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THANSCRIP,]' OF 1\ T A P ! ~ RECOROH1G

OF A CONVERS.7SHY' l BE'l",';U::N P R E S J D E ~ ! ' l ' RICHAHD NIXON AND r u eH l .HD ~ ~ O l ) ON

APHIL 19 , 19 ? ~ L FRO!! 3:!) 5 : E ~ ~ s 0 _C2_P . 'It.



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TRANSCRIPT OF A TAPE RECORDING

OF A CONVERSATION DETI'1EEN

PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON AND

RICHARD MOORE

ON APRIL 19, 19733:45 P.M. TO 5:00 P.M.

(Uninte l l ig ib le) .

Come in , come in .

Fine . Nice to see you. Be good to v i s i t .I heard you were wonderful with the Jewishl e ade r today, b u t I • . .

Ha, ha, ha , ha .

You v,ere al so so good and so s t rong on th eannouncement the o t he r day. You \. ,antme here?

Yeah. Any p i ace .

( Un i n t e l l i g i b l e )

you ' r e no t smoking a pipe anymore?

Yeah, you knm., I only smoke t h i s - somebody gave me--I , uh, I 'm no t a

smoker, as you knovl. But, uh, . . .

Good th ing .

Perhaps in the even ing , I'll smoke a

( un in te l l i g ib le with tape no i se ) . Areyou a smoker?

I q u i t for ten years and then , pardon me,

bu t during the campaign, uh.

Goddamn campaign.

• .• go t to smoking c iga r s .

(Uninte l l ig ib le) .



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I 'm no t as coo l as you are and, uh, I

f ind mysel f smoking a c i g a r though.(u n in te l l ig ib le ) .

How's t h a t . Murie ls?

They ' re little Dutch c iga r s .

urn-hum.

But , uh, uh, th e y ' r e good when i s the onlyt h ing .

Yeah. I ,,,as gonna say t h a t and I , I , Ionly hope that t h i s miserLlble t h ing onHate rga tc doesn ' t rub o f f on you a t any

r a te ( ta pe noise) can only rub o ff onyou in a t angen t i a l way. I mean you weret h e i r adv i se r .

l ' lell .

• . 1 guess , bu t - - bu t t here you a re .

The t h ing had to , uh, happened to to reachme on a gradua l - - b u t I t h ink , uh , - -

Did t hey , did you ta lk to them yet?

No. I don 't, uh, - - I was pu t o ff( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) . It was 3:30 yes te rday .

Right .

At about noon, they spoke to the Bureau.(U n in t e l l i g ib le ) .

Hhen you go down, bel i eve me , tell

eve ry th ing you r:no\'1 , b u t , uh, d o n ' t , \.Ll),

l e t it rub o f f on you .

I ran in to Chapman j u s t a f t e r I go t the

subpoena. He sa id he t o ld you .

Right . Right .

And, uh, so I s a t dm"n--



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Inc iden ta l ly , as you know, he t a lked

inunedi a te ly bu t I guess t ha t ' s about what(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) .

• • • No\v, I, I r

. ( un in te l l ig ib le l .

S i r , I was j .u s t - - I a s s ~ e t h a t ' s . . •

• (Uninte l l ig ib le) •

• •• by God...Yeah.

• • . h a t won ' t be - - th e , t he wa te r pipes

a re going. It won 't g e t me ( u n i n t e l l i g i b le ) .That was mine with yours . But , ...Yeah.

But , it occurred to me t ha t , uh, ah, they ' r e

gonna t e s t you and a l l t h a t nonsense bu t i fso , then we admit it. You know, it couldbe a l o t - - ask me what I sa id to you, in

you presence .

I d o n ' t th ink that'll be asked.

(Uninte l l ig ib le) S p e c i a l Counsel . I d o n ' t

th ink it H i l l . But they say , "Have youever t a lked to the Pr es i den t about i t ?"

I th ink t h e y ' l l say t h a t t h a t mat te r i sone of Execut ive P r i v i l e g e .

Yes. Hel l , now I •••

(Uninte l l ig ib le) •

. •h'hat I would say I 'd say , "O f courseI have."

Yes.

"Of course , I have. And t he r e ' s , uh, the

Pr eGi den t ' s - - . • •



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• • •p o s i t i o n .

"The P r e s i d e n t ' s view i s my p e r s o n a l p o i n t

o f vie\v."

Good.

(Unin te 11ig ib Ie)

Well , t h a t ' s good. I 'd much p r e f e r t h a tb u t , u h , . • •

I'd say , "Ye s , of course I have . Th e

P r e s i d e n t ' s uh, expressed h is views andh is views are accura te" o r \vhatever youwant to say .

It ",as very w e l l expressed . But , uh, ••

B ut go ahead , uh, what , \'lh a t d id Chapman

tell you to do?

He s a i d , "Look, you 've aot: to t e 'll the t r u t h . "

He s a i d , "About th e l a s t th ing th e P r e s id e n t

needs i s any more non- t ru th t e l l i n g . "

T h a t ' s r i g h t .

He s a i d , "You d o n ' t to have phrase it the

way th ey want you to phrase it." Put it

t h a t ",ay.

Exac t ly r i g h t . Whi ch of course t h e y ' r egonna t r y t o , th ey ' r e gonna t r y to - - youto phase it in th e a way t h a t w i l l s ink

somebody e l s e .

I know.

C a n ' t do.



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I knm·,. And, uh , u h , ( tape noise) has to ldyou --I, I guess , bu t we don ' t knovl whatit i s bu t - - of course , I had met him

p r i v a t e l y .

Ther e ' s th e problem.

Yeah. Uh - - uh - - "Then I - - what he woulds igh and say t h i s th in g was ge t t i ng soawful and he 'd h i n t around (Uninte l l i g i b l e ) .

Hhen was t h i s ?

Oh, over th e l a s t - - I go t ac t i ve in t h i s - of course I was in on th e S e g r e t t i t h ing - -

Yeah.

He d iscussed t h a t back in October and thenagain in December.

Righ t .

And then I meet Chapin about it. In anadvisory r o l e .

And t hen , u.1-!, in , in ~ ' : a t e r q a t e I "Tas on ,occ as i ona l l y on something ·(un in te l l i g ib l e ) .

( Un i n t e l l i g i b l e with t ape noise) about t h i sin January?

Oh, no , dur ing - - sometime in - - betweenDeceniller and say Pebruary .

Oh, a f t e r the e l e c t i o n .

Oh, yes , yeah .

Now, okay.

Before th e e l e c t i on , my ro le was - - wasn ' t avery good t a sk , but they s t a r t e d meeting - C l i f f Hi lle r and I were so r t of PR advisors

to Hi t che 11, S t ans , and - -



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H e l l , didn 't - - in those befo re the e l e c t i o n ,

uh, Zi eg l e r t e l l s me t h a t a l l those who

t a lked to Dean, Dean ' s f l a t l y s a i d , "nobodyin the \'lhi t e House VIas invo lved . "

Dean--

Cause I asked him t h a t ques t ion . You knowt ha t ' s th e f i r s t th ing I asked him • .•

Sure .

. throughout . I s a i d , "now, John I ' v e

g ot to kno\\1 th i s one t h in g , was anybody in

th e Hhi te House involved"? He s a i d , "No . "

And we then of course , carllC to the pos t

p e r io d .

He had always den ied .

And th a t he .

• • • (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) .

••• denied , den ied t h a t he was i nvo lved .

Tha t ' s r i g h t .

Yeah.

\vhat he Clcknowledged to me, and \-las th e

genera l type of t h i ng , he s a i d , "Liddy came

in \"i th the damnedest plan " and he sa i d " i tinvolved a l l kinds of crazy th ings} '

Right . That \"as p lan number one .

"And I sa id g e t those char t s th e h e l l ou t o f

he r e , tha t so r t of t h i ng , c a n ' t con-template something l ike t h a t . That s h o u l d n ' t

be .

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• t a lked about ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .

'1 II. in th e presence of Attorney Genera l .



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Right . Right .

Dean has to ld you a good • .•

. t o ld me though , he to ld me abouth is th re e conversa t i ons and so fo r th .

Yeah. Hel l . .

He's been very for th comin g nbout t h a t .

Yeah. We ll, he to ld me th a t and I sa id ,"\.;ell, John , I , I \olould hdv e a , a hard ,

hard t ime be l i evina thai: John Hi tch e ll kne\vt h i s t h ing was on.

- - I asked Dean e a r l y , yo u know, when If i r s t - -

Yeah.

when I f i r s t go t in to was when , uh, bas ica llyjus t be fo re thw whole goddamn th in g t h a t ,t h a t crazy McCorc1 go t in to it.

Right .

And I 'm g l ad , I 'm g l ad it's ou t . I want it

done. Fin i shed . Don' t you agree?

Absolute ly -

Get th e son-of - a -b i t ch f in i shed . I thoughtit should have been long ago.

Yeah.

What th e , what the - - I 'm afra id t h a t our

g rea t , dear f r i end , Jdln !1itche l l i s thecu lp rit. Cause Jdm Hi tche l l knew about it.

John 1'1itche ll j u s t couldn 't bea r going before - f r ankly saying r igh ot a f t e r the cape r say inq ,

"we l l , whoa, whoa t h i s was a t e r r i b l e th ing .I d i dn ' t approve o f t h i s spe c i f i c and I sa iddamn it." And t h a t ' s what he should havesa id . But he d i dn ' t do it.



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Ye·ah .

As a re su l ' t , e v e r s ince then t h e y ' v e hadth e- i:es p on Ri.biJi y o f t a king care o f

th e defend ·an.ts ' counse l and some o f t h e i rexpenses and so f .or th and so on. And

ge t t i ng o th e r- p e op le invo lved and t h a t ' sj ;u st been \·lrong.

You sa i d i t '. th e f i r s t t ime , a cover -up-

( . 'unintel l ig ibn1'. ) in the campaign \vhich i sone t h i n g ~ is bad enough.

Righ t

. • • u t cover ing 'em up i s what k i l l s ya , .

Tha t ' s r i g h t , that : ' s r i g h t .

And tha . t ' s \ · ;hat--

As f a r as my ' knO\V'ledge i s concerned, th a t ' st.he r ea l tragedy . I c1idn' t r e a l l y , I never

sm 'i Dean un t.i l a f t e r the e l e c t i o n . I·Je ll,excep t to s ign my \v i l l s as I r e c a l l . And

I never , even occurred to me to ask himbecause app are n t l y he had to ld - - I , I ,befo re r:ty ' press conference in Cal i fo rn i a ,fo r Ziegl .er , Ziegler ' .s . -been asking fo r

guidance and : I s a i d , "\' Ihat i s th e s i t u a t i o n ? "

He s a i d , "\\'e 1,1 , I t a l k e d to Dean." I s a i d ,

"Does he say nobody was involved" He s a i d ,

"wel l , I th ink you can say t h a t . " I s it

th e on}:y thin ' i r we cou ld do, w a s n ' t i t ?

(Uninte::l,l ig ib iLe): and, then t-- b u t has he . • •

But II. t h in k , I r ea l ly t h i n k , I r ea l ly th ink

Dean, na tu ra l ly he ",as cover in g :·l i t c h e l l

( tmin te . l l ig.i.ble , · l ith tape noise) vlha t do

you t h ink?

H e l l , r: d o n ' t knO\v, Hel l , I \vas n o t t h a t

c lose : to h is ' s:ide o f it, you knO\v, a t t h a ttim0." CUn i nt-:eJ.lig i b l e ) t h a t \vas August29 .tJr .



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Yeah.

(Unin te l l i , ] ib le ) I " las involved in th e

convent ion , ge t t i ng lTe:ady fo r it,.

R i gh t .

.•. nd so fo r th . And Dlis th ing still

looked l ik .e noth ing but. <1, a lmost as Ro nsa id '" a th1 .rd r a t e burg la ry- . (Unin te l l ig ib le )

And, uh, I, I dO n ' t re cClll be ing su rp r i s ed

a t h is f i n d i n l o ~ , o r ques t ion ing hiD. If rank ly thought , a.t th a·t t ime, t h a t t h i s was

Liddy (un in t e llig i b l e » .

J u s t to ok o f f .

... oney.

I'le ll, I thoug h t t h a t / t o o .

That it \>Tasn' t : Cuni.n.telliq i b l e )

That was my b e ~ i e f t h roughout , ( u n i n t e l l ig i b l e ) .

I would h ave maybe ca l l ed Mitche l l and sa id ,

"John fo r C h r i s t ' s sakes .

Y e a h ~ Yeah.

" . . .let "s do, it . II r , I, of course Icou ldn ' t bel i eve anybody as smar t as Mitche l l

\>lOuld e v e r have a l low ed . (Unin te l l ig ib le )

So s t up i d .

So unlfike him. I ' saw hiP1 fo·r a year over

there,. . you: kn.mv. You know you c a n ' t do

t h a t RincT of ' thin.g you do. • •

T ha t ' s r i g h t·, ( t 'ape noise) come on no,., to

Dean and when you began to g e t - - w ha t ' s ,

what "5 t he r e t ·o knOl.,.

~ v e l l . , , - -r l i k e those. <:iga r s .



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To th e b e s t o f My r e c o l l e c t i on , I r ea l ly .got involved \ ' ,hen, and it Makes se n se ,

uh, r i g h t a f t e r th e Sena te pas sed the

r e so l u t i on s e t t i n g up th e Committee .

Righ t .

Hhich \'las mid-February . ( U n in t e l l i g ib l e ) .

As a m a t t e r o f f a c t , Dick , it's an i n t e r e s t i n g

co inc idence , the f i r s t t ime I e v e r smv Dean

\"as \·,hen you and Dean came in to<]ethe r .Remember you and Dean came in t o g e th e r t h a t

day.

Yes. (Unin te llig i b l e ) Execu t ive pr iv i l ege

d iscuss ion in th e p r e s s conference

(unin t e l l i g ib Ie )

T h a t ' s r i g h t .

Now, I d id s t a t e t h a t - - \ 'lellt a f t e r one o f

those mee t in gs , t h a t , ' \Tohn, th ings are moving

i n t o a p o i n t where th e Pr es i den t may

(un in t e llig ib l e ) , maybe d o e s n ' t know ",h a t the,what

th e problems a r e . I was hin t ing about th e

darn problems.

Yeah.

And I th ink he to ld me t h a t he \vas gonna( un i n t e l l i g i b l e ) it o r - -

Come in and see Me a lone .

Tha t ' s r i g h t , he d id . Yes.

He d id . By h is c r e d i t , he came in . He sa id

now - - he d i d n ' t l a y it, yes , he l a id it ou t

p r e t t y much. He l a id o u t h is conc e rn t h a t

H i t c h e l l d id knQl'l about the four P.1eetings

where M i t c h e l l t e s t i f i e d o r o u t ou t a

l i n e - - o r n o t t e s t i f i e d . W h e ~ e Magruder den iedt he r e was any. He sa id t h a t was wron g , andhe went on to - - he d i d n ' t i n d i c a t e th e

suborna t ion o f p e r ju r y p o i n t , , ,hich apparen t ly ,

h e ' s s tuck i n to very deep now \"here h e , hepo in ted to Magruder in h is t e s t imony .



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Yeah.

See t h a t ' s abou t it.

Oc cas iona l ly , he \vould say to me, you know,~ I ' v c go t to s t ru gg l e with t h i s th ing

wi thout doing t ha t . I , I haven ' t mean tto do anything , he sa id , "but r1agruder ' sgonna t ry to f inger me o r somebody e l s e .

Yeah. HOI'" s he gonna handle i t ?

He sa id , "V,lh a t I to ld h i P) \Vas you 've g o t tatell the t r u t h . " He sa id , "I to ld him

what kinds of ques t ions he was going tobe asked. I t a lked to him, bu t I neverand, and I 'd say 'It's up to you'(un in t e l l i gib le ) . "

He t o ld me the same t h ing .

Yeah. And I bel i eve him.

Cause I , uh, huh?

I be l ieve John.

You d o n ' t bel i eve - do you be l ieve him now?

Uh, No . I , w-wel l , I th ink the bigger l i a ri s Hagruder . (Un in te l l ig ib le ) .

\ ' lell, !1agruder i s .

Yeah. Well Hagruder i s , i s , i s - - the

quest ion of c r e d i b i l i t y .

Magruder ' s l y ing more th an De an?

I t h ink so . I have a persona l conp l a i n t .

Is Hagruder t ry ing to do Dean in?

Yeah. They hate each o the r , r'1agruder, Deanto ld me . • .



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I j u s t - - what?

Dean to ld me , a t some poin t , y ou knol", hes a i d , "the one I \>"orry about in a l l t h i si s Magr ude r ." He s a i d , he ' s n o t gonnago down a lon e . He's saying th a t i f hegoes dOl'In , he r s gonna t ake the I'lho l e cover-up ,

p a r t i c u l a r l y me . This i s so . (Tape noise )" I coached him on h is t es t imonies . I d idn't,

I d i d n ' t . I gave him h i s. op t i ons . I to ld

him , · ,hat the op t i ons were ."

Yeah.

And, uh , he said . • •

(U n in t e l l i g ib le ) t e l l you abo u t Magruder?

He s a i d , "wh at's" - - I mean he ,..,as t a lk ing

about Bob Fi nch anr1 sa id "hy the way, Jeb1'-1agru c1e r c ame np he re and , ,,,,hat' s I'lrong

with him because he wes t e l l in g a ll k i ndso f c ra zy t a l e s ( t aoe noise} c o n d u c t i n ~ ar.1 ee t in g on a job ~ u n t - - a j ob i n terviel" ,Uh , uh, (un in te l l i g i b l e ) had go ne to grea tlen g th s to g e t him an oppo r tu n i ty fo r a , fo r

a job inte rviev, and ha d h im cone up - -( t ape noise) t a lk to Dean fo r a minute .(Unin te l l i gib l e ) Bob was sittin g aroundwith the Sec r e t arv of S ta te in Cal i fo rn i a .(Unin te l l i g ib l e ) ( t a p e noise) I t o ld Fi nch"whaes th e r.1atter "l i th this k id?" C a n ' t an yof us pu t a job bu t he ,..,an te d my suppor t fo r

uh, a candidacy.

Yeah, Yeah ( tape noise) . • •

( tape noise) Incred ib le isn't i t ?(Unin te l l ig ib le ) .

I g o t ta - - And then he s a i d no , bu t I dohav e enough suppor t . For i n s ta nc e , Le nFi res tone sa id he 'd ( u n i n t e l l i g ib le) ( tape

noise) You and I an d Len Fi r e s tone and someof th e ( tape nois e ) in t h a t o f f ic e and ( tapenoise) chance.



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Chance.

No chance except i n i ndus t ry , bu t no d i ce .

Oh . B e t t e r plan prove a l i e . So P a t sa id

w h a t ' s , w ha t ' s with t h a t Kid?

So maybe Dean i s t he , co r r ec t then .

5 0 - -

Now go ahead nO\- l .

t1e l l , in any p l a c e , ,Te b i s a name dropger

and , I mean, j u s t judging from th e r1an Iknow probably abvays exaggera t e s h i s r o l ea little b i t. Likeab le . Ya know did i l good

job in so many th iwr s.

I d o n ' t know him a t a l l .

But in t h i s con t e s t of c r e d i b i l i t y I "lOuld

go \'1i th , uh.

Dean.

• anybody , bu t , bu t Jeb Magruder .(U n i n t e l l ig i b l e ) th ing to knml. Jeb had h is .p a r t in th e mids t of a po i n t where he

(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) I 'm giv ing up hope.

(Unin te l l ig ib le ) Magruder .

I mean, I{ I{ I 'M no t .

I 'm a f r a i d , I 'm a f r a i d . I 'm a f r a id whatbas i ca l l y they had La Rue in , La Rue byv i r t u a l l y th e same, J ohn ' s eP1ployee/he P1ust

knmv some t h i ngs and , uh, ( un i n te l l i g i b l e ) .

I d o n ' t knoi-l , you knovl, you know every th ing

or do you?

I knmv no th ing .

I d o n ' t know b u t a spec t ac l e - -



APRIL 1 9 , 1973 FROf.1 3 :45 P.f'1. 'ro, 5·:00 P . B .

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I d o n ' t knm.; I , L f r ankly don ' t know--

I d o n ' t th ink you oug h t t o - -

I 'm j u s t no t g o i n ~ to ask

• • • j u s t d o e s n ' t make any damn d i f f e r e n c e - -

This doesn " t make any d i f f e rence I mean

about • • . Chris-t I love a l l these peop l e ,th e y ' r e a l l doin-g it fo r me, uh, e r , uh

they thoug h t , b u t La Rue, and uh, H ard ian ,

th e r e s t were in th e cove r -u p they h ad to

be ( t ape noise) (Unin te l l ig ib le ) L e t ' s g e t

back to Dean a nd uh. Then what hapP 2ne da f t e r - r emembe r you and he caFle in the

o f f i c e , th e n he · came in a l one , then I sa",him a t le a s t t h re e o r fou r o th e r t imes because

I though t he was in charge of th e damn th in g .

Wel l , he was (Unin te l l i g ib l e )

An d then we had hir r , when he \-lent to CampDavid ",hat happened'? l ' iere you '·.' i t h h i n t he re

to he lp him w ri t e t h a t paper .

No, no, he up t he re and, r i gh t nOH he

seer1ed to be (wl in te l l i g i b l e ) He \vas a l l

r i gh t (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) I t a lked to h in onth e phone. He ca l l ed me (U n in t e l l i g ib l e ) .

At Camp David?

He \'TaS up t he re · f o r - -

You know 'ilhy I s e n t him t he re because hewas unde r , - -Everybody ~ · , 7 a s ou t a t h is houseand I s a i d , I s a i d ,

• • . (Unin te l l ig ib le )



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.. . and I sa id "John, we need a , ya knm.;,

I hope you - - \ . , i l l go a long. ' 1 Remember,Dick, let's g e t out a r e p o r t . We neve r ,

the re \.;as no Dean repor t t o ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .

Right , Right .

L e t ' s g e t the whole th ing ou t . Get a l lthe whole bus iness of Se g re t t i and the

r e s t . He .,.,as t ry ing to Hri t e it - - came

back and sa id he cou ldn ' t w r i t e it.

He ",as , uh, I don ' t th ink he .,.,as in very

good form up t he r e .Idon

't knO\',vlhat

it

was. Wife was neve r th e re . Uh--but hewas- -ha rd to desc r i be , j u s t had a fee l ing ,

he Has, conver s a t ion with him Handered a

little b i t and he was . • .H e was nervousand concerned (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) Ha s involve d.He sa id (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) I j u s t went walkingin th e woods fo r t HO hours . I c2.n' t pu t

t h i s t oge t he r . YOu knO\'l, uh (un i n t e l l i g i b l e )

I never sa\-, it b u t I think h is problem Hast h a t he pu t it t oge ther and saw t h a t he was

i nvo lved.

This th ing began to focus on an (10 second

u n in te l l ig ib le ) some conve rsa t ion ; someDean sa id , uh, you kno\.; t h a t , sonething t h a t

he kneH beforehand, he to ld to the pres s . He

sa id to the u. S. Attorney which 'das the f i r s tt ime he 'd e ve r sa id th a t , - - a b o u t \' l a te rga te .

The pres s sa id he to ld theD t h a t he kne\'l

about i 'Jatergate.

Yeah.

So he sa id th a t would make one person in the~ ' J h i te House who did know the fac t s who wouldbe the author of the r epo r t .

No, uh. HIs answer to t h a t ,.;ould be t h a t heknew t h a t such a plan Has presented b u t hed id no t kno\.; t h a t it was approved .

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I see . (Un in te l l i g ib l e ) .

Sure t h a t could b e . I d i d n ' t ... h a t ' s " 'hatHaldeman t o ld me. I kep t asking him, Isa id no\'l.

Yeah.

. . . cause h e l l the moment t h a t I kne\'l t h a the knew abou t it, I 'd have to f i r e him.But he never sa id t h a t .

No. I meant as (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) The f i r s tt i m ~ he sa id tha t he knew " 'hat it \ ' las a l labout . I guess he didn 't. That it \ ' las

presen ted bu t n o t t h a t it was approved.

That was h is t h a t vias h i s s to ry and I .

(Un in te l l i g ib l e )

• • am i nc l ined to agree \vi th him.

tha t , t h a t ' s r i g h t .

I 'm i nc l ined to agree with him.

I th ink (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

John Dean vlnS too smart to have t h i s man

babble on.

Somebody must (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) I still t h i nk ,

a t t h a t p o i n t it still seems to me, whathappened was t h a t ( un in te l l i g i b l e with tape

noise) ge t t i ng i n fo rmat ion these guys weregoing to do a l l kinds o f th ings to it,

p r o t e c t ( u n i n t c l l iq ib l e ) p r o t e c t thesur rogates (un in te llig ib l e ) You ",ant to

knmv what the (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) w i l l do to us ...

(Uninte l l ig ib le) are n't you?

• . . p r o tec t them your b e s t and Liddy presen tedan e l abor a t e p lan . You knmv (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

kidnapp ing . (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) •

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Kidnapping? J e l l I don ' t know. Kidnappi ng.

Yeah, kidnap the r ing leaders of the

demonst ra tors (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

Have Liddy (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

Well , he wore a shoulde r ho l s t e r when hewas a young a t to rney (un in t e l1 iq ib l e ) . What

does t h a t prove? \'ihat does t h a t prove? And fuh, I thought , t he r e fo r e , t h a t what qo t

approved was, okay , you do need a budge t ,

you do need a ( un i n t e l l i g i b l e ) , you do need

t h i s work, but keep,

...But they d i dn ' t approve any th ing .

(unin te 11ig b le )

• • • keep, keep it v/ i th in the la\.,r and vle ' l l

do it. Don ' t t e l l us anymore about .

Tha t ' s , t h a t ' s got to be Mitche l l .

That ' s go t to be Mitche l l . Y e ~ and, andhe ' sgonna have a c r ed i b i l i t y con t e s t wi th ,

uh, seve ra l p eople bu t , uh , pa r t i cu la r ly

Magruder (un in te l l ig ib le ) Well , seve ra l

peop lebu t

Magruder - -

t·1agruder i s , I t h i nk , a consununate l i a ra t the presen t t ime .

Ah, he . . .

They c an ' t give hi m immunity can they? And

I don ' t see how they can give Dean inununi ty .

Uh, I guess they cou ld if they wanted to ,bu t - -

Gi ve Magruder inununi ty , I suppose.

Well , I don ' t know what th ey ' r e . .what theU.S. At torney ' s Office i s gunning fo r bu t

I assume th ey ' r e gunning fo r Haldeman and

poss ib ly Ehrl ichman, away.



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I th ink (unin te l l i g i b l e ) E h r l i c ~ m a n (un in t e l l i g i b l e ) e i t h e r top or bottom.I , I mean on a conspi ra rcy .

But vlith Haldeman they s t a r t a t the t op .

Hhen it beqan they d i d n ' t th ink (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

I f the Se g re t t i rubs of f ( un in t e l l i g ib l e )

Uh huh.

But , uh, you have Chanin and th e n you have to

s p e l l ou t ( u n i n t e l l i g i b le ) t h r e e hundredf i f t y thousand. (Unin te l l ig ib le ) Jack

Anderson 's column (un i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .

Uh huh.

And, uh, people \Vould say hO\" could you t ake

t h a t much money out o f the '.7hi t e House\Vi t hou t Haldeman's approval? I sa id I d id

it on my own. I th ink he d id•. h , bu t

, t h e y ' l l say he author ized it. ( tape noise) .(un in t e l l i g i b l e ) Dean to ld him to do it.

You to ld them you needed th e money and sofo r th . Well , coming along here . .

Yeah.

. • . I look back a t Dean 's - - Dean has no\.,sa id th e y ' r e no t going to make him ascapegoat .

Yeah.

I d i d n ' t not i ce anything t h i s t ime. WellvThat I s he talkin<J about? Hho ' s he t a lk in gabout? Haldeman?

Haldeman and Ehr l ichman. He, he • .•

vlhy's he mad a t them?

H e l l

h'hat d id they do to him?



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In h is defense . I th ink - -Wel l , S i r ,

obviously he ' s been t a lk ing to h is wifewho sa i d , " J o h ~ y o u ' r e (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

now these guys pushed you in to t h i s(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) . .

In o the r words t h a t he was an agen t o f those

who...(Uninte l l ig ib le) these f e l l a s t a lked youin to it.

Now, how was Ehr1ichman in on t h a t agen t ,

l e t me t e l l you, in what r espect?

~ ' i 1 e l l . . .

How, how do you see tha t? Te l l me what doyou.

Well, I , I don ' t know, uh...(Unin te l l i g ib le)

. . . i f he has any problems. lvel l , he was-fo r one th ing he sa id t h i s i s n ' t gonna bemade pub l ic - - I guess I (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

go t to do with a l l t h i s .

Ehrlichman had no pr io r knowledge.

Tha t ' s fo r su re .

. • • bout any of t h i s .

(Uninte l l ig ib le)

And I th ink - - Well, they claim Haldeman

d id and t h a t get s back to t h i s . They saytha t a budget was s en t over . This i s th e

s t o ry . That it was dropped. The, uh, andit was s en t to Strachan and St rachan , it i sassumed, sen t it to Ehrlichman. Strachandenies ever ge t t i ng a budget showing t h a t

there was bugging in it and of course ,therefore , Haldeman, of course , den ies t h a the ever saw it, and I bel i eve Haldeman.I don ' t th ink Haldeman l i e s .



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I d o n ' t th ink Haldeman l i e s .

The o the r poin t i s th a t th ey sa id th a tt he , the , t h a t the tape wa s sen t over

and, o f cou r se , St rachan says we go t

m at e r i a l t h a t says con f iden t i a l sou rces

r epo r t , bu t U1at he • .•

Yeah.

. . • ad no, no i dea t h a t it was t h a t

and, of course , Haldeman probably , t he n ,

he sa id the s t u f f was so use less th a t hed i d n ' t even have Haldeman see it. Nmvt h a t ' s what they sa id . I be l i eve th a t .

I don 't know ",hat I "rant , bu t ' ' 'hat the

h e l l . .

So Dean, Dean c a n ' t t e s t i fy on t h a t po in t .He d a n ' t say t h a t - - or Magruder. Magruderc a n ' t say - - Magruder can say he sen t it ,

bu t , uh, nobody can say t h a t it g o t he re .

Tha t ' s r i g h t .

Go ahead . Come back to Dean on Ehr l ichnan .

Hhat e l s e does he say Ehrlichman . • •

Well he s t a r t s by saying - - it goes back .

Yeah

(Uninte l l ig ib le ) it goes back to th e

Plumbers.

Yes. The Li ddy ' s . That was a l l in t he ,

a l l in the na t iona l secu r i ty a rea , Dick.I know a l l about t h a t .

A ll r i g h t . I was j u s t .

Tha t involved - - t h a t involved - - I ];:nO\';exac t l y wh at it was. It involved the

t ime of the .•. " ,hat the h e l l ,,,as it.

The--



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Yeah.

Edgar Hoover wouldn ' t do El lsbe rg

because Louis , uh, Marxi the

dau gh t e r " la s marr ied . Me.rx was afriend of Hoover 's . You kno," th e s to ry

there .

. Ahh.

Th e toy l"1an. Th e da U)'hter 'vas marr ied

to El lsbe rg and Edgar - - j u s t personal ly- - j u s t cou ldn ' t bring h imse l f to g e t

in to it. So we had to do someth in g onEl lsbe rg and , and the capab i l i t i e s 1.2)')

here to t ry t o g e t informat ion on the

El l sberg case . But no\'1 on tJ lat sco re

There ,vas no bUgging, I found . They hadthe FB I do bugging once it qot in to the

case , l e t me assure you , bu t , b u t asfa r as the - - t he r e wa s t h i s c r azyth ing where Hunt goes ou t an d breaksin to th e p s y ch i a t r i s t ' s of f ice an dhas a p ic tu re taken. I l"1ean, I nean,uh, (unin te l l i g i b l e ) look a t some f i le s

and so fo r th . But , Ehrlichman ,

Ehrlichman had no knowledge o f , o f t h a tp a r t i c u l a r t h i ng . He did not approveanything l i ke t h a t and so for th andso on. And I d o n ' t knm·, ",hat Dean I st a lk in about the Plumbers. I s t h a ti t ? •

- - - - - -- - - - .- - - -



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He never spe l l ed it ou t in a l l t h i s t i n e .\\Te've sa id t h i s i s g'onna be ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e )burg la ry r i f l i n g t h ~ p s y c h i a t r i s t ' s f i l e s .

Yeah. What e l se?

And, uh, then he got. wague ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .

He go t vague?

lIe ment ions Kroqh as . having a prob l em( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) . I th.ink it's to do

\'l i th the same thing.. But he says t h i n a s ' dbe b e t t e r o ff no t knm-!ing . (Unin telliq ib l e )\-lell , by t h is t ime "u n in te l l i g ib le) see Di ta

Beard . • •

Yeah, t h a t \-las Hunt ..

And then Hunt and . uh - -and , and I

f e l t (un i n t e l l i g i b l e } because Chuck had had

th e c l i spos i t ion o f th i s guy •• •

Ha, ha .

• . . as yo u w e l l know.. And r used to worryabout it. I never knew \ 'ihat the he ll he \-lasup to himself - -some of these t h i ngs . So

I j u s t lookecl as ide and I sa i d w e l l , youmust know t h a t anyth ing ' s "7aterqa te , t h a t ' sno t re l a t ed i s over , I doubt t h a t ' s eve r

going t o su r f ace , Vlhatever the he ll it i s .So I... ,



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Except , excep t Dean and he says h e ' s

n o t gonna be a scapeg ro t .

Yeah. He 's gonna t e s t i f y I th ink t h a t • . •

Lash o u t on t h a t s o r t o f t h i ng .

Oh, yeah . Yeah.

Don ' t you th ink so?

/He might . lIe might . Uh , . • •

I s t h a t r e l evan t i n a t r i a l ?

t\1ell, in the Grand J 1..lr"y anythinrJ i s relevClnt .See Dean isn't going to th e Grand Ju r y .

Well , I t o ld Pe te rsen however, to ld Pe te rsen ,I s a i d , "NOH, u h , bring ou t any th ing e lse

you " ,ant ," bu t I s a i d , "you canno t go i n to

the na t i ona l secu r i ty a r ea . " I sa i d tha tf i r s t t h i ng . That ' s proper to tell hi m ,

d o n ' t you agree? ••

I would th ink so .

• •• if it was na t i ona l secu r i ty .

Yes.

I sa id , I sa id t he , uh, El lsbe rg - -and I t o ld

him exac t l y what t h i s invo lves , t h i s na t i ona l

secu r i ty s t u f f . I sa i d if it's anything

e l s e , you can ask 'em any th ing .

I th ink t h i s grann ju ry and t h i s p r o s e c u to r

have ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) . (Un in te l l i g ib l e ) . I

d o n ' t know these U.S. Atto rneys , Glanzer ,

Si lb e r t , ...

Yeah. Real ly tough. I d o n ' t knovl. Tha t ' s

t h e i r j ob .

Yeah, sure it i s , bu t I d o n ' t th ink t h ey ' r e

gonna be looking for s t u f f l i k e t h a t . I th ink

they ' r e gonna, if they can, if they can r c l e t e th e Watergate and r e l a ted th in as , I th ink

they ' r e even gonna prohably drop , pre t ty much ,

th e S e g r e t t i s ide of t h i s th ing .



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l'1el l, t h a t ' s nothing- Segre tti plead t he ,se l f - i n c r iminat ion and what s h i t .

Tha t ' s r i ght . So . • •

Nov' "lha t e l se h as Dean got on- -on Haldeman?I j u s t , I didn 't---

I don ' t know. l\1e ll, "Je l l , uh, my problemi s t h a t , uh, it a l l r e la te s to pos t June ,June 17 a r r angemen t s to , payments to ...

That Haldeman wa s in t ha t ?

Well , I don ' t know . I don' t know, s i r .

Does Dean say he was?

l i e l l , J e t roe tel] you what he sa id about,uh,-- l '!e ll, a t the La Co s ta meet lng - - chd

Ehr l ichman t a lk to you about th e La Costa-tie h n ~ Yeah. Yeah.That ' s r i gh t .

Yeah, yeah, yeah , yeah.In Cal i fo rn i a .

Yes. Ju s t th e background so t h a t - - l e t me

giveyo

uthe

focuso r perspec

t iv e . Wego t

sen t fo r • . .

Dean ,.,ras t h e re?

Yes. Dean ann I go t sen t fo r on a F r i d a ~ a f t e rnoon , the day a f t e r the Senate passedth e r eso lu t ion • . .

Right .

the Se lec t Com:nit tee. Could we coneou t fo r the wee-end to t a lk about th e , . 00-

i gh t.

• . • th e Ha t erga te .-

Right .



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He go t the a i rp l ane and 'lIe went . • .

That \>Tas a t l I a l - - a t our i n i t i a t i v e , w asn ' t

i t ?

Sure .

I orde red t h a t .

Tha t ' s r i g h t . So, we had tw o peop le ...

I j u s t \>Tanted to be su r e - - t he P re s i den t ' st r y ing to i n - , in v e s t ig a te t h i s th ino. . I

th ink I 'lIas.

Yes, I g o t t h a t loud and c le a r because our

bags were packed , \>Te we re in th e h a l lwe \"lere going to t a J ~ e on e week a t (un in te l l ig ib le ) we were able to d iv e r t to , ...

Yeah •

. . . to the a i r p o r t . I went to Ca l i fo rn i a - -

So yo u went to La Cos ta . So what happenedth en?

H e l l \'7e had bvo rneeting s: uh on n

Sa turday , one on uneay. Severa l hours each .Uh, one up in uh, Ehr l id lman ' s o ft t the

e 0 _ e r a t the cot t age

You d i d n ' t see me on t h a t occasion?

No, s i r . No . You were t he r e .

I \Vas boa t ing . (Uninte l l i g i b l e ) I

d i d n ' t , they d i d n ' t in te rc ep t ~ e . You \>Tere boa t i ng . This was - - ac tua l ly \>Thatit was ...

... hra ins torming .



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(Unintel l igibl . ,=), . A lr ig h t .

And th e , iil'l1SWe'r I,ras· '·Ie·"re no t , uh, going

to be n r . g i 1 . n i z e d ,·,e ' re n o t s e t up fo r it.

Uh, we ( u n i l 1 t e l ] i g i b ~ e ) y es , w e ' r e gonna

be working ' Rnd s tudy ing b u t we d i d n ' t haveany organizRt i0l1 ·,. \ ' . didn ' t have peop le

\·,ho. do t r i a l , . b o o . k s _ ~ .

R i g h t .

. • • and do r e se a r c h ITnd t h i s s o r t o f t h in g .

R i g h t .

So , \I/ 'ell , w e ' r e gonna s:ee what we can expec t ,

we've g o t e v e r y t h i n g , t e l e v i s i o n , th e make - upof the commi t t ee , \·, lia t , kind o f ( un i n t e l l i g i b l e )

can \ ' le do anything abo-ut ",hat counse l they

g e t . n u t th e f i r s t " the very first t h ing

was , \'1e l l . , i s n t Ul i s r I t h i n l ~ t h a t , in a,

sense a j 'ob for: tJ1e' Corruni t t e e . Vb, th e

'l'7h i t e House can 't !v'e ' answer inq every day , uJ"

it came to us , bi1t through the Commit tee .So th e Committee. 's' '1ot to be s e t up in pub lic

(uni.n t e l l i g i b l e )' S 0 , they can h i r e p e o p l e ,

lawye r s , (unin t .e l l iSJ ib le ) ...

Yeah,. T h a t IS bc 'st.

..• C u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) ~ And I remember the wors t

th ing . t h a t

had a

Yeah •

• . . do some t h i n g s s u m as h i r e p e o p l e , g e t

s o m ~ ( u n i n t e l l i . g . i b l ( ~ ~ ) , : t h i s group, ..

ee



2 PRIL 1 9 , 197 3 FROM 3:45 P.M. TO 5 :00 P . M

t-100RE :

PRESIDEN'f:

MOORE:

PRESIDENT:

HOOlill :

PRESI DENT :

HOaRE :

PRESIDENT :

HOaRE:

PRESIDENT:

MOORE :

P RES ID ENT:

HOaRE :

PRESIDENT:

• • . spend a l l t h e i r t ime he r e .

Righ t .

Unin te l l i g i b l e .

Unin te llig i b l e .

And so 1 ~ h a t 1:hat I s every t h in we ll,

t h a t was s e t up th e . l r s ' aY e Now, o f

~ o t ne r e WRS a ll t h i s k i nd of dlScu5s ion

-on the second day '-1 don I t know th e:: exac tt he re was' a r e f e r ence to abou t D e ~ n

rrtSy th e way , they need more money fo r tho se

te l lo\ ' !S. II

Righ t , and?

J clon I t th in] ' ' lnyhody ra j sed i t . I ampa raphra s i ncr the thincr . Ub ( t ane no i s e )'Lcan I t say , I don ' t knml hm . it came up bu tqk v h e it s '-l i t c h e ] ] IS t t lrn ! rJi\vhe he ciln clQ

.:some of it. Thi s vias th e first t i :1c th i l t

' : c ill'1e , I don i t }:om-'. a t a n)' ,-;,,j°e i . " J h ~ n ina.t!ie r worcls , ( un i n t e l l i g ib l e )

Dean sa id " they need more money . "

(Un in t e l l ig ib le ) .

Your r eco l l ec t i ons a re Ehr l ichman sa i d to

send them to La Rue.r-------------------I don ' t kn ow--Ehr l i chman o r Haldeman o r

o r , uh, now look ..•

Or even Dean .

t h a t

; "vbend ;;

we knOlv a

He l l , now on t h a t ..•



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Yeah.

Money fo r what?

Wel l , I d i d n ' t ask ...,

Tha t ' s the po i n t .

But , I sensed t h a t . t h a t uh (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

on t h a t . it w ~ s s u g g e s t ~ d , Dick, you goup t h e r e , tell John r you knO\'l , relRY th i sto hiP1. l\nd I didn 't reEl c t o r th ink i lboutit p a r t i c u l a r l y (un in te l l i g i b l e ) see \-That

' they say .

But , as fa r as t h a t conversa t ion i s concerned ,I 'E l ju s t ry ing to ge t i t , you knoH , in te rmso f the Ehrl ichraan, Haldeman, those par 'c i -

c ipa t ing in it.

Righ t .

I presUf'lp.mone fo r

do

No, you w oul dn ' t say it about t h a t .

Well , t h a t ' s th e i n p o r t a n t th ing .

(Unin te l l ig ib le )

T ha t ' s a damned impor t an t po in t .

Y e s " s i r , it, it most c e r t a i n ly i s .

And Dean may have (u n in te l l i g ib l e ) .

The ques t ion is, the

t

bottom to Ehrl ichman and~ t h e r e \'laS a fund •..

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ eah.



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?-100RE :

•.. t b a t was ~ g - - Q a d been r a i sed andb e in q r en len i shed to compensate these

:e .ows fo r "Ii thho C lng o r a t e r i ng t h e i rt e s t imony ... ( u n i n t e l l i g l

~ g h t . If it ,,;as fo r t h a t pu rpose : • .

(U n i n t e l l i g i b l e )

• . . it was obs t ruc t i on . If it was fo r t h ~ ,purp ose of a t t o r ne ys ' fees and so fo r th ,th a t ' s a d l f f e r c n t t h l ng .

~ H e l l , now nh, th01t 's , t h a t ' s cheer ing

because no purpose would s t i c k , and I d i d n ' tknm'; what - -

T clop ' t !rpml phothe r r--\ '{hat the 1m." i 5 ~ b u t I would assume t h a t I was (un in t.e l l ig ib le ) - - -

vlel lhav<3

th e reason Hnx"

fees ...

Yeah.

• . -:.is t h a t in re t u rn fo r t h e i r fune ra l

o r a t i o n .

WeU , · ;ba t . jn

I 5U ose , "1'1e11, l i s t e n , t h a t ' snot our problem, s pro em,l

Uh , t h a t ' s r i g h t ._

-(Unin te l l ig ib le )

T ha t ' s r i g h t .

I d o n ' t have to tell you.

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MOORE :

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MOORE :

What would you say on t h a t , Dick?

I would say , t h a t , first of all, I d i d n ' ttell John to do it.

T ha t ' s it, t h a t ' s r i g h t . (Unin te l l ig ib le )

t h a t ' s a nega t ive s e t t i n g .

(Unin te l l ig ib le ) I 'm t r y i n g , to , the b e s t

of my a b i l i t y , I have no t , because I c a n ' ttCllk to any body. I ' v e h a v e n ' t t a l ke d to

John.

Yecth.

Um bu t t h a t doesn ' t q u i t e go to the que s t i on ,

even wi t hou t my t r i p . \'Jh a t was t h a t re m a rk?Hhat vIas it about? And ',.,hat \-laS your w1 der s t and ing? \:hy d i d n ' t t !ley ask ",hat it ,,,as

for? But , I d o n ' t knm-l. I d o n ' t know.

I th ink it i s I com see hm" these t h i n g s ,

hOI-I you ge t i n to them.

So many th in gs come up.

I d o n ' t knm" vrhat, what th e knm-l ledg e \olas--

NOH, Dean, uh , Dean spoke to me as \- le went

on--you remember the reason t h a t I , f r ankly ,took him o f f f in a l ly and pu t Ehrl ichman on

was t h a t it was qu i t e c l e a r t h a t he cou ldn ' t

\v r i te h is daPln (un in t e lliq ib l e) too nuchabou t it. I d i d n ' t \van t to errtbarrass hirlany,,,ay. I though t I could see motion by

then (unin t ell i r r ib le) I d i d n ' t n u t sO:'1ebodv

e l se on it ' s e I d I d n ' t want anybodyj:.o n a i l me Th e a t torney fo r Hun t, an u,

and h e , and then he po i n t e d o u t you j u s t

c a n ' t go down t h i s road ( tm in t e l l i g ib l e VIi th

t ape noise)

Dean, now t h i nks (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

Dean, Dean, s a i d , w e l l - -

Does t h i s , u h , - -



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MOORE:

Haldeman i s th e re , Hal deman , I mean Dean,now. This i s much l a t e r .

Yes , I would like to --i f I

Uh, th e f i r s t t im e I aot

, ' .' Ll Jnea l i nrr throucr!1

. f9r money fo r s i loncc ",as about ath e s e n te ncing which - -

' rhis i s l'1uch l a t e r . This i s a mu ch- - 'i 'his i sto ward the end of the- -This i s toward ~ l e end o f the time I saw Dean. The l a s t t imeI sa", him, as a mat te r o f f ac t (un in te l l i g i b l e )mil l ion o r something ( t ape n o i s ( ~ ) a t a ll.

I sa id \-1e can 't, uh , I sa id (u n i n t e l l i q i b l e )--Hm',1 1 0ng - - l1ov1 much did you have to pay .And he sa id a mil l ion do llars , you ' d h ave

to pay t h a t , over four years . I sa id youc a n ' t do t h a t .

No, uh--

Bu t t h a t \'Jas when we , u h , - -

Never go t (un in te l ligib le)

\-lhen He, uh, thR t was i t - -

I , I gave him a l e c t ur e on th e b l a c k n a i lt h in g when, whe n he p l anned t he schedu les ,

"I go t a prob l em , I j u s t go t a \'lord to dayt ha t Hunt had been ho l d in g us up . He \vants$40 ,000 , I th ink t h a t ",as the f igure .

For ty thousand fo r h is s ilence , a n d seve n tythousand fo r h is l awyers . That ' s what --het o l d 'me t h i s .

Before he 'd been se n ten c ed . Lots of bold

typin g in escrow a t the to p .

Yeah.

And t h a t was a personnel - -but , uh, b u t- -



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APRIL _19, 1973 FROM 3:45 P.M. TO 5:00 P.M.

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You heard about t h a t too (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

He mentioned tha t to me too .

I was a lone with him.

Yeah.

And tha t one (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) I d i d n ' t - - I

a f r a id o f never s topped to th ink ofin s t r uc t ions , I was s o r t o f , you know--

I was th ink inq of it e i t h e r on tha t occas ion .

I \'laSn' t prepared to pay any damn blackmai 1 .

So, I cou ldn ' t say t h a t . I sa id John, whoeveryou a re t a l k i ng to , and I d o n ' t knO\-l \-,hat

it is, tell hi m l e t the guy t a lk to him andg e t h is b lackmai l , because once you do it,

h e ' s dead .

\ '1ell , we could use the blackp\ai l term up in

the Senate .

Well , yo u know , I had a c l i en t once , who was

being b lackmai l - -and it near ly k i l l e d him.

Tha t ' s r igh t .

Isa i d cu t

ito f f nmv, and t h e r e ' s nothing hecan say a t t h i s po in t .

Well , Dean, to h is c r ed i t sa id t h a t when hewas with me .

Yeah. Yeah.

But I unders tand ...

Yeah, b u t t h i s was

. . • t h a t ",as r a i sed l a t e r and, uh, t h a t , and

tha t Ih t c h e l l apparen t ly r a i sed the money .

(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) J o h n wasn ' t (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

He did? About t ha t ?



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APRIL 19 , 1973 FROf.1 3:45 P.M. TO 5:00 P ./.1.

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~ ' l e l l , I d o n ' t ' kno\'T if it \'las t h a t sum of

money, b u t he i n d i - , i nd ica ted to me oncet h a t , t h a t , t h a t - - t h a t , ah, I t h i nk it . was

in t h a t same th ing I d o n ' t know--" I mean

I have to c a l l r i i t c h e l l , " he s a i d . Nowt h i s \ 'las a f t e r th e lo ng , long a f t e r La Cos ta ,

long a f t e r my v i s i t , a ~ d w h e ~ John l aughedabout it, I sa id (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) - - y ouknOl., John l ' ! i t che l l , we l l , you know, you

knm .. hm .. he f ee l s abut th e younge r fe l lows .

I sa id , " the re must be a program, JO!1!1. li e

go t t a ge t you to \·.'Ork a t th e Committee ,"I la ughed when I sa id t h a t and I tal}(ed to

hil"\ and some o t he r people . (un in t e l l i g ib l e )spoke to hil11 spend ing l110re t ime , you knm ...\ ' le l l , you know.

vlhat 'd he say abou t t h i s money?

\ve l l . . .

( un i n te l l i g i b l e ) ...was t h a t d i scussed?

~ l e r e you j u s t t a l k i ng ( u n i n t e l l i g i b le) about .

Vh, no Uffi •• •

Dean apparen t ly d id t a l k t o H i t che l l then

about t he payof f , so he'll n a i l N i t che l l

on t h a t .

Yeah. I'd say--nOl"', among o t h e r t h ings -

so:newhe re a long the l i n e , I was a Ii ttle

embarrassed ...

Yeah.

. • . to ask him. I sa id , uh, something \'las

sa id abou t what do you need and the o t he r

guy ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) , the o t h e r guy wasRockefe l le r . (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

( ~ n i n t e l l i g i b l e )



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•.. and then he sa id , I th ink he sa id ,someth ing - - "you kno\-l a f t e r a ll, I <un apa t t lc ip i ln t . " Tha t , t h a t , th a t ",as the f i r s tt lung I' a COme £0 f ee l ( u n i n t e l h g ~ b l e ) Wel l , l e t me say t h i s , thank God we d i d n ' t

have any money. Hone vias g iven .

Yeah. Yeah.

But Dean d id r a i s e it. So, I guess we ' re

in--hnun.

1'10\\1 if it came....froJ'T\ H i tche l l , t he n , th e n - - th i scrrp of TIJi l ~ ~ j ;,ou knml, if I 'd hud anyf e e l i n a ahnet ;1; ..; OD. (un in te l l i g i b le )

where we da I ",ould hay.1 8 t . d i d n ' t (un i n t e l -

l i g i b l e ) .

Tha t ' s r i 9 h t .

But the t r i p , uh, th e t r i p , it, it--

The t r i p to Ne", York.

The t r i p to New York to see John , to r epo r t ...

But you d i d n ' t r e a l ly ...

• . • t h a t , t h a t . • .

•• • hlO or t h ree t imes . It j u s t d i d n ' t

s t r i k e you.

No . No. A little b i t , bu t I thought ofi t - - t h e way t h a t ...

(unin t e l l i g i b l e )

It was a l l a f t e r the f ac t .

Yeah.



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,,' a sn ' t - - t he good len-1Ver IHere ou , n o \ < l I-las nlay inq

I f a CO,,:nl menten r a l s l n 1 n e ; a e r ,

d o e s n ' t change anyth ing . It's still a cover

uJ? job .rYep.

(Unin te l l ig ib le )

And if the purpose to keep him fro:n t a l k ing .

Sure .

The ques t ion i s t h a t the purpose i s to help

a man 1-1110' s in t r oub le . You can do t h a t ,bu t you c a n ' t keep hiT'1 froP] t a l k ing .

Yeah.

I s n ' t t ha t the poin t?

It i s , bu t who ' s gonna bel i eve we wDnted to

help these guys because we f e l t sor ry for

them, it, it ...

Well , I know. T ha t ' s the po i n t : it's hardto be l i eve .

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the pa t t e rn i s verydi sconcer t ing on t h i s .

T ha t ' s r i g h t .

And nOl-I , the p o i n t i s t h a t t he re was some

knOVTled(Je of what t h a t money "'as f o r - -

if it WilS fo r t ak ing advantetcre of t ::e ru les

(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) George Bush t o ld ~ ( u n i n t e l l i gib l e ) the o t he r day . lIe ""ascomplainin g etbout th i s (uni n te llig ib l e ) drawhim ou t . "Hardian (un in te l l i g i b l e ) to come

ove r and go t me in the corne r and sa id ,'They' re a s J ~ i n g me fo r $30 , 000 .'" 7heConuni t t e e . (un in t e l l i g ib l e )

Jesus Chr i s t .



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HOOP£:

PRESIDENT:

HOaRE :

PRESIDENT:

MOORE :

He s a i d , " I f t h e y ' r e t ry ing to r a i se afund fo r t hese l i i l t e rga te r s , ( un i n t e l l i g i b l e )

f igu re o u t (un in t e l l i g ib l e ) what t h a t i s a l labou t . He "las mad a - t h a t . ( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .He s a i d , he s a i d , you know, l ike so many

peop le , he would say lay it a l l ou t , t h a t - -

He' s wor-ried as h e l l . He a l l a r e .

But • • .

An d y e t we should la y it a l l a n t and t h a t ' swhat we've f i na l ly done, I guess .

Well , they 're no t s a t i s f i ed . This noney--th e ,

the c h i e f th ing is--well,I d o n ' t know whatt he , (unint e llig ib le ) i n t e r p r e t a t i o n i s o f

the $350,000 wh ich .• .

'I 'hat undoubtedly \Vent, it seems to me - - "le

d o n ' t know . It was re tu rned , uh, b u t it

went , uh , - -L aRue g o t it as an agen t , a ccordi:1 <J

to Haldeman, fo r th e Commit tee.

But on the o the r hand, it's cash and a l l t h a t .But it \-lent t h e r e and, uh , they , the y--itce r t a in ly would be impl ied t h a t HaldeDan,

would, Haldemana ~ p r o v e d

it fo r t h a t purpose .I mean t h a t ' s \\lhat t h e y ' r e <Jonna t ry to say .

(un in t e l l i g ib l e ) and, uh, and I no t iced • . .

Tha t ' s Haldeman's vu lne rab i l i t y .

Yeah. According to , uh, t h a t so - ca l l ed

t e s t imony , u11, uh, St rachan s a i d , uh, "I

d id it. I dec id ed it myself (un in t e l l i g ib l e )Ivel l , t h a t ' s no t gonna to do (un in te l l i g i b l ew i th t ape no ise )

( u n i n t e l l i g i b l e with t ape no ise ) go i n to t h a t .



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The one t h a t , t h a t ul t imate ly concerns - - the

35 0 i s water un d er the hr idge . Th e l a s t oneconcerns J"le only because of he made n cn t i o nin my presence , "'hich he shou ldn ' t have done ,bu t n e v e r th e l e s s he ment i oned . I must sayt h a t I s ..."hat r ea l ly t r iggere( l My own(un in t e l l i g i b l e ) £or C h r i s t ' s sake . Then Ir a i s ed the c r i t i c a l po i n t , "HoI'! much i sth a t <Jonna cos t? Co st y ou a m il l i o n do l l a rs

(unin t e l l i g i b l e ) "

This was in a r ecen t ( u n i n t e l l i g i b le )

Almost th e l a s t one I had \Vith him.

Where he sa id - - wQuld , \Vould y ou r epea t

th a t what he sa i d .

I sa id ",hat I r eca l l \Vas tha t - -Dick , he ",astalkinCJ about th e problem , you k nm! , I sa i d

t he prob l eM \o7i th t h i s th inq as \'7el l th e

problei\; , o f the obs t ruc t ion and I sa i d "['] e l l ,what , l . i ke Hhat?" "\')e l l fo r example , ButtJ"lar:

has speak - spoken to me in the ( tape no i se)b u t a f t e r t h a t he c a l l ed M itc he ll, from\"hat I g<lther ."

lIe d i d n ' t t e ll you t h a t befo re th e fac t.

Dean t o ld yo u t h i s a f t e r th e fa c t . A f te rit

was a l l o v e r .

Oh. You mean befo re the noney \'las ra i sed?

I mean a t th e tim e t h a t I \'las in the s t r i n gof meetin<Js with yo u and Dean .

Yeah.

( u n i n t e l l ig ib le with t ape no ise )

(un in te l lig ib le with tape no i se ) what th e

h e l l d id he t a lk ab ou t in those meet ings?

We t a lked - - the f i r s t t wo meet in gs \ 'lereexecu t ive p r i v i l e g e on our app roach t o t h i s ...

Yeah.



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l\PRIL 19 , 1 973 FROt-[ 3 : ~ 5 P.H. TO......:;...S-'-:..;.-'-O-"-P..:;.. ;..:Ilc.:..,

MOORE :

PRESIDENT:

HOORE :

PHESIDENT:

• . . and (un in te l l i g i b l e ) . The, uh,t h i r d meGtinq , uh, nothinc; l i k e t h i s . A ·genera l ques t ion , what are our t a c t i c s ,what we shou ld do we do abou t prepar ing .

Yeah.

Dean had some ideas such as we ought to

cha l lenge the othGr Senators to , uh, pu t

t h e i r campaign records a t the d i spo sa l . . •

Yeah. Yeah , he ~ . " a n t s to take on (u n in te l · -

l ig ib le ) ...



:1 'APRIL 19 , 1973 FROH 3: >: 5 TO 5:00 P . i'1.

MOORE :

PRES I DENT :

BOORE :

PRESIDENT :

HOORE :

PRESIDENT :

HOORE :

PRESIDENT :

HOORE :

PRESIDENT:

HOORE :

PRESIDENT :

MOORE :

P RES IDENT :

Yeah. hnd t h a t , uh, uh, we might g e t

some kind . o f mate :c..ial t.O, b u i ld S u l l i v a n .These . a re all t a c t i c a l ttJ'tings t h a t - -.

Yeah . . O h ~ I had fo&got ten S u l l i v a n .

Yeah .

He g o t a r e p o r t iroIT" S.u 1.1Ti van and didn ' tth ink it was very g·pod. CI';;:.tually .

Yeah . Then we t a lkeu .: .'.lbQut, uh ,main ta in ing a s t r o n q p o s ~ ~ i o n on s e p a r a t i on o f powers ...

Yeah .

. .. b u t we n e v e r g o t any f a c t u a l

stu f f .

The money t h i n g was r a i s ed \"i ·th me in a .meet ing where HEldcman W[l:s. t h e r e her a i s e d t h i s p o i.n t· about: t h i s .

Dh huh . Well ', t11e cfamnest s t u f f open(u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) .

No . A p p a r e n t l y ,. I t l l ink they g o t it .

I t h ink t h a t was Cun .i : :n teI l ig ib le ) .

He was n o t mconcerne.d . No . No .La t e r ( un i n t e l l i g i b l e ) _ La t e r , It h i n k , I t h ink , he : got . - - I don ' t know .I guess they got money. I don ' t know .Maybe t hey d i d n ' t " J1ay.bG:: t, '1at ' s why

Hunt ' s t a l king . B ~ t arr n e a s t they ' r e - -

But - - if, i f anybo'dy r.ck :e-s Hi t c h e l l in

th e wors t l i g h t , and IOC'lking a t it , yo uknow-- I f t h e r e is.- - Now ' let me p u t it l ik e

l i k e t h i s : There was ' s 'ome knowledge o f

payment pr ocedur e , o r t i l ie need fo r money,

uh (u n i n t e l l i g i b l e ) l ,nG' I ' m n o t t r y in g .. .

Y.eah." : -



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APRIL 19 , 1973 FROH 3::45 TO 5:00 P . M

MOORE:

PRESIDENT:

MOORE :

PRESIDE NT:

HOORE:

PRESIDENT :

MOORE :

PRESIDENT :

HOORE:

PRE SI DENT :

l-100RE :

P RESIDENT:

. . • to make tro uh l e fo r anybody , I'mt r y i ng t o p u t i t · · -

But t he n l"lhylicbman could have t o l d

somebody.

No , no. vihat T'm wander ing ve ry

f r ank ly , is th.:ey ",c re on t h a t , t h a t -

th ey 're on . t h i s ' : r . a c k - - t h i s , th e case

th ey ' I e t .r y i n .g t.ev make , I t h i n k i s t h a t

e i t h e r Ha·ldem;:,m cr.c Eh rlichman o r bo th

no only ha d , knovl1edge o f bu-t approved

and pe rha ps h.e.lpeci th e obs t r uc t i on

ope r a t i on .

Righ t .

That they w a ~ , t e ~ to keep t h i s , yo u know ,( n i n t e l l i g i b l . e ) from coming o u t and

were t r y in q t o p ~ o t e c t you and ...Yeah.

. . . in a dcsp enl ' t .e s i tua t io :1 they s a i d

a ll r i g h t , . ym u· know , go ahead and pay

th em o f f - - And' i:t-: t h i s i s t h e case they ' r e

t r y i ng t o · prn'\l'C":, r don ' t knmJ how much

o f a case th .ey· li.ave . Vh , uh . Johnme nt ions , ul'L,. t h a t , t h a t , un , they c an

( u i n t e l ~ g i b wi th a n o t h e r (un in t e l-li g i b l e ) H.e t h o u g h t it was , uh, fo r

Hunt· · -

John E h r l i . c : h m ~ w

Yes , J ohn EhrLLcllman . Excuse me . Ah .Tha t he thou g h t. l .th is was fo r Hunt , to

k e e p - - becaus€", ot .benvi se Hunt was go i n gto start \'lr±.t i ng a r t i c l e s fo r L i f e

J.1aga z ine to ' earn some Iiloney and it's to

r ep lace t hat .... n ~ r s n o t an o b s t r u c t i o n

th in g . It' s a case o f --

Gi v in g up tlri11g .

It's a buck 5 0 h8 wou l d n ' t w r i t e , start

w ri t i ng n e"lS . s to r i e s .

And d id D:;;;1'11, ment ion t h a t to him?



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... 41APRIL 19 , 1973 FROH 3:45 TO 5:00P.1 '1 .

1'100RE :

PRESIDENT:

HOORE:

No , John mentioned th i s (un in te l li gib l e)It's the kind of th ing t h a t they have tohave , I d o n ' t know where he got t h a t bu t

see John Dean was t a lk ing - - was g e t t in git to Mitche l l a t the U. S . Attorney , heto ld me ...

Ye s . Sure was.

... hrough h is lawyer who's apparent ly

f r iend ly over t here and , wel l , he showedme a piece of paper , uh, tw o o r th re e

days before he, or t h a t weekend, (un in te l l i g i b l e) he asked me to come ou t on

something e l se . li e sa id t h i s - - I ' vebeen ta lk ing to my a t to rney , I d o n ' t

know. Something e l se i s doing over the re .

He sa id here ' s what I see and he had a

list of indictments . He had a list of

Mi t che l l , Dean , LaRue, Mardian with a

ques t ion mark, and then he had Ehrlichman ,

Haldeman , C o l s ~ t r ~ c h a n .



APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 to> 5.:00 p . m ~

PRESIDENT:

¥DJRE:

PRESIDENT:

H ~ X l R E :

PRESIDEl>IT':

MJJRE:

PRESIDENT:

MJJRE :

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE;

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

IlCh'1 did th is HDney thing., La Costa

J:, djiin 't. kno-v tillS: La . Cos-ta .. l i l ldthequ,e st ion 0.Jf , uh , . the , 'lLCt , i l l , uh, Dean

!.:faid ', . thai: what? ' That .La Costa

CUniil:t.elJ.:ig;ilile.. with taiJe nf:lll:::e) •

By the way" uh:,. I got hi.,,, to - they

l'k'lve . tiJer.e I s : a money p t'obI81f(. l '

clJeckhll, (Unintel l igible} •

UnintelD_gible

l' knCNJ. a' very gocd repol!''ter ..

Okay.

They [ thev new the noneY'o Uh, haven t

got. tUTmuch t i lne or it s .,. _

Yeah.

l lhr I rC'J.s8

"That . .. .

Yeah.

• . . vlhctlier sanetody d said he d been tome \.-lell: too oneIl ( or he sEouIdn t orLa . RUCl,':vJ:lS questionable or I do n 't kno",

what I.E h ' C l ~ Aid then permps tha t .

(urunteIDigible) the word whlch "laS

(unii1:ter-1\g ible) s a ' ; ; l , l . ~ ' d ~ t l T . 1 a ~ t t - : : : : : : : _ ...............Cuninttl:LligjJ)le )

facetiOus sa id ,

N<;:Jl:ion Roc 'e1..e l e r , he s q ~ t half anti1lion dollars an y tjme he \o;;;s71; ":

-WID John?,'

John EhrITchman sa id tl1at. AIrl saneone

~ i c t ; "Cve I!", DlCk,. when you see hin1, whyClor)" t :: you: t e l l him atX5ut th i s , Ii

(Vnwte:Il4igihte) . I t S my problHTI . I t s

hot .f a i r . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3 :45 to 5:00 p .m.

PRESIDENT;

M:DRE:

PRESIDENT:

M:DRE:

PRF.sIDEl:IT :

MJOHE;

PRESIDENT :

MJORE;

PRESIDENT :

t-IDRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT :

M:DRE:

Yeah.

Uh, I think, i t was forcEd on purpose .I spent four hcurs there. I \-;as the re ,if I 'd gone up to ask thc t qu est ion ,I didn 't nero to - - I ~ t e d to be doingthe whole bloonin ' thing. (Uninte l l ig ib le )

Carmittee (unintell igible) .

No.v , the other fac t beyorrl that \-las tha t ,

uh, Dean , l e t ' s see , uh, regarding, uh, . . .

(Uninte l l ig ib le with tape noise) extremely ,

extremely.

He was af te r La Costa . An:1 then there ' sanother time tha t you got Dean asking ,uh , (tminte l l ig ib le , with noise) .

Is tha t about the blackmail or, or John?

The b lackmail .

The blackmail conversation . . .

(Unintell igible) .

. . .was in , in Barch .

Yeah.

I would say probabl y . It was about a

~ e k before the sentencing \-lhich teakplace around the 21st of March.

And Dean • .•

Dean said to TIe , "Boy, L1ese punks It ell ya, uh, uh, I just go t word tha t

HW1t . . . " and I thought he said $40,000," is derranding tha t $40,000 be . . . " anywaya la rge sum of money , "be placed in hisaccount or in escrCM...

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44

APRIL 19, 1973 - 3: 45 to 5: 00 p.m

PRESIDENT:

l1JORE:

PRESIDENT:

M.)()RE:

PRESIDENT;

PRESIDENT;

l1JORE:

PRESIDENT:

PRESIDE:r,IT :

H)ORE:

PRESIDENT:

MX:lRE:

PRESIDENT:

MJORE:

PRESIDENT;

r-mRE ;

. . . (uninte l l igible) .

. . . or deposited before he gets sentencedl::ecause he wants to have it there and

kneM' it's there before . "

"Before he gets sentenced ."

"Before he gets sentenced ." A.rrl he

said . . .

After what happened .

. . . (uninte l l igible) .

He said tha t to you?

He said tha t to me . And I said , . . .

\'fuat did you say?

"John, fo r heaven's sake , . . .

This i s bl ackmail .

I said , "This i s blackrrail and whoever

you ta lk to , vlhatever you ' re doing, t e l l

'em - - don ' t touch i t . Uh, le t th i s guy.. .

Arrl tha t ' s exactly . . .

(Unintelligibl e ) .

Arrl tha t he reported to ffi2 .

Yeah.

That ' s what he said to me . He saidth i s is blackrrail , $40,000.(Uninte l l ig ible ) .

(Unintel l ig ible ) . If we do th i s , it's

gorma l::e goddamn d i f f icu l t , go on forever

and so for th . I - the ccr.1p:JUndingthing was SOf.1ething. Mitchell , Hi chel l .In m1y conversation I 've had it was

(uninte l l i g ib le ) .



APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 p .m .

PRESIDENT;

MXlRE:

Fine.

(Uninte l l ig ible ) .

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APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 p .m.

PRESIDENT:

11X)RE:

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

After tha t - - we 've got tha t - but , ah, there vlaS another meeting,

I tlrink, when Dean , ( tap2 noise)

Halderran, er , rrct in HaldB1'B.n' s

office an d Dean asked al:Dut tha t

rroney. (Tape noise) then, uh, uh,

asked Mitchell , huh?

No. I don ' t - - he never told meabout t lris . I don' t knON.

Dean - - you tl1ink he askErl Mitchellfor the rroney?

No, I don ' t . I to ld - - I WDuld

th ink ffi3.y not b2cause of the wayJohn cut it off with me, I(unintel l ig ible) had the feel ing(unintelligible)

Matter of f ac t , it was tha t

particuh-rr thing tha t real ly

triggerErl my whole - - I said ,"Jesus Chris t , I mean , these guys

are jn something here tha t wegotta knock off ," b2cause I knew -I said , "Christ , you ca'1 ' t b2 paying

blackffi3.il for years for tlris sor t ofthing. I t ' s r id iculous ." Ridiculous.

I said,"John, John i s - -

hew muchi s it gonna ccst to keep on paying

t lris rroney? One million dollars?"

Anyl:xxly knONS .• •

The price goes up.

It goes up an d the day comes \vhensometlring goes wrong an d t hey ' l l

sp i l l anyway. So j us t never ending,

never ending.

Thank god, v.B got in i t . ~ v e got

going there.

Uh, uh , but, but . . .

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,

"APRIL 1.9, 1973 - - 3: 45 to 5: 00 p

PRESIDENT :

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT :

MXlRE ;

PRESIDENT:

MJORE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT;

On the plus side , a t l eas t , wes tar ted dOll1g something .

Oh , l i s ten , I can ' t t e l l you about

the reaction of the (tape noise )I talked to about the fact . v-Je 'd

taken ahold, checked him out arrl

thli1gS l ike tha t - -

The only thing I'm concerned about

' is my , my kria.vrEdqe of that part icular

. thli1g . -

\vell ,

I didn t inform the U. S. Attorneyof it a t tl1at point , but. I I of

course I jus t had a l l fran there,an ex p:rrte thli1g fran Dean.

Ya.

But vle , we investigated it r ight

away .

Well , a l l I got fran tha t tha t D2aIlwas asked by someone. I do n t tl1ink

I knav by who (tape noise) who was

making tl1at d61a rd an d I have no

idea whe ther he ever acted on it

or not. I never . . .

Yeah, yeah .

. . . t l1at s tuf f and I gave him my speechan d tha t s a l l I knav .

Blackmail speech , arrl he gave tha t toI re .

Ya, ya . But , but ah, what , the ear l ie r

s i tuat ion, uh , t ha t they re fe r toa t uh • . .

M



APRIL 19, 1973 - 1:4'5 to 5:00 p ..m.

MX:lRE:

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT;

M'XlRE:

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

l v e l ~ it v.Drries me· :in th is sense tha t

m1 (wLincelligiblc) · n¥ f i r s t in tent ion

uh, uh•• .

Your recollect ions a u ~ not to ta l ly

clear on that .

That 's r ight . N01 tliey':ce no'c. No,. I v.Duldn' t Vv'ant anyboify to think

they VvBre. I do think that . . .New you can ' t , it Cccn:"t be said tha t

ei ther Halderran or Zb r ichman did

anything alxlUt i t . They roth, they

didn ' t raise th e none}'.

No. The whole questmn i s ,

They ~ B r e aware of it .

. . . i s whether there \'l?--S an y other,

ho;" VvBre they cr.vare of it arrl , aand

v.11at did th is , was Th'P- pattern?Because if this cernes; out(W1intel l igible) it rm17J never cover

any oUler direction

Right.

We've got Dean, who ITGiY t e s t i fy ,

I don ' t }me"" I assurrre he has tes t i f ied .

Sure?

Ya, he is supposed t o) ffive said tha t ,

get th i s , John EhrliclJman told TIE, tha t

re didn ' t rnke a move; throughout

th i s whole thing witJiout consulting

Haldeman an d Ehr licfman.

I t ' s Haldenan and Ehrlichman?

He says HaldEmill and Ehrlichrran. Ya.

No;" , Dean i s going to say he did alo t , uh , deeply invON.Erl .n ra isingfunds for the 9:)-calIa::l obstruction

of jus t ice i s the way'they've been

describing i t .

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APHIL 19 , 1973 - - 3 :45 to 5 :00 p .m.

PHESIDENT;

t-1JORE :

PHESIDENT;

HXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

Ya . (tape noise)

And it turns ru t that uh , VIith a l l the

good will in the v.orld, and uh

obstructions may go on , tha t case

could be made against ei ther Bob or

JOh!l . (Unintell igible) Ya. Think,

t:lUnk about tha. .

kll-;' then (wlintel l igible ) I 'm ,\Drried

about in tl18 case of any indictmentstl1e he l l with the L'ldi ct::rrents. I t

doesn ' t prove the God damned case.

Both of them have lawyers , an d they ' re

talking to ' an today .

Oh , nay, I' m glad because I don ' thave to , I , I might as well ta lk toUleir lawyers .

Ya .

Cause I. . .



APRIL 19, 1973 -- 3:45 to 5:00 p .m.

PRESIDENT:

MYJRE:

PRESIDENT:

uxmE:

PRESIDENT:

!lDJRE:

PRESIDENT:

I-roRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MJORE:

PRESIDENT:

l1X)RE:

PRESIDEN"T :

Right cmd do tha t . Particular ly on

th e La COsta th1.119. 'That I s a very

~ o r t a n t t111.11g, 1, uh, vlouldn t

want to suggest an y SUlX)rnahon of..£§nury, ro t on tllut one, I v . ~ u l d be

Vel 'Y darnfi hazy. I rrean J. t jus taoesn i t seem to me tlia ...

They didn ' t do anything.

That 's my point. If they did sarething,that ' s a he l l of a lo t di ffe rent thing.

uh , . . •

Irc.a..'1 discussed the problEm ru t --

well anyway, that ' s something else.

Well, I 've been (Unintelligible).

.I. dicln ' t , I didn ' t frankly, I neverheard of tlle I.o. Costa "b'1inQ I tl l

Way. I h3o.n' t hs:ard thaf Eefore

you talked to ne today. I' m gonna....Well, . . .

I'm gonna forget what you told me -

-Well, cer ta inly. Aril, I '!11 qonna forget .

Of course, that I told . . .

Right.

. . . (Unintel l igible) tha t , rroreover, uh •••

vJhat about th is 7 vJhat about. your

ccmnunication with Dean now. Be's

obviously put out a sta tsnent .

(Unintel l igible) . . .

. . . that he i s n ' t gonna be a scapegoat.Why don ' t you go back arrl ta lk to him?



APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3 : 45 - 5 :00 p.m.

!1X)RE :

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT :

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT :

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

Uh , . . .

Dangerous?

I don ' t think he '\o.-.::mld t a lk to Ire .

Well , uh , f i r s t of a l l ,

. . . (unintel l ig ible]

I got the subprena today (uninte l l igible) .Dean te l ls rre thaT_ on e our s ta f f memjY"'JS

....

>as (unintelligibl.c.) . l ~ e l l uh , Deankne,'l i t . He says - The agent told I re

he knew i t . So I went by, opened

th e door and said (uninte l l igible ) .

He said yes I heard . And the f i r s t

question I asked him i s , "who, \'lho ' dyou ta.lk to a t the· 'i:illite House about

th is . 1I He said , u11. - - I said OK ,

U r L L ~ t e l l i g i b l e ) an d I closed the door .

Uh , na'l . . .

I don ' t think there"s a thli1g we can

do on Dean . I th ink Dean i s . . .

Dean i s . . .

. . . out to save himself .

That 's r ight . That: statEn2I1t

Bu t I do n ' t kna'l , I don' t knOd what hecan do to save h.i.msel£ . I don ' t see

ha'l . Could you thirIk the U. S . Attorney

can actual ly afford to give him - - le t ' s]YJt it th is way, if they give him

immunity , John , uh, uh , it na y save

himself , ru t then he ' l l talk . IIav Q:ln

they give hiE1 iMnunity on eVE!-rythjnq?lIe s the guy t ha t - subornation of

perjury an d the other . lIe ' s got bt.Dte r r ib le counts , doesn 't he?

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APRIL 19, 1973 ._- 3:45 to 5 : 0 0 ~ .

MXJRE:

PRr:SIDENT :

r-IDRE:

PRESIDENT:

r-IDRE;

PRESIDTh'T :

l-roRE;

PRESIDENT;

MJORE;

PRESIDENT;

MX>RE;

PRESIDENT;

MX>RE;

Well, n.o.N being real i s t ic , he' s gonnanake th e case . . .

. . . tha t he ' l l nai l 'em.

. . . hat , tha t the fOyer arrl t l e J1B.jestyof the office and then Halde:nan, Ehrlid1f.la..l1(unintel l igible) .

Yeah. Does tha t get you off though?

Well,

I 've asked Petersen al:;out tha t today.

I t doesn ' t get you off l egally , but ifyou get - he' s gonna get . . .

He'l l get a lesser sentence.

\'Jel l , he's gonna go for - l e t ' s s ta r t

with jJnmunity on th e grolL'lds that th is

YOWlg J1B..l1 who's, took a job over hishead, was , got a good s tory on saneone,

something to be modest a b o u t / b e c a ~ e so

much a , a tool of these uh Ui.'l.

(unintel l igible) an d bM:l of th e rrostp::M'erful men in th e 'MJrld. . .

' ! 'hat's r ight .

. . . that , tha t , uh, he was le d dcw.n th is

path and, and ended up doing-thingspurely bec<J.use he fe l t he had no choice.

Ard they were not, they v-.Bre not

voluntary they were , uh, th i s , not tl18

Nuremberg Doctrine nON, uh, i t ' s a doctrineof sympathy for th is . . .

Right.

. . . fo r a YOW1g J1B.n an d so whi l e we don' t- lli1der the Nurcruberg Doctrine, he ' s ,

he 's guil ty - - morally he was going on

(W1intel l ig ib le ) . . .



APR1L 19 , 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 p .m.

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT ;

MJJHE:

PRESIDENT:

MYJRE;

PRESIDENT;

11X)RE ;

PRESIDENT;

MXlRE :

PRESIDENT:

M)()RE :

PRESIDENT:

MJORE;

You see the problen we got here,

you see . . .

(unintel l igible)

Th8 proble'.1 we got here is tha t , uh,

Dean will sa y , he 'll have Haldc:manan d Ehrlichrnan resign . OK. They ' re

relying on that , i f they fa ll on aSI'lord (unintel l ig ible ) . They pointi s , l e t ' s suppose you do have them

res ign, f ire 'em , you kI1CNl .

But, but . . .

I don 't mav as it cuts your l osses .

Is thtere , uh, a t reaty here? Uhf Ihad thought that Hike Mansfield , fo rinstance, or someone l ike tha t , adecent man - notody wants -

(Uningell igible) even an indictment ,i f , i f two (UnD,telligible with

tape noise) celebrated persons

(unintel l igibl e ) . . .

Yeah. That 's r ight .

. . . are indicted by a Grand Jury forsubornation , uh, uh , obstructionof jus t ice , whatever it may be--

\-Jhat's the second set? Obstruction?

Obstruct ionr

obstruction ."('tJmntelhgible ) . .lID3. we alreadyhave a , a mrrnpt At1-gT pW General,

Richard Kleindienst .

Right .

(Unintel l igible ) loss of l aw an d order(uninte l l igible)

Correct .

Then, uh, that jus t by i t se l f i s . . .

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APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 5:00 P.M.

PRESIDENT:

MX>RE:

PRESIDENT:

M.:XlRE:

PRESIDENT:

M.:XlRE:

PRESIDENT:

rtDJRE:

PRESIDENT:

M:XJRE:

PRESIDENT:

M:XJRE :

PRESIr::ENT:

11:X)RE :

'Ihat . ' s enough, r ight .

(Unintelligible ) .

Ho;v do you mean? v-Ihy Mansfield,

I ffi2cll1 • • •

Well, what I meant , was . . .

• . . basically , what we have here i s ti1e judge.

Well , "mat ' s - - le t ' s s ta r t o ff with a , uh, lead.The thought "lould be - - what I have tha t i f , that ,tha t the r esignat io n w-ere based on , "Yes, we le t ,

things happened , and we were a t the Gate and, uh ,w-e were •••

. • . (w1intelligible ) . We're innocent.

"We ' r e innocent .

"But, but we don' t intend - but we l e t things hap;:enwhich shoul dn ' t have happ::ned. We should have been

rrore a le r t . Uh, we fai led the President and thepubl ic ' s enti t led to eXp2ct - - and because of th eaccusations and so forth . The (uninte l l ig ible)p20ple

inhigh posts

.' lhere ' s no problem

of,uh ,

Well, I put Ulat to Petersen direct ly. I said, Isaid, "Let 's supjX)se th ey resign." I said, "D:Jestha t change the prosecution?" He sai.d, "No." Isuppose he ha s to sa y that.

You have to say i. t a t that point. NOiv , uh , ( tap2noise ) had - - get same support for kind of a , uh ,

of 'a (unintell igible with noise) dig in ( tap;!

noise) Mitchell .

I ti1ink he should cane forward and sa y he was r e-sjX)nsible for this .

Yeah. I f he , i f he did, uh , - - and there 'd be otherresignations from here and so forth . But , but , I think ,in tenus of the extreme , in the publ ic - - the , thepress and various othe r • •



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APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 P .

PRESIDENT:

M:XJRE:

PRESIDENT:

!mRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX>RE:

PRESIDENT:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

(Unintelligilile) •

Tha.t. Kind of, of , a'1 admission of - - not gui l ty- - but I think that could be resigned , too, for the

same reason. So I can be a l i t t le - - in on the - I , I , - - I hate to say to him le t him resign. I ,

I can do the sarre thing. I t ' s alr ight with me .Not, not to the sane degree. I 'm not on the i r level. v

But s t i l l tha t might sat isfy that vultures . Uh,an admission of, of - - whatever rat ional izat ions.

Yeah.

(Unintelligilile) carre in to, uh •••

Let me say, though who, would I have them resignin g (unintell igilile)

Vvell, nON, how could we •••

I mean how do work that and, uh , .• •

You've jus t nON, uh , - - what ClJ:xmt , what about 2..1,

object ive method. You have here a , a crediliili·tycase on the obstruction. I f in the part of this

package , the Attorney General \,'tm..ld say, "These

men have res igned . \-Je ' ve examined - - the countryneeds this - - I did th is , uh, they've admitted - uh, whatever th e vlOrd \\uuld be, uh , - - a i t ' ld have

to be (unintelligilile) drawn, that things have

happened. The tJ.:uth has cane O'elt . I &"1\ satisf ied

that to the, the , th e indictment (unintelligilile)did da da da offered the possili i l i y of a cri.rre be

yond a reasonuble doubt. Un, the Attorney General

has examined the entire situation; has agreed todismiss the Grand Jury. Uh, (tape noise) the case

i s a doubtful one a t best . Ana, uh , t ine to get on

to other things and get this case resolved."

Now if you had a l i t t l e syrrpathy of support franpeople l ike r-'ansfield and even HLmlPhrey, they might

want to submit . . .

Get it out of the way.

Get it out of the way and everybody would want tot ry not to . . .

"



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APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 P.!-l.

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlR8:

PRESIDENT:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

(Unintelligible)

. . . to touch the President. And by the way, na "here,no hew do I ru n into anybody who thinks it touches

you. But if you s ta r t (unintelligible) what are yo u

going to do . I think.

I think, it'll touch me in the sense of, say th eonly one - - Vlhere Dean, uh , Dean - - af te r al l , we had

these long conversations as, as the thing began tounfold r."e and part icularly when he told Ir e about Hu.'1t'sCem3nd.

Well.

That, tha t touches I re .

I should have, uh , (unintel l ig ible) expec - - hard

t iIre . You ha.d a reasonable - - I \ ,BS \oJatching thedate when I heard tr.at he was ta lking to you. l-,le

'\\'ere \t;ondering \l,nether yo u srould act . . .

Right.

. . . (Unintellig ible) I was meeting with Ziegler an d

Len a t Jorill Ehrlichrran 's - - and, uh , I fe l t you snouldmove pret ty quick. I was also afraid of a headlLl"\el ike today's headline. I though t you ought to get

on the f ront (unintelligible) which you did.

lye rroved about the r ight time, I think.

(Unintelligible ) sentencing derrand. l-,le could geti t , but we could use th i s l ine .

I suppose I should have \valked out, lcoking back,

a t the rrn-nent Dean told me about the forty, uh ,

the demand of Hunt, u.11.



]\PRIL 19, 1973 - - 3: 45 to 5: 00 p.m .

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M:::x:mE:

R F ~ I D E N T :

M:DRE:

PRESIDENT;

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

~ i l l R E :

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

No on e could have kno.vn he 'd want to

use it - - th i s . Do we knOJ vlhet.h=>..x

these defen:lants' conversations -

(Unintel l ig ib le , tap2 noise) asSl1lre

he has.

He shouldn't . That ' s going pret tyfar even for him . (Unintel l igible)statement. Are we gett ing an y , any

infonnation as to what ' s going on

over there? ~ Y h a t - Kleindienstor anybcxly?

Oh. Petersen taJJes to we, but I don' tkna." how much he levels .

(Tap2 noise) The question i s of what

Dean ha s said . (Unintel l igible) effecof, l e t ' s say, tl1e La Costa problem

or lor; uhf you have no problem .aJ::outLa Costa. (Uninte l l igible) .

He was going to do the reporting

on i t .

Oh, i f you hadn 't connected your thoughts

on what to do on tills subject, you .And didn ' t you - I rEmernl.x?r you went

up (unintel l igible) Thursday. I don ' t

kno.v.

Yeah.

You w=nt out on the Sequoia. I thinkit was about 9: 30 an d I saw the Secret

Service men standing, you were abouthere "(unintel l igible) tills i s something

tha t - -But tl1at (unintelligible)

(Uninte l l igible)

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APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 p.m .

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

th is i s a t l east a week, Th o

....eeks af ter Dean told me atout the40,000/ atout the Hunt thing. (Tare

noise) I , but I , must say, in that

p:=ricx:i • .•

(Unintel l igible) Is tha t the 21st?

That 's

. . . in tha t p2 r cr l , I was urrlertaking,

then an invest igat ion

Sure, sure . Arrl, uh, it was an

unsuppor-tec1 statEment tha t Dean I1B.de

tha t t:riggerErl YO'.l into action. Seeyour stats::ent said that , "Effec t ive

March 2ls t , I Wli:3.ertcok a n6-J

intensive invesb.9at ion." And, mygosh, I , I , knod, no , I don ' t think

yeu' 11 have an y problem. NON I I th ink

- I have a problem.. Uh, if I , uh

(unint e l l ig ible ) i f he describes tha t

conversation with me - of course,

I should have gone to Elrrlichman orHaldanan an d said these fel las aret rying to -

Well , you did t:.l'E r ight thing th=re, Ithink. Yoor l ine there i s you said

'it was black!1B.il an'l, uh (tape noise)agreed an d , uh t . ~ e y , th=n, have, you

urrler - - I guess you could say you

understand tha t they rrade tha t

(unint e l l ig ible ) to the Presidentan d the President to ta l ly agreErl.

Arrl that ' s what (unintel l igible with

tape noise). I thought it Vlas a road

you couldn' t go do..Jll. You jus t

coulm1't keep kidding oorselves on

this thing. I didn 't even - I franklydidn ' t mo.·, what t . h ~ Cbr; s t had tePn

. e : y i n ~ or not . I t ' s th e f i r s t time Ireal l 1m;:,! they ,,"ere wYi n<;;l off . I

r ea l lkd idn ' tmaY

i t T didn ' t}.:no..J u t the 350 job.

5 8 ~



APRIL 19 , 1973 -- 3 : 45 to 5 :00 p .m.

M:X)RE;

PRESIDENT;

M:DRE;

PRESIDENT;

M:DRE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE;

PRESIDENT:

Yeah. 1. . .

Haldeman ha s been pret ty - - we never - -

(Unintel l ig ib le )

. . . a l l of the p::!ople have been pr- -

they don ' t b o L ~ e r - - he l l I was - - ending

a war and doing a fe.v other thir,gs .

I thi..'1k e"ve..ry1:x:rly in the country bavs

tha t an d everybody, uh, uh, the , the

(unintel l ig ible with tape noise) they

use about the ( eman Hal l but n;y God

they did (unintelligible) for yo u and

t l ~ y did protect you against th es i tuat ion and they took - - tl1ey le t

things happen and I , I could un::lerstand

it . I was r ight in tI;€ , in the ::;K::riphery.I bad nothing , uh , (lmintel l ig i l i le with

tape noise) . You had a t ough si tuat ion

and it was to o bad . But it didc1 ' t getto you and I don 't think anyJ:x:x:!y can

think . . .

Thank God. I didn 't kno;". Nav , I \Vasjus t thinking i f somelxx:1y had told me

about th is thing before , I tl1in:" IvlOuld have said , "Why you stupid

bastards, what th e hel l are you buggin g

th e National Carvni.ttee for?" It

probably, probably wouldn 't have occurred

to I re (unintell igible ) . I had , I "ras

the ITDst , I think I was t Ie nnst amazedperson of a l l a t the damne::l. thi.!:'9 . I ,I was floored. I thought these guys

must be crazy . I t 's a scre.vy

(uninte l l ig ib le wi tl1 tape noise) believein i t .

Fo r a l ong tirte you thought it \,.'as

a (uninte l l igible) .

You knaN \Vhat I Ll)ougbt? I oouldn ' t

believe John I1itcbell had done it . Ithought it viaS the nuts l ike LiC:5.y

dom' the whol e danm thing. And he

ba d tl1e ITDney . • .



}lPRIL 19, 1973 -: - 3 . . ~ to 5 : 0 0 p .

M'X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE :

PRESIDENT:

M)()RE:

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT :

1>IDRE:

PRESIDENT ;

MX)RE;

PRESIDil,i"'r:

Yeah .

" ... but exceEriing- t l:e-ir authority.'.that ' s what I thoug:i:r.t.. Dick .

Exactly what I tha.JtY."rt.

Then \..men you cane ID to th e o..lsinessof the , uh , of , ul'Il,. - the only thingtha t troubles rre af:out the whole

gcddarnn thing i s t'J)e obstruction thing .Arrl the obstructior..t thing, I don ' t kno.·,tha t i t ' s ha d a l l tba t much effec t .

I r.'I2an, i t ' s a l l comin.g out .

~ v e l l I do think f1:re thin; we have to"(tape DOlse) jihet)':'ir there is anY

other peripheral t ' l T i ' ~ ~ ~ t b a ~ \ · n ~ d t tape nOlse) stiCk iilDd::mJ, $: UiL-by anyone hi Qb ill? i!!l. the l ' ihi e Houseand spcifical ly Haldanan and Ehrlichman .

On obstJ.:uction. ~ ' ; J . a s e th is v..rent on allsummer and went on ' a l l fa l l and

Did it?""-

Oh, yeah . The f i r s t day , I mean, uh ,these tel lavs I t i l l ~ , ,e t e art es eM ( theyd idn ' t have any l a:"'yers . Lawyers

up . They never had a ITOney

-probl Em. -Bu t , t ha t ' s , uh,

Uh, •••

. . . that ' s , tha t ' s f a i r enough . Is thereanything wrong with that?

\'lel l , 1. ••

(;t:..t.ting lawyers fo r defendants .

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APRIL 19, 1973 3:45 to 5:00 p .m..

MXlRE: ( i < ~ : r r I t-l-jink these i l ~ r e not our -\ ''8 : c3.j SONne:! ther.l . 'l,Ti§; \-Jere , uh,

tolI tztling a QptOlJT wre ultra

vires . 'l'hey were, uh, . ' ,'

PRESIDENT ; well ! I mean , in the :. k111';:"",lOOge that it

was b2ing done .

M.XlRE: Well, l ike what .

PRESIDENT:

PRESIDENT ;

PRESIDENT:

vroRE ;

PRESIDENT;

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT;

MXlRE:

...

I rrean doing i t i s otIC? ii:hjng.

NoN I said - Well , le t s say k n o . " ' l ~ e 1t 1S a reCOIN wi,! un. for anvtJCijy

to obstruct jus t ice " to give . . .

y!el l , I urrlerstand , . . .

• •• and. the r eason •. or

To obstruct ius t ice hr Qae thing. But

g et t ing ther:1 attorneys b2fore they were

C01W1ct@ , I doh t , 1. cFurlk tha t ' sanotl1er thing , Siettinq the i r at torney::; ,

taking care of the i r SllPP01:t (unintel l ig ible)

payments

mg , you ve you

Yeah, about the payments,.

. . . payment s , uh and uh and. tl-e j ) ] d ~ e . . "Q!ll1g. I Clan i t Eelieveo he dido' t IsnCllwhere it was cx:ming fran r ight away.

All r ight . (Unintelligibl e )

There \lias ! I think! nppey l ',Pj n9 , llh [ TassUTIi2 mcney was l:eing'p ca sh \'las b2inq (

1 @if-t'¥ tf ¥ S dqra:>ment of the~ 0 0 l i r w l l i l n 9 i b l e but that s I,'hatI'm assuming evervt.ody else assu:mes

i1: . It il a QllPst j on \ ~ f [ Of kn ml ] edge c

and , and kno.vlOOge artl. and Haldem:m or



APRIL 19 , 1973 - - 3':4 to 5 : 0rr p.rn.

MX>RE

(cont ' d ) :

PRESIDENT:

MX>RE :

PRESIDENT :

MX>RE :

Ehrlicl1'l1aJ1 or 11oore' orr. that , u.'1 , uh ,3tho'Jt acfj on d ' s J;ln+Vlhlv l.Llegal

except for (tape n o i i . s e ) An l l..lh ... I

J , I don ' t think tl1is i. s ( uh,(wunte . l i ig ible) foe h.lm t'J. ' ...on;yaJ::out th i s a t l eas t.,. b m i n t E ~ l i g i b l ea t l eas t but , uh, rerG ' .i t. .i s _ Hi.:>;,.

tJ.1is notion of a , of. a: t re;at-' r • Ce.ttb2 , get tl1e wbo) e th i l1g c;;;ye '· . ro "r it ,

it \'.1:)n ' t caney;; '·em. r:e:-e s but r.Uh , tih , revjekL;; h i s oobt . . \Jh ,

th is thing ' s before tl1a y,;:!rld ariL;

llh...

- kno.v•

. . . arrJ , uh , I think mere':s: . .

There are many tha t ar:e" tr,<1.t a re jus t

destroyed .

Laugh s .

Hell , there are sore, rut I , but: rthink there are enough here, foss .ibl yb At l east \'}2 've got. to g ive it

same more thought , uh, ID , to \\Drk outa pretty , a pret ty rough solution from

tl1e stand point of tr.e exec.."U t.ive branch ,but one that , uh , ex cl udes you EX2L'sCl.'1ally ,one tl1at , uh , causes E!TIbarrasS::lent, not

so much for th e evi l s of Waterga te , ru t

ineptitude an:l tha t , uh r I. I J::e:t it ' sa l ong shot , but , but uh , r 1r,OUld,_ I

\\Duld hate to se e , uh, th is (tal)2. noise )ou r \vay and in fac t I kru:w t l-:2Y don ' tknaN vmetho--r th e (unintell igible ) on

obstruction or not . Now it s iTIpossibl e

to prove it a l l . Nav that sr.oold be

proven , but Frill La Rue a t t l1e dark of

night i sn 't go ing to the vi'hite House ,it ' s uh (unintelligible ) . Every l i t t l e

tl1iJ1g tha t has ha d . . .



APRIL 19, 1973 - 3:4.5 to 5:00 p .m.

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT;

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE;

PRESIDENT:

r-roRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE;

Trouble too on La. Rue . You've gotDean an d Magruder , h ,D people who are

no.v proving to be ra ther faci le l i a r s .

So I think Lean's lying too, so shi t .

He was real ly rurming th e sho.v.

Yeah.

You kno.v that .

Yeah.

At l eas t , I told hUn tha t "lhen we cane inhere. "John, you 've carried a hel l of aload, you knaN, on th is thing," vlhich i s

t rue . Bu t , uh, when I referrEd to load,I didn ' t , I had no, didn ' t kno.'l what,

viha the load "''as.

I ]mo.".

I thought \\ B It.12re jus t keeping everything

together , han.:1 l ing Ziegler and a l l tha t

kind of thing.

Hn, hrrrrn, \...e certaiJ11y, "'12 real ly, wecan ' t jus t le t go of that thin g , tha t

l ine. \\1e real ly, I sure wish I knew

what he 's been saying, recause th is ,"' B probably can embellish and produce

a l l kinds of things. Approval for th i s

or tha t act ion.

Yep.

Dates tha t coincide, diary entries .

I don ' t rel ieve , I don ' t knO.'l, but ah,

about Dean , but I don' t re l ieve it

v.ould serve his in teres ts to go so fa ras to attack the President.

1.\10. I think that , uh •••

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APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 P.M.

PRESIDENT:

.MXJRE:

PRESIDENT:

tlillRE:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)PE:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

P R E S I D R

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M'X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

I don ' t }mow how he feels about I r e .

I , I

I , I think I 've been , relat ive to him, oonsi-rer ing, you knCM, that he . • .

He, He - -

. • . he wants to fire Haldeman and Ehrlicl1m2Il I

understand . . •

Yeah, yeah.

•• • sothat

hegoes

down witb them.

Yeah.

But uh , what do you people think? Johrmy Ostrem

(phonetic) I hCM does he feel about his relat ion-ship \'lith the President, D2an?

(Unintell igible) \vell, invincible, or as uh,

principled as people l ike Len Garment•• .

Yeah

••• or J"ohn or Bob or sane of the res of them.

Yeah.

I , I think - - John's a strm1ge fellow, I don' tknO\" much about him. You knOV! he \,'ent to three

oolleges, uh , I don' t know what that has . . .

Yeah.

Had that l i t t l e matter in his law firm •• .

Yeah.

••• Uh •••

Yeah.



APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 tD 5:00 P.M.

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PnESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M:X)RE:

PRESIDENT:

M:DRE:

PRESIDENT:

I don' t knaw how much principle he has.

Yeah.

If it i s t rue . • .

Then he might attack the President.

Well, I would \\'Orry aoout that . I , I - - have

a feeling he wil l attack anybody. . .

Yeah.

• . . and sa y anything, a t th is point for-yard, i f it

sui ts his purpose . (Unintelligible with tapenoise) I was, \'lel l , we ',,'ere friends I would say,

Jolm, \ 'le ' re going to corre out of th i s , jus t keep

your head and you're a lawyer and they ' re not going

to go af te r you.

You kept saying that to him?

Sure, but, but during the las t , las t \veek orten days he \vas worried about i t .

\\'hen, when did you l a s t see him?

I saw him, uh, Tuesday afternoon about tv:enty

minutes af te r I got that subpoena about 4; Priorto that . , ,

Before that when?

Prior to tha t , uh , Thursday, th e week before.

The l a s t tiJre I saw him (unintelligible) he \vass i t t ing there studying those yellow' pages of in dictJnent, the l i s t of those to be indicted.(Uninte l l igible) He said no . I 've got bet ter

sources, bet ter (unintel l ig ible) information outof that U.S. Attorney's office than anyoody. I ',ve

got a case made . I 've got a case made ~ g a i n s t Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Colson (unintelligible) \\·ith

a question mark (unintelligible) a l l the vlay dOiVIlthe l ine and uh , I don 't kno.v, I suppose, do you

think I could (unintelligible) I bnagine seeing

M:igruc'Er ge t ready and go down and uh, buy what he

can in the \vay of imnunity but, uh , I don' t knaw.



APRIL 19, 1973 - - 3:45 to 5:00 P.M.

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

l-'DJRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

PRESIDENT:

H,'X>RE:

PRESIDTh"'T :

!IDRE:

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE :

PRESIDENT:

MX)RE:

~ V h a t ' s your view? Should I suggest to Petersen

to give him imrnunit..-y, kick the heel out of th ePresident. Let 's , I understand it i sn ' t rre personally. I t ' s the off ice we've got to protect .

Now, tha t ' s r ight .

Yeah.

But i t ' s the office. But, but I , I understand

(unintelligible) I would l ike a l i t t l e tirre to think,and th is sounds stupid . .

(Unintelligible)

I'm, I 'm a l i t t l e conoerned about Petersen'srela ionship.

Yeah. You think he was feeding Dean--

Yes.

I knO'tl, I saw - -

You sa,,! what happmed to Pat Gray and I , I - -

Pat Gray - -

Well, Pat Gray got in trouble for being too closeto Dean, to o subservient in giving him information

an d so forth. Uh , - -

So what do you mean? Petersen (unintelligible)

Well, I'm jus t wondering whether Petersen's theone to make this decision? Uh, uh , or what hisrole i s , uh , I 'm afraid tha t Dean may carre in. Iwish we could find out what Dean had said , cause,

I think, he may sa y that a l l during tJ1e t r i a l and

during the Grand Jury investigation, t-lr. Petersenwas te l l ing people ",hat was going on in tha tGrand Jury room. (tape noise) I t certainly under

mines confidenoe. (tafe noise) The Criminal Divi

sion i s talking (unintelligible) pros;:x=ctivedefendants if they t ry Ehrlichrnan as it turns out.I t ' s an evi l si tuat ion with th e Senate.



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Think about i t , think about it w i ~ ~ u t te l l inganyJ::ody in here about the situatio.'1, whether o r

not maybe under the circun.stances, [)o--an ought

to get off .

I (uninte l l ig ib le) canpletely. Of oourse, i t ' snot r ight , but M='ve got to save the Presidency.

We've got to save i t .

That's r ight .

And, rrorally, I would sa y th is , I , make you feela b i t better . What happened \vas a s i l ly God

damned burglary exercise to , to / to get star ted onsane e go (unintel l ig ible) think n"-ldl about it

(unintell igible) . As you said, ~ l 1 e oover-up i s

worse than the deed.

Right.

And no one had an evi l in tent , did they? Theysudden ly had a si tuat ion . . .

They were : b : y ~ g to help, for Christ ' s sake.

There should not be this , uh , th is budge t should

not have been los t , t-icG::weD1 should not have touched

this, sane d.amn fools broke into the - -

That's r ight .

So you oould rat ional ize to whatever, that issueabout charging the Presidency. Hy God. So,

zrorally, i sn ' t i t , people \'ien t r i c;::t along \vith i t ,I can see i t , I 've seen the progress ion myself, agradual - - take on.e step af ter a n o ~ ' 1 e r so that

even Dean, uh, uh , that hardened criminal, (unin

te l l ig ible) he \vas only a young I ra ' l , and, uh • .•

No, no .

Magruder's not a criminal.

Magru--

Mitchell 's not a cr iminal . I think tha t i t ' s sick.



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PRESIDENT:

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PRESIDENT:

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PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

MOORE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlPE:

PRESIDENT:

MXlRE:

PRESIDENT:

MOORE:

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LaRue.

I think that guy Mitchell. . .

(Unintelligible)

I think (unintelligible)

Well,

(Uninte l l ig ible)

Anyway, th is i s helpful. Tnink about the imnuni ty.

(unintel l igible) and le t me know t 01l1Orl"OW.

I wil l .

Alright .

I , I , I , I ' d l ike to know, uh , would you thinJ<.about Petersen, I 'd l ike to knOI'" more about w!1ether r.

I don' t 'vdIlt to see an ar t ic le tha t Petersen I<TaS uh,

\<laS collaborating with D2c..'1 (unintelligible) c a l l c ~ in here on Sunday, and nc)\\' Kleindienst says thathe disqualif ied himself, a'1d that the to p prosecutorturns out to be (unintel l ic ible) here th is youngman (unintelligible) Mr. D2=-n it jus t i s one of

those new ele:rrents that adOs to the colorationqUite seriously.

Supp:>se you say if you give him imnunity and they'dsa y you're hying to buy him off .

And do I want a, sor t of, to s i t down with th is and

think it crlX"ough, because \·;2 don' t look . . . First ly ,Magruder has done nothing tbat stops you, JO M

Mitchell, and JoM Mitchell, I' m afraid, i s sorre-

thing, maybe not, but the Presidency, Dean i s thekey.

And the man who made the re?Ort was (unintel l igibl e) .-hat's r ight . It waS not "rri ttep bllt it waS anoral rep:>rt. Ziegler would ask before every press



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PRESIDEN'r:

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MX)RE:

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in th e vmte HQpe1 think it ;"'as t rue .o struct1.on.- -

o, the whole thing with obstruction. Well, 00,

I would l ike to -- .

Okay, boy.

'H,e report cume back maybe on , uhf I'll jus t mull

this - -

Tanorrow about noon, what about?

Noon tarorro,'l i s fine.

Back eleven 0 ' clock so I ' 11 , I ' 11 - -

I , I , I ' l l be there on (w1intelligible).

Yes.

I'll stand by .

'!hank you.

Bye.

Thank you.

(President ocughs, background noise)

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