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It is no secret that the Splash-In at Cedar Mills is one of my favorite events of the year. I think I have been there more years that OSH.

For four days, the Fullers and myself camped in our coaches and took in all the weekend festivities.

Experimental Aircraft Association! ! Chapter 168 !Dallas

Article Index2017 Splash In Cover

Monthly Schedule page2

News and Notices page 3

Snake River Part 2 page 4ADS-B Explained page 6

Onex Update page 9

Upcoming Events page 10

For Sale Page 11

November 2017

SPLASH�IN�2017by�Michael�Stephan

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Unfortunately, the weather really did a number on the fly-in this year. It is a rare occurrence that bad weather has hurt the attendance. Low ceilings are common on Saturday morning, but they burn off early and the planes start to stack up. This year, the forecast was for severe weather on Saturday and that did happen, not at Cedar Mills but about 50 miles north were tornados and high winds tore through parts of Oklahoma on Saturday night. But there were some that mode it in. Fellow member and Cessna 320 pilot Ted Harrison and his son landed at Cedar Mills and stayed for lunch. Also as a surprise, Kodiak Aircraft brought two Kodiaks to show. The floatplane landed on the water and beached next to the marina. Although the planes were fewer, many people drove in to attend the safety seminars and the evening’s dinner and presentation. So, many of us still enjoyed the weekend. After the front passed, Sunday was a beautiful day.

Next year’s fly-in will make up for this year’s. So mark your calendars now.

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Nov 7th Chapter MeetingThe August Chapter meeting will

be on Tuesday Nov 4th at the Farmers Branch Library, located on the northwest corner of Webb Chapel and Golfing Green Dr. The meeting will be held in the auditorium and begin at 6:30 p.m. with socializing and coffee. The program will begin promptly at 7 p.m. and finish by 9:00 p.m.

This month our featured speaker will be Luck Louque from Air Salvage of Dallas. Lucky will speak about his experiences and how to safely fly and maintain our aircraft.

Lucky is an important local resource for information, and we are look forward to his return to our Chapter meeting. So be sure to attend and bring your questions.

Should be very interesting. Hope to see you there.

November Fly-in EventsBy Michael Stephan

The Fall Fly-in season is here. Put some of these dates on your calendar. Details on page 10

Nov 7th Board MeetingThe November BOD meeting will be on Tues Nov 7th in

Farmers Branch Library Auditorium at 5:30pm. A summary of the minutes from the Oct BOD meeting recorded by Pete Miller are as follows:Meeting called to order by Michael Stephan at 1735. Minutes from the previous meeting approved.Officers/Directors in Attendance: Michael Stephan, Ann Asberry, Mel Asberry, Norm Biron, Jim Canniff, Pete Miller, Jim Novak, Bruce Fuller and Sam Cooper.Chapter MeetingsNov 7, Dec 4 (Christmas Party)Board of Directors MeetingsNov 7, Dec 4

GENERAL MEETING, SPEAKER / SUBJECTNov 7: Lucky LouqueDec 4: (Monday): Christmas Party

YOUNG EAGLES The YE event planned on September 23 in Ennis for Boy Scouts was cancelled.Norm has been in contact with 2 adults for Eagle Flights.

TREASURER REPORTSam discussed the Treasurer’s Report for September. There were 1 new members and 6 membership renewals. We have 70 paid members. The web hosting bill for the year has been paid. Sam discussed the financials and the budget for YTD.

OLD BUSINESSDiscussed the raffle for Rich Graham’s session with the SR-71 simulator at Frontiers of Flight. 100 tickets are being sold at $10.00/ea. The deadline is December 1 with the drawing held at the Christmas Party. The ticket sellers will record the name and contact information of the buyer. This information will be transcribed to uniform tickets to be used for the drawing. To date 19 tickets have been sold.An EAA Chapter Leader Boot Camp is being held by 1246 at KTKI on October 7.

NEW BUSINESSJim Caniff visited Dallas Maker Space. There was discussion about how this could be introduced to Chapter members. A “Project Visit” is the most likely scenario.Pete has sent an email to Paul Marcum regarding the schedule for 2018.The December Board meeting will be held on Tuesday, December 5 at 1900 in a video conference using Zoom. Pete will set it up and invite. The meeting was adjourned at 1820.

Saturday, Nov 4, 2017First Saturday Coffee and Donuts, McKinney,McKinney National Airport (TKI)

Saturday, Nov 4, 2017Pecan Plantation Fall Fly -IN, Granbury TX

November 3, 4, and 5 Critters Lodge Fly-In (WX Dates Nov 10,11 and 12)TE01-Dillard Ranch (Private) Centerville, TX

December 9, 2017 8AM-3PM Air Salvage of DallasCHRISTMAS SALE & FLY-IN

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Social media sites

www.facebook.com/eaa168

www.twitter.com/eaa168 (@eaa168)

Builder Web SitesPete Miller’s RV-7 smilinpete.com/wp/Jim Novak’s RV-8 www.mykitlog.com/izzybearGreg Schroeder’s Sportsman www.mykitlog.com/schroeder1

Our Chapter rarely does fundraising, but some gifts are too generous to turn down. Recently Col. Rich Graham, Wing Commander author of five books on the SR-71, offered and hour of his time to give a personal tour of the SR-71 display at the Frontiers of Flight Museum including time in the front seat of the SR-71 simulator.

So, we are using Rich’s gift to raise funds for our Chapter members. We plan to use this money to aid builders and flyers to safely complete and fly their aircraft. We plan on doing this through expanding our tool library. The library consists of tools that a builder seldom needs but is too expensive to own. Some of these tools include the aircraft scales, fresh air respirator for those wishing to paint their own plane, and instrument hole punches to name a few. We recently added a tensiometer to our tool bin. One of the tools that needs replacing is our borescope, which is a vintage tool that is very delicate and requires frequent repair.

To raise those funds, we plan to raffle Rich’s gift. We will sell 100 tickets at $10 per ticket, giving every ticket a 1 in 100 chance of winning. We will draw the winning ticket at our Christmas Party on Monday Dec 4th. It is very simple to participate. All the tickets will be business card sized that have on them your name and contact information (either your cell number or email address). Send you money and cards to Sam Cooper (address on page 12) who will be counting the number of entries (limited to 100). If you don’t have the cards send the money and your info and we will put them on a card and toss it in the hopper. Only the first hundred entries get a shot at the prize.

We thank Rich Graham for his generosity of his time. It is quite special. The prize also includes your admission into the FOF Museum. I know if I win I will have my books ready to be autographed. This is truly a unique experience. Don’t miss out on your chance.

SR-71 RaffleBy Michael Stephan

2017 Christmas PartyBy Michael Stephan

It is time to get those reservations in for this year’s party. Sam Cooper can take your reservation. treasurer@eaa168.org

The date is Monday, Dec 4th, 2017. Yes, Monday!We were unable to get our normal Tuesday and we

didn’t want to move it later in the month. So, Monday was our best option. Thanks goes to Jim Canniff who worked out all the details for us.

We are going back to the same Outback Steakhouse (1509 N Central Expy, Plano, TX 75075) we had it at last year with the only difference this year is we have the room from 5:30 PM on so we can gather early to chat.

The price for a ticket is the same as last year $20. The Outback managers suggested we use the same

serving plan as last year, and that is when a group takes their seats a server will take their order.

The menu last year worked great so it is also the same.  Salad:House or Caesar

Outback Special:6 oz Sirloin seasoned and seared on our flat top grill to lock in the flavor.

Chicken on the Barbie:8 oz Grilled Chicken Breast seasoned and cooked on our wood fire grill.

Perfectly Grilled Salmon:7 oz Filet of Salmon seasoned and cooked on our wood fire grill.

Choice of sides:Garlic Mashed PotatoesVeggiesBroccoli

Desert:Cheese Cake or Carrot Cake

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The Plains of Idaho

Within minutes of the takeoff from Rexburg, the Snake River comes into view again. The river nourishes vast fields.

Near Pocatello, ID, American Falls comes into view, with large dam and power generation station.

Next is Shoshone Falls; see the photo at the beginning of this post. Just after Shoshone Falls, the elegant, indeed delicate looking, Perrine Bridge connects the two sides of the river. Large areas of Idaho continue to be irrigated by the river.

Once we have passed Boise, ID, we turn west and after brief flight through mountainous terrain, land at Baker City, OR. The FBO provides a hangar and a courtesy car. Indeed, this is a small but busy airport, with plenty of flight activity, instruction, and plane maintenance.Grand Canyon of the Snake River

After an early takeoff from Baker City, we return to the Snake River for a spectacular trip along the Grand Canyon of the Snake River. On the way, we pass a large mining operation.

Soon we see that the name "Grand Canyon" is no exaggeration: Steep cliffs and rugged terrain force the river into a deep gorge even before we get to the official start of the Grand Canyon.

Snake River south of Rexburg

American Falls

Perrine Bridge of Twin Falls, ID

Mining near Snake River

South of the Grand Canyon of the Snake River ...

Snake River Part 2 When we left Klaus last month he was leaving the Tetons and following the Snake River into Idaho.

Klaus Truemper

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The Oxbow Dam is nestled into a U-turn of the river.

Then the Grand Canyon begins. Photography is difficult. We use the autopilot to fly circles and turn on the Terrain option of the Garmin Pilot to color portions of the map:

red (= don't go there), yellow (= caution is advised), green (= altitude is safe), and no added color (= no problem whatsoever).

When we come to the end of the Grand Canyon, we leave the Snake River since we saw the remaining portion when

we traced the route of the Lewis and Clark Expedition many years ago.

We turn left, going upstream the Grande Ronde River. It loves to meander.

We refuel in Hermiston, OR, then stay with friends Mary and Gene in Redmond, OR, for a great visit. Leading Edge, the FBO of the Roberts Field airport in Redmond, provides a hangar and first-rate service.Going Home

It's time to fly home. The stop of the first day is Brigham City, UT, where FBO Bennie of the Mountain Air Jet Center provides a hangar and courtesy car.

Next is Montrose, CO. Atlantic, the large FBO, takes pains to provide excellent service not just for corporate jets but also for private pilots. They also supply hangar space.

The third and last day is a monster schedule of more than 9 1/2 hours of flying from Montrose to Dallas. While still climbing out from Montrose at 6:30 am MDT, we have a magnificent view of the Blue Mesa Reservoir.

In Oklahoma and Texas rain and low ceilings are thrown in for good measure, as if the day wasn't tiring enough. Despite detours forced by the weather, we land at Aero Country airport with plenty of daylight to spare.

In total, we have flown 45 hours, using 148 gallons of fuel. The burn rate of 3.3 gal/hr is an amazing performance of the 80 hp Rotax 912 engine. Equally astounding, the engine has now run for 1,860 hrs during 22 years without any work on cylinders, valves, water pump, alternator, ignition, etc.

Maybe our low-rpm use of the engine, where, due to the very efficient Sensenich propeller, we can cruise at 4,400-4,500 rpm even at high altitude, has something to do with this astonishing reliability.

Oxbow Dam

Grand Canyon of the Snake River ...

Grande Ronde River

Blue Mesa Reservoir

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Dealing with the ADS-B OptionsBy Marvin Brott and Aircrew

We have seen many briefings and the internet is filled with information on ADS-B but what is needed is a little perspective on what and how to implement this FAA January 1, 2020 mandate. For the past several years a group of Chapter 168 members at Aero Country have been holding ADS-B discussions and have implemented several approaches. So, what have we learned?

A little background. ADS-B, which uses GPS satellites instead of ground-based relatively imprecise radar to determine aircraft location, is the key technology behind the FAA’s Next Generation Air Traffic Control System. And the FAA has mandated that in two years ADS-B Out equipment must be installed and working. Which raises the question, will ATC be ready to utilize GPS for aircraft positioning? I ask because apparently most ATC facilities do not yet have any ADS-B.

In order to get an understanding of what ADS-B is all about, let’s start by looking at Figure 1. Yes, I know, the aircraft at the top looks suspiciously like an RV-8. While there are many puzzling words, ADS-B is simply a transition from Radar to GPS for air space positioning. So, we are making a big jump from radar Mode C transponders on the left to ADS-B Out transmitters on the right. Radar Modes C & S positioning information is being feed through the TIS-B system to ADS-B out ground transmitters (follow the arrows). Radar feed to ADS-B is happening now and will be a required back-up for many years. If you have ADS-B In, you will see both radar and GPS position traffic. Finally, the two-aircraft nose to nose are directly communicating ADS-B Out/In information.

Figure 1 illustrates the big transition, but the implementation for aircraft owners is a lot more confusing. Over the last few years a vast number of options have become available.

We are asking ourselves two questions: 1) “What equipment will I need in my aircraft?” And 2) “How much will it cost?” And to get some answers we need to start with whether it is an Experimental or Certified aircraft? Next are we starting with a new panel or are we forced to upgrade a panel and invest in new technology just to meet the mandate. And what is an acceptable cost to be invested into this aircraft?

Figure 2 illustrates the options for compliance to the mandate that we at Aero Country have implemented, except

for number (4) which we will get to later. ADS-B components may be divided into four functional areas. First, it starts with a WAAS GPS positioning source. The GPS must meet the FAA’s performance requirements. If it is compliant but not TSO’d, it applies only to Experimentals and LSAs. TSO is the FAA’S authorization approval for both design and production. And we are talking serious money for this approval. I believe this TSO cost issue is a big stumbling block to achieving a 2020 mandate.

The second function is the ADS-B transmitter which allows you to automatically transmit more accurate and useful traffic surveillance data – including aircraft flight ID, position, altitude, velocity, climb/descent, and heading information. These transmitters can come either panel mounted or remote mounted.

Next is the ADS-B In capability which has a wide range of possibilities. Since it is simply a radio receiver, there are many low-cost options for receiving traffic and weather information. Finally displaying the received information is sort of a difficult problem. If you have a Multi-Function display as in a G3X or SkyView installation the problem is

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solved. But with no panel space the other option is an iPad or a portable GPS like a Garmin 696.

Now let’s look at the yellow numbered solutions. Number one has been implemented several times at Aero Country for Cessna’s and Bonanza’s. It’s a natural, as you replace your existing GTX 327 Mode C Transponder with a Garmin GTX 345. An all-in-one Transponder Solution for ADS-B “Out” and “In”. It can be driven by a GNT 650 WAAS GPS compliant navigation system that is already in the panel or go for the optional built-in GPS in the GTX 345. This is a simple, minimally intrusive ADS-B solution to meet the needs of a certified plane. Total cost is about 5K plus installation. Total cost may be an issue as a $6K to $8K solutions may not be too appealing when applied to a low value aircraft.

Yellow number two is the Garmin solution implemented by Richard Wingfield in his RV-14. His GTN 650 IFR capable Nav/Com, plus GTX 23 Out transponder and the GDL 39 In all became part of the integrated G3X system. The Garmin G3X system is directed towards the experimental aircraft. So, the cost of just the ADS-B was about half the GTX 345 approach.

Yellow number three is the Dynon SkyView solution that was implemented in my RV-8. As in the G3X approach, the SkyView components are remotely integrated behind the SkyView D1000 touch display. Several years ago, Richard Wingfield, an early adopter, showed me his ADS-B capabilities in his Bonanza. While interesting, at the time I felt it was something that was not worthy of the expenditure. Years later as I launched into the SkyView upgrade, the ADS-B just fell into place. Cost was similar to Garmin G3X, about 3K.

All of these systems have worked perfectly from the start. My software configuration of the ADS B output was very simple. Early this year it was a hassle to verify that your ADS-B was working. You had to fill out some paperwork, schedule a flight with the FAA and then sometime later they would contact you with a report. They realized the problem and fixed

it with the Public ADS-B Performance Report Request. Now go to the internet and fill out a simple form with the date of a past flight you want graded. Thirty minutes later the FAA sends an e-mail with the results. (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx)

While I was at Oshkosh, the FAA pavilion offered a service of checking to see if your ADS B is meeting requirements. They requested my N number and returned with my name, airplane make and a complete log of all my ADS-B flights since installed. It looked like a log book. When you click on a particular flight date it comes up with a map and a track of that flight. His comment was, “Your ASD B has been working since last February.” Needless to say, I walked out of the pavilion thinking about how wonderful to see my detailed history of flight “i.e. log book” and how some may want to remain anonymous. If you bust Class B airspace, there will be a record.

Looking at the ADS-B solutions, we in the Experimental world really have it good. We can do our own install with no FAA approval required. And we are

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allowed to purchase uncertified systems but compliant with the requirements of 14 CFR 91.227. For uncertified equipment, you should obtain a statement of compliance from the supplier. It seems peculiar that an RV-8 can fly in the same airspace with a Cessna. Makes no sense to have two classes of aircraft doing the same thing under different requirements.

My advice for ADS B has always been to wait as long as possible before making a move as each succeeding year the options get better. Buying electronics early has always been a mistake as new technology is constantly rolling out. The third Garmin option, yellow number 4, is where it really gets interesting for your certified aircraft. “How much will it cost” has always been the big issue. Garmin has been the leader with solutions to ADS-B and one week before Oshkosh they announced a game-changer with the GDL 82. To install you disconnect the cable from your existing Mode C transponder at the antenna and plug into the GDL 82 remote box. Connect a new cable from the GDL 82 to that existing antenna. Finally, connect a third cable to a WAAS GPS, which could be on the instrument panel. The install might take an afternoon. And the cost is $1800.

Recently announced by uAvionix is a ADS-B Out solution named the SkyBeacon. They claimed it is the world’s first zero-cost ADS-B Out install solution meeting the FAA’s 2020 ADS-B requirements. This approach is in the same game changer class as the GDL 82. Remove the current wingtip position light and replace it with the SkyBeacon. The unit includes a WAAS GPS looking up while the UAT antenna looks down. The SkyBeacon is affordable, $1500. And they are working to make it available for certified aircraft via the Approved Model List Supplemental Type Certificate (AML-STC). Check advisory circular (AC) No. 20-180. They are following the path that EAA/Dynon/Garmin blazed for the D10 and G5 certified aircraft applications. Thereby eliminating the high cost of the TSO path with AML-STC. Hope this approach is successful.

A third company at Oshkosh was selling something similar to the SkyBeacon, was the iLevil Beacon. At the moment all three are seeking approval from the FAA for certified aircraft.

After we saw the announcement for the GDL 82, we expected to see a lot of buzz and press for these solutions to ADS-B. We saw and heard nothing. Let’s wait and see how the FAA handles these approaches for certified aircraft. So, waiting another year to install for the mandate should hopefully prove very fruitful.

Finally, many pilots have installed one of the many ADS-B In solutions without the “Out” functionality. Hence traffic and weather become available. Traffic is great, but what we are really interested in is collision avoidance. And you do not get that unless ADS-B out capability exists to

provide a personal “hockey puck” around you. There could be no traffic displaying ahead of you, nothing at all, and all of a sudden, there’s an airplane right in front of you. The above picture is a SkyView display of your plane and the traffic around you. The table below provides a summary of What You Have and What You will See.

While moving to GPS satellites for positioning is certainly the technology of the future, it seems like the justification for NextGen ATC is totally oriented towards the airlines. They use words like, “planes will be able to fly closer together, take more direct routes and avoid delays caused by airport “stacking” as planes wait for an open runway”. There is no mention of the benefits for GA. If you ask, their response is, free traffic (collision avoidance) and weather will be available. The benefits for GA in most areas of the country are uncertain. And the cost to implement plus the hard date mandate appears to be an issue.

Tom GuytonVoice: 214-566-1765 voice/text Email: tom@tguytonATP Multi, Commercial Single engine land and seaCFI, CFII 5000 hours total time 2000 hours dual instruction given.

CFI ListuAvionix’s Sky Beacon

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Project Update - OnexMichael Stephan

It wouldn’t be a complete newsletter without a project update.This month I travelled to Brad Roberts house to get an update on

his single seat, Aerovee powered Onex kit.

Brad has his project very close to finished. Since last I saw it, he has installed the controls as well as the electrical system. he has finished most of the firewall forward installation.

A few interesting details. The instrument panel is completed as shown. An MGL EFIS does all the displays for all the equipment except for the MGL radio. The engine monitor sits forward of the firewall reducing the number of wires that need to penetrate the firewall. The Onex looks great. Sonex makes a very good kit. Impressed. Good work Brad.

Aviation ServicesMaggie SeverenFBO ManagerCell: 469-585-6612FBO: 940-297-6411Toll Free: 1-866-383-2400 ext 6447email: mseveren@usaviation.aero

Denton Municipal Airport4850 Spartan Dr.Denton, Texas 76207VM: 940-297-6447Fax: 940-381-5385www.usaviation.aero

Officer ElectionsBy Michael Stephan

Last month we elected new officers for 2018. Well some are new. Most have generously volunteered to serve again, and we bring on Jim Novak as the new Vice President for next year. We are excited to have Jim join us.

President - Michael StephanVice President - Jim NovakSecretary - Pete MillerTreasurer - Sam Cooper

The Aerovee engine

Remote mounted transponder

Engine monitoring system mounted on the firewall

A very clean instrument panel

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Upcoming EventsBy Michael Stephan

Saturday, Nov 4, 2017First Saturday Coffee and DonutsMcKinney National Airport (TKI)

Website: http://www.eaa1246.org

Saturday, Nov 4, 2017Pecan Plantation Fall Fly -INPecan Plantation, Granbury TX

You can expect to get a close-up and personal look at dozens of unique aircraft and have a really big time at our Annual EAA Chapter 983 Fly-In. We will have plenty of food, a silent auction, fun and games for the kids, and more. Our Young Eagles Flight Experience and Eagle Flights programs will be in full swing, offering you aspiring aviators and enthusiasts a first-hand opportunity to discover what flying is really all about.

10:00 am to 3:00 pmCheck the website for a pilot’s briefing website: www.eaa983.org

Thursday - Sunday, Nov 2-5, 2017EAA Ford Tri-Motor Tour, Sherman, TXNorth Texas Regional Airport (KGYI),

EAA Chapter 323 Sherman Texas to host the Ford Tri- motor. Flights: Thursday, November 2, 2-5 pm. Friday, November 3, 9am-5pm. Saturday, November 4, 9am-5pm. Sunday, November 5, 9am-5pm. Climb aboard one of the first mass-produced airliners and step back in time to aviation's golden age. A flight on EAA's Ford Tri-Motor is a flight back to an era where air travel was considered a luxury.Critters Lodge Fly-In November 3, 4, and 5 (WX Dates Nov 10,11 and 12)

TE01-Dillard Ranch (Private) Centerville, TX

Overnight fly-in and camp out FLY-IN. KICK OFF DINNER FRIDAY EVENING AT 6:30 pm. Camping facilities indoor restrooms (No Port-O-Lets), solar outdoor showers,firewood, Wi-Fi, and LOTS OF GOOD FOOD. See website for full details.

www.critterslodge.org/ ContactWendell Dillard903-536-7000CrittersLodge@windstream.net

Office: 972.735.9099

Elevate Your Experience...

US Sport  Aircraft

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4700 Airport PkwyAddison, TX 75001

Air Salvage of DallasCHRISTMAS SALE & FLY-IN   

DECEMBER 9, 2017     8AM-3PMwww.asod.com

EVERYTHING IS ON SALE!!

20 TO 50% OFF  

AIR SALVAGE OF DALLAS --- Located across from the Lancaster Airport (KLNC) FLY-IN OR

DRIVE-IN Transportation will be provided!

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ALSO ENJOY EATING AT THE “LANCASTER TAXIWAY CAFÉ”

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EAA CHAPTER 168 OFFICERSPresident Michael Stephan president@eaa168.org Vice President Ann Asberry vicepresident@eaa168.orgSecretary Pete Miller secretary@eaa168.org Treasurer Sam Cooper treasurer@eaa168.org

Board of Directors

Flight AdvisorsMel Asberry 972-784-7544 n168tx@flytx.netMichael Hoye 214-354-3638

Technical CounselorsMel Asberry 972-784-7544 n168tx@flytx.netMichael Stephan 214-232-2405 mstephan@shr.netMichael Hoye 214-354-3638Marvin Brott 214-726-9117 pmbrott@sbcglobal.net

MembershipFrank Prokop 972-396-1168 aerosocc@hotmail.com

Newsletter EditorMichael Stephan 214-232-2405 mstephan@shr.net

Tool CustodianBrad Roberts 214-351-0475 ber0101@sbell.net

Safety OfficerMel Asberry 972-784-7544 n168tx@flytx.net

Web site EditorsPete Miller smilinpete@gmail.com

Young Eagles CoordinatorJim Quinn EAA168YoungEagleFlights@gmail.com

Eagles CoordinatorNorm Biron normbiron@msn.com

Social CoordinatorMichael Stephan 214-232-2405 mstephan@shr.net

AdvertisingMichael Stephan 214-232-2405 mstephan@shr.net

To place an ad: Submit requests for aviation related For Sale or Want ads to mstephan@shr.net. Ads are free to Chapter 168 members. Ads from nonmembers will be run on a space available basis. Ads will be run at the newsletter Editors discretion.

We would like to make you aware that as always, in past, present, and future, any communications issued by Experimental Aircraft Association, Chapter 168, Inc., regardless of the form, format, and/or media used, which includes, but is not limited to, Hangar Echoes and audio/ video recordings is presented only in the light of a clearing house of ideas, opinions, and personal experience accounts. Anyone using ideas, opinions, information, etc. does so at their own discretion and risk. Therefore, no responsibility or liability is expressed, or implied, and you are without recourse to anyone. Any event announced and/or listed herein is done so as a matter of information only and does not constitute approval, sponsorship, involvement, control or direction of any event (this includes Oshkosh). Bottom line, we are responsible for nothing. Please read, listen, enjoy, and be careful out there.

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Classifieds

For Sale: Sensenich fixed pitch aluminum prop setup for a O-360  (76" dia 65" pitch,  spacer and 12" dia.  spinner)  Less  than  60hrs  since  installed  new.  $2750 Bill Bracken 817-925-4699 For  Sale:    Slick Mags removed  from O-360 Lycoming, #4371 Impulse (366 hrs), #4370 Non-Impulse (zero hrs), includes  spacer  and  harness,  will  need  drive  gear  for 4370.      4371  $300  -  4370  $750    OBF      Marvin  Brott   pmbrott@sbcglobal.net     214-726-9117 For  Sale:  David  Clark  headset  TSO  $100.  Hydraulic Wing  jack  for RV aircraft  (RV Easy Lift  System). New condition – used once. $140. Tail dragger dragger for RV or  other  tail  wheel  aircraft.  $125.  Tools:  Pneumatic  and hand.  Just  about  enough  to  build  an  RV  or  other  sheet metal aircraft. 35 items, mostly from Avery Tools and all ready  to  work.  New  price  for  these  tools  is  more  than $1850. Sell for $700. Aircraft parts, 20-50% of cost: New UMA  suction  gauge  ,  electric  boost  pump,  tachometer, rod end bearings, aluminum tubing, Call or email for list and  prices.  George  Kilishek  (972)  250  2906  or s_kilishek@yahoo.com.

To place an ad: Submit requests for aviation related For Sale or Want ads to the newsletter Editors. Ads are free to Chapter 168 members. Ads from nonmembers will be run on a space available basis. Ads will be run at the newsletter Editors discretion.

EAA CHAPTER 168 OFFICERS President Michael Stephan president@eaa168.org    214-232-2405 Vice President Norm Biron

vicepresident@eaa168.org   469-964-6801 Secretary Frank Prokop   secretary@eaa168.org    972-396-1168 Treasurer Brad Roberts treasurer@eaa168.org    214-912-0329

Flight Advisors

Mel Asberry metro  

n168tx@flytx.net                   972-784-7544 Michael Hoye    972-771-8162

sailntss@sbcglobal.net

Technical Counselors Mel Asberry metro 

n168tx@flytx.net                   972-784-7544 Don Christiansen    214-729-6187 Marvin Brott

pmbrott@sbcglobal.net        214-726-9117 Michael Stephan                     214-232-2405

Board of Directors Pete Miller                                 Glenn Snyder John Phillips                               Ann Asberry

John Peyton                                  Sam Cooper Michael Stephan      Mel Asberry David Buono      

Associate Newsletter Editors

Michael Stephan               mstephan@shr.net                  214-232-2405 David Buono david.buono@yahoo.com       214-986-4497

Data Processing

Michael Stephan 

mstephan@shr.net                  214-232-2405

Advertising

Michael Stephan 

mstephan@shr.net                  214-232-2405

Young Eagles Coordinator

Jim Quinn 

Jquinn3@gmail.com             972-788-2593

Tool Custodian Brad Roberts 214-351-0475

Meeting Refreshments

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Safety Officer

Mel Asberry metro  n168tx@flytx.net                   972-784-7544

Web Site Editors

Michael Stephan  214-232-2405 Clay Romeiser

Membership

Michael Stephan mstephan@shr.net                214-232-2405 Clay Romeiser  

We would like to make you aware that as always, in past, present, and future, any communications issued by Experimental Aircraft Association, Chapter 168, Inc., regardless of the form, format, and/or media used, which includes, but is not limited to, Hangar Echoes and audio/ video recordings is presented only in the light of a clearing house of ideas, opinions, and per­sonal experience accounts. Anyone using ideas, opinions, information, etc. does so at their own discretion and risk. Therefore, no responsibility or liability is expressed, or implied, and you are without recourse to anyone. Any event announced and/or listed herein is done so as a matter of information only and does not constitute approval, sponsorship, involvement, control or direction of any event (this includes Oshkosh). Bottom line, we are responsible for nothing. Please read, listen, enjoy, and be careful out there.

Web Site Address

www.eaa168.org

For  Sale:    Granbury  Texas  Airpark  Home/Hanger  For Sale $269,900    - 3509 Nassau Ct., 76049    (Nassau Bay) Beautiful home with large hanger on Nassau Bay Airpark. Two  story  home with  enclosed  upstairs  patio,  two  sepa­rate  living areas,  iron/brick  fenced, covered RV parking. Hanger  is 50x34 and has 2 electric automatic doors with direct access to hanger from house. Well maintained and move  in  ready.  Website  with  pictures:  http://mysite.verizon.net/resy4wnc/index.html          Owner: bob_myrick@me.com  or  214-729-2260        Realtor:  Pam Knieper at 817-243-8345 / pam@knieperteam.com For Sale:  Sensenich fixed pitch aluminum prop setup for a O 360 (76” dia 65” pitch, spacer and 12” dia. spinner). Less than 60hrs since installed new. LOWERED PRICE $1850 - Bill Bracken 817-925-4699 For Sale:   Fiber Glass Cloth For Sale  Bi directional 8H satin  Weave  Aeronautics/Aerospace  grade,  13.3  mils thick, 50” wide, warp strength 562 lbf/in, fill strength 518 lbf/in, 14.43oz/sqyd, compatible with all  resins,  in origi­nal  packaging  125  yard  rolls.   Comparable  price  at Air­craft  Spruce,  over  $9/yard.      $400  per  roll,  that’s  only $3.20  per  yard  to EAA members.   Cut  lengths $7/linear yard 50”wide with a $50 minimum.  Call Jim Carney 214-

763-6784.

Norm BironMel AsberryBruce Fuller Jim NovakJim Quinn

Jim CaniffChris SmithDavid BuonoBrad Roberts

For Sale: Varieze w/Cont O-200; 100 hours on overhaul. 1350 total time$14.5k. Leon Rausch 214-349-6024

For Sale: Garmin 396 (Updated). $600 or best offer.Bill Bracken 817-925-4699

For Sale: Midget Mustang Projects Larry Birdwell ( ldbirdwell@sbcglobal.net )

For Sale: RV-6 Kit. Empennage complete, wings (in jig) and ailerons partially skinned, wing has dual landing lights. Fuselage kit in box and fuselage jig. Have original plans and 2nd set of recent plans. $15K, Ken Whitehead 214-755-3282.

For Sale: Sensenich fixed pitch aluminum prop setup for O-360 (76” dia 65” pitch, spacer and 12” spinner) Bill Bracken 817-925-4699

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Charlo1eCoe,Co-OwnerSidSmith,Co-Owner

2951FurneauxLaneCarrollton,TX75007

urbanangels915@yahoo.com

214.952.1922

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Membership dues for EAA Chapter 168 are $20/year.

Make checks payable to EAA Chapter 168

Mail application to:Sam Cooper5932 Janet CtWestlake, TX  76262-9603

National EAA offices:Experimental Aircraft AssociationEAA Aviation CenterPO Box 3086Oshkosh, WI 54903-3086

National EAA Membership:(800) JOIN EAA (564-6322)Phone (920) 426-4800Fax: (920) 426-6761

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EAA Chapter 168c/o Sam Cooper5932 Janet CtWestlake, TX  76262-9603