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Court File No.: CRIM J S 1557/11

SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICECentral West Region

ETWEEN

HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN Respondent and

MOHAMED HERSI Applicant

EXCERPTS OF BODY PACK INTERCEPTS

VOLUME 3

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4 HERSI: love Audis, m n hd n Audi Id e just.. 25 Honestly if I.. Honestly if w s a pirate, Somalian 6 pirate and got my few hundred thous nd dollars, fir st

7 thing Id buy is an Audi, you know? 28

29 They dont goon water though. Laughs3

i03I HERSI: You should read that article by whats his n me uh3 Sheikh Anwar Awlaki ph.

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34Yeah, yeah, ll get to it

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37138 For sure. 39

1 4 HERSI it you see what it says you would be surprised on 4 what t says. So think about it

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H RS I Think about the concept, righ t? 46

47 It Whats ah Like wh ats the idea, the base on 48 it? 49

oso H RSI Basic idea is that uh.,. uh M outh noise you can

5steal. Laughs

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53 Whats the best way to go b ck you think?

541 55 H RSI Go back on uh whatever goes uh Makes mouth45


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56 noise If you can get down on Yonge its good If you

57 can get back on this over here. Go here. Go ontoss ichmond and make a ra uh ya know? 59

6 No ichmond think is the one.. its a one way thats 6 the problem

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63 HERSI: Oh yeah t is one way6465 Ye ah yeah.

6667 HERSI: So just keep ongoing here straight then go 68

1 69 ll just go Ri 7

7 HERSI: back on Yonge... 72

73 ll go right to the water74

75 HERSI: Go to Yonge Go to Yonge right? Cause theres no 76 entrance here. Go to Yonge you get on the highway

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79 Unintelligible8

8 HER SI: this for some really fruity dude right? But anyhow 82 b sic lly his his his whole his whole uh uh 83 LIh rti le was about the fact that Musl ims 848 5 Mm-hmm.

86 87 HERSI: can steal from non-Muslims because Mu slims are 88 at w r with non Muslims And that since they are

89 stealing from our countries we can in theory steal 9 from their countries And it wouldnt be considered

9 stealing because youre dis aseesiig ph them of 92 weath that they would ve go on to killing of 93

94 Its95 96 HERSL Muslims,

97 98 Its Its like uh an eye for an eye99

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Thats what hes saying

Yeah He says as long as theyre n theyretheyre peaceful with us then dont do it Like i yourein Brazil you re not supposed to rob Brazilians inBraz il But to Americans he said the Americans theyare supportive silently and openly of their governmentkilling Muslims right?

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25 HERSI: Un intelligib le26

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9 HERSI: And people there are not protesting they dont care. 3 mean theres a couple of people who are who are

protesting but the overwhelming major ity they actually

32 supported going in there right? Theyve they

33 voted with 34 35 Yeah yeah.

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37HERSI: ...BUSH. They voted BUSH in a second time.

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39 Ahha four more years

4 HERSI: And they voted in this guy OBAMA He didn t say he 42 was ever gonna end it the Iraq war, right? No the 43 Afghanistan war. He said he w gonna end the Iraq 44 war but leave fifty thousand people there. Which is

45 kinda its not like ending anything. He said hes

46 basically at war with us right? So the article says 47 that hey, if you can go take something it will become

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48 s of war* for you , right? 49

5 Ihavetogoleft.

55 HERSI: Yeah you have to make left. Or you can go..

53 Yeah you can t Unin telligible

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HERSI Yeah so you cou ld it wou ld just become *spoils of 58 war* right, which means uh boo ty of war, spoils of

59 war. 66 Mm-hmm . 6

63 HERSI: You know? And if you can take it without even 64 fighting then it become UnintetttgThfe , right, which

65 means us t something thats there, righ t? Laughs So 66 you could take it without And then youd have to 67 give.. make ho make right

68 69 Ye ah

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HER SI So his premises was very interesting dont knowhow many people will follow out with it

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HERSI: think that people will think its controversial causeits like why would you rob random person rig ht?Hes no t saying rob a random person But anyhowread that article Its Its Un intelligible

You said its like towards end havent justh vent gotten there

HERSI: Its like a lot of pages Hell give you proofs from theQuran and Sunna and then you think about it Think

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2 7 HERSI: Specifically in the West. A lot Uninte lligible2 8

29 For some reason22 1-IERSI: Unin telligibl e hes saying hes like saying22 2

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225 HERS: youre no t supposec to do this to hes saying

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youre supposed to do this in the est cause then22 7 then take some of that money and youre supposed to228 give it to the people in the ast

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HERSI: to support them. Not all of it but only like your233 Cause itd be like you keep four fifths for yourself and234 you give twenty percent to them cause itd be like the235 premises of spoils of war* which would be236

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4 amir of the Muslims or to the Muslim leaders right24 and theyll take that money and re invest it into the242 you know

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244 Yeah.245

2 46HERSI : into the effort dow n there rig ht?

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248 See my... my understanding was you were49

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25 HERSI: Like the Prophet A llahs peace and blessings be

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upo n him said my my... my sustenance is under253 the shade of my sword right? An d it was true

254 because Mu slim s at the time were... the reason

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Muslim s got rich right in the Prophets tim e is256 because they fought the d is believers and whatever257 wealth they had would be split amongst Muslim s258 righ t?

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1263 cause Allah says makes it lawfUl for them right?1264 Cause the disbelievers they would take from you1265 too. hey still do today right? Theyre doing it in

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12671268 dont know

1269127 HERSI: ..America or...1271

1272 how to get outta here.

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i HERSI: whatever right? And he says youre allowed to1275 take interest even from a disbeliever. Normally1276 youre not supposed to take interest right?12771278 ASS Yeah cause its prohibited 1279

128 HERSI: Its prohibited. But youre allowed to take even1281 interest from a disbeliever if... if its going to the1282 you know that kind of thing right? But its like.. read

1283it its very very very intellectual right? Its a very

1284 interesting article. Ah eh1285

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I286 See my for some reason thought you were...287 cause were talking about pirates before so thought288 youwere...

28929 HERSI But they would even even support of Stutters29 Allah as long as their intentions are for Islam . Most of

292 the pirates are drunks right, and on drugs...293

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295 96 HERS I right?297

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299 you were refe rring to in that respect. you can take3

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HERSI: too you could do that too but the problem is those37 pirates, Im no t saying theyre drunks, but the y do3 8 drug, they do qat ph you know

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3 eah yeah131

3 2HERSI: They take it and the y spend it on prostitutes and shi t

3 3 right? Thats not exactly for Islam right?1314

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3 7 HERSI: They dont give twenty percent ome of them

131 8actually gives twen ty percent to you know Al

1319 habaab right?132

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3 3 HERSI: o those guys some of them Im sure are

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supportive of themright? Im sure some pirates are1325 like hey why not well give twenty percent you keep3 6 e eighty say percent for us Were still327

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I332 a lot a lot of money.

4 HERSI: And hey they get rewerd for it too right?

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I HERSI: So the more they do its like a rewa rd So theyre339 actually happy. Theyre like yeah as long s And34 AlShabaab cant demand more twenty percent. They

4 cantcause would be un slam ic at that point right?

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34445 HERSI: You know cause they re takin g forc efully fromJ 6 you know? You cant do that so they only

34748 Uh shit this is the same way.349

35 HERSI: Yeah were going the same just go straight. Just 5 go straight on this road cause this the Don Valley352

5 Yeah it say... it saying354

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I355 HERSI: straightI 6f 357 Don Valley but cant go straight on this this

358 time go tta turn359

uoo HERSI: Make a left Make a left then.., then go... 36362 Sound of car turn signal

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364 HERSI : Those pirates are funny characters, you know? So 365 have my ticket booked Like know the exact366 plane is British Airw ays you know? don t know if 367 should be flying with the British Laughs went

368 with it one time and every tim e landed in ondon369

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f 37 HERS I they give you crap.373

374 booked or you dont you dont book? 7

376 HERS1: What?377

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378 You said you have it booked.

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38 HERSI: What do you mean booked?

382 Ithought you said it wasnt booked.

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384 HERS I: have it booked without spending the money385 Laughs you know386

8 Oh so you reserved your seat.J389 HERS I: Exac tly 39

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393 HERS I: But Im just have to dro p the sevenfi f ty even fifty

394 seven actually and sixty something cents. hey tell

395 you the exact amount. 396

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399 HERS I: They told me theyre giving me a two d ollar discount. 4 III show you Its so ironic eh?

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4 4HERSI: Im like what do you... what do you mean two-dollar

4 5 discount? Whats so special of two dollars? You 4 6 know? Why not thirty or forty ou know?

4 74 8 Just make a hundred.4 9

4 HERSI: Yeah just make4

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4 34 4 HERSI: a hundred. Well round out to seven seven 4 5 hundred a least, you know? ut its actually pretty 4J6 cheap relatively you know?4 7

4 8 Yeah, thatis reallycheap4 9

4 2 HERSI: What about you? You gonna Makes mouth

42sound You bought already Like you have Are

42 2 you gonna pick your date June second Or...423

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1424Im thinking like June

14254 6 HERSI: Ill tell you as advice try to book it at least a month in

1427advance Its better for you And try to book it with a

1428 credit card Its betterforyou on that sense right?429

I E Why is that?1431

1432 HERSI: Cause if you ever book things with just cash and you

1433book it in a short notice thats red flag central right

1434 there And youre gonna go1435

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1438 HERSI: be put on some no fly list yeah Theyll say Muslim

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guy with cash First of all where do you get all this144 cash from? Second of all why is he spending cash?1441 And why is he booking it so late right? You put a1442 month in advance you know even a month and a443 half theyll say okay hes going on a trip you know?

1444Bu t you put and and if you only take like you

1445 know small possessions with you it kinda looks bad446 on you right?

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8 So like what.. Okay see now thats what was449 gonna ask you wh at do you actually plan on

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452 HERS I: Bring ing all my clothes Stuff. My lap top .

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HERS I: Clothes, laptops uh any Laughs any thing can457 bring that is carryab le right? Electronics my iPod.

Obvious ly Im not gonna bring like a TV cause that

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would be kinda... Im not gonna bring a cat cause 46 don t have a cat. bring whatever can bring.

46462 Is is there like any other uh Actua lly its fun ny

463 you mentio n tha t think have it here. R us tling

464sound took this from work. You ever.., you ever

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67HERS I: What is this?

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47] HERS : Oh shit this is nice. What... What are you gonna get1472 from Bass Pro?

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I1476 HERSI: Get like a fishing rod?147747 8 Yeah.

147948 HERSI: Laughs1481

1482 Laughs Yeah a fishing rod.148348 4 HERS : Oh yeah.1485

1486 Keep looking through the pages.148748 8 Sound of paper rustling1489

i4o HERS : Laughs Ooooh149149 2 Theres some like cool stuff in there. was like...

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1494 HERSI: hat the hell? Thats sixteen-ninety-nine. hat is

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149649 7 Sound of paper rustling

1499HERSI: You know you really cant just buy this off the shelf.

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5 Mouth noise No you see Unintelligible if you buy a

1502 a firearms license.

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5 4 tI ERSI: You have PAL ph right 15055 6 Yeah.

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1508 HERSI G rsth -ye acquisition?1509

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5 2 HERSI: hat the hell is thatBarretta Black ater1513

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1539 reading an article about Somali pirates1540

1541 Yeah.1542

543 HERSI: and these guys have uh if SomaH pirates can1544 get it anybody can get it1545

1546 Yeah but theyve got a bit

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1550 more money.

15511552 HERSI: No no Somali pirates are not richer than1553 Al Shabaab. Trust me theyre not If Al Shabaab is1554 They control ports right?555

556 Okay.

1558 HERSI: Contro they get they get millions of dollars in1559 revenue. They they force the pirates to give them156 some revenue cause theyre legally they have a1561 right to take nty percent right? And its not like

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562 like a cr iminal thing Its like the... the rig ht that Allah563 placed upon them cause they have to help that564 money and give it to the poor and the needy right So

565trust me they have this stuff The on ly thing would

566 advise you is take cash with you man Take cash567 with you to Kenya right cause when you go on a trip

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to Kenya use that Pay cash. Cause Kenya also has569 a lot of things you can get there You go to57

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577578 HERSI: For pretty cheap. You can pretty much get anythingAnything thats being sold in the world you can get

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f585 HERSI: th ink you did. Which kinda sucks. No th ink you586 gotta keep on going straight.

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588 Oh yeah its righ t after the bridge thi nk .589

HERSI: Yeah. But anyhow Did you leave the lights on or59 something?592

593 Yeah was lookin g at it last time couldnt find it594

595 Rustling sounds596

597 HERS I: th ink that only Oh theres another button there598

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16 1 HERSI: Close the door man thats kinda dangerous

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6 6 HERSI: Okay go straight. Dont wo rry about it cant even6 7 really read what this is. When we go to Best Buy well

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16 8check it out.

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1612 HERSI: rust me Laughs wouldnt advise you to ever pack1613 thisstuffwithyou

16141615 wasnt thinking of packing it was thinking of uh1616 gettingit1617

1618 HERS I: h ip ping it?69

1620 sending it in advance

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1622 HERS1: If you do that thats probably better for you.

1623624 But youre s ying that theyll have it so625

62 6 HERSI: No, no, but if youre gonna package it and send it like1627 that1628

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1631 HERSI: wouldnt mind. would... I... I... would.. 1632 would.. is.. ee the thing is you can do it you can1633 do it man. Do whatever you think is in your interest,1634 man.

1635 636 But if dont have to spend the money.1637

638 HERSI ave the money and probably you can get it there for 1639 cheaper In Somalia you can buy anything, man . In i io China you can buy anything. Like this would cost like

1641 one tenth of what it would cost here. 1642

643 Laughs Obviously yeah.1644

16 15HERSI: Yeah this is like a scam. Everything here is artificially

infl atedyou know? So you can get like a a pistol

1647 for like a hundred bucks, man. Theyl l charge you like1648 seven eight hundred dollars probably for a pistol 69 right?

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654 would spend almost two thous n dollars on a freekni6 s ph Is that a shotgun?656

6 7 Look s like it Yeah think

6586 9 HERSI Unint el lig iblef 6666 think it is a shotgun

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663 HERSI: Yeah it is a shotgun Better be powerful for two664 thousand do llars You can probably get one a small

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668 669 HERSI: three fou r hundred bucks you know? 6767 Im sure it hurts your shoulder672

673 HERS I: Im sure its probably better if you were to buy your 674 own stuff down there675 676 So dont have to wo rry about it then

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678HERSI: Just just take cash with you . Remember dont ever

679 take over ten thousand hat s a problem68

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HERSI : Even under even under If you were to take nine685 thousand it kin da looks suspicious Take three fou r

68 6thousand its your trip. Put some on like a debt

687 card or you could transfer it f you know what

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69 HERSI : you know what mean Just have an account to692 transfer to another account over there Wi re transfer693 right? You know what mean

694695 Yeah

697HERS I: Just talk to your ban bank In advance and your e

698 allowed to do that right? Or even to DEHABSCHILD

699ph you n send it to DEHAB DEHABS CHILD

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320 HERSI: This... Yeah this picture was... is no t like that old,321 right. Maybe this is like... e h Unintelligible . 322

3 3 You dont know him, you just knew he... from he ring324 about it325326 HERSI: No, know... know him from *peace be upon you327 Unintelligible3 8

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331 HERSI: Now do know couple Ufiifdethgibe like my personal332 friend. tell you. This guy... Laughs dont know...333 Unintelligible33433 5 You dont know if wanna what? As what?

336337 HERSI: Listen, check this out, this guy went to Somalia.338 Unintelligible See him right here, hes one of the

guyswho went to Somalia Hes actually in Somalia

340 Lkiin.tethgible hes on Facebook. See that? This is341 Unintelligible right here.

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343 He went from Toronto?

HERSI: Yeah he use.. used to go to my *mosque same344 high school and everything Like think a year

347 younger th n me .3484 9 IA Yeah.

350 35t HERSI: Hes go t the beard, the *turban Hes in Somalia352 right there, you can see hes in Somalia, right, the

353 background, hes in Al-Shabaab ph ) camp. Laughs

Nice. What? What kind of first name is that?

357 HERSI: Thats his nickname. His real name is no t Maa4 phy C c

358 His real name isAd alean ph).

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362HERS : 1kif?+eHigib1e) means light skinned in Somalia, right,

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365 Oh yeah?

367 HERSI: e h thats what it Uffuiieffigitle Cause guess his

368 brother... his brother is really dar k, right, his brother369

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37 HE RSI: Hu h?

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376 HE RSI: Same parents same parents one is really dark, one

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383 Do you still talk to him though?

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38838 9 HERSI: dont wanna get like.. .they stop me and say what390 the hell are you doing here? One other guy know

39hes like Unintelligible he was trying--- he was trying

392 to add my other friend here in Toronto, right.

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395396 HERSI: Recently. Hes like Im no t gonna add him. Were

397still friends but Im not adding him while Im in

39X Toronto. Laughs) dont want no problems. dont399 want no problems.

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4 3HERSI: If... If Bin Laden ph was my brother Unintelligible

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405 Yeah its... its almost i e not t o Facebook.

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HERSI: Facebook is not exactly the best UirteUibIe4 2

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4i5 HERSI: Its like they catalogue all the pictures of you They 416 record your conversations...

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4 8 Pictures and... All your pictures that you upload and 419 stuff like that.

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423 Theyre not yours. Like they can use them as they 424 wish.

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426 HERS : Yeah, only added one picture in my Facebook, thats427 just my main.., main picture, its small and yo u can

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43043432 HERSI: It was like a picture that--- Im not gonna add too433 many. might add couple o pictures, childhood

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pictures but thats all Im gonna do Im not gonna435 add modern pictures.

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So hes over there cause hes hes already sale438 and hes made it

440 HERSI: Hes been there...44

442 So hes...

444 HERSI: . .for about a year and a half

I446 So hes t rying to add people? Does he not realize the447 trouble he get him in or he just?448

449 HERSI: I dont know dont know dont know if hes450 realizing that but hes in that picture. You can see him45 in a shed in Somalia right452

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459 HERSI: ..Yeah so doesnt kinda look exactly smart. uthey460 hes a good brother, remember him we used to go

I461 to high school together. Hes a quiet guy very quiet,462 extremely quiet Like you talk to him you say wha463 (ph) pe be upon you whats up how you464 doing? U tet1i4e-My personal relationship wasnt

I i 465 that eoel-with-bia -with-each other, you know just466 chilled but hes very quiet.467

us a r 468 (Uiiite1I4gi1e) youll meet him again though.I

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470 HERSI: You never know Maybe. Maybe hell pass away471 before do or pass before he does. Who knows, if

472Allah...

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f 474 Bu t you know thats not the end, right.

476 HERSI: Yeah, you maybe see him in *paradise (4J1eUg4Ie) you never know. Hes a good guy tell

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480 swear almost thought you said you use to go to481 Church together Laughs and was like what? 482

483 HERSI: Churchill, Winston Churchill484

485 Yeah your high school. 486 \s

487 HERSI: Me and him Geftd4e, remember Gendce, the guy 488 was telling you about, the other guy?

489490 The... Yo u talked to him before...491

492 HERSI: Yeah, yeah, yeah.493 Unintelligible he passed. 495

496 HERSI: . He went there. A couple of other guys. Ah one or

497 two other guys know also went there but not them

498 too well know those two well This guy and Ahmed499 ph and then know some other guy but not too well

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5 4 HLRSI: wothousand nine505

506Oh recently.

507SOS HERSI: Late two thousand nine. Like he went... my friend that

509you know

5105 See keep thinking itstwo thousand ten.

5125 3 HERSI: think its like yesterday like5145 5 ..Yeah5 6sii HERSI: ...last year right youre like...

SiS19 ...Yeah.520521 HERSI: . .two thousand nine. What?

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523 It doesnt seem...

524525 HERSI: They went.. They went only in November two

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526 thousand nine or October two thousand nine. You527 know that was not too long ago. 528529 Ah was in another53

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533 .world at that time.535 HERSI: WeB my friend died in March two thousand ten this536 month.

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Oh thats like...53954 HERSI: Its only been541

542 .deeth- Ur tei year

s44 HERSI: like about a year. The middle

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549 to his house, his parents house when he passedaway. They h you know Unintelligible)... 551

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572HERS Not even a parent. think mOst Somalis look t it from

573 a very secular perspectve cause Semela* -4ve

574 secular Unte{1iibIe

576 Mm hmm.

578 HERSI: for... for all of their existence.579

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581582 HERSI: In Somalia you see...583

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586 HERSI: Unintelligible You look t the seventies and the

587sixties, no hijab, nothing. Like w r talking about inmy family.

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590 That had a lot...591592 HERSI: . ..My mom...593

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596 HERSI: ...goeswhenshewasyounger...I

ItaHan influence.599

600 HERSI: she says her family was relatively conservative 601 because shes... when she was a teenager they didnt

602 want no hijab you know. And then in the eighties 603 people started wearing hijabs Unintelligible . And in 604 the nineties people wear veils Chuckles605 everybody Unintelligible

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607 . Yeah.60869 HERSI: When you go to Somalia now you dont see one

610 woman without a hijab. Bu t if you go back twenty-five611 thirtyyearsago...612

6 Itd probably be the opposite.614ois HERSI: it would be the opposite. Hijab was very rare. You616 saw women in the jungle like... like in the... the617 *desert they wearing the, you know like the... they


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618 have the... just covering their... their hair.619

620 Yeah.621

622 HERSI: Unintelligible women would have their breasts out, t623 was like Laughs thirty years ago talking... the

624nomadic ladies, they would walk around like almost

625 naked, you knowwhat mean.626

627 its a different culture though.628

629 HERSI: Bu t Im saying thats... 630631 ...Yeah.632

633 HERSI: . .thats Somalia. And thats a Muslim country a634 hundred percent, right. When you think about t

635Egypt, same thing. You go to Egypt thirty forty years

636 ago no hijabs, right, the scholars Unirkef4i4e right. 637 The scholars were talking about... you never see a638 Qaradawi ph Unintelligible you know what mean?639

640 Yeah, the...

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642 HERSI: They Now they do Even in in today Egypt youll 643 find them some some scholars no beards644645 You send me this or should do646

647 HERSI: No648649 was gonna close it off650

651 HERSI: How much gig watts does it have? 652 653 dont know It just

It keeps a duration of how Cong654 you use655

656 HERSI: hit says you have two hundred and sixty something657658 Yeah65966 HERSI: Okay thats it you can close it Lets go Were661 done662663 Yeah let me to let me make sure its closed off

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664 think got665 666 HERSI: Yeah Im telling you now but Im saying tell

667 you this from personal experience the world is668 changing very quickly. Who wouldve thought670 Just look in671672 HERSI: in the last two months673674 And its about to be675

676 HERSI: Unintelligible Hosni Mubarak677678 Its a679680 HERSI: .681

682 Even in the time683684 HERSI: Unintelligible685686 And thats Unintelligible

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687688 HERSI: But you know the best thing ever Ill tell you dont689 leave any closed doors you know cause see these

690guys they... they... they k ind o f became quite open

691 that they...692

69 3 About...

694695 HERSI: .that they were going there and theyre never

696coming back Now he... thi s guy cant ever come back

697 to Canada unless he goes to... hell be thirty years tolife right you know what mean.

699700 Cause...701

702HERSI: Cause hes quite open about it right and his parents

703 also you know704705 They knew?

706

70 7HERSI: Big news you know Not h is parents specifically but

k708 people Ic 4ow -Hen where is he? UeUigb4e AN709

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710Yeah yeah.

7117 2 HERSI: Then they find out they have flight manifests right

713Laughs Those guys too are on their way to Somalia,

714 you know. Unintelligible715

7 6Oh did they?

7177 8 HERSI: think to Kenya. They went to Kenya.

71972 Serious?721

722 HERS1: Yeah theyre already in Kenya Unintelligible my723 boy... the other guy here he went straight to724 Somalia remember what told you? Unintelligible

72526 Ken.727728 HERSI: Yeah.72973 Kenny? Kenny?731732 HERSI: Yeah He went straight to there He actually came

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Iback. Then he came... and then he went back

L C..734 U e). 735736

737

j 738 Crowd continues to be heard739

740 HERSI; tefl you in the car.741

742 Whats that?743 744 HERSI; Ill tell you in the car. 746 Yeah, yeah You wanna grab your thing now? You

747 wanna grab your thing now from the trunk?748

74 HERSI: feel like Im a fourteen year old man.750

75 Laughs752

75 HERSI: If really just shaved off all my beard...754755 Youd look like one

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7 7 HERSI: and if had like one of those... like you know those 758 like ah really really really shaved, clean shaved, 7 9 think can pass off as a seventeen year old760 UriUigiN761

76 Wanna grab that now before you forget? Before763 you...76

76 HERSI: Cause Ive seen some fifteen year olds with a thick766 beard, Im like how do they grow such thick beards?767

768 S d Genetics.769

770 HERSI: And the... cause theyre Indian too Laughs Thats771 gott be r ce772773 Laughs Theyre b... Theyre born with a goatee.

774

775 HERSI: No was telling you. I was like... saw one kid Im

776like wish could grow that, right He had like a thick

777 one, like were talking thick like fifteen sixteen years778 old Im like Sound of car doors opening and closing

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they saw me and him theyd be like hes older than

78 you, right. 781 782 Yeah.

783

78 HERSI: Thats not true. They... They They most Somatis 785 cant... you see my the Imam... You wanna go there

786 one day? Well...787

788 Whats that?78979 HERSI: go there, well go to that amosque the Somali

791 *mosque right.

792

Okay.

795 HERSI: Hes the guy that spoke against ah all the kids that796 went, right. Hes anti AI Shabaab Laughs

798 Whos dont know who that is.799

800 HERSI: Kin d of ironic , eh? Sheikh Saeed ph , SheikhSaeed Rageh ph. You know Sheikh Saeed Rageh

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802 ph , Sheikh Saeed ph Unintelhgible .803804 No.

805806 HERSI: Hes a Sornalian Imam of.. of.. of... of... Imam Abu807 Huraira ph , right.

808809 Okay.810 811 HERSI: Hes anti PJ-Shabaab, right. So he put a message812 cause they bombed Hargeysa ph right. dont know813 ifhesa tribalist Laughs or...or what butwhen they814 were bombing other citiesAlShabadb, he doesnt815 care but when the bombed ha.... He put a message816 out, right, cause he... hes from the northern part of817 Somalia, right.818819 Okay.820

2I HERSI: So dont know whats going on but anyhow he822 hates... he doesnt he like them. He thinks theyre...823 theyre... theyre... He has a very messed up... He824 talks about, you know, that J word, right, every time,

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8 5 right 8 6

8 7 Oh88

829 HERSI: nd then he...83

8 Ends with the D?83

8 HERSI: And then And... Yeah, yeah But he doesnt like834 when it happens in Somalia but he likes it it835 happens in Afghanistan or... its very iro nic eh.836

837 Yeah.838

839 HERSI: eople are like oh may Allah bless the brothers in84 Afghanistan and then when you ta lk about Oh oh84 No? Laughs They believe t can only happen in84 ert in areas in the world84

8 Hm m845

846 HERSI; You know?847

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848 Oh thats what we were trying to connect to84985 HERSI; What?

852 Kings Cross.853

854 HERSI: Is that it?855856 was wondering what that word was but its that car857 dealership.858859 HERSI: Laughs Oh geez. Crazy86086 Yo u said you were gonna... Oh thats what you were862 gonna say in the car about him?

86364 RS Thats my bag? You got it out right865866 Yeah, yeah.867

f 868 HERSI: Oh sweet. Yeah, man, Im telling you was gonnabuy a cheaper one for thirty bucks online870

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87 Just give me ten dollars.872

HERSI; Fifteen bucks cause that was874

875

876

877 HERSI: thirty plus tax 878 879 wi th tax Yeah, yeah yeah

88

gsi HERSI: Laughs How... Bu t then they cancelled my order

882 online so said okay Im not gonna wait for twenty 883

days plus you guys playin g games with me and that.884 just get a bg Cause its all about now you know885 leave in tw nty Ive got tw nty days left alright I886 887 Are you...888

889 HERSI: 89

89 Are you Laughs counting them down now?892

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f 894 leaving895896 Its around the corner897

898 HERSI: Yeah its exactly around the corner so don t give a899 sh it no more wh en internet people give me shit. But

90 anyhow so yeah ah what was gonna say to you?9019 2 dont know. You said youll tell me in the car.903

94 HERSI: So yeah yeah what was I...

90596 Ah we were talking about Kenny,907

908 HERSI: Oh yeah no the guy the guy was telling you. See99 how they they they cut off kind of their ah910 possibiflties to come back?

912 Okay yeah913

914 HERSI: And And Unintelligible...I

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918 HERSI: Yeah bridges for a future opportunities You know9 9 you dont wanna like leave those opportunities Like job

92 opportunities in in in the future right9Mm hm m

923

924 HERSI: So you don t wanna leave other opportunities open925 closed rig ht Its wrong right You have to leave all

926 the all available doors for you rig ht927 928 But what does Is there not concern of ah coming

929 back?93

9 HERSI: What Wh de if932

Whats waiting for you

935 HERSI: they say why936

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9 uthor ity wise942

943 HERSI: Huh?944 Like authority wise

946

947 HERSI: No theres no its theres no such problem948 cause as lon g as you dont have lik e a mommy and

949 daddy saying why did my son go away right 9595 Yeah95

953 HERSI: Cause these guys were a bit younger right

955 Yeah956

HERSI: nd not even even about younger their parents still958 wanted to know where they were rig ht their959 parents didnt care about where they were they

96 couldve got away wit h anything right ut since you96 in a way are kinda independent962

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963 na964

965 HERS : right...966

967 lna968

969 HERS: Unintelligible97

9 more beneficial position.

972

c73 HERSI: In better,.. Same with me hopefully, rig ht , cause

my mom once if go to Egypt, if get married or975 whatever shell just say Laughs) now youre an adult,976 get away from me, right .

978 j You have your own...

HERSI: Yeah, your own life. Don t worry. She wont... Shel l

98 call me once once a month, righ t. nd Ill ca ll her98 once a week or whatever, right.

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J986 HERSI: Or well call on Skype and talk right you know.

987 Laughs Otherwise thats really it you know what mean? Itll be pretty...

989990 Youre twenty five.991

992 HERSI: Yeah, Im twenty five years old. Im not a baby no993 more, right. These guys were not even.., they were994 only twenty-two twenty-three when they left and thats995 still supposed to be more responsible still right. Bu t996 their parents were like wh y did you go? Right. Like if

had left three years ago or two years ago...

998ggg Do you think your mom would be...1000

1001 HERS I: . my mom wouldvebeen all over the news with it

1002 She wouldve been like my son is missing. He was1003 kidnapped by some Unintelligible Laughs you

know. Yo u know what mean? And then wouldve

1005 been screwed. could never come back, you know.10061 7 ...Yeah.

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009 HERSL But now I... Im a bit older. Im bit more more my own man right.loll 2 SR Patience. 3

4 HERSI eahAnd my mom doesnt care lus its also better

5 for me G od willing cause now Im like if... if 6 anybody asks me what were you doing here or there 7 Ill be like look Im a twenty -five year old man mind 1018 your business, right 9

2 got married

222 HERSI: Yeah, I got this and was trying to learn Arabic, its 23 none of your business after that. As the KIu Klux Klan

24

say they say have nothing to say Laughs if you 25 ever get stopped by Authorities. Thats what the Klu

26 Klux Klan say, you know. Theres fives words, have 27 nothing to say, thats it Then they cant bug you 28 cause you have to have proof, righ t for anything.

29Then you just mind you own business, you know. So

3 whenever you do anything youre... youre your own

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32 wanna go learn Arabic or Swahili or you wanna go

33 m rry34

35 Unintell igible36

37 HERSI: you wanna get be polygamous its none of your 8 business Ill tell them you know. Nobody has any

rightsto know no Hey I I Im not breaking any

4 anadian law

4042 Worse they can do is say you cant come back righ t43

44 HERSI: No they cant do that Thats against the law Itll be 45 against my46

47 Unin telligible 48

049 HERSI: constitutional right5

5 Yeah cause of citzenship52

53 HERSI: Im a citizen If was one of those landed they could 54 probably revoke me but would say you cant revoke

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I 55 my citizenship, you know. You kno w what 56 And i they put you on a No Fly list you can fly

57 technica lly from say from ah... from ah... Lip flap ping 58 sound from ... as long as... 59 6 Ma ritimes and youre... 6]1 62 HER SI: Maritim es yeah.f 63

1 64 ...not crossing... 65

66 HE RSI: Exactly. Remember? 67 eahyeah.69

1 7 HERSI: So nobody can stop you you know. And the only way

7 to get on one of those No Fly list s is if you do 72 something really really.. you know. You just don t 73 allow to be... you... you cant be prominent you know

74 what mean. You gotta be ah Mark Wahlberg-ing it75 you know. Laughs . You gotta just be like in and out76 l and out quiet you know.

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I1 78 No Oscar.1 79

8 HERSI: always pictured myself...

1 882 Do nt win the Oscar Just be1 83

1 84 HERSI: always...1 85 86 Laughs1 87

s HERSI: Yeah, always pictured as as as a as type of1 89 ah you kn ow like silent assassin Laughs you1 9 know what mean. 1 91

1 92 Laughs1 93

94 HERSI; dont know what trying to say here but you know1 95

96 Yeah.1 97

98 HERSI: You gotta be quiet about everything, you kn ow Bu t1 99 some o those people deserve to you kno w get get11 what they whats coming to them, you kno w you

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101 ever insult the Prophet AIlahs peace and blessings1102 be upon him you deserve cer... a certain outcome1103 you know.1104

05 Especially that ah... remember... cant remember

iioo her name. Theres that girl in the US....1107fl08 HERSI: Yeah she...1109II who did that thing on Facebook.1111

112 HERSI: . Yeah yeah shes the one who put the... the...11131114 Trying to tell everybody to do it1115

II HERSI: ...To oah... ah do it Yeah that lady deserves....1117 Shes under... Shes under a life protection right now.118

1119 Ohyeah?1120

121HERSI: Constant surveillance everyday. Which is... Now her

1122 life is screwed for the rest of her life you know1123

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1124 Cause of her stupid Bu t the thing is shes ignorant125

26 HERSI: No but not even ignorant She still deserves to get it1127 you know1128

1129 S Shes ignorant1131131 HERSI: Theres1132

S Thats all Im gonna leave1134

1135 HERSI: Theres1136

37 it at that1138

39 HERSI: Until the Day of Judgement she she as long as114 shes alive somebody has to get her and114]

42 Da1143

44HERSI: Its not because shes a woman In Even

1145 Remember Did you ever listen to the tape by thing1146 ah ah Mister ah the article ah the last article

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70 HERSI: in the video1171

1172 the probably took it down.

1173

1174 HERSI: he goes... he talks about it No they put it on and1175 on, on and off its like a... a constant battle. He has

176 like a bunch of...1177

.,.Ohbecause...

1179 iso HERSI: .videos on...1181

1182 ...different people can put it on.1183184 1 IERSI: Yeah.

11851186 You can just upload it yourself.1187iiss HERSI: can upload it tomorrow, you know if had it can

just keep on making new accounts and uploading it190 right. Upload thirty different ones, right. ndthen

191

Youtube is not Unintelligible unless somebody flags1192 it and then they re-flag it It just keeps on going up

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240 him right you know sending letters saying bad stuff124 you know spreading it right And he caught one of

1242 those guys one of the like the leaders of them arid1243 personally did itto the guy He gave him a goodbye1244 right nd that guy is probably getting punished til this

1245 very day in hellfire right Good for him right Bu t1246 anyhow its just right here on the right hand side1247

1248 h yeah1249 1250 HERSI: ll tell you this man dont dont ah leave any books

1251 closed and you know what mean1252

1253 neverthought of it like that cause knowyou

1254 mentioned before dont close any books dont close1255 any chapters12561257 HERSI: Plus its probably better258

1259 And12601261 HERSI: cause you have the op opportunity to come

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64 Um Ah with under less suspicion265

66 HERSI: Yeah cause your pops is not gonna be like wheres 267 my son?

268

269 And27

7HERSI: Your pops doesnt reall y like you know doesnt follow

272 you like a little kid does he?273

74No cause they told the they wanted me to come a

275 long time ago bu t my stubbornness urn only saw this276 world this this way of the wo rld At that time 277 didn t want to leave This is the only thin g knew278

79 HERSI: You love Canada right8

8 Thats all know282

83 HERSI: Yeah284

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HERSI: Fitness o if you since its gonna get warmer next3 month

3 4 Yeah yeah3 5

36 HERSI: When Im leaving just give you the vest37

38 The Is it like for running and stuff like that39

32

HERSI: For For Do when youre doing push ups when32 youre jogging Its heavy You can take the weights322 out and adjust it You can bring it down in weight or323 up to weight3 4

32 5 Yeah3 6

327 HERSI: by taking out things Its like forty pounds Itll Itll328 give you a real workout329

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HERSI: You can take it ou t and make it ten pounds you1333 can make it whatever right334335 INM Yeah336

337 HERSI: So Ill give you that when before before eaving1338 okay

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