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LloydState of nature leads to state of warConflict from competition for resources
Will fear that people will invade them, sothey'll go for anticipatory self-d
Pre-emptive attack Conflict furthered by religious and moraldisagreementsHobbes, manNo common authority War of all against all
Only oppressive government can stop theatrocities of the state of nature
Solves innately evil things from the SoN
Huge impacts hereHobbesNo commodities, no geography, no time,arts, letters, society Life would suck No trade/tech advancement
Impact is violence and no development
And, econ
Amy My study has better methodology Oppressive gov't k2 econ Leeson
Incentivzed to promote econ growth sothey benefit
World Bank data. Looks at pre- and post-statelessness. Looks at anarchy from 2000-2005.
Government can lessen economicinequality, must turn to gov'tLack of econ inequality When no laws, individuals can do as theyplease bc no laws
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1AR 2NR it is common knowledge that people that makelaws are governments and that people thatmake rules that people follow are in authority,this is common knowledge, people in authorityform governments
The OED is updated every year, it's online, better reviewing process than The FreeDictionary, OED is older Wiktionary can be edited by everyone
People cooperate bc they have an incentive tocooperate, but their incentive is based onthem getting a benefit. But if I'm on acommunal farm where I benefit, industrialsocialism fails because people free-ride.Benefits people more if they don't cooperate.Cooperation wouldn't happen. Incentive is hisonly warrant. People would constantly fearattack; he dropped that warrant.
people like the incentive to cooperate; it's beneficial and in people's interests to have self-enforcing contracts
Hobbes has no warrant
His impact will never outweigh extinction, veryeasy to negate
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extNo government database but there was still adatabase, prefer Leeson, more credible
sample size outweighs
ext that this isn't an econ impact
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Judge Comments
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1NC 1AR I concede util
Anarchy better for econ
Leeson 1 Leeson in that study admitted that they are not completelySomalia is doing better
Leeson 12Leeson 2 No statistical analysis or information on Somalia. There
isn't yet data post the recent conflict. Intense civil warfollowed gov't collapse.
Somalia's economy is boomingService/hospitality/communications/multinationalcorporations/transportation/construction/restaurants/hotels
SCTIFG class proves no long-term impact, his impact wasecon. The conflict causes violence!
Increased confidence in Somalia econ High levels of armed conflict mean econ development isn'tpossible. Alternate causality to improved econ
development.Statelessness key GM is in Somalia right now
Business growth o/w econ inequality More businesses means more people making $
his impacts aren't about growth
Bloomberg and Hess 02Growth solves nuclear warStudies prove
Leeson 3Life expectancy in Somalia is improvingInfant mortality fallen by a lotSanitation increasedTB has decreasedPoverty has decreased
Rummel
Anarchy will prevent more deaths
Democide Absolute power kills absolutely
Genocide/mass murder by governmentsMillions killed
Prefer it A. Massive Sample Size of 42,000 examples,largest on the topic, Hobbes is just aphilosopher, not an actual study
Moller
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Anarchy solves terrorism bin Laden and co. relocated to Afghanistan
under control of the Taliban Afghan state is haven for terror
Morgan 9ExtinctionIt could go nuclear
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countries with war can still have growth, they can still grow
lack of a gov't was what led to the benefits
LeesonSomalia performed better when it was stateless
ex Leeson 1 and 2
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extThe more power people have, the more violence there is
His definition says we need to have power in the first place, sohe triggers this argument
he concedes sample size is key; my impacts come first, biggeststudy on the topic
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no safe havens in anarchy
extterrorism will go nuclearmassive escalationgame over!
prefer extinction impactsa. Severity, death is the worst violation b. Reversibility, can't reverse deathc. All plant life and animal life will die which means mostpossible sufferingHe can win every card but dropped the terror scenario
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2NR 2AR Judge Comments
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1NC 1AR No government is the same as oppressive government My definition stands, so an oppressive govt isn't legitimate
because it has a position of authority. It's still agovernment. It's not the same thing.
Uzgalas
Neither government fit the function of a government
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They're the same based on their definitionIn the state of nature, there's no controlHe says government is a system of control
LockePeople won't consent to an oppressive government
Oppressive gov't puts people in a SoNThus, oppressive govt is no government
Triggers presumption since we're comparing two alike things
Presume neg1. Limited correct judgments, infinite incorrect ones
2. Aff gets infinite prep time3. No reason to prefer one system over another, if neither isdesirable, I've met my burden
Prefer substantive presumption args, k2 topic eduNotes (me)CALL FOR THE OFF(also presumption is probably impossible in a util debate)
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2AR 2NR 2ARThe voter is to vote on cooperation
I do have a warrant, he dropped the preservation warrant
People will attempt to preserve themselves, includingcheating such as free-riding, people won't cooperate
SoN will still be a state of war War of all vs all
He drops the long term impactNo long-term impact since it fell into conflict 5 yrs afteranarchyex the long-term impact, there was only a short 5 yearimpact and then after the 5 years it fell into chaos
I win on economy! The impacts left are extinction andterror
Magnitude -- War of all vs all has same magnitude asextinction, equal chance of killing everyoneProbability -- Equal chance of killing everyone else bceveryone can, war means retaliationStill a probability that terrorists will be deterred by ournukesI outweigh on probability and have equal magnitude
I've won econ bc Leeson fallsGrowth is dependent on leeson, short-term impactI provide economic equality, which when kept stable
allows for steady growth rate
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1AC 1NC
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