Is survival predetermined in the critically ill

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ARE PATIENTS PREDICATED TO LIVE OR DIE? Mervyn Singer Bloomsbury Institute of Intensive Care Medicine University College London, UK

Transcript of Is survival predetermined in the critically ill

A R E PAT I E N T S P R E D I C AT E D T O L I V E O R D I E ?

Mervyn Singer Bloomsbury Institute of Intensive Care Medicine

University College London, UK

And prognostication can happen as early as the Emergency Department …

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C O R O L L A R Y

Does this explain the failure of so many ICU studies?

Progress in critical care in last 20 years relates to doing less iatrogenic harm to the patient

Critically ill patients are predestined to survive/die. And this can even be predicted as early as the ED

Modern medicine supports those predicted to live.. .. but prolongs death in those predicted to die

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40-50% mortality

… which occurs between 18-36h

survivors show marked clinical improvement by 72h

at 6 hours post-insult, clinical severity = mild

- eventual survivors indistinguishable from non-survivors

6 hour sampling of blood and tissue:

controls vs. predicted survivors vs. non-survivors

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OK, so we can predict death, … what can we do about it?

Can we ‘beat’ nature?

mouse CLP model bloods taken 6h post-CLP

- survival predicted on 6h IL-6 level

.. with a trend to harm in predicted survivors

- dexamethasone 2.5 mg/kg given 8 and 32h post-CLP

sick septic shock patients

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faster fall in troponin

better recovery of eGFR

faster reduction of NEPI

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Septic patients and animal models suggest outcome is

determined at an EARLY stage of critical illness

Does this mean we are merely delaying death in those

determined to die with current Rx paradigms??

Challenge is to use this knowledge to do something different

- and hopefully more effective - in those very likely to die

Using this to improve trial design would be a useful start