J'accuse aux arabs

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Convert inquires: Are the Arabs Muslims? Bad conduct ofArabs disqualifies them as Muslims

Poll: Are the Arabs Real Muslims? (3 member(s) have cast votes)

DO YOU AGREE WITH DR. HAMID THAT ARABS ARE BAD MUSLIMS?

Yes! Hamid has told the truth about Arabs! (2 votes [66.67%])

Percentage of vote: 66.67%

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NO! Arabs are "top of the line" Muslims (1 votes [33.33%])

Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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Vote

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:36 AM

I certainly am glad that I decided to take a close up look at Islam by going to Pakistan andnot Palestine. I have been discerning, alhamdulillah, that these Arabs cannot be Muslims,because if they were, they would be similar to the Pakistani muslims who are producing the"fruits" of kindness, hospitality, faith and humility, but instead the Arabs are just theopposite. It is clear that the Arabs have never read the bible, as the Koran requires of aneducated muslim (see 5:45). You can tell that Arabs are ignorant of the Bible because theygo by the old jew law of revenge (revanche - sick! unislamic) and not of Jesus' laws of loveand forgiveness. Just consider that they are the only "muslims" showing this ick evilvisciousness in this sunnie shi'ite schism - new converts like myself are shocked to see thatpeople claiming to be muslims would be doing things like this to one another in the samereligion.

I accuse you arabs as follows:

YOU ARE BIGOTS! YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND, BETTER THANTHE OTHERS. We know this by the fact that you would never let one of your daughtersmarry out of the palestinian group, making your group not only bigots but inbreds.

THE ARABS DO NOT PROMOTE ISLAM (they will deny this because they will say "well weeven invented the word DUWA (preaching)" but look at their conduct:1. They say that important Pillars of Islam are to go to Mecca and Medina for Hajj andUmrah; and we all know they put your Islamic Qualifications down if you don't use theKoran in ARABIC! All of these things are BAD because they are not done to promote Islambut to promote ARABIA one of the most desloate areas in the Allah's earth!! These thingsHajj, Umrah and Arabic are barely in the Koran, you have to search for them! THESETHINGS ARE HOLDING BACK ISLAM because the Arabs are saying that this is what isimportant in the Koran; but they thereby conceal the real thruth of the Koran which is:!

2. They are not telling anyone what the real truth of the Koran happens to be - that we mustfear Allah by obedience to his prohibitions; that we must do good deeds towards our fellowman; that we must have faith in the munificent personality of Allah! If you are saying thatArabic must be used, you are stupid and not a muslim. If you are promoting #1 and not #2above you are as bad as the Arabs and will surely be barred from the upcoming kingdom

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where we will enjoy life like never before. Why aren't these Arabs telling anyone aboutparadise and how good conduct, good deeds and faith are what can get us in there;.

BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS, THE ARABS PROVE THEMSELVES BY JESUS' TESTINGRULE (by their conduct (FRUITS) you will recognize what they are, whether good or bad.)BY THIS TEST, THE ARABS ARE SHOWN TO BE JUST AS MUCH IMPOSTORSPRETENDING TO BE THE MOST PIOUS MUSLIMS AS THEIR SEMITIC COUSINS THESO-CALLED "JEWS" WHO ARE NO MORE THE ORIGINAL CHOSEN PEOPLE THAN I AMADOLF HITLER. (see www.nkusa.org and jewsnotzionists.org for the truth about theimpostor jews and see how they compare to their cousins the arabs )

Which of you muslims on this "aimislam" communication channel agrees with the above?How can you argue with the facts: ARABS OUT 0F ISLAM!

Please sign and copy and past and return:

I AGREE WITH THE NEW REVERT DR. HAMID ABOUT THE BAD ARABS!

Ali_Imran

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:45 AM

QUOTEARABS OUT 0F ISLAM!

You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold ofIslam.

؟نيسحلا ءآنبا نيا ؟نيسحلا نيا ؟نسحلا نيا

؟ءالبركب لؤتقملا مدب بلا�طلا نيا

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE(Ali_Imran @ May 10 2007, 04:45 AM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18366)

You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold ofIslam.

so the sunnie arab says:"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"as he blows up the golden mosque

and then the shi'ite says:"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"


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as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the goldenmosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists)

and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what theseArabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram?

and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim isa man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action.

SpIzo

Posted 10 May 2007 - 12:31 PM

Who's Dr. Hamid?

Guest_Cyan_Garamond_*

Posted 10 May 2007 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 10 2007, 07:51 AM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18368)so the sunnie arab says:"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"as he blows up the golden mosque

and then the shi'ite says:"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the goldenmosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists)

and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what theseArabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram?

and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim isa man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action.

Not even all members of the same family are the same or think alike. How, then, can allArabs or Iranians, Sunnis or Shias have alike character or traits? Please give this a littlemore thought lest you are guilty of labelling and slandering men/women of God.

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Omega

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:20 PM

it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they areconsidered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger.being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us

Guest_Ya_thar_Allah_*


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Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:43 PM

Based on this 'logic' all Arabs are not Muslim because they are as claimed 'too nationalisticand whatnot' . What if I said that I am 'Arab' and am very much against nationalism . Doesthat not kill your theory that all Arabs aren't Muslims because they are nationalistic ? If wewant to look more into this topic; we can easily prove that many Muslims have contradictedIslam with their actions; Arabs and not alike . Inorder to judge others; shouldn't we beflawless beings first ?

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Omega @ May 10 2007, 04:20 PM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18381)it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they areconsidered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger.being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us

A good point, brother or sister. It's just too bad that as Islam is now under inspection by thewhole world that the Arabs have to take the high ground as if these criminal rebels againstAllah are its finest representatives. It does not take a prophet to see who among us is notdoing good deeds, or is executing prohibited acts and we need to loudly condemn the oneswho are doing these things so that innocent believers studying Islam will not be misled intopossibly not even studying Islam. We should direct the world's attention to Free Kashmir,for one example, where the nicest and kindest followers of Muhammed live. Muhammadwill be proud of them! I just love the muslims in Kashmir and I can't wait to get back there.Who wouldn't? Kashmiriyat originated there!LoveRasool

Omega

Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 PM

i think there is a huge different between accusing some1 of not being a Muslim, andcondemning them. if people are oppressed or rights are violated it is our place to condemnthose actions. but it is not our place to say they are not Muslims.

Laraib

Posted 11 May 2007 - 06:50 AM

Oh my!That's quite a generalization. Some arabs blow up mosques and are violent thus All arabsare violent and blow up mosques... You see the problem there brother? And like everyonesaid, We're no ones to decide who's muslim and who isn't.As for the poll, I do not agree with either statement. Not all arabs are like you mentioned inyour posts and not all arabs are "top of the line muslims".

Wasalam


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This post has been edited by Laraib: 11 May 2007 - 06:52 AM

Inability is a disaster; patience is bravery; abstinence is a treasure, self-restrain is a shield;and the best companion is submission to Divine Will-Imam Ali (AS)

faress

Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:50 AM

Salamthere are good and bad in everywhere .and because this Jomo3ah and due respect to all the Muslims here..I would have wished to shop your head off you [EDITED]like it or not Arabs are chosen people .like it or NOT Arabic is the language of quraan .like itor not Arabic is the language of heaven.Like it or not teh prophet is Arabian ..LikE IT OR NOT Ahlo al bayet are arabian..Like it or not we are here living harmony whether as Arabs or persian or others ..Like it or not palistine is no better than punkistan nor pankistan is better than palistine.No an Arab is better than a non except by piety.the problem is that been a shiaa is the problem of many Muslims.because they can not defeat their arrogance and Follow the scripture and those withauthority .you sure have a disgusting old game as you've just signed in into this forum.[EDITED]well if palistinians and Arabs had nukes and punkistan was occupied there is no way theywill be ignored and left behind.palistininas are left behind ignored ..kicked from their homes ..families separated put inconcentration and israeli detention..many do grwo complexed and in pain.yes many of them have bad temper and are away from islam ..but would you blame them orthe ones that ignored helping them?Arabs ? palistinians are Not All Arabs just as most Arab countries..ya think every saudi ispure Arab?ya think ussama bin laden is pure Arab? yemen speak Arabic as he is from yemen but Arethey pure Arabs?Faresi are not Arabs are they compared to Arabs by faith or by mother tongue?[EDITED]I wish that I made some since otherwise try..take your wives you and your convert friendsto israeli soldiers and preach them Love and hapiness whilst you are watching.and forgive them when they shoot your kids in front of you.you are lucky this is internet and this is Friday.what do you expect Arabs to do ..they are teared apart ..instead you should Lokk not only tonegative attitude but also help revive teh nation and Ummah ..because even a stnkypalistinians won't let you down if you come saying I'm Muslim help me.but I guess some people just don't like to be shiaa of teh truth.and abide by islamboundaries and banner.Forgivness their members and readers but this post is an example of the bias andpropaganda led against our Ummah add hatred that meant to be amongst sunnis and shiaaand our other various beautiful combinations and races that Islam is proud of as whole


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ummah.May Allah swt protect us from evil and haters and evil doers and preachers of things thatthey don't do .

[Modnote: Please refrain from using abusive language. The OP made this topic to debatehis preception. His preception is not something which is written in stone rather his thoughtswhich could have change however by taking the attitude you have done you have made itclear to the OP what his topic was about. How about debating sensibly and using mannersrather than degrading the discussions with insults]

This post has been edited by A Follower: 12 May 2007 - 05:09 PM

Don't ask me if I'm Arab برعلا فارشا نم هللا دبع

Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom.

faress

Posted 11 May 2007 - 12:16 PM

DOHA, May 10, 2007 • Jewish spiritual leaders (rabbis) have not been silent on the issue ofill-treatment of the people of Palestine by Israel, a rabbi from New York said yesterday.

Roland Matalon said, intervening during discussions at an international inter-faith dialoguehere yesterday, that accusations that rabbis have been moot spectators of the atrocitiesbeing committed on Palestinians by Israel are untrue.

"The rabbis have never been silent on this issue. We have been talking about the sufferingsof the people of Palestine. We are for restoring their dignity. We want two states existingside by side where the Palestinians and Jews could live in peace as neighbours," saidMatalon. "We are not only praying for this to happen. We are working towards this end."

He was responding to comments made by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Dr (Sheikh) Tayseer RajabAl Tamimi that while Israel was perpetrating atrocities on innocent Palestinians and killingold men, women and children, the rabbis have been watching the gory goings on in silence.

Justice has so far not been done (to Palestinians), Matalon admitted responding to AlTamimi's accusations.

The discussions were being held after a panel of experts spoke of the role of mysticism inburying the differences among the follower of the revealed faiths (Judaism, Christianity andIslam) and bringing them together.

Speakers included Dr Souad Al Hakim, from Lebanon; Joseph Ehrenkrenz, from the US;


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David Lazar, from Israel; John Taylor, from the US; and Jerald Whitehouse from Venezuela.Professor Saad Harib, from the UAE; and Dr Mohamed Ben Breika, from Algeria, were themoderators.

A number of ideas to encourage mysticism (which remains overshadowed by materialism)were floated so as to help curb extremism and among them was to begin cultural exchangesbetween Israel and Palestine and people-to-people dialogue.

Lazar, in his address, suggested that a beginning to help narrow the yawning Muslim-Jewish divide can be made if Muslims begin learning the basics about Judaism and viceversa.

He said he had five daughters and all of them study the Holy Quran and Bible, aside fromtheir own religious holy book. "Let's make a beginning," he said.

In remarks to this newspaper later, he said that the Doha Conference has proved quitefruitful since it provides an opportunity for Muslim, Christian and Jewish religious leaders tointeract.

One-to-one meetings between delegates representing the three different faiths have beentaking place on the sidelines of the convention on sensitive community and religious issuesand on how to further dialogue, especially between Muslim and Jewish leaders.

"We will keep in touch with one another through e-mail and personal visits. This isimportant," said Lazar. "I am feeling quite at home here. Last year (during the lastinter-faith dialogue), it was my first visit to an Arab country, so I was a bit nervous," he said.



Hamid Rasool

Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:38 PM

YIPPEE! WE BAITED ONE BUT GOOD THERE, DIDN'T WE! HA HA HA HA HA!Hamid

Hamid Rasool


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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:54 PM

Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and whatarmy proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, sowatch your bad talk. Try reasoning. Everybody knows you have a right to fight back againstthe so called "Israelite" zionists because of their daily acts of war and everybody knows thatAmerica is equally guilty for always backing them whether they are right or wrong and theycouldn't do it without America, so that America makes itself an ordinary war target too sorelax, and peace be upon you please, people are starting to see what's happening. Let God'svengeance be God's bro; you might have inadvertently killed the apostle Paul with thatattitude since he started as an opposer, besides, when we take vengeance on someone theymight "receive their payment in full" so that Allah may not bother with them anymore so bekind to them and, from the jew-book it says that to do so will rake hot coals on their heads.Dr. Hamid Rasool(Pete Amschel, Hemet)

Sumaiya

Posted 12 May 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 12 2007, 12:54 PM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18472)Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and whatarmy proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, sowatch your bad talk.

and who is to watch your bad talk? Before asking others to watch their language, i suggestyou look at yourself. You obviously dont know any, or atleast very many, arab people to drawupon these conclusions. Having lived all over the world - i can tell you now, in an Arabcountry, with arab friends, that i feel much more happier, safer, secure and comfortablethan i did spending 8 years in America.

Everything you have said thus far in this thread, I find completely and utterly absurd; andmore than anything...racist.

Know that every culture has its faults - arabs have their faults in their societies, but theyalso have some good qualities that even I aspire to have some day. I guess thats the beautyof having lived all over the world. I am able to watch, observe and annalyze people and theircultures; and use it towards self development.

My question to you is; what is your intention on bringing upon such a lousy and racistthread? One that is not even based on fact, or popular opinion for that matter - instead itsone based upon ignorance.

I ask you to redefine, and requestion yourself - taking into the consideration the thingsmentioned already by other members. If your intent in making this thread is to merely sparkcontriversy and put down a certain group of people, then I'm sorry, this is not the place todo it.

this is offensive, silly and more than anything immature...grow up vietnam boy

ha - and no offense intended

faress


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Posted 12 May 2007 - 08:36 PM

Salam

You know why Allah swt have chosen us Summaya ?because we have no Racist attitude as majority of Children of Ismael Father ofMohames sw and SON OF Abraheem peace upon him.we are supposed to fight for other people's freedom and hear and obey Allahswt so the message can be spread and we have No control over people'sdecisions.Yet because we don't we have to Go through This Dramatic scene and Mockery.and No one will care if we get hurt in most times because we are The chosenones and we are no suppose to fail.if we do than the price is High.There will and shall be Time Sooner or Later Inshallah that our enemies willcolapse either by our hands or their own hands or simply Allah's wrath.They Mock the life of our people and destroy us one by one.yet we wait for a savior be he a strong ally and enemy such the country ofthis JockerEh Jocker peace upon you too viet veteran ....your thread is Full of hatred andbias and streotype but yet you have A muslim name was that your pass intohere ..you know I'm not offended ..you think I droped a Mask whilst you did See Bingo Jocker. ,)Anyways I have the right to go off Like that innit ? you are insulting my wholeRace .and willing to ask us to use the bible of Love and let the Crusaders and Zionistsbe Punished in the other Life because here they will be Punished in full if wedo it by our hands ?

We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except throughjustice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do nottake life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly,We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes totaking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a personunjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving allhumanity. (See 5:32.)

Brother Follower Thank you for the Clarification but I hoped you and your team spare acloser look to the other side as well because I'm sure that The Arabic Race didn't matter if itwas insulted on your site or not to be concidered a reasonable offence ..however if the Jocker from viet Army is not disguised my pleasure is fulfilled ..and Peace upon you all .Pss No woories if faresies or Other Races are insulted here we surely wouldn't leave youbehind without protesting .“Those who suppress their anger, and forgive other people – assuredly, God loves those whodo good.” (Quran 3:134)

The Prophet said:

“The believers with the most perfect faith are those with the most perfect conduct andmanners. And the best ones amongst you are those who are best to their families.”(Al-Tirmidhi)

The Arab MohamedAnd The Arabic Quran:“Surely, you (O Muhammad) are upon a high standard of moralcharacter.” (Quran 68:4)


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God also said:

“Indeed in the Messenger of God you have a beautiful example of conduct to follow.”(Quran 33:21)

As for the Supremist Power of distruction:“…why then did they not believe with humility? But their hearts became hardened, andSatan made fair seeming to them that which they used to do.” (Quran 6:43)

“Have they not traversed through the land, and have they heart with which they perceive,or ears with which they hear? Indeed it is not the sight which is blinded, but rather what isblinded is the hearts which are in the breasts.” (Quran 22:46)

and those who forsake The Truth including me Ameen.“And those who desire Guidance, He (God) will increase them in Guidance, and inspire themwith [the way to] piety.” (Quran 47:17)



A Follower

Posted 12 May 2007 - 09:21 PM

I suggest both of you Hamid and Faress take a look at the Sermon of the Prophet [pbuh] onhis Last Pilgrimage. Maybe then you would stop boasting about your arab pride and theother being discriminating against the Arabs.

And Faress, the Prophet [pbuh] and his family were sent to Arabia before the advent ofIslam not because Arabian people were good mannered or had great characteristics ratherit was the wisdom of Allah through which He sent his Prophet to Arabia. The people ofArabia at the time were in the age of ignorance and indulged in many many bad vices.

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O PeopleListen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the


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month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.

Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor anon-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nora black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn thatevery Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute onebrotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslimunless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, donot stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle willcome after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, andunderstand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and theSunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to meshall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last onesunderstand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah,that I have conveyed your message to your people."

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I hope that is clear for both of you.

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Bilaal

Posted 12 May 2007 - 10:30 PM

The original post was ridiculous and doesn’t deserve a discussion.

Thread locked.

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