Interview with MGR RENE LAURENTIN Prelate of the Pole

8/2/2019 Interview with MGR RENE LAURENTIN Prelate of the Pole

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From the Rosicrucians to ChristianityMonsignor Ren Laurentin interviews Fabienne Guerrero (for Chrtiens Magazines April 2011

issue)

Fabienne Guerrero was born on April 14, 1964. Medium size, brown hair, blue eyes; she isdressed modestly. She keeps the precision she cultivated while working as an executive secreand her contrasted course is particularly remarkable.

RL: You returned to Christ from sects with a beautiful clarity. Tell us about it.

FG: I spent my youth in drugs, alcohol, night clubs, and sins of the flesh. I listened to bad muwatched bad movies; practiced spiritism, astrology, numerology, divination; studied New Agand had contact with a guru who opened two chakras: my third eye chakra and my heart chak

RL: You also spent time with Rosicrucians. What is this?FG: This is an esoteric movement. I was a member of the Haroeris Chapter in Marseille fromApril 1995 to March 1997.

RL: What was it about?

FG: For the first initiation, I walked into the room with a special approach. I cannot give mordetails so as not to get into trouble.

RL: Did you have a Christian education?

FG: Yes. I was baptized on May 3, 1964. I followed the usual path: Catechism, First HolyCommunion, profession of faith.

RL: When did you start to get in touch with the Rosicrucians?

FG: In July 1993 until I left in March 1997. At the end of 1996, I made a first pilgrimage toMedjugorje.

RL: How did you break loose from the Rosicrucians?

FG: I started to recite the Rosary and consecrated myself to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. OAugust 9, 1998, during a Mass, I made a covenant with Mary, Immaculate Queen of theUniverse, at Bois-le-Roi [a town located in Upper Normandy, in Northern France]. Followingadvice given by Heaven, I had Masses celebrated (several Gregorian Masses) for my soul inorder to find peace. I received many sacraments, including the Anointing of the Sick manytimes although I was not really physically sick. Father P. Remels (Belgium) prayed to cut tito the esoteric movement I spent time in. Every morning I prayed the Stations of the Cross,


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followed by Lauds (Morning Prayer) and Mass in my parish in Beziers (a town located in thesoutheast of France).

RL: What does your Mass bring you every morning?

FG: When I see the Lord at the Elevation I knee down and I ask Him to burn my heart in the of His Heart. I always kneel when I receive the Holy Communion on the tongue. Mass gives the strength to give myself and follow Him.

RL: You have understood that unity of will with God, i.e. the union of love (same thing) isessential.

FG: Yes, what matters to me is the profound intimacy, day after day with Jesus, in His peace His joy.

RL: Yes, a will that enables to identify with His life!

FG: Yes.

RL: When did your deviance begin? In your childhood?

FG: When I was 15, I started doing divination, astrology and numerological divination.

RL: What is numerological divination?

FG: Numerological divination is a set of beliefs based on assigning properties or significancenumbers. It is the study of a theme of life; it is established from the date of birth within theinfluence of the astral conjuncture.

RL: What was the outcome?

FG: I went through three different stages of which I searched for logic.

RL: And New Age?

FG: New Age is a spiritual movement that does not come from God. While in this movementnever heard of Jesus Christ as being the Son of God. I learned about the existence of theDivine the Divine being the highest expression of cosmic consciousness, the highestvibration (energy). It manifests itself through motion or emanation in cosmic and inner energIt coincides with the world and with man. The individual may say God is in me, I am my creIn a word, all is one, everything is energy, everything is God. The New Age Christ I learneknow is a simple spirit manifested in the Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth. I was not able to havdirect relation with God as I was a mere wave of the cosmic ocean. My salvation consisted inhaving an experimental knowledge of my own so-called divine nature. I had to achieve my oself-realization through inner illumination (enlightenment), rebirths, self-control, and possiblacquisition of powers while connecting myself to the divine energy for the purification and


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harmony of myself, with others and with the universe. I was self-sufficient; I was not in needrevelation or redemption, nor any outside help. According to the law of karma, I had to fix mmistakes on my own through new lives. Gnosis was my faith (i.e., a secret knowledge resefor insiders) and I never prayed. I did not even believe in sin.

RL: New Age is well known; it captures all facets of our culture. It makes a brilliant synthesiof it albeit inconsistent and thus seduces its followers, leaving them frustrated. As for chakras, they are senses unknown in the Western world and identified by Indians [from IndiaThere are seven main chakras: from the root chakra to the crown chakra located at the crowof the head. This opened the door to all influences. Hence your unrestrained lifestyle.

FG: The opening of my chakras turned me away from faith and opened the way to all kinds oexperiences that left me destroyed.

RL: This guru wanted you to open beyond ordinary perceptions.

FG: For a year I attended spiritism sessions. One day he suggested me to proceed to a major cleansing. As I believed in reincarnation, I thought he would help me and free myself from mkarma, i.e., constraints and servitudes coming from my past lives. He placed his hand on myheart chakra and my third eye chakra at the same time and made an invocation prayer in alanguage I did not understand. During the next spiritism session, my kundalini rose. I was vescared because I felt a great power which went from my root chakra to my crown chakra, andraised me up.

RL: Did you also experience levitation as it sometimes happens?

FG: Not at all. It is through the top of my head that I was pulled upwards, without reaching agoal or object.

RL: What made you change?

FG: At the end of 1996, I made a first pilgrimage to Medjugorje.

RL: What exactly changed in you at that time?

FG: In Medjugorje, I regained the taste for sacraments, the taste I lost when I was 15; I startelike prayer again, especially the Rosary.

RL: A sure, general clearing-up

RL: Did this open you to Christ?

FG: Yes.

RL: Did you recognize that it came from the Holy Spirit? He does not appear but like spotligwhich are in our back during performances; He illuminates the scene: Jesus and His message


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FG: I immediately recognized the action of the Holy Spirit.

RL: The Holy Spirit teaches us not only with words and speech, but it gives us His light so thwe perceive Christ and His action in us.

FG: I accepted Christianity, all of it; and I became actively involved in the missionary apostoI wrote five booklets about my conversion. They received the Imprimatur on 1 December 20and 4 of them were published by Tqui [a French Publisher]:

I Quit the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC (Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis) Astrology or Trust in God? God Released Me from Belief in Reincarnation Merciful Jesus Released Me from Spiritism Merciful Jesus Released Me from Clairvoyance

I also created a Web site: http://fabienne.guerrero.free.fr/

RL: How many people visit your site each month?

FG: I removed the counter some time ago already. Currently, a few dozen people per month fall French-speaking countries contact me by email. I also distribute CDs on the Holy Spirit;apparitions of the Virgin Mary; the dangers of New Age, yoga, reiki, transcendental meditatispiritism; and teaching CDs made by good priests (Father milien Tardif, Father Daniel AngeFather Nicolas Buttet, Father Roger Paulin, etc.); a CD on prayer and worship; CDs on thedifferent sacraments, the Bible, inner healing, on evangelism, on lives of saints...

RL: What about the Rosicrucians have they disappeared from your life?

FG: I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC, from July 1993 till March 1997, andwent as far as the 7th degree of the Temple.

RL: How many degrees are there?

FG: Twelve, I think. After I came back from Medjugorje, I wrote to the imperator of the Ordeand told him about my decision to leave. He asked why and I answered: To return to theCatholic Church.

RL: Were your chakras still open?

FG: Yes.

RL: Who closed them? Because it is not only a door open to Christianity...

FG: A priest I cannot remember his name; he prayed for them to be closed and everythingcame back to normal.


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RL: You are lucky that everything went so quickly, and finally so smoothly and well.

FG: Yes, thanks to the sacraments I have been receiving every day; many people have beenfacing difficulties and can die when the kundalini rises.

RL: Can you please explain what the kundalini is?FG: This is a powerful energy which resides in the sacrum bone. It rises along the spine and passes through each chakra until it reaches the crown chakra.

RL: Did it help you have a greater receptivity to Christianity?

FG: Not directly. I started studying the Bible, the lives of saints, Vatican II, theCatechism of theCatholic Church and I saw that it was good.

RL: Did it bring you closer to God?

FG: Yes. I spent my afternoons in a church in Marseille [a city located in the South of Francewhere I prayed the Stations of the Cross, and spent time with Jesus, and then I heard a voice.came out of the tabernacle and Jesus told me: I am your only Lord.

RL: Did you hear it or did you perceive it internally, intellectually as we say?

FG: I heard it as you speak.

RL: Oh yes. You heard a voice?

FG: Yes; a voice coming out of the tabernacle. A male voice, very strong. It resonated withinme. It happened at other times.

RL: If the Holy Spirit does not speak, Jesus Who became man can speak to us in humanwords.

FG: Jesus also said, My Holy Wounds will save you, because He would take me into His hwounds to save me.

RL: His wounds, His sufferings and death did He share them with you?

FG: No. Not yet. I thought that I needed a spiritual director.

RL: And did you find him?

FG: Yes. My first spiritual director, a Dominican priest, discerned that God spoke to me. Is thnormal Monsignor?

RL: Yes, absolutely. You were lucky to find a clear-sighted father.


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FG: I explained to him that I had a boyfriend and we were living together in a maritalrelationship since 1994. After I came back from Medjugorje, we civilly married on Septembe1997, but we could not marry in the Church because he already married in the Church and hadivorced his wife.

RL: And his wife was still alive?

FG: Yes, she had left him for another man. After my marriage, one night, Jesus came into myroom and visited me, and asked me to obey, to sleep in separate room; then He said: I demanReparation. Your sin has offended Me. I want your body and soul. My spiritual director confirmed that I had to live out the virtue of chastity, and God asked me to witness His mercyBack home, we lived like brother and sister.

RL: But did he agree with you to live this new situation?

FG: It was very difficult. But since God demanded to live out the virtue of continence, I obeyFinally, on December 14, 2000, I divorced him to follow Christ in the world because He toldI want you to serve me in the world. After I left our home, I studied the Catholic Faith, andearly 2003 I created a network of Pilgrim Icons of Merciful Jesus in obedience to a Pallottine priest, Father Eugene, with whom I still work. He is my director for Divine Mercy. I make thPilgrim Icons; then families take them to their home, and host them for nine days, the timeneeded for a novena. There are currently Pilgrim Icons in various countries and places such aFRANCE - GUADELOUPE - MARTINIQUE - LES DES SAINTES - LA DESIRADE -BELGIUM - SWITZERLAND - LUXEMBOURG - PORTUGAL - THE NETHERLANDS -AFRICA - ITALY. Some people, once they hosted the icon, can no longer live without it. Thefall more in love with Jesus. They pray the Chaplet of The Divine Mercy.

RL: Are they many?

FG: This is a large network.

RL: An international network.

FG: Yes, led by Father Eugene.

RL Is there any prayer group?

FG: Not with this network, but I started in mid-January 2011 a network of prayers for theunborn.

RL: Do you have an occupation?

FG: Yes; Bilingual Executive Secretary. I stopped after a pilgrimage to Medjugorje and devomyself entirely to the ministry.


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RL: You are only 46-years-old, and youre not near retirement age; what do you do for a livin

FG: My sister (married, two children) lends me an apartment and my parents feed me. I refusthe money offered by my publishers (Tqui, Parvis, Rassemblement Son Image...)

RL: Do you buy your clothes?FG: I beg, for Jesus said, Cling to poverty. Do not be afraid to beg; I still have a smallassociation that allows me to sell some books and other items.

RL: You are overstrained.

FG: Yes, sometimes I do not know where to turn.

RL: Do you live like a prophet?

FG: No. The Virgin Mary told me: You shall have no messages (like the prophets), but remafaithful to my Son. She only speaks about me.

RL: You have a special grace: renunciation, light and clarity. Stay faithful to them. Its not soeasy to persevere.

[Monsignor Ren Laurentin, a French priest, is possibly the worlds greatest authority on private revelation. He has doctoral degrees in Theology and Mariology, and he was a peritus(Latin for expert) at the Second Vatican Council. He has taught, written, lectured, and

appeared in the media extensively throughout his priesthood, which began in 1946.]

Interview with MGR RENE LAURENTIN Prelate of the Pole

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