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Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs Spedal Investigation
Deposition of ScoH Reed
CONFIDEATUX: July 11,1997 "
MiZler Repofling Company, Inc. 507 C Street, NE.
Washington, DC 20002 (202) 54GG666 F M : (202) 5461502
#ginal File 071 ln?ed.asc. 225 Pages Min-W&@t@ Fite ID:03C%l3%14
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client that he hu to makc a phone all to fa&yrboutaa m imporepnt roamer. and the dicnt aays.WeU I'm going to 141 call YOU in vourof6ce.Hc sawl'mnot mins to k in my
[ti covcrcd by the attomeycllmt privikge. m YR. ROBB(ISS: You m?Lc whatever insauction you
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141 [a Chemical ,Huluhcturcrs. rn 0 HchadamleatNPF?
I: I think I saw him at a reception earlier in the
pi 0 Who (VZI Kip Howlcn? A Kip is a lobbyist hcrc in town. He works for thc
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[I] money already in exi$CenCC? rn k Idan'tbelicvcso.Ihiswusomcthingwtdid. ~sl a : S o , w h e n p u ~ y = t w w t ~ d i 4 s o m c ~ 14 either dom at your direction or somebody who .vaM for m you.thac wwe loan dscumcnu wluch were crated to pnresu
t k ~ ~ f l o w a i m o n + y ?
. . pa 0 WeUwouldyoucalkrohimnuytimcthcNPF (931 spoke to somcone at the RNC about inlusion of money? [q A He would knowcprcy lime &ere was goifg to be a 1151 loan that was made to the NPli]hs,bcmuse~orc i did iL pq I talked with him about it. [in 0 So. before you approved infusion of money into the
[ig A U I could find him.lhere may have bcen one M llol hvo insunces where I did it without his knowledge bemuse nil he was incommunicado. bur 1 would almvs tell him before
ICY NPfiyOu would speak to him?
;4 think it ultimatdygof to thehepoint where bodyw would m d J a y B u m i r y , w h o w a s o u r ~ ' dircctor.aYl [q explained cyUa.and hc would come across and tell me. (R 0 : u D h o ~ I h e w ~ ' who would call you?
A: usualby, tiley wouli l .~t ' r CMfCE1. 0: Burd on the NPF vlliho YOU why L e y needed money
[q don't belicw M gave them 100 percent of wtat they -ked m rvvytimc. [(I 0 Now. Mr. Weinsldn nix, inadvcrtu, fly a good (R point, which is are any of Lese form. to you knowledgc-
' [ I d and for wtut purposa.you & i i d mvir a isrrmruuon a i io 1 [iq whcrchcr or not the RNC would go ahad and-
(4 Was thm ever any t h e when the Nalronal P o k y Irm Forum ~ k t d the RWC Cor mom money when YOU dedincd?
A: Makc chat Loncorrcct. 1; a: -nukc rhat additrod la.
. - MR. ROBBM: okay MawuNSIEIw: d n that.
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[SI writicn q u e s t that the Na&nal Policy Forua~ w& oblycd rn w send over to the RNC for cash? m AIdonotrrmcmkr. [si pi and your approval of it prior to its bclng sznt lor
iim Droccuinr would all occur wilhout mv D a m IS rhat fair
0: So the National Policy Forum's rcquert br money
& Q : N & m o r e m o ~ . mi You would ralk to the &ahnun?
I- -- . - [ti Rcpublian National Comminrr. right? m Acorrcer,
. . [2q Q: B docummtion. I mean any kind ofdcraipuon 0 Would you tell him in your conversation onch fwn
at all o l k a t the money was goinn to go for. riht? m how much the loan was to k*
l r i t q A: Ya. . iiii 0: I'm -.With Mr. Dtnninn? ERUS me.
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(11 subsidiaries of foreign corporations who wanted to give m money to the Sational Policy Forum?
h 1 don't rcmcmbcr. I don't remember if somebody p] brought it to my attention or if it was just a common-sensc [q political isrue that ought to be bmught p his atuntioh (e which is what I did *lot of. m 0: Was it your understanding that~mcrican [e] subsidiaries of foreign corponcronS would be an Amcrian 14 source of money or foreign source of money?
(iq MR. WEINSTEW. I think rhis calls for a legal (11 ) conclurion. [la MA. ROBEINS: I uI1 not asking any question about 1131 thelaw. 1141 MR. WEINSTEU(. But you arc. in a scnx. I corm. (is if you want to try to rcphMc Uut,anybc wcclnhorlbout ItW this? u p u mrLc moor three I1Mltaqucrriont.unybc sae i t? can get to whae you want togo.in a way fhat doan't ask (14 him to become a lawyer. 11s MR ROBBIW): lrs in such a conciliatory spirit Rcq thatlcannottumthatdown. bel w WEUIISIEM: well, we ale herc volunruily. lpl MR ROBBIWS. But undcr mth. 12~i MR.WElNSTEMMoscdc6nitc&
p Q So let me ask you. was it your understanding-rm
111 not asking you to give me a legal opinion becluse you're not a lawyer, I take it, and you're not hue Y an cxpcn.Your
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(41 corpora ti^^ m corporations thanxh? rn MR. WEINSTUW. I don't think this is rclernnt 1 m am going 10 direct the witness not to answer that question. pi IWI. ROBBPIJ: Au [email protected]'s creative, uld M it's appmprle. then, undcr the circumstulcc.
[lq M u . w u " : pkrsc. 1 1 v BY YR RoBBIN9: eta 0: Did you have an understanding. sir. lhat foreign (t39 cotpcm?i#ts could contribute ro the Nuional poucV Forum? 1141 MU. WEINSTEW Go ahead. Go ahead and answer [Is thatquestion. Ita THEWITNESS:Yer. 117) BY MR. ROBBINS: trlS 0: what was your understanding? (iol m (4) and they could legally accept contributions. 1211 OFmmwhom? m m subsidiuics.
contribite. as distinct from f-
A That the National Policy Fwum was a Ml(c)C3) or
A From foreign companies with U N t d Scaca
' w 70 Ill a: Any legal couhxl any lawyer. m A Well 1 was under the impression that the National m Poky Forum had counsel, atad I lolcw the XNC had counsel. NI 0 My quution was. do you luve knowledge-or at m I c u t I think it wu. at kart I hope it wu-ofany m occasion in which legal counsel was utilized in C O M C C ~ ~ O ~ m with the activities of the National Policy Forum? iq MR. WEINSTEW: That's different rhan the &st iq one.You're saying did NPF ever get legal couR(LI with (cq KRyd to an-. or did NPF get 1 4 counsel with regard 1111 to an opinion on thir aped& kwe?This question is (la diffemt than the previous one. It* BY Mu. ROBBW: 1141 (cq cound,to your Imowledgc,withrespcct to its fund.nising 119 rtivitie&priod) (in I W 0p-M. et* a: who? m A: I'mm-LindaLorywasthccod.I'mnotsurc ~ 1 1 what Brm she's with. I think h a mame is tin& Long. rn rn M
[ii NPF at 4 7 m A 1don'tbelkrcso.lmayhrvcsKnha ~1 XuIYwhen. but I don't remrmba.mt was a couple of yews
a: Did the National Policy Forum cva utilized
A: They upilizcd courwd in mpcct to how they
a: Did you ever communiace wirh Linda Long? A: Not regar- NPF, 3 p e 6 6 d y . She was somebody
0: Well. did you eyer communicate with h a re- I241 1 m.
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(41 ago. 14 0 Didyouevascckkgdcounrclotherchan,for m today's pllqxsc. with rrspscl to fumkwng . . m the National Policy Forum? m &No. p! a: So,whcnyouwmccchismuwto,w.\(r.Bubour,did
119 you do so with the kncfit of legal c o d or without it? 1111 h N0lelplcolsl.w. cca 114 ATharrcomct. 1141 0: And ovlureva un&mtmdmg . you hpd about what i r q sources could and could not contribute to the National cia Policy Forum, wharcpa infornution you had c?mc &om tin yoursell! It didn't come &om any COnsultatiOn with a 114 llwya.corrcct?
m 0 Atanytime,didan$mdyniscwithyouthe e11 subject o€ somcbody who m i d d abroad contributing money to rpl thc National Policy Forum) m A N o .
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0: This was justa memo that you didon your own?
A: marscorrect
. . V4] Q: Did you hor an understanding that the NaIianl 0: At any tiw.did anytmdynw with you the m Policy Forum could r r c p t moneyhm forriM atizcns? -1: subject of whether or not a foreign corpontion could -
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p.oli 111 m fomgaciritcnr. [sl 141 cq 0 W a s i t y o u r w j m m d h $ d m o n l y ~ f l c o m p v l i c l a r t r i c h h r d A m a l a n ~ could contribute m IO the N~tionrl Policy Forum? [si w
[iq unduscmding) (111 A: MygencnlundusPnQingofpolifiuandthehey ita this town works. the way a lot of nompmfit organizations [in rakmonev.
A: I didn't know if it could rccpt money &om
0: Did the sub- MI c o m ~ up? A: Not-it wam't bmught up come.
A: That was my understanding. 0: From what source dw you dcrrvc that i
pi] interest in convlbuting to the Policy Forum, md I thought [ia the chairman needed to give rhc Poky FoNm leadcrdup
11131 direction on how to deal with that.
A: I don't r+mcmkr anyUung beyond the fact chat ,ctq somebody had wnrioncd to me IJUt TOyoP may have an
Pap. 78 (el contributemoney! m k W~Ibclievesomebadybroughtthcspecitir [g issue ofloyota to my amtion.
m to write Ibis -*
m I can rcmcmbcr about it.
MI a: whowas uut? A: I do not runumber. but that's what spurred mc on
Q: Tell me what the communiation was. everything you
. . 114 j pi a: was it your undcrspnding that ~oyoo. the foreipp
'19 corporation, wanted to contribute money or one of iu (iq Forum's activities? 119 Awrican subsidiaries? 117) /:VI A: 1 @urd it wa$ one of theAwrian subsidiaries.
few 0: AnnAmeriacorporntion?
r?R MR. WEINSTEW I don't think the St. Louis Im 0: SovouwouldhaverCpydCdthatasanAmmcan
0 Was here legal counsel that wu acitized for the purpose of rendering advice about the National Policy
MR. wuNsTE#: Legal counsel of NPF or RNC? UR ROES#& Legal counsl of che St. Louis
119 -. u ncearuy. 1119 A: Yeah.
Mlllrr R m d n o Cnmnanv. Inc. (15) pyrc 73 - Pane 78
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161 A Not to mvncolkcfionna.
.. m r: Monik had tok.prosidcd to dvt up mc
PI UlCRiiC? [ai A: Well. I'm not fully knowIcdgeable on all the money [si that the NPF was spending. but I klicvprhat rhe bulk of [a the money was supplied by the RNC to get the thing suure* m and how it operated, I'm not 1Wperccnt sure. 1 wu [Ill focusscdon rn Q: sure. M z n . though, is. 1 guess. ttmt in [IO] '93, '94, until Febnwy of '95. to your Lnoarlfdee,mcMt of [ i t ] the NPF's money was supplied by the Rcpublian National [la Committee! 1111 A Yes. [r41 0: kfom appmving the infusion of molt money born [IS the RNC to the NPF over the course of '93, '94, and OVQ
records? [IS] '95. did you ever ask the NPF for its 1111 MR WEINSTEIN I Wcve you --don. [iq Counrclor. [q MR. ROBBINS I'm not sure I did. but in any m CVULL I don't fullcmbcf the answer. 1211 THE WITNESS: I don't rcmcmk uking for their rn fundmising records. no. (nl BY MR. ROBBINS
0 Did you seck to get information about how they fzq were doing on r i l ~ r a i r i n g . spccifially?
[q m they were going to pay it back. PI a: WY? (41 A: Yes. m a: Did you ever ask to looknt any documents they had [SI which would reflect either what money they had niKd or m what their prospects were for wing money? [q A Not that I rcmembcr. no.That doesn't mea I 19 didn't. but I don't remember.
[iq Ill] A NO. 1 1 1 Q: So rhis money would be loaned by the RNC to the (14 NationaI Policy Forum without m y request that you're aware [iri of for actual dauwncption of their balance rhecu. what
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A: I would seck Y they would ask for money, how
a. You have no memory of d o i so?
Itol sir. rn BY MR ROBENS: all a n e vuwcr to that is?
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m [at Ih* h llate+sumpcd no56377 thmugh79. Of m course. I'm also the othu one-you and I llso am thc Mlly 14 pcople in the room who don't h o w how to work a compuw. m lirrdngto~cria.whatwuIh;lc?
[tal A moAwria WIS the rhcmc that was [I I] CLVrloped by the National Poiicy Forum to ti& the forums 114 that wtlc hcld on the rod. which was going to culminate [rq with the publication of a rbcumcnt. as I mentioned de, [ r q at the end of Ulc p~ocur alled Lirturing to Amcria. which [tq 1 klicrr was Ulrinntdy pubIishcd into a book [ieq 0: Did you have any rok in the dcvclopmcnt of chat (111 idea) Don't be mcdcst. [fq A: Not d y . b&du a strategic advice mk with [tq ?e duirmnn.~ I did- day on cvcryrhiry.but I wasn't
vi] 0: What was your rok? What was the stntcgic advice
im~ A: On the dircction that the p v ~ y ought M be caking wr] and rhc type of issues we ought to be calking about. Rs) Q: well, did you s p a k with the chairman about the
A: No" I Qn't.Whose documcnt is it? Q: 1 don't brow. I personally don't know.
mvolved in IJU building of it. no.
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Psp. ((1 listening toor(mcria idea? tz: &WWell.I'msureIdid 19 Q: Didyouspaktohimaboutrhedesirabdityof [d] having it? [si A About having it?- book?'TBe forums? what? [e) a: WWell.any0fchmL m A: W4Irhinlritwzrmorehcanrspalrinlltomof p) hirdainbilivtohaveit. [sl Q:Hirdesirctohaveit?
[rei A: Yes. [ I I ] 0: Sothcchaimnnwouldindiutcloyouthathc lrq ihou&t chc National Poky Forum shouId havc a Utening to Ita Amcria program, for lack of a better word? [14] A: corrm. [is 0: WhthamuldinvohcfontmsMundthecounWand
. . 12q A: That'rcomt. mi pa] Forum whctha they had any mitten hubmis i i pian of
Q: Did you m r ask m y bcdy at the National policy
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r2q you-you remrsnkr him s p a l d n s to you about his desire to n havethis?
u~tiumu pu~ia t ion ora book?
Q: So did he come up with the idea? A: I'm not sure who came up with the idea. I'm not
0: But in any event. Mr. Barbow would spak to
I241 YC5. 0 Did you play any role in i n m ~ t i n g if?
Pam 90 .- - . - - -. 111 pj for granted that they did
A: I don't rem+mbcr if I ever asked. but S took it I ['I k No, buida what l k told you about today with the lending the money. I didn't have any daytoday role
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0: Did you ever & one? A: I don't lcmembQ ever seeins one.
[q with it, 110. I was nmmging the committe~. J (41 0: WhethaitanrcbytodayornoSdidyouspakto .~ m 0: Soat no time that you can rehKmba prior to thcv 1 :st an- at the NPF, even from cimc to time. about the [q RW: approvals of more and more a s h to thc NPF did you at m kw ~eanyhm- plan for the NPR : m not bc &e right word. (81 A: Not that I rcmcmbu. no. mi A I'msureIdidaboutmaInngsurc~araegoing 19 4: Orevrruktosecone.concct? on. I'm M I did. '
[iq A: That's correct. [iq 1111 [I II Listening to Awria f o w ailable to COP candidates?
(19 1r# of UK co~~lllywl-. So I don't know if it was necessary I141 m k e d for idcnti6cation.l 1141 for w to haw that discussion. [iq MR. ROBBINS Now, may I show him the lcNIf '119 0: Was it rommon sense that one of,& purposu of
1111 chc document which was muM as -bit I? (111 A: L. It wasn't vi- u an q=v to assist Itat MR. WNNSIEW: Is that the actual dorummt? l[ra] COP candidates. E v e n if I'm not mistaken. DemOcnts were [IQI M E WilNE55: Do you want this one> ,i:q utritcd 10 k involved in the forums on the road and to
311 0. Yes.You arc rtuaUy looking at Exhibit 1. Can 'pq 0: Fair mough. W m there divuuions at RVC staff Inl p u identify this dter you have had a chvrcc to rcad i!? I rzzj mcclngr about the Zlationai Policy Forum?
progress of rhc Liswdng toNouM program? -PrOmlIl' may
0. Did you taIk to anybody at the XPF about arakmg MR. ROBBINS Let's have the first Qcumcnt &cd
(Reed Ocpaurion Exhibit No. I 119 as an cxhiblt. '[la A: I don't rrmcmba Speaking4 -. tlut WU kind
[iq exhibit? Is there any reason why I can't, ~IM to show him
R4 BY NR ROBBINS: 'm speak.
I [iq these r~y.mr was to U t GOP s?
sing d0cument.l p j A: Yes. RVC staff mcctmgs.
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01 141 never covered it back then. [q ((11 information that a foreign corpomtion could contribute to m the National Policy F o m ? (81 A: Yes. (91 0 Fromwhom?
A: 1 have since understood that they can. 0: Did you understand back then that they could? A I had never-rhis is new w a e for me. I had
a. At any limc in '93 or '94. did you I)?w
. . (141 [iq money to rhc N P E W s comct. iiq 0: Andyoulvlewchtitcouldn'ttotheRNC.co~r! [tr] A Yes.
A: A COrrign-fOrrign cOrpo&on could Ieay@ve . . 1'41 ~ ~ ~ w h r t t i m e p c n o d ! [tq U R A O ~ F ~ ~ n I h c y a r o C o u r L a r b (14 MLwlTMEss No. ltrl u F L A o ~ - u n t i i c h c p r c M r i n l . c x ~ -
[is don't think it's fair, sir. [i!] [la [tq MR. R08BIW Oby. it41 BY MR. R Q E B a i t 9 [is) with anybody in '93. '94 about the hct that foreign lrq corporations could contribute to the National Pori FOI [iq lie) conversations that he's alrady identitied for you or
MR. ROBEINS: Arc you all set? MR. WIEINSTEIN I am W m.
0: My quation is. did you have any coma~unicarion
MR. WEI- Arc you saying in addition to rhr
-w Ill Ft. m pj going tosay that I don't thinkchir i* fair to the witness 141 because you &him chc same quahoncrriy half hour in a 19 bit of a different way. lq He spoke to you aboutToyota. He spoke to you
MR. WEWlEIN Well. I'm interjecting. and I'm
p.cr 101 [rl [21 k Yes. [* w k IVejustrzadrboutMr.YounginIhepapa.u,a 19 campanyLmmTaiwan,lbrlicPr.orHoyKrmg. I 0: Didpuevrrhivcanycommuniarionahikpu-
0: I W e you c v u hard of the Young Bmchm?
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[ill A Idon'trrmcmkr. [ra 0: DidyouundrnMdhimtobcrdrizcnofa 1'31 diffaWltCMmtry? 
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110) spend on that becomes more acute during that period of time?
[ta 0: And was it in the context of conversations that
It41 campaigns dl over the place, or help- to nm these (19 campaigm al! ovcr the plre, that you had thesc discuuions Itel with him about g- the NFF Ioan Irpiid? 11n A N o . l w o u l Q 1 ' t ~ t h a t s o t e w n l I v u 114 brie6ng him cmy day on the sums of chc dtkrent MI, 11.q whowu\lp,nhowudown.~Ptwtracdoing,wharwes~d l z ~ l be doing.Amt 1 don't rhink it's hir to say that every day 1211 we were tllltinn about the outrpndirulloln owed to the RNC
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131 w constant, was it in the c o n e of discusionr about the 141 need fm money for they races that you spoke to Mr. Barbour 19 about the nccd to get the NPF loan repaid? [ ~ l m r d y isn't a dirat ronten ktwccn the money that we WM IW owed and chcmomy that wearercpuning out tomes. L4 a:whynot?
itol A Because most of the money we were putting out to [ t i l n c a was fedarl money wich a 35 parent match of soft 1 ' 1 money.
[iq A And this loan was a complctc soft money loan. its) 0 Do you h o w what was Qne-aRcr &.Yo iiq Y q u y B r o w 1171 d k n ~ . M lhcrr repapent of part of rhe debt? IlOl *: To IheRNC? 1'4 0 Yeh. rn AI'rnsurethacvu. 1211 a 01- I4
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124 0: OfanamQuntinuccssofS1 million? fg~ A I would imaine-and I do not rcmembcr-that thev
PagD 112 It) k p t some tO Operate so they wouldn't have to come back for m alovlaweeklaccr. m CP: But part of the money came back to the W C? HI A sum. 1s) 0 And would have been used for what pufposcs? Wou!d a have gone into what xcount? 81 A If arouldhnegone to whatever account it vu b i t m bi~, and it- ~sl 0: What account wu it h t framl t q A: It was lent Irom the RNSEC account. It vu u d i 11 for gene4 open- pmcedws. RcpubliM National SLOGC 12) Ekction Grmrtincc rcount, or iq 0 Sochemoncythat~tIrornthe-tlmwasptovidcd tq by the RNC to National Policy Forum amc born an account 19 which is called RNSEC?
iq 0: And what is that again? r q amwEIIvsTEIM.sEc. 14 TM YIIITISULS: Republican NationaI Sutc Election zq commiaec.1 believe h . ' S what the acronym scudr for. 2 0 BYuRROBB111s: ZIJ 0 Andalutankpaidforbymoniafmnthat zq account! Cul you put that in a diffcrcnt,in a nom 241 gcrarmnic- zq ALclllly?l.egaloany building acfivitiu.
[I! m A: S&, hadquarum, overhcadAnyWng that haa rjl to do with the elsttion of a Fcdcnladidatc hr to be
paid with a portion out of that account. I bclicpc it m rn 35 pcrcme out of that account and 65 percent out of the
hudaccount. m 0. S a n d you're talkina to somcbody who is not a iq ampaign Fmance prpa I'm nathcr vhamcd nor proud to (q admit thatThat account, the RNSEC account, the account iq that w used to provide money to the National Policy Fon~a, til and into which some of the monies came back kom the 14 Nariotul P Q U ~ F o m , can be used to help candidates for 19 congerp? iq A: A percentage of it can.A s d percentage of it 15) can. IQ 0: What percentage? in A I believe it '1~1s 35 ocrccnt in a Fedaal clecuon
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t q yar; 6535 is the split 181 0: And in addition to the 35 DQcQlt of thur monies 4 that can k UKd fo hclp an&&m for Congress, chis fund i t ] can be used for what? 4 ZJJ ar S U c h U ? sy sj directly affect the election of a cand~date.There arc very
(11 straight laws un chis. We have a vuy rophisticltcd group m of lawyers and accountants that, kforc any check is sent 01 out to anybody, it's reviewed and properly broken down. 141 a You used the mrd "dircct."Will you agree with 19 me that monies Irosn-cvcn thor monies from this account [q which cannot be used to directly assist candidates for m Congress can k in-uc W y to be of indirect benetit to @I theca? w IOI benetitorhathan- 111 IS
141 MR. ROBBINS: mt'S the Of letting 1)K
1: G e n d party building activities.
A: Which include overhad, sPa,.chings that do nol
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MR. WEINSKIN What is likely to be an indirect
MR. WEINSTEM We're at aou-ybu're saying the
MR.WEIUSl&: But I want a clcv record. I
THE WITNESS me pecentage of the account.
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14 witness U U W ~ ucstiOns.,w.wonstcin. iq in rccognizc that you're not partiahfly knddgabk in the 1q campaign h c e area, but I want a dcv record of exaCnty 1s whir's- q MR. ROBBIUS: Okay. !it B BY MR. ROBBIW.
MR. WEINSTEIN -kcaux it is a technical mea. ~. n~ MI 151
0: Do you unJerrtand my question? A: No.Wh don't you say your question- MR.ROB& : Would you ask mv question?
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(11 pi it wrong-and I may very well have it wrong-chat you all 131 are not entitled to utilize documents that you obtained &om
[$.! clearly: that it would k improper for yoy to utilizc-let [q me ask the question this way- m MR. ROBBINS: No, I'm not going t e - [SI MR. WEINSTEW Is it proper for you to utilize
[iq Reprcrntativ*l in your investigation? [ill MR. ROBBINS: I'm not anrwetity the quwrion 1121 k c a u r I'm not hac: to answer questions. as you pointed llJl out. 114 BY MR. ROBBINS: 114 0: Are you going to answer the question or nor? [iq MR. WEINSTEIN Hold on one second. He may vcry [in wdl vwwer the question, but I am ral ly concerned a u t [lq chis. [is] MR. ROBENS I gather chat. so jllst put on che lzol record whatmr concerns you have, and then let's get goins. rail ' MR. WEINSTEIN Well, my concern i s threefold. I 14 will proffer for the record that RB is indicative of the
preh that the Republican National Committee u r d in mi providing the document8 to the Houhose of Representatives. My =understanding is that there are certain rules of discovery
['I that involve the Senate Committee on G o v a n m e n t a l ~ s . And my view is that you, sir. arc using a daumcnc that was
p~ not produced to your committee, hhar it anr. in f a q 141 pmduccd to another commiKee.And 1 unc*rstmd uu( them [SI yc con&dcntllity rules and rcguhtims which apply to
production, 10 the House of Repnsurtatives.And it is my m opinion, sir, that you are improperly using a dwmcnr that fdl was not providd IO your comtnittce.And I have put (tat on
MR. WEINSTEIN But my concern is, unless I have
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[iq it. 11 e1 119 A: No. 17aJ 1141 A: NO. 115) 0 Did Mr. Bubour ever speak to you about any [is) efforts he was ra;ildng to obtain money that would repay a I?? loan by the RNC to the National Policy Forum? [cq MR. WEINSEIN You's already asked him this [ rq quer(lon.lhir ir wJnr I don't d y think is fair, is
pi1 alredy u k d him rhis question, and he W W aa sow m length about it.cmd now you're W i d y asking him the IZSI same question again. IUI MR ROBBIW. ALL x t ? (29 MR. WEINSTEN: ~m r all SCC?
ti] MR. ROBBINS: Yeah. m MR WEINtiTUW: I don't know what that meuu. w What I'm saying b you asked him rhe same question. I'm @I objecting. arlced and answd. I will allow the wimess to
pj UR mews: That's p a r . m @I comlmtabIe 4tll rhis.
MR. ROBBINS: Was them some word in the question
MR WEMISTEIN 1 don't know. MR. ROBBIN& I didn't think so, either.
0: Could you answer my question. plare? A I r a d in the papm a couple of weeks ago about
0: Okay. So do you know FredVolanrelrl
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A: I've &vu 3cu1 thiJ documcnt before. 0 ALL right.WdL take a look at Exhibit 2. Do
MR. WEINSTEIN: On page 2? MR. ROBBIWS: Exhibir 2, beausc thac's the 2 I)ut
[Cl colloquy that we had before.
iiq a: Exhibit 2 says in its third and fourth pangraph ['ti -Just prior to the election, of 1994. I was asM by Fred 114 b'olcanwk to help facilitau a loan in exceu of $2 million [is1 to a ~ i 5 t you in replacing hard money at the Focvm with sooh ['a] money 50 that the hard dollars could be used to hdp ick up 119 (io rugetcd House scats.& a result of FWs rcqu-q f [iq contacted .W.Ambmus Young and asked him if he was (in interested in Iha kind of WiJcYlce for the puty. You [la and I then had x y d discussioru concerning a loan [I¶ nuanntec bv .HrYounn.'
[rq my-if you Would IW to make UW Of thir impropatv ii r l obtained doruwnt, you may ask the w i t n c ~ any queniOn
[ill MR. ROBBINS: I can't agree with, I thhk, any of [tri your rcaisa, but I will. IW d' WEINSTEIN: wcu. you can agm that thc [mi document here b RB 014591 and that all of the tuw of [in thousands of documents produced to your commitfee do nor,
[iq MR. ROBBIN& I tell you, I will agree with 50
1211 numbers. I absolutely agree that thohose letters and those [a numbers appear therc.You'w got my agreuDcnt on h t ?
p41 m A: what's the quation?
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[tal unless thcre is some clerical error. conrain the RB prc6x.
m much of your speech as it relates to the letters and thc
[nl BY MR. ROBBINS 0 Could you answer the question. please?
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ill I m A: i k l i ~ r c he i?ldicatcd somebody w going 10 k
PI making a contribution or a loan to the NPF of over S 1 I [4) million, and Ehcn that some of Chat would k coming back j m Q:cnmingbnrv
A: To the RNC to repay the loan. m MR. WEMS2EIN: Could M have a break for just one m sxond? We will k vay brief hem.
MR. ROBBIW Could I 6nish my questioning? [eq MR. WEINSTEIN 1s the line of questioning dealing 1111 with Ihis clocumcnt [!a MR. ROBBIN% ft's dcaling with not the document (131 but the conversation that he just ourtined clut he [iy mncubm. I'm not asking about the document at all, sir.
[lq uncomforrrblc. I just want an answer to my question. [l 11
119 1111 with Mr. Barbour about efforts he was making to help [e4 spcci6c efforts he was making to help get the NPF to rcpay [lq the loan to the National Poliey-spiiLc thatdo get the 1171 National Policy Forum to repay the loan to the RNC? [I@ A Mr. Barbour notitied me-the c-chat k e [ e @ would bc some money coming back h m the NPF to the RNC. rn Yes. pi) Q: 0kay.When did he do so? pn) A: I don't remember, Somerime in the fall. Ipl 4: Of1994? WI A Of'94. (29 a: h d did he indicate to you approximately how mu&-_-
111 money wu corninn back?
ME WlTNESS: And the U W W C I - ~ ~ C question is?
0: Do you have any-did you hrve any communication ('0 BY MR. R O B ~ S :
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pal not saying Lhat Mr. Reed is rdcttnccd in rh* Icncr. He pn saw he hasn't seen the 1elcer.You'rc asking him whether
My UedOn to you&: Do you have any knowledge Is kA don't remember him idcntirvlng rhe person. I've lpil now I d to understand fmm news reports &at it was .W. IIP) Young. 1 don't remember a spcci6c conversation where he rn wntioned s(r.Young. MR. WEIislEIN We're alaking dear that you arc
4: Do you remember a general description of how he lgwas going to arrange the money? ~ . - _ _
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[4 requirement that donors 6ll out a atd identifying where mi they lived. whetha they were a citizen of the United States ~ 4 1 and so forth?
*: I believe. but I don't reme& it spcahally
0: But the only procedure that you rroKmbQ bcQ in PSI place for scrcdng contributions to the RNC was the
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[tq pq A: No.
ROBBINS Oh, now, now, now. I somchow-
MR. ROBBINS: -feel disinclined ?o rcept
PI1 BY MR. AoeBiHs. 0 You've neva seen this documatr before?
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111 m they were a cifi?.cn of Us United States? m Aldon'trcmcmber. 141 a: Arc the ardc lsj *:Thatdoern'tmcvlthcrcwacn'tOl)lQp~in [q place down in Firunce. 1 just may not have ken aware d m it. la) 0 wru. you u the-you were *e chid openting ~1 officer of the RNC for two ycus; nght?
[tq A Yes* I h o w that. [i I] Q: Are you, as that, as the person who saved that
[tal for donation to the RNC while you were at the RNC?
0 And thcir occupation. W a c they asked w h d t a
ita function, arc you aware of any other screening pFocedurn
P u p $36 [ti A Not to my knowledge. but I Weve thee may have m k e n an infoanal vrocess that if somethim mne in it would
markatfor iden~cation.] m MR. R0BBINS:Therc's 3 blue line to the left of
8 Ii] A: This memo says it was the National policy Forum's. A 4: I'mrorry.WhileyouarueatthcRNCwuchnca pj t e I ~ n s h o w - I41 A:Ycl. Is; 0: -litten@ cohmaica? [si k Y a . t h a c v u m Q: 'And did you-aru it your view at the time you were 181 at the RNC that it had the potential to be an cffcctivcpart ~1 of Rcpublian viccorica in '94?
A Yer.Ycs. that's lair to say. :in ( i t1 0 Andwhyisthat?
,119 promoting Republican policies and icky. (la k: Bmuitwupartofouroneoingin~t in
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airwhat-in? r R k. If a contribution came in that was for some rrason m questioned. it would go up to the legal beagles. [ai a: 0kav.That's your understandinn!
[tq strike thatwere you aware ofany foreign trips ctvt Mr.
tiel busy aRer that. Sometime in-I believe it was 94.1 think rn he took a trip rhrough the IDU. which was Ihc International nil Democratic Union, which I believe he wxs the vice chairmyl 122) of. [ai (241 A IdOfl'tN3DCWIbCC DSI
111 like a new name for a bunch of formerly Soviet republics, n the IDU, k c a u r he took a trip to the IDU. I'm thinlin(F
[in Barbour took during '93. '94. or '95? [!ai A Wd. I I& in February of '95, so I was pretry
Q: A trip to where?
0: I was like frantically trying to think if that was - $35 pj A Through it. It's an organization. bur I don't 1.1 remember where they -. [q Q: Did he ever take a trip to Asia when you were at [q theRNC? m A I do not believe so. [s] 0 Did he have communications with an- in Hatg pl Kong?
the first p&&ph on &it 3, which &as not pu t of the @J Of@hldCXhibit. :Q Witness perusing documcnt.1 w MR, SHAW Mr. Robbii. it I could just point out rn that this documart hu the Bates number R 021495 to 021497. m which is diffcmt thm the ~rcvious exhibit Bats vrebx of
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(q shc incorrect thu it was a National Policy Forum show?
Q: Which was put out by National Policy Forum?
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[to) lri1 M R ROBBINS YES. [iq [Ql BY MR. ROBBINS [fq [iq [q 0: And Michael H a who, sir? 1'1 A The general counscl. itat 0: Ofwtut? irq [201 9:lrndhe-authoriEedtosignon~ofIhe @I] Republican National Commiffcc! iq Altappeurso. rn 9: Didyouknowthathewassigningonbchalfofthe IN1 Republican Nafional Comminee? rn *: Imusthave.
((1 0: Now, tlpc next pagt- RI TJI PI MR WEINS= The one rlut is marked RB 015332? Is1 MR. ROBBW That's right. isl BYMRWBBIWS: (? a DoyousccYlybaYsjrgnanuethatloohbmiliY (q them? E4 A Yes.
ICP) 9: WhOsCicthat? [lll A: tlaroody's. (11) 0: whoelc's? [la A Mine.
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THE WITNESS: That's not my signature.
Q: Sicd on your belulf by Michael Heu. A Y u h m d thuc's a big diffaence.
A: The Republican National cornminee.
PaOI 146
UR WEIWSTEPI: which pa& is this, sir? MR. Row@& The fourth pageor this document.
I (SI 0. DidthcRNCin1993-94malreloYutocntitier m other h n the National policy Forum? ,q A: Not to myrccoUcction.
0: So when we said before that+r when you said [ im M o r e that the National Policy Forum - rhc RXCs largest [rrj debtor- [(a A Right. 1131 0. -you w m being quite prtdu; it was also its it41 Only &bKOr. c4XfCCt? [iq Ilr Ibelicvcso.Wemaylnwkntlwney&ooMsutc 114 party, and I don't rcmcdxr which one, kcausc of a problem. [in We tried to not k in the businas of do- that, 90 l don't 118 Mnt to say dc6nitriy thae wasn't any orhu loan. irw 0 You have no recollection of my loan that the RNC p9 ever provided to anvbody while you were iu uerutive 1211 director other than the National Policy Forum? 04 A: With the possible exception of one safe party w whichIdon'trrmemkrwikhoneitwu. M Q: One sate Republican kty?
0. But you're not c a 9 i n - A I'm not ccrtrin but I-
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0: wae you p d bacw A 1 don't rewmba if we cvu did.
A If we did, I would have hoped to have ken paid
mi 0: Hasthisdocummrbeenproducedbyyou? 1211 rm nowatall. 1211 MR. ROEEP(S: Oh, okay. R41 BV MR. Roeem m
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lp) MR. ROBBIN5 It's a- tzq YR.SHAW,Ur.Robbins,doer~haveaBatcr pq number on it?
($1 documcnt-Focll. you know that it doesn't because this rn doesn't have it.
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[ i q THEWITNEWI'Vcradit [SI BYuRRoBBINsk Irq 113 signed it?
0: Did you discuss lhis with Hvey Bubolar before you
;(.I looklike they should bcmacJ~edto thac orhu two pages. [cq MR. RoBBtNS That's a pafmly hir point. I (re don't know, 1111 YIRWEWSTEIN: W~onedocumcntisduedJ~ne
[q [q the answer is. 1% MR. ROBEIW Oluy- [q
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-a- 111 a: Andwasiadi3CUSMdWithBiuocdyandW? w A Idon'tIcnow.ldon'trummkrifIwasinclus R mceting.1 ofta~wmcc mcmos to the duinnan for hir Ir) mcetings.1 diwt sit incwry wering. [9 m subpct of foreign money was discussed with moody and I m Hill?
I14 recoucction of any convmsation with Mr. Barbour about any
a: Did you CVQ rrceiw any information that this
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lit] limitations at dl on any ford@ money that could legally [la go into the lvItionnl Policy Forum? Ita A I don't have any rpccisC mokctionr. but I do It41 rrmemkt chat ncdircursal thehctand ht told M that 119 foreign companiu with U.S. subsidivies could legally give (1s) b a nonpdt like the NPE [tn tt@ corporationr-uWAmaian Jubridiyies-oh, I see. kt mc lis] sc+ if I can undcrspnd this better. m pcl in 1993.94,~ityourundaspndingclutAmcricvl lpl !~bsidiarics of foreign corpontions could contribute to the W RNC? ,IN A N o . rn
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a: You didn't know they could? Pag. 162
111 A I d i d n ' t l m o W t h c y E o u l d a t t h C h c . m m 141 he's given you what he thOU&I. [sl BYklRAoBBw: I~I
a: You didn't think thatAmaian companies- MR. WE#IIEp(: You u&d him W quean, and
a: You didn't think that Awrian companies-
114 take money from foreign SUUICCS without limitation? It 11 MR. WlNSTEBII. Aside &om the duirman? t i $ MR. ROEBINS Anybody. 1131 THE WITNESS: I don't ccmember havin# that [trl conversation. no.
[in at ulc time &at you wrote thismaoo.sir,sugpting that
ltq ucu~mccould n o t t a k e ~ f m m h r c i g n sourcxs? @q A Aslsaidarlier,Wwasbmughttomy @I] attention bmuw of a spa36c issue trSrrdiryToyo0. rzzj a: 1 apprrdrte that, but Wt's not my question- tzy MRwEIwB":No,no.no.youYkcdhim~ [ai question. Let him give you the answer.
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[toi subsidiaries. [ t i l 0: And only foreign corporations from American [la m&bsidiai'ies? 114 It41 premise chrt phir was diruucd. it mlwd YOundTopta. [SI 0 Did you talk to anybody fromToyota? [iw k No. 117) (I: Who t a h d to you aboutToyop1 lltl kldon'trrmmkr. [is] 0 Somebody at the RNC or somebody at the NPF? rn A: I don't nmtmbQ if anybody talked to M h u t it. pi1 I just rmvmbcr hara that it was anirsue and I thought 14 it needed to be ?ddruscdAnd 1s my role Y an advisor to m the duirmpn. I thou&t it w sowthin8 he should be aware 1241 OFanddiscusI with Bvmdyand Hill to auke ir policy ~rr;l W i c m .
h Ihu's what I thouJ3ht at the time. because in the
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!I] your recollection as to whether or not you mer had any such n conversation with Chairman Bubour? (11 [41 he didn't have a recollection to start with. I believe in [q themorningsessionhcuuwerrb , [Q MR. ROBBINS Oh. I'm- m MR WEINSTEPI: -the WI m t Of h& (81 discussion. so I don't think he needs to have his R recollection refreshed if he didn't have a lack of
[io) ncoUcction to start with. ( t t i MR. ROBBINS: We& let's just JCC about-let's [is xc. [tq WE WITNESS: What's p u r question? it41 BY MR. ROBBINS: [iq 0 Do you have a mollccfion of conwrvtions you [tq had with Chairman Barbour about raising *considable mone)r [ tq from foreign sowrcs? 118 A I nevu had a conversation with him about raising [itq considerable moncy from foreign sourca. no. [zol Q: Did you ever have any conversation with Cluirman
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[tq MR ROBBINS At any period. 11 91 THE WIlNESs: I probably had I2 meetings. maw IS 114 wcringrovcr the mmpperiod with Buoody lhnt I was in ita the mom with Bamody 1141 BY MR. ROEBIWS: i t 9 0: And what wen the purpoxs of thac-what %is the [tq purpose or what wue the purposes of chw meetings? [rn A Well. they had 10 do with the NPF and the t i q direction it was going. [lei a: Inwhattwpcct? 99 A: Sowtimesinmpccttohowitwasrunninguan
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[icn wcrc unequivocally shard by ouuide counsel to ule NPF and [ r i ) communicated by both of us directly to you."hcse concema (izj were dismissed by you and by one of your staff as so much 1131 legal D.S. Do you know what that refers to?
[rsi place where they were having a forum. its) 0: YerDid- [tn A: There w m hundreds of thwc things, if I'm not [iq misrakn. and i didn't redly follow them that closely. [iq a: Well. was there anybody other than yoursdfat thc
RNC who was d e s i t a l as the person or a person t o w pi) withtheNPF?
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A: No. but I wasn't designated to deal with the N E a You Wcren't cithff.waa anybody? k Not to my knowlcd~~e. no.
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I41 a Yes? ln A: flemuatbe. iq m m oniy pawn lhat o p t e d like a chief of s W , but chat (4 wasn't my title.
[ tq BY MR. ROBBINS: [ri] a: But ifthereirachiefofsllffatthcRNC.'93. cia '94, it's you. right? [rq A: N o w called mc the chief of s w a t the RNC. I
Ita 0: Did you ew td l Mr. B;iroody. Mr. R e d that you [tq and he had met mutincly over the previous 18 months? [VI A: No. [iq 0 You had met at least once cyery four to six weeks, rim correct? m k WeU. m1 said. I thought it was about 12 to 15 Ell rimes. f4 a over the course of- ~zrf A Over the course of a yur. WI a. Over the course of the year or the two years?
MR. WEINSTEIN Do you know? WE Wm(E95: WdJ. YIhcfc wa5 nu-I was the
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[cq [Discussion off chc rcc0rd.l [ t i ) MR.WEINSl'ENWhere were M now? 1'21 EY MR. ROBEINS: (131 1141 fundraising goJI for r)K NPF? [tq [iq question now. the fourth or Mh timc? [iq 1181 [I91 he hasakUlyuuwmd to in the past? ~9
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A: Nobady on the staff that I'm a- of. He may
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!;id I R c c w l . 1 WI MR. R0BBNS:Them is a large M of inquiry '[I&) which. in Merence 10 pur rcquclr that eounwl-additi~ :[q FoullyI be pmarsurare not t o w #odry.un :liq UIC condition, obn&& that you md Mr. Rccdchrt .Mr. i[q Reed. in my event, will return to compkGc his depourion !1*4 rcrrOruMy pmm UY. iicq YR.WEINSTE&: our position is r a ~ y c k ~ . a m ~ 1- I don't lhink that pu will be upset by it.Mr. Rced is : RII here voluntarily. Hc is p ~ c d to answer all qutslons. Im Cwnrcl for Dole for Prmdenr could not k h e . We wvl 1" calk to lhun about the rescheduling of W. I don't know @&I .Mr. Reefs schedule. I don't know .Mr. Cross' schcduk. but 1 m when this is done. M will sit down and M will get out a
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0 Are vou fanuIur wrth any Repubhcms Abroul [11[ events Uut tMey Barbour attended m 1995 and 1%'
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A: -to ICC whnr Ihcy were spending thcir money. 14 a: And why did you do Uut audit? ntj A: &cruse if I’m not misrrkm. they were havin8 14 fuuncirl difGculrW and for us IO help them get on thar
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