It's alive

Stein em says is Hie following article is another in a series of interviews

with- prominent public figures by a board of Copley editors. This interview is with Gloria Stelnem, editor of MS. magazine and feminist.

Copley News Service

Q. — Let's start with an obvious question. Is the Equal Rights Amendment dead or alive?

A.— Very much alive; with problems of dealing with a small, but very earnest and well-financed and well-organized opposition. As you may know after the New York and New Jersey referenda, Gallup took a poll and discovered that the vast majority of the citizens of both states, I think it was almost 70 per cent, supported the Equal Rights Amendment. 1

Clinically, we made a great error in not getting out the vote in a real political form.

Q. — Why is this opposition so well-organised and well-financed? Where does the inspiration for it come from?

A. — I would say that conservative political groups feel that women are not equal; are not whole human beings. To say so would upset the family structure, make too drastic changes in society.

I think that leads into an economic problem, too, because there is a generalized feeling among many business people who don't necessarily say it out loud, but who say it privately, that equality is just too expensive.

When they start considering how mucn it would cost them to pay equally the women who are already working, much less to begin to pay for kinds of work that women do that's largely unpaid, it's quite stunning.

Q. — Do you see any injustice arising in the form of reverse discrimination when women are hired or ad­vanced ahead of men for the sake of evening the score?

A.—I have not yet seen one legitimate case of reverse discrimination. By legitimate, I mean documented. I have seen some kind of temporary cases of reverse discrimination, which were themselves evidence of the prejudice of the person doing the hiring.

Q. — Is feminism probably the worst way to describe what you're talking about?

A.—No, I think it's the best way. No, I suppose justice would be the best way.

Q. — You're really aiming for something more properly described as equality, aren't you?

A. - No, I don't think so. I think it's important to value feminism as a word and

not simply to say equality because equality is often per­ceived as being imitative, you know, as wanting a piece of the existing pie, instead of understanding that for women there has to be a whole new pie.

It's simply not possible within the current structure to gain equality for all women.

And there have been equality movements in the past, indeed the beginning of this women's movement was reformist, rather than feminist.

It was looking for equality for just a few women, a few professional women who found themselves living in the suburbs and not using their college educations and wanting to gel back into the job force and so on.

Great, I'm all for that. But that's not feminism. Because feminism means literally all women and,

therefore, it means changing the sexual caste system and overthrowing, if you want to use that word, or humanizing, if you prefer to use that word, the patriarch.

Q. — It's interesting that you keep coming back to the word equality without even wanting to. t

A. — I do think it's a bit of a mistake to use it because it does give the feeling that women wish to imitate men and

that's not true at all. We need to change the very definition of what a full human being is. And it's beyond equality,

' really. Q. — Are you making striking progress in any one area?

I've seen the phraseology that you are talking about, like chairperson creeping into the language, so you have a semantic victory, I suppose. But where else are you making progress?

A. — I think probably the Supreme Court decision on abortion might be most literally the single most important thing, because it has saved many lives.

I don't mean to say that abortion is now freely available to women in this country, as it should be, we have a long way to go, but it has saved literally thousands of lives.

Q.—Do you see yourself as a political candidate? > A. — Never. I wouldn't dream of it. But I enjoy working

in other people's campaigns.

EDITOR of MS magazine, Gloria Steinem, says that feminism goes beyond equality. The word equality, she says, gives the feeling that women wish to imitate men "and that's not true at all?"

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Author to speak to study group TUESDAY

The Paradise Valley Parent Study Group will feature Dr. Kenneth J. Olson who will speak at Shadow Mountain high school at 7:30 p.m. His topic will be "The Healthy Family ."/A donation will be requested to defray expenses.

Dr. Olson is the author of the best selling book "The Art of Hanging Loose in an Uptight World."

He received his BS degree in psychology from Arizona ,y State College and also earned his doctorate degree in counseling psychology there.

In the mid-60s he was director of adolescent services at the Mental Health Center in Scottsdale and founded the Creative Lining Foundation in Phoenix for the rehabilitation of drug abusers. He also has served as educational consultant for several Arizona schools and government agencies. He now is on a speaking tour.

WEDNESDAY Scottsdale Business and Professional Women's Club will

meet at 6:30 p.m. for no-host cocktails followed by a dinner and business meeting at the Royal Fork restaurant. Pat Belsey will speak on the BPW club foundation and give a color slide presentation.

gold room at the church. The club will be making clothing and equipment that can be used in hospitals, rest homes and missions.

Arizona State Nurses' Association District 18 will meet at the First Federal Bank building, 7201 E. McDowell Rd. at 7:30 p.m. The program will be presented by Kathy Mansky, head of the nuclear medicine department of Scottsdale Memorial Hospital.

Beta Psi chapter of Beta Sigma Phi sorority will meet at 7:30 p.m. at the home of Susan Winkler, 2930 E. Osborn Rd. The group will entertain Alpha Rho chapter with a hobo supper.

Members of Do-ers, a new circle at the Glass and Garden Community Church, will meet from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. in the

Y lists winter classes An open house-demonstration of the new modern dance

class, "Four Seasons" will be Tuesday at 7 p.m. at Scotts-dale-Tempe YWCA. 4615 N. Granite Reef Rd. Trudy Beaumont, instructor for both slimnastics and modern dance, will introduce the dance for her students. The public is invited to the demonstration.

Registration for modern dance is by mail or in the office with classes Tuesdays and Thursdays from 7 to 8 p.m. The fee is $16 for members.

Gentle gym for senior citizens opens at the YWCA Wed­nesday at 9 a.m. for both men and women. Fee for the series of eight sessions, twice weekly, is $10. Diet and exercise are taught in the course. ^

Tennis classes at all levels are forming and YWCA tennis instructors are available for private or semi-private lessons as well. The YWCA tennis series consists of the basic eight lessons, followed by beginning workshops and then tour­nament play. Registration in tennis classes is limited, and new sections may be added on demand.

Tai Chi Chih, a form of Chinese yoga, and natural cooking with health foods are two activities that Scottsdale-Tempe YWCA is offering this winter.

The Women's Search for Self group of the Scottsdale branch of the American Association of University Women will meet at 9:30 a.m. at the home of Mary Ann Fox, 7620 N. Mockingbird Lane, Paradise Valley.

Kat Erlick.^in instructor in transactional analysis, will present an introduction to the subject.

Beta Rho chapter of Epsilon Sigma Alpha international sorority will meet at 8 p.m. in the home of Shirley Gulden, 6938 E. Diamond, for a birthday party social, celebrating the chapter's fourth birthday. It was chartered by the Alpha Omicron chapter of Scottsdale in January 1972.

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HALI^-YOUNG Janice Mary Hall and Roger Young were married at St.

Barnabas-on-the-Desert Episcopal Church in Paradise Valley. The bride is the daughter of Mary Hall of Scott­sdale and N.B. Hall of Downers Grove, 111. Young is the son of Mr. and Mrs. P.H. Young of Valentine, Neb,

Barbie Rosenheim was maid of honor and Ed Mc-Cluskey served as best man.

The bride is a graduate of Saguaro High School and Arizona State University. She is continuing studies at Colorado State University, Fort Collins. Young attended the University of Wyoming, Laramie, and earned his BA in agricultural management at ASU where he was president of Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity.

The couple honeymooned in Florida and now resides in Ft. Collins.

LONG—ANDERSON Gina Colleen Long and Larry Glenn Anderson ex­

changed wedding vows at First Presbyterian Church of Phoenix. The bride's parents are Mrs. George Alters and Dr. David R. Long both of Scottsdale. Anderson is the son of the Rev. and Mrs. Tommy Anderson of Glendale.

Mrs. Ronald Ault was matron of honor and Curtis Cluff was best man.

The bride, a graduate of Saguaro High School, attended Arizona State University and studied performing arts- in Los Angeles while working as a model. Anderson was graduated from Saguaro and from ASU and is working on a master's degree in Biblical Studies.

The couple honeymooned in Pinetop and now resides in Scottsdale.

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Dales concert to benefit Smith College The Smith College Club of . Proceeds ( m t n t h p s p h r , i a , - c . h m .„ . . . . O -The Smith College Club of

Phoenix scholarship benefit will feature musical en­tertainment at the Scottsdale Center for the Arts.

The benefit, to be at 8 p.m. Feb. 10, will offer the sounds of the Richard Dales Chorale.

Progi ;ram aimed at kids

Kindergym, a pre-school movement education class at the YMCA for children ages 3 to 6 will begin Tuesday. Classes run 55 minutes for eight weeks with 3 and 4 year olds grouped together at either 9:30 a.m. or 1:30 p.m. The 5 and 6 year olds meet at 2:30 or 3:30 p.m. For further information, contact the Scottsdale YMCA. Class enrollment is limited.

Proceeds go to the scholarship fund for Smith College in Northampton, Mass. Kay Hartfelder of Scottsdale is the Smith College Club president.

Since 1967 10 Phoenix-area women have received more than $60,000 in scholarships from the school.

The thirty-two member chorale, which will perform, is directed by Richard Dales and features some of the Valley's singers. Included are Ann McCaleb, Dorothy Lincoln, Patricia, Strawbridge, Paul

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