon star what leaf the nadi astrologer decides and he may choose the wrong leaf. Ifhe is not patient to scan thoroughly to verify other past events and the readings can bewrong. So it is possible, that somebody might have been born with similar parents namedbut with different moon stars, such as in twins or otherwise also elsewhere in differentplaces.

In olden days, the names were given as per the letters sounds mentioned for moon stars,though nowadays nobody follows those rules to give names., Even then the nadi astrologerstell the exact names not only of Hindus but some extent of foreigners also so what is thatastrological principle from which one can tell exact names ? As far as I know there is none.Therefore, it is possible that the nadi astrologers propitiate some spirit to tell these exact

names including exact past events, since they are not conversant with astrologythoroughly., The future events would come correct or not depends on theexperience andattention of the nadi astrologers. Also I found that all the nadi astrologers would not tellexactly the same future and events remedial measures defending upon the nadi granthathey follow, through they tell the past correctly I presume that the same is time when theytell about the past life. Invariably the remedial measures, they ask for some money to begiven to nadi reader and the prescribed pujas to Gods/Goddess would be related to placesthe Tamilnadu. So these cannot be relied upon.

You go to the same nadi reader after one year and take the readings again from the samenadi grantha, will he give the same readings as he had given one year back. I have yet tocheck this, without telling him that I consulted him a year back. I presume that it would be

different readings of the nadi reader changer even if the same nadi grantha were consultedbecause I feel the person who reads is also involved in the process defending upon hisexperience.

Just as an off-track, I gave on prediction to some client with probable turning, he cameback later to me andtold me that it happened, and wanted to ask some other thing. I againlooked at his chart at his second visit and could not find the astrological reason how I toldthat fury prediction, so is it some other extra sense working at the time of prediction alongwith astrological reasons to decide the event depending on your meditations andexperience.Yes, I feel it would be so, when there is doubt about the decision for giving prediction,purely from astrology angle. That is why, it is said in sastras that the astrologers should


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follow the ethics and Dharamas to couple real excellent reasons along with the analysisfollowing the astrological principles, so that the correct predictions would come out.

So what is difference between these Nadi Astrologers and the other real good astrologers. Ifeel the former would purely use his training with Mantra or spirit without any astrologicalbackground. Another safe escape a for the nadi astrologers is that he would say that heread whatever was there and you have no means of meeting anddiscussing with him again.Where as the other astrologer is answerable subsequent for his predictions, of course hecan also escape saying that the birth time may be wrong, but it would be his moral dutyandcertify the birth time depending on the events and the birth date. The nadi astrologerssued the Vakya Siddhanta for casting the horoscopes and some times the position of planetsdiffer from what we get usually. One Tamil language expert told me that it is not possible toread the scripts understand.

Some say that astrology is not a pure service. I feel that other sources i.e. medicine, space

travel etc. Are also not exact andthere are failures in spite of lot of literature and research isavailable in these areas. Unfortunately the total literature, research andexperience in thefield of astrology is not available. It is true that no exact future can be told in astrology oreven in other sciences when the space rockets burst in spite of lot of computer calculations,experiments.


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OPI NI ONS OF OTHERS

It would be highly impossible to give here the opinion of others on Nadi astrology asinnumerable in many articles in 'The Astrological Magazine' since 1956 and books. HoweverI would like to state the crux from some articles, books my discussions with otherspersonally and via e-mail.

During my discussions with my Guru Late B.V.Raman in January 1998, he told "NadiGranthas can be broadly divided into Mantras and Tantric, the former mainly based on thepower and control of Kshudra Mantras but under astrological cover and the latter mostlymathematical and partly basis on Mahamantras. In 1953 Shri Narayana Sastry handed over

me the Nadi literature with a Mahamanta which I was cautioned should never be revealed toany on until and unless the instruction by way of a code word is revealed in nadi itself. Thelate Justice Ramesam Pantulu had such a work in his possession In my meeting with him hegave some details about Nadi Amshas but the secret of interpretation was not revealed justbecause the code word was never appeared in the grantha. Before his death, however, hecame across the code word according to which the nadi should be thrown into the sea whichhe did. The rational continues to be a mystery. Perhaps the original authors did not wantthe secrets fall into unscrupulous hands. Moneymaking was never their object. Upon thedivision of Nadi Amsha and its being tagged on to the positions of Jupiter, Saturn, Sun, andMoon it is mathematics. But when the amsha in a particular lagna is to be interpreted,something other than mere astrological precept becomes involved. It is only after therecitation of the clue mantra at this stage, for the prescribed number of times that the

results come more or less as a flash. Of course each nadi has certain definite results, asearlier serialized in 'The Astrological Magazine', but in applying these results to an undividedhoroscope the Sun, the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and other planets enter the picture. TheAmsha is tagged on to the amsas of the other planets also and automatically the astrologergets an image of the horoscope. I use the Nadi techniques only for purpose of rectifying thetime of birth on the basis of the amsha and some identifying facts. The dasha systemfollowed and of course Vimshothari though sometimes vague references are made to Jaiminiand Kalachakra. To me Markandeya Nadi, Madras gave 60% correct results, in 1935. ShriGupta in Madras got many Nadis - Sukra Nadi etc. Total number of Nadi are 72, out ofwhich 36 are mantra Nadis such as Sukra Nadi, Nandi Nadi etc. which are only 25% correct.Mantra Nadi are written then and there. There are 36 Tantra Nadis such as Rudra, Saptarishi, Brughu, Satya etc. Busantari Nadi gives about earthquakes, political set-up, availablewith Shri Nadis in Tamil. There are 36 Prasna Nadis and by using beetle nuts, beetle leaves

Dakshina, answers are given. They conceal some mystery to astrologer, Shri NagarajaSharma Astrologer tried to find out the source of tantra nadi and found nadi contains 150parts. Egoistic nature will not give results. One Nadi astrologer by Kshudra Ganapati Mantradied of cancer. By nadi astrologer reading, past will be correct and future wrong. FromOriental Library and Shri Nagaraja Sarma, each degree is divided into 150 nadi amsas andthe position of lagna, nadi amsha, Moon Saturn, Jupiter will give clues. IntegrateParasara+Jamini+Nadi Varahamihira says that astrologer should have no hatred , shouldhave contentment, ever joyful and satisfied well-versed in calculations (computers are therenow ) gift of having predictions, imagination, morality, ethics, principled. Don't predictdeath know Satyacharya's (Dhruva Nadi author) Pancha Siddhantha. Practice Mahamantrasnot Kshudra mantras to get mind clarity. Taking Shantis (remedial measures) is wrong toget money. Script in Kannada language on palm leaves immediately within seconds and


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then disappeared actually there was Ramayana, Bharatam on palm leaves earlier. Icontested many scientists and told them Astrology is not superstition"

My Guru, Late Shri Divakaruni Venkata Subba Rao, write his book "Jyotish Siddhantam" inTelugu language (out of print) about Tatwa/Antartatwa iddhantam to rectify the birth timeto match the lagna, moon rasi day of birth for male/female birth amounting to a minimumlevel of 12 seconds duration of birth time difference which is equipment to Nadi Amsha.Then only the detailed life pattern can be predicted with the actual planetary configurationand with the other Vargas (divisional) charts.

Late Shri R.Gopalakrishna Rao (nick name Meena) suggested starlords (jeeva planets) ofthe planets, gunas of planets (Satwik, Rajasik and Tamasik), Sareera of Planets (Star lord ofJeeva Planets), Lordships, relationships in his book Nadi Astrology (Stellar Astrology) 3volumes (out of print). He stated that "in South India, great men with deep insight into theknowledge of planets and Heaven, were able to cast various astrological charts which form

the essence of the Nadi Granthas. Some may say that even the Nadis fail to give correctpredictions. But I can boldly say that the Nadis need fail. The person, using the Nadis fails,because correct prediction depends on the accuracy of the questioner's birth chart in theGranthas. If a clever astrologer who is in possession of the nadi could get at the properchart he can read accurate predictions. The method that I have pursued and which I havepresented in the pages of the book, is an ancient one. It has hitherto been kept confidentialwithout being brought to light., The authors of this method have recorded Nadis on palmleaves. What was possible to Sages is equally possible to those who take pains toinvestigate and understand the science correctly by the method herein revealed.

In the "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" book by Shri R.G.Rao, the karakatwa of the planets and rasisare given importance and Jupiter transits in the houses and over planets will decide events.Lagna is not important. The sequence of planets in the chart is important to be noted to

give predictions. The natal chart combinations and transits are to be judiciously understoodalong with effects of retrograde planets and parivartana planets.

In "Chandra kala Nadi" books 3 volumes by Late Shri R.Santhanam, transits of a planet invarious Navamshas with respect to its lordship and benefic and malefic Navamsha are givenimportance.

In "Sapta Rishi Nadi" book by oriental Library Chennai the rashi chart is only considered andthe depositor of the planets is considered. Lagnawise some ready made charts are discussedfor various aspects of life for some lagnas only.

In "The Astrological Magazine" the general life patterns of some of the Nadi Amshas from

Dhruva Nadi were published

My friend Mr.Barry Pittard of Australia, sends email to me stating " I have found repeatedevidence - both in my explorations at first hand and from sending out well over twothousand emails to people who could possibly help many accurate details can be discoveredabout one self. In 1998 Shanti (new my wife) and I explored nadi readings at Libraries atVaitheeswarankoil and therefore shortly able, I also visited a library at Chennai. Yet again, Ifound stunningly accurate information. Moreover it too corresponded with informed themfrom both the Vaitheeswaran koil and Tanjore Libraries. We found our names and familydetails including our parents names. He also said that they got the thumbprints of his wife'sparents by fax from Australia and the readings were incredibly accurate about them.


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Shri K.N.Rao in his article "Thumb and Horoscope" mentioned "while in Calcutta, I heard ofabout an astrologer near Dumdum who prepared horoscopes in all cases of unknown birthsfrom one's thumb I never met him. Through a very senior Guru Bhai who knew him well and

patronized, I sent him a request if he would prepare the horoscopes of those whose birthdetails were well known and made it clear that it was not to test him but to know howdependable his method was. I further clarified that I would like to use it for the verificationof birth time in cases of doubtful horoscopes. I sent five persons to him. In three cases hegave us correct degrees of all planets and the lagna. He was not given any birth details. Hedrew out the whole horoscope from the palm particularly of the thumb. The mostremarkable fact which showed have struck me was that the degrees of the planets he gavefrom the palm and thumb was what Lahiri's ephemeris had given to me . he used the workChitrapaksheeya Ayamsha". Sri K.N.Rao published the readings about him from DhruvaNadi given to him by Dr.B.V.Raman in one of his books.

Shri Kannan in his article "My experiences with Nadis -X 1" in the Astrological Magazine"June 1969 stated "Thus, after investigating all types of nadis what I have learnt is as notedbelow:- Nadis have been written on the basis of nadi-amshas, but they require alterationsbased on the localities and planetary positions. Nadi writer wrote horoscopes upto certainfuture periods only for each. That is why some nadis appear and some disappear if anyquerent funds no leaf for hi, it is due to the fact that bundles written must have destroyedby nadi holders of the past or otherwise lost by the successors. Apart from this kind of loss,some persons may not be in the scheme of a particular nadi at all and hence there may notbe a leaf. For instance, in my case, according to Sukhar's scheme, I should have had 6children but I had 8. The last two had no leaves in Sukha Nadi. When questioned about thisin Prasna Kanda, it was stated that there was nothing to be worried about their longevityand the scheme of Rishi Vakyam was only like that. Somehow I got the readings for them insome other nadi. Nadis generally have some stock method of giving predictions withoutbothering and without meticulous calculations. Most of the good nadis have mastery over

the subject and have a good sense of judgement taking into account all the good and badpoints. Astrologers usually linger or persist in a particular view. Regarding prescription ofmedicine, the nadis follow Ayurvedic system for the known ailments without resorting toparticular herb for a particular afflicting planet. A nadi is able to find out not only thequerent's thought but also the e exact time of consultation. In my case Sukhar stated whenI exactly consulted each bhava or vakyam. Though cent percent results cannot be expected,nadi gives some correct predictions also and these depend upon the quality of the nadiconsulted. If a nadi stipulates a fabulous figure of fees it has to be understood that it is themischief of the astrologer. All the nadi invariably prescribe shantis (whether warranted ornot because every one will have some defect or other in the horoscope. This is ruse forgetting money. One has to investigate the reasonableness of it before adopting. Very goodpredictions can be expected from a prasna nadi for the immediate future. But long rangepredictions fail mostly, probably because they could not check up correctly all the relevantpositions. In the matter of daily prasnas, the nadis seem to have followed only " NandiVakyam" method of giving results based on planetary position and not on Stellar basis. Inthe matter of judgement one h as to give importance to the position of the dispositor fromthe Bhava which seems to act best. The nadis have got always some curse asMr.Chidambara Iyer expressed and it is found most of the nadi holders have to experiencedifficulties and calamities. There seem to be law connecting the particular time of writing anadi and the next time of consultation. This is the most secret method to be investigated.For instance, Sukar's Prasna Kanda was written long ago. When the nadi holder opens atrandom a leaf his eyes fall on a letter which furnishes information about the personconsulting that day. What is that law? Can any body demonstrate ? At any rate these are allmysterious to me. With these I close these series and if anybody has any tangibleinformation to unravel the mysteries pointed out, it will certainly be useful to all. 52. Of


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course, there are others who say that the thumb impression is used only as identificationand to impress you. And the reader would find out from you the birth details by his cleverrandom type of question s and remembering the answers and then arriving at the exact

details make the chart from their ephemeris for that date of birth in their library room, readthe results from standard charts recorded in ancient times matching your , lagna etc andthe whole thing was a manipulation. There are some others who say that they consulted allnadis but did not find their leaf and felt that the whole thing was a hoax. Some others saythat there are lot of cheating nowadays in how they operate it and they are peoplemonitoring behind the screen in other room listening to you and there is no nadi reader livein India today just try giving a thumb he will be able to find the details some others say thatthe readings for foreigners have been exploited .from other leaves some say that the nadireaders would invoke a "spirit" which would smell the thumb print and tell them what Indexleaves are to be picked up, which are only some old recorded life patterns and as he turnsleaf after leaf while questioning as usual routine process the spirit would tell him at certainstage to read the correct date though it won't be there on that leaf. Some say that time ofbirth and lagna are given by nadi reader which has not matched when checked on computerlater. Every one had different experiences with the nadi Jyotish. It would be difficult torecord all the experiences in this limited space.

SOM E DOUBTS AND QUESTI ONS

In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions which arise on Nadi Jyotishare consolidated here as far as possible at random:- What is the real origin of this NadiJyotish?Are they really written by some Sages and only by professional astrologers?Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves in those times?Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to be taken?In what language they were written originally?

When were they translated into other languages?How many bundles of leaves are available in total?Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different ?Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or something appear then and there?Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadi astrologers?Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and birth data from< the thumbimpressions?How the exact names can be told?What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the index leaves from hislibrary from thumb impression?How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines was written without anynormal language form of script ?

How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could not be understood?Why do the readers give the future readings from the date of consultation only at someintervals of age only?Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wise generally?How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes?Is there any privacy issue?Why do some readers ask y u to come again?Which collections are considered largest and carefully reserved etc?Which nadi readers are held reliable?How the small place in Tamilnadu,Vaitheeswaran koil has got different readerseven in small houses offering readers.?Are there leaves were distributed amongst members of that family for their


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different businesses charging different fees?What is the material and sole of the leaf and and how they have preserved solong?

Are they rewritten at different intervals of time?How are they trained and how long?How the leaves are with mostly a particular sect of people who are doing business fromthem?How do they link up the index leaf with the actual leaf of general Kandam and otherchapters of?How can some readers say that such and such person is going to consult on that day?Do the readings for the same person from different Nadis match exactly?Do the readings for the same person from the same nadi reader from the same nadi takenat different interval of time say a year later match exactly?Are you really to be destined to consult Nadi?How many consult Nadi?Are the past readings given always perfectly correct ?How far the future reading goes perfectly right upto what time to nearby future or to longfuture also?Do the reader himself involved in giving correct readings, includes his trainingand experience?Why do the remedial measures given in Shanti Kanda mostly refer to theGods/Goddess /Temples in Tamilnadu?Why do they prescribe the alms to be given to the nadi reader and is it reallywritten on the leaves ?Are they actually reading what was written on the leaves ?Why are some of them in some form of trance with half closed eyes as if they arenot reading it from the leaves at all?Why don't nadi readers give your leaf to you, if it really belongs to y u?

Can you read what is written there?Will they show it you?How many readings are there on each leaf?How many index bundles are normally to be scanned to arrive at your data?How many leaves are there in each bundle?Do they read without thumb impression, if the chart is given ?Are the previous life readings given in different Nadis for the same personwould be the same?Is there any luck in the leaves from the previous life to the present life tothe future life ?How far the remedial measures given work?Why do every nadi reader prescribe shanti definitely for every person wheneverconsulted?

Why do the chart given by them differ from the one prepared by you in computers?Is their ephemeris from Vakya Siddhanta as told different from others and howfar is it correct?Why do they tell the firth date, month and year in Tamil calendar and thencorrelate it Christian calendar, is it because the records were in Tamil ?If the records were in Sanskrit or Telugu language, how are the birth data found in whichcalendar?Why are the readings are only at intervals of 1 year or 2 hrs etc ?Are they following only the transits of major planets of Jupiter Saturn etc?Why do they give readings of future events only age wise, not at a particularcalendar date, month and year ?Do they know astrology at all?


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Do they tell the exact names of twins , if the thumbprints are given ?Do they give the readings without the presence of the person consulting and with the datepresented by some person?

Do they give the reading by post if the required data is given and fees sent?How far they take the responsibility if the future readings given by them do notcome true and what excuse do they give in such cases ?Is whole thing a foax only?Is there cheating by them?Are there any real astrological principles involved in those Nadis?Why do they charge exorbitantly which many poor people cannot afford?Do poor people are distend to consult them?Is it worth spending lot of money in finding out the tricks of this nadiastrology?Is it possible to do any research at all in this filed?Are there any Nadis with some Swamijis or in some Ashram or with some otherpersons who are not using it for professional commercial purposes and givereadings when consulted?Are there any Nadis published fully, if so in what language?Why do some astrologers, who have got nadi Grantha not publish it completely in a bookform?Are there other aspects natural calamities, political set ups wars, countries etc written alsonadi granthas other than about persons and if so why don't they publish it before hand?Are these Nadis written restricted to certain regions only, if so within how many kilometers/miles and within what longitudes and latitudes?Is there any law, which is given in the Nadis to extend it other persons and other regions?How can a few bundles of leaves ,however large they re cover all life patterns of allpersons?What the addresses of all the nadi readers?

Are there any persons who are really doing any genuine serious research to find out thesecrets of the nadi Jyotish if so what are their addresses and what are their findings so far,have they published their research anywhere?Are there any persons who are exchanging their experience and research with each in thisfield and if so what are their addresses?Are there any persons who had consulted all Nadis about them personalities and publishedtheir readings comparing and verifying the results if so what are their addresses?Why can't the nadi readers tell the exact names of the wife/husband before marriage, butcan tell the e names of after marriage?Why can't they tell the names of the children when they can tell your name, yourwife/husband name and names of parents?Is there any danger or calamity or curse or those who possess these nadi granthas and totheir families when they practice it?

How did Sage Satyacharya, supposed to be inventor of nadi amshas of 150 write thegeneral life patterns for each nadi amsha and to what percentage they match with aperson's life pattern, if the person birth amsha falls in one of the nadi amshas or is it thatthe person should select the nearest nadi amsha pattern which matches with most of his lifeevents and if it is to be chosen for a newly born baby who has not much specific events tocheck then how to fix up the nadi amsha?Is there any method, if at all any, to draw the nadi amsha chart just as other Vargas(divisional) charts and if so how to prepare such a nadi chart and how to use it vis--vis rasiand other Vargas charts (though it is not mostly known how to use the known Vargas chartsthemselves specifically for a particular event in life!)Which are the mantra Nadis , the tantra Nadis, prasna Nadis etc and what are thedifferences and how do they operate?


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Where are we now in our research on nadi Jyotish in finding out the secrets, when theyhave existing from so many years?Are there any specific astrological principles used in nadi Jyotish literature other than

normal principles enunciated in standard ancient text books by sage Parasara,Jaimini,Varahamihira, Mantreswara, Vidyanatha, Kalidasa, Venkatesdaivagna, BhaskaraJyotish, Bhruhatjataka, Phaladeepika , Jatakaparijata, Uttara Kalamithra, SarvarthaChinthamani, Bhavadeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali etc ?Do the nadi readers allow to record all the questions they ask as they proceedwith the index leaves and is there any person who got such recorded data in his personalcase and if what is his address?How can the Nadi Reader tell that your parents are alive when y you consult him when theyare alive and tell that they are dead when you consult him after their death and can such athing can be told from applying normal astrological principles?Similarly how can h e tell the exact number of brothers and sisters and at age you weremarried etc and can these can be told so precisely from any normal astrological rules?Will all the Nadis give the e life span for a person or different life spans, when the namesand chart and other past details match exactly in all Nadis ?Why some Nadis mention certain age as "Gandam" (danger to life) and if it is surpassed theperson would live upto certain other age ?Has anybody found any clues to give exact predictions from the text books available in themarket on nadi Jyotish presently such as "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao,Devakeralam (Chandrakala Nadi )3 vols by Shri Late R.Santhanam commentary on"Saptarishi Nadi" by Shri J.H.Bhasin, "Transits of planets on they birth chart" lesson of nadiare the essence of astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Kashyapa Hora - essesnce of nadi astrology"by Shri R.G.Rao, "Nadi jyothisha or the Stellar system of astrology"(out of print) by ShriLate R.Gopalakrishna Rao (Pen name meena) "Satya jatakam (basis of Dhruvanadi) SageSatyacharya, "Practical Stellar Astrology (Based on Nadi Principles) by Shri Late NVRaghavachari (Pen name Meena II), "Nadi system of Prediction (Stellar-theory) by Shri

Rattan Lal , "Doctrines of Suka Nadi Retold - mysteries of nadi system of astrology unfurled"by Shri Late R.Santhanam, "Profession from the position of planets -in rare nadi granthas byShri RG Ro, "Vedic Astrology and career" by Shri V.Raghuraman, "Your Destiny in thumb"by Shri R.G.Rao "Bhrigu Sutram Sage Bhrigu, "Bhrugu Prashna Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao,General life pattern from Dhruva Nadi and Nandi Nadi published for some Nadi Amshas inthe "Astrological Magazine", several articles published on Nadi Astrology in the AstrologicalMagazines " other magazines and new papers etc etc?Has anybody able to correlate the standard astrological principles with the nadi astrologypredictions authentically?Can exact birth time be told by Nadi Readers?Whether the Nadi reader and the translator add anything on their own while reading andexplaining?

FURTHER RESEARCH REQUI RED

Though one can try to find out answers to all the above questions I feelthat further important research required to be carried out in nadi astrologyshould be concentrated on the following points:-

Whether a complete Natural Birth chart with planetary positions and lagna withexact degrees and birth data can be formed from the thumb impression?Why a right hand thumb impression for male and left hand thumb print for femaleshould be taken?What is the technique used by Nadi Readers to pick up the Index leaves bundles from the


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thumb print and subsequent Kandam leaves?What are the scripts written on the leaves?Whether the Nadi Readers reads the same thing on the leaf?

Whether we or the experts in linguistics can read the same and understand?Whether there is any script at all in the leaves?Can we record what all he reads and questions leaf after leaf till he arrives atour data in the index leaves?Whether he writes the same thing in the notebook, records in the audiotape and translates?Do the leaves contain some old records of life histories of persons written inolden days for certain planetary configurations for research for future cyclesand if so how to modify the results for the present consultant's chart which and could beonly a nearby chart since it takes very long time to get to the same planetary configurationagain?How one can tell exact names, numbers of brothers and sisters with help of achart even with exact degrees of planets and lagna?Can we get our leaf from the Nadi readers and even if so will it be of any use?Whether the same nadi reader from same nadi grantha gives same results whenconsulted at different time intervals, say one year?Why the nadi readers gives results age-wise only for events, not particulardates?Would they use mostly the transits of major planets on the natal chart to tellevents?Would different readers of same nadi give different results?Would different Nadis give different results?Why the remedial measures (Shantis) are prescribed for every one whetherconsulted at any time, why they are mostly connected to Temples/Gods/Goddessesin Tamilnadu only, whether they work at all to overcome the difficulties readin the leaves or is at another gimmick of the nadi reading to get money from the person

consulted by invoking fear and faith into him?Why not collect as much data as possible from persons who consulted nadi along with theirexperiences about the veracity of the future predictions?Is it possible to find how the past life data is given by nadi readers and checkthe same?Is there any method to link the past life data with the present and futurereadings?Which nadi and nadi reader is giving more accurate results?Is there any way to arrive at nadi astrologers principles in correlation withthe normal standard astrology , as given in the palm leaves by the nadi readersor is the whole thing a process of hoax using some Upasana of spirits or Mantraby the nadi readers?What percentage of correct results would come from nadi readers compared to the readings

from well-experienced sincere normal astrologers?Can one can erect a nadi amsha chart (1/150) and use it for exact predictionsalong with other Vargas charts?Can one find out how the general life pattern is given for each nadi amsha?Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place or at different places at same timeread by different nadi readers and what are the results?Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place read by the same person atdifferent times say a year later and what are the results and are they same particularly withrespect to the future events?Whether anybody got the results without knowing the birth date/month/year/lagna/Moonrasi and nakshatra/chart and if so how?Whether anybody got the exact name of wife / husband before marriage?


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Whether anybody got future results every year or only at intervals of 2 to 3years or at some random future ages?Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis?

Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis?Whether anybody got the future result about the birth of a child male or femalespecifically?Whether any astrologer could succeed so far in analyzing the results given bynadi as per the known astrological rules?(ask astrologers)?How many are visiting the nadis and getting results also not finding their nadileaves.(ask nadi readers)?What would be the percentage of people consulting nasi?Whether anybody recorded the various questions asked by the nadi reader leafafter leaf in the index bundles till he hits the correct one with exact names number ofbrothers and sisters etc?

CONCLUSI ON

I have discussed many important points on nadi Jyotish as far as possibledue to restriction of space from my experience. It is farther for the readers and experiencedastrologers to get into real research into the mysteries of this nadi jyothish. Since thisresearch would be very long time process involving lot of expenses, it will not be possiblefor any single individual to carryout this research. I earnestly request all serious researchastrologers to come together exchanging their information freely on this subject, which isvery easy now a days because of inter-net and E-mails. I also request the rich individuals,trusts, government, private agencies, Swamis, Ashrams help financially for this research. Ipray God also to help all these astrology research aspirants to unveil the secrets of thisancient Nadi Jyotish uplifting the Vedic astrology for the benefit of world community. I alsogive my blessings to all those sincere young astrologers with their advanced computer

astrology software to succeed in their research efforts.

OM SHANTI.

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