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Freedom of speech is a concept very misunderstood and its a term that is a bit misleading. Technically everyone has freedom of speech, as one can utter whateverthought they like from their mouths, the real question is which thoughts expressed loudly should face criminal repercussions.If you think you have a right to ask or demand authorities or the state punish someone for what they say that you find unpleasant this displays explicit supportfor totalitarianism unless its is a encitement to physically harm you. Those whoare genuinely (and don't just call themselves "liberals"cos it perceived as good thing in the west and to distinguish one from islamofascists ) should only support action against one where one incites violence. I've never heard a convincing reason to censor/ban/block someone for any other reason then when they enticeviolence and I welcome anyone to give me a persuasive argument. I pretty much agree with John Stuart Mill's "harm principle" on this.

"ohhh cos he was annoying/upset me" is a feeble childish reason and the only reason provided so far to justify banning on many a time. There's annoying people at work and I don't demand they be sacked.If's someone's a dick that's there right to be a dick and it's your right to ignore them. You don't have no obligation to be kind to anyone you don't want to bekind towards, but if you're not kind to someone who hasn't been a dick in turnit could make you look like a dick.If a grown adult cusses my mum, he makes himself look stupid enough, he has therope to hang himself, I wouldn't dignify him with a response or stop him sayingwhat he is. He can continue if he likes and everyone can see what an nincompoop

he is, likewise one posing Nazi propoganda will receive the same antipathy if it's propoganda or blatant jewphobia. Reply to it or ignore it, simple choice. Likewise a lot of people waste their time gossiping about others, I got no interest in that and would rather discuss ideas and knowledge.Nazism/The Holocaust are historical claims and it should be anyone's prerogativeto challenge popular narratives skeptically just the same as people challenge islams historical origins. On many muslim forums you'd get banned for even suggesting islam was a later product of arab imperialism, I'd like to think & hope mods on CEMB are better than that.I hear/read people say hurtful and offensive things all the time, many of whichI find deeply wounding myself, The Quran itself could not be more demeaning to non-muslims, however I don't throw my toys out of the pram all the time and I don't call for the quran to be banned. In fact I want more people to know what a ne

farious book the quran is.banning/censoring views which one find disagreeable or offensive is "illiberal"and "fascistic". It's kinda ironic that many people here oppose theocrats but mimic them in many ways.As Voltaire said "I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it" and as as Chomsky says "If we don't If we don't believe in freedomof expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all". As one whoadheres fully to liberal principles unless one says something to instruct/enciteviolence then there is no valid excuse/reason I've heard to ban/censor/block anyone. There's always been an element in the irreligious far left, that adheres to Stalin's far-left principles when it comes to censorship.Also regards pro nazi sympathies/views, if you can't refute someone espousing pro-nazi views you have no business being in a conversation with anyone. You can e

ither ignore them or rebuke them. Banning/censoring them if anything adds more weight to there argument as it comes across as being unable to show why it's incorrect.