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eah; <ood point; 1 have the sae =uestion5 soe>od can eplain it?

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6hen fishin4 D >ait5 if ou are old or not a >i4 hitter a slower action rod is easier to load and can>e cast further. ou let the rod do the wor2.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &( of %$(/)*/(

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1 not sure that 1 would totall a4ree with ou when ou sa ost surfcasters use fast rods.+here are plent of oderate or slow action rods on the ar2et that a lot of people use. Onesituation ou a want a slower rod would >e when throwin4 eels... at least thats what 1 would

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Fast action rods are capa>le of transittin4 ener4 ore efficientl when in the ri4ht hands andsituation. Faster action rods also need ore ener4 to 4et the aiu distance.<us that throw etal lips and eels would li2el >enefit fro a ore oderate action rod. ,lsothose who fish on 8etties5 perch on roc2s5 wade deep A situations that restrict our a>ilit to drivepower fro our le4s or step forwardH would also >enefit fro a ore oderate action rod>ecause the cast well with inial effort A for ost peopleH.R I Custos and C+S 0ro StaffRepl 7uote 3ulti







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Fast action rods are capa>le of transittin4 ener4 ore efficientl when in the ri4ht hands andsituation. Faster action rods also need ore ener4 to 4et the aiu distance.

<us that throw etal lips and eels would li2el >enefit fro a ore oderate action rod. ,lsothose who fish on 8etties5perch on roc2s5 wade deep A situations that restrict our a>ilit to drivepower fro our le4s or step forwardH would also >enefit fro a ore oderate action rod>ecause the cast well with inial effort A for ost peopleH.

6O6 3r Ca2es5 ou said that perfectl ......9O9 Seriousl5 what ohnn said is true as is what Jillalso stated... <o to a deo and tr the for ourself to see what fits ou >est...

1f ou thin2 a fast action rod controls fish >etter tr that one out on a da when ou have $ pound

>lues at the end of our cast for a few hrs. 1 have seen fast action rods a2e 4rown en cr ...lol> the end of a lon4 session. Ree>er5 ou are onl fi4htin4 that fish with the top )$L of therod...

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+here are uses for >oth. Eels5 >ait5 etcN a fast action rod i4ht not >e the >est choice - the forceneeded to load the rod is pro>a>l 4reater than the dura>ilit of the eel's head... 0lu4s that tend totu>le in fli4ht i4ht also >enefit fro a slower action rod Aor slowin4 down while usin4 a fastrodH. 1f ou're a2in4 hero casts with a fast rod and a etal lip that ener4 is 4oin4 to the lure andthe lure i4ht not handle it well. Older an4lers or those with in8uries issues i4ht feel li2e theprefer a softer action rod since it will re=uire less ener4 to load the >ut that coes at decreased

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<reat inforation so far in this thread.

,dditionall Rods that fle further down the >lan2 when loaded up5 aid in 2eepin4 hoo2s pinnedand preventin4 >rea2 offs fro sur4in4 fish.

Slower rods are uch >etter/ efficient fish fi4htin4 tools.

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of fisheran usin4 >raid. Other than a few rods fro shiano and lai4las. +here reall isn'tuch to choose fro in a factor offerin4. Especiall in the %-' -( oG ran4e

+he >est ni4hts 1 found to >e the hottestN if ou 4ot swap ass its 4o tie

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<reat inforation so far in this thread.

,dditionall Rods that fle further down the >lan2 when loaded up5 aid in 2eepin4 hoo2s pinned

and preventin4 >rea2 offs fro sur4in4 fish.

Slower rods are uch >etter/ efficient fish fi4htin4 tools.

1 don't reall understand wh so an of the newer rods are so stiff....especiall with the aountof fisheran usin4 >raid. Other than a few rods fro shiano and lai4las. +here reall isn'tuch to choose fro in a factor offerin4. Especiall in the %-' -( oG ran4e





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1 don't thin2 ou can a2e 4eneraliGations li2e this. +he aount of rod fle has nothin4 to do with2eep a sur4in4 fish on5 the reel's dra4 does. ou can have a id fle tpe rod >ut its not 4oin4 todo a dan thin4 if the dra4 is cran2ed down. ,lso5 if that rod is under a full load there won't >e an4ive left in it re4ardless of dra4 settin4. 1deall5 ou want >oth to wor2 to4ether here. , rod andreel that's properl atched for the 8o>.

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1've >uilt a nu>er of surf rods and don't thin2 an of the is anwhere near fast5 even thou4hthe a >e descri>ed as such. 1f the were reall fast ou would need to >unch soe runnersnear the tip to 4et reasona>le an4les >etween the runners.

,on4 rods5 however5 the ones with the sallest tip diaeter are easiest to cast and retrievefor lon4 periods of tie. +he still aren't fast > an eans >ut the >alance nicel and don't leadto wrist and >ac2 fati4ue.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &" of %$(/)*/(






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1 don't thin2 ou can a2e 4eneraliGations li2e this. +he aount of rod fle has nothin4 to do with2eep a sur4in4 fish on5 the reel's dra4 does. ou can have a id fle tpe rod >ut its not 4oin4 todo a dan thin4 if the dra4 is cran2ed down. ,lso5 if that rod is under a full load there won't >e an4ive left in it re4ardless of dra4 settin4. 1deall5 ou want >oth to wor2 to4ether here. , rod and

reel that's properl atched for the 8o>.

Sae thin4 for a 'slower' rod >ein4 a >etter fi4htin4 tool. , rod is a lever5 its len4th will have a4reater ipact on its efficienc as a tool.

So ou're sain4 i can point the rod directl at a fish so the rod doesn't >end at all...and there will>e the sae li2elhood of hoo2s pullin or line >rea2in4 as if i fou4ht it with the rod at a ($ de4reean4le. Con......Softer rods 2eep fish pinned and protect line fro >rea2in4 >etter than stiff rods.Especiall with >raid. Especiall when throwin4 plu4s........1t a>solutel can >e a 4eneraliGation.

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1 li2e faster actions for 8i44in4 and slower actions for plu44in4. Fast action 2eeps ou in >ettercontact with the 8i4 and provides a >etter hoo2set especiall when down deep. Softer action tendsto save shoulder on a lon4 da5 prevents the dreaded etal lip tu>lin4s5 and a2es a pencildance far ore effectivel.

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i li2e a ediu heav rod5 with fast action.Repl 7uote 3ulti

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1 don't 2now if stiff is the >est description. 6ith an of the newer rods and laouts ou will findan rods have a >etter recover rate. 1t is a firer feel >ut not stiff. Stiff descri>es a rod that doesnot >end easil and usuall has poor sensitiv. 6ith a lot of the newer rods out there ou can finda rod with the >ac2>one to throw DoG's et will load and cast well with 8ust an ounce. +he feel isdifferent and not alwas in a friendl tpe of wa et the capa>ilities and perforance are uch>etter in soe of the newer rods out there.

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6hat does fast action ean?Fast action rods >end ostl in the top /" or so of the rod. Usuall not uch near the >otto /)>ut it stores it's ener4 there. 1 >elieve the ter fast coes fro how lon4 it ta2es to return to thenuetural state strai4ht after its ener4 is released. ,t least that's how it was eplained to e.R I Custos and C+S 0ro StaffRepl 7uote 3ultipost &! of %$(/)*/(

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1t is a fact that there is a 2ind of a >uGG/fashion in an4lin4 press and >rands re4ardin4 the erit offaster and faster action tip rods. 1' not sure faster is alwas >etter5 it's not that siple..

, fast rod will transit ore direct otion to an artificial lure that needs twitchin45 it will alsoena>le a sharper hoo2 set on the stri2e prior to >endin45 on the other hand5 a slow rod will provideore elasticit durin4 the fi4ht which can >e an advanta4e a4ainst openin4 the hoo25 tearin4 fleshor 2eepin4 contact on a head sha2e while usin4 >ar>less hoo2s. +he analo4 is soehowcopara>le to usin4 >raid and nlon.

+here are situations where ou need the rod to >e stiff durin4 the fi4ht5 li2e when ou ust turnthe fish fro headin4 to o>stacles with a ti4ht dra45 a slow rod in this case is not reall an asset.

6hen fishin4 with natural soft or live >ait5 1 prefer a slow rod that will allow loadin4 4raduall andcastin4 soothl without daa4in4 the >ait.

, >roo stic2 that doesn't fle is not >etter than a spa4hetti with no >one5 while castin4 ou needsoe fleion that will >e stored and then released to add speed to the final acceleration5 what'sost iportant in view is the atchin4 >etween lure wei4ht and true rod ratin4.

6eather slow or fast5 >oth ri4idit and fleion are needed5 which to prioritiGe is >ased on the tpeof fishin4 and sensations one is loo2in4 for5 up to the user to find the sweet spot and capitaliGe onthe tool in hand.

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Iere's what 1' understandin4:

Slow: stiffFast: flei>le

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Slower actioned rods are a>solutel >etter tools for fi4htin4 and controllin4 fish. Iere's wh:

a slower rod5 one that flees well into the >utt section5 lets ou 2eep pressure on a fish that'sthrashin4 around or a2in4 a>rupt chan4es in its direction. +he lar4er de4ree of fle allows the

rod to a>sor> =uic2 releases of tension that would leave ou with slac2 line when usin4 a fasterrod. 1t is uch harder for a fish to throw a hoo2 that's attached to a slow or oderate action rod.

the lar4er aount of fle also a>sor>s soe of the shoc2 of a =uic2 run or head sha2e instead oftransferrin4 it directl to the reel5 whose dra4 has to overcoe a =uic2 oent of inertia >eforereleasin4 an line. 6ith the rod ta2in4 soe of that shoc2 it 4ives the dra4 tie to en4a4e and canprotect our line fro a sudden snap. a soft rod is li2e a >i4 ru>>er >and >etween ou and the fish.

its also easier to land fish with a softer rod5 not onl for the reasons entioned a>ove which are

dou>l iportant when a fish is at our feet5 >ut >ecause ou can ore safel hi4h-stic2 to 4et afish within arTs reach. a fast action rod can force ou to either horri>l hi4h stic2 and ris2in4>rea2in4 it or have to put the rod down to 4et the fish close enou4h to 4ra>.

Finall5 when a soft rod flees it decreases the effective len4th of the lever ou're eploin45 orrather the lever the fish is eploin45 4ivin4 ou a >etter echanical advanta4e5 or5 rather5 asaller echanical disadvanta4e. , lon45 stiff rod wor2s a4ainst ou and helps the fish.

For what itTs worth5 1 thin2 a lot of people would appreciate softer rods and how well the fi4ht fishif the learned how to fi4ht fish ore effectivel to >e4in with. !%L of the people 1 see reelin4 in a>ass or a >lue fro the >each is actin4 li2e the're on one of the !*%'s >ass fishin4 shows5 trin4to il2 the fi4ht for all the caera tie itTs worth. 3ost of us are usin4 4ear that could literall pulla striper's spine out of its >od if we wanted to5 et people >a> fish li2e the're usin4 )& testtippets instead of $%& leaders. +he ore tie ou ta2e to 4et a fish in the >etter the chance itthrows the hoo2s5 ru>s ou off on the >otto5 our 2nots fail5 or the hoo2 opens up a nice >i4 holeand slides ri4ht on out. 0ull on the dan thin45 hard. our line won't >rea2 and the hoo2 won't pullif itTs a 4ood set and our dra4 is appropriatel ti4ht. +he rod is supposed to fle5 and the ore itdoes the ore its helpin4 ou5 so pull hard enou4h to 4et a nice deep >end in it.

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Iere's what 1' understandin4:

Slow: stiffFast: flei>le

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either can >e stiff or flei>le. the difference is in how/where the fle. a fast rod flees in 8ust thetip section5 a slow rod flees all the wa down to the >utt section.


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So ou're sain4 i can point the rod directl at a fish so the rod doesn't >end at all...and there will>e the sae li2elhood of hoo2s pullin or line >rea2in4 as if i fou4ht it with the rod at a ($ de4reean4le. Con......Softer rods 2eep fish pinned and protect line fro >rea2in4 >etter than stiff rods.Especiall with >raid. Especiall when throwin4 plu4s........1t a>solutel can >e a 4eneraliGation.

, slower action rod will protect li4ht at hi4her dra4 settin4s. Sipl >ecause it will act as a >ettershoc2 a>sor>er

Ko it doesn't. Usin4 our eaple ou are assuin4 there is power reainin4 in the rod5 ie it actsli2e a shoc2 a>sor>er that iplies that the rod is not under full load.

,ssue a fish is capa>le of enou4h force to full load a rod and there's a loc2ed down dra4 as well. ,ssue two rods of e=ual power5 one is fast and one is slow >ut the are 4oin4 to >rea2under the sae aount of force. +he slower rod isn't 4oin4 to do anthin4 for ou at all in thatsituation. ,s soon as it reaches it's aiu capacit soethin4's 4oin4 to 4ive. Kow if ou wantto have a rod that can eceed the aiu aount of epected force that it's li2el to face that's adifferent stor5 there will >e soethin4 left in 'reserve' >ut it's action doesn't atter.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &)( of %$(/)*/(

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1 li2e faster actions for 8i44in4 and slower actions for plu44in4. Fast action 2eeps ou in >ettercontact with the 8i4 and provides a >etter hoo2set especiall when down deep. Softer action tendsto save shoulder on a lon4 da5 prevents the dreaded etal lip tu>lin4s5 and a2es a pencildance far ore effectivel.

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1 thin2 callin4 a fishin4 rod a lever is a >it isleadin4. 1t is a sprin4. 1t is desi4ned to store andrelease force on deand.

+o descri>e actions5 thin2 of the leaf sprin4s on the suspension of a truc2. ou have one thatarches >ac2 all the wa to the frae5 then several that are flat and open. +he one with the archsipl stores ener4. Each one >eond it is desi4ned to receive and release pro4ressivel oreforce thou4h a sprin4 with a foot. +he inner ones are desi4ned to store power and release itslowl. +he outer ones store power and release it =uic2l. , oderate rod rese>les the innersprin4 with a saller foot and lon4er sprin4 and a fast rod acts li2e an outer sprin4- ore footthan sprin4.

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Ko it doesn't. Usin4 our eaple ou are assuin4 there is power reainin4 in the rod5 ie it actsli2e a shoc2 a>sor>er that iplies that the rod is not under full load.

,ssue a fish is capa>le of enou4h force to full load a rod and there's a loc2ed down dra4 as

well. ,ssue two rods of e=ual power5 one is fast and one is slow >ut the are 4oin4 to >rea2under the sae aount of force. +he slower rod isn't 4oin4 to do anthin4 for ou at all in thatsituation. ,s soon as it reaches it's aiu capacit soethin4's 4oin4 to 4ive. Kow if ou wantto have a rod that can eceed the aiu aount of epected force that it's li2el to face that's adifferent stor5 there will >e soethin4 left in 'reserve' >ut it's action doesn't atter.

1 understand the point that ou are trin4 to a2e. Jut 1 can't a4ree with it. 6e >oth fish =uite a >it.6e >oth are 2nowled4ea>le. 1'll defer to EJ's post....as that's the una>rid4ed version of one of thepoints i was a2in4.

Jut...if e and the fish didn't ove. ,nd i 4raduall pulled. 1f the force re=uired to ove the fish was % l>s. Joth rods >ein4 capa>le of applin4 that effort. +hen es ou are ri4ht. +here would >eno issue Fast oderat or slow. +he would all ove the wei4ht with Gero ris2.....,dditionall,ssuin4 each rod is of the sae len4th. +he slower rod would put the least strain on the an4ler.

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factorH...Rods ust fle to a>sor> shoc2 while at the sae tie applin4 pressure.

9oo2 at steelhead rods....ver soft to protect li4ht lines and sall diater hoo2s.Freshwater cran2>ait rods. Soft slow actions to help 2eep fish ta2e the >ait a >it deeper5 andprevent hoo2s fro openin4 up puncture holes and shac2in4 free.

Rods desi4ned for datie swordfishin4 or Meep droppin4 etree depths are ver slow and loadup close to the reel seat.......all in an attept to 2eep hoo2s fro tearin4 as entioned a>ove.

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ou can call it whatever ou want5 >ut a fishin4 rod is a lever in the classical5 literal5 andechanical sense - its ver utilit as a eans of sendin4 a pro8ectile out into the ocean is afunction of its >ein4 a lever. 1t i4ht >e a sprin4 lever5 >ut it ain't a sprin4.

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1' so lost ri4ht now5 >ut 1' trin4 to learn so 1 will stic2 with this thread

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ta2e two rods of the sae len4th ade fro the sae =uantities of the sae aterials that deflectthe sae aount under a 4iven load and the faster actioned one is 4oin4 to >rea2 first if ou 2eepuppin4 the load. see post a>ove relatin4 to echanical advanta4e and decreasin4 the effectivelen4th of the lever.

thin2 a>out what ou do when ou want to >rea2 our line off - ou point the rod towards it. a slowrod flein4 into the >utt section is5 in effect5 doin4 the sae thin45 tranferrrin4 the load down

towards the stron4er section of the rod. a fast actioned rod cannot do this and is forced to >earthe full load up hi4h5 where it is wea2er.


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6O6 3r Ca2es5 ou said that perfectl ......9O9 Seriousl5 what ohnn said is true as is what Jillalso stated... <o to a deo and tr the for ourself to see what fits ou >est...

1f ou thin2 a fast action rod controls fish >etter tr that one out on a da when ou have $ pound>lues at the end of our cast for a few hrs. 1 have seen fast action rods a2e 4rown en cr ...lol> the end of a lon4 session. Ree>er5 ou are onl fi4htin4 that fish with the top )$L of therod...

Faster action does not translate epensive.......

+his is true onl on sall fish ; ,lost all of rods are E. Fast. ,nd on the >i44er catch the

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6hat does fast action ean?

3ean that the have ore sensitivit and JE++ER-F,S+ER hoo2set and sa F,S+ rod helps ifou're fishin4 near of soe underwater o>stacles5 ou will faster and efficientl pull fish on clean .JU+5 F,S+ rod with sall a. castin4 wei4ht is not faster than a slow para>olic with >i44er a.castin4 wei4ht . ,ll is in force needed to >end the rod .. .

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es5 these tpe of ia4es >rin4 the ost confusion to the an4lers. 1n this ia4e is shown IO6rod will reacts when ou cast lure and when ou set the hoo2 . KO+ how he will >endin4 under thefish ...

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ou 4us are ista2in4 action for power.. Joth are different.in siple ters ,ction is how a rod>ends.. 0ower is how uch it ta2es to put that >end into the rod. Fast action rods can have thesae power as a oderate action or Slow action.. +he >end diffent >ut can have the sae power.+o sa ost prefer fast action is wron4.. 3ost prefer oderate or oderate fast. +a2e fl rods..3ost salt 4us li2e fast action to punch wind.. Salon/steelhead 4us prefer oderate. 3oderatesipl due to 8upin4 fish or fish in structure soe a>sor>er is needed to prevent pull outs and>rea2offs.

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Iow does a siple thread turn into soethin4 so coplicated and 4et ore confusin4 after thest pa4e. lol

,ction A etra fast5 fast5 od5 slow..H refer to the tip of the rod5 faster action does not ean the rodis ore powerful5 >ut it eans the rod is ore stiff as the action >ecoe faster.

0ower A li4ht5 ediu5 heav H referrin4 to the >utt section of the rod after the tip section. +his is where the power coes in after hoo2 up and how the rod handles the fish. +he >utt section canhave a lon4er power transition and dead stop > desi4n.

ea44erated eaple would >e a sprin4 steel wire / antenna tapped to a >roo stic2. Flei>lesteel wire will >e the tip A action H5 >roo stic2 would >e the >utt section A power H.

% ft etra fast rod would have -) ft steel wire5 *-! ft >roo handle.

% ft slow action would have (-$ ft steel wire $-D ft >roo handle.

Sensitivit is a little >etter on etra fast rod than a slow action rod since onl ver little section ofthe rod that fle A tip H5 >ut as other have entioned5 there is little to no fle in the rod to fi4ht thefish.

3a8orit of the sensitivit coes fro the >lan2 aterial / scri aterial. <raphite is li4ht5 stiff5ecellent in vi>ration transission. Usuall ore epensive. fi>er4lass wei4hts ore5 oreflei>le5 dapened vi>ration. Jlan2 a2er will use an co>ination of these two to achive theirdesi4n 4oal A deep sea 8i44in45 flippin4 stic25 u4l stic25 etc H.

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1 respect all of the posters in this thread. Jut there an posts with a terri>le aount of incorrectinforation >ein4 4iven in this thread.

9ow pressure is coin4....4et out and fish >efore the electricit starts;;


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1 >elieve that a lot of an4lers use Fast action rods for the siple fact that the are widel availa>le5the are cheaper to a2e since the have the ost siple desi4n5 a cone shape if ou will. +his isa lot easier to do. , slow action >lan2 a re=uire soe Gonin4 5as rod >lan2 anufactures call

it5 to >e a>le to achieve desired action >ut still have fi4htin4 power. 1 have coe to realiGe that fore fast action rods have a uch ore liited use5 the tire e out ore than a slow action rod.

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9ol " pa4es; 1t's siple. Fast V slow rods each have their respective applications. Ever tried to 8i4 (-$oG with a slow/noodle rod. 1t's pointless. Ever tried to cast an S0 innow with a -fast/>roostic2 rod? Sae stor.

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6ic2edStriper puts it well5 application is 2e. 1 do personall thin2 that an ties people will 4eta rod that is uch to fast for their needs5 1 used to do the sae thin4 thin2in4 i need a uch fasterrod with a "-D oG ratin4 when in realit a oderate/fast or oderate action rod with a -( oG ratin4is uch ore practical for e fishin4 the open >each. this is not to sa that people are wron4choosin4 a faster action hi4her rated rod 8ust that what sees 4ood in the shop/store a not >e

what ou want on the water. 3 personal eperience is that when i plain4 with a rod >efore ipurchase it it should feel as thou4h it a >e a touch li4ht5 if this is this case when i 4et out on the

water ends up >ein4 8ust what i was loo2in4 for.

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ou 4us are ista2in4 action for power.. Joth are different.in siple ters ,ction is how a rod>ends.. 0ower is how uch it ta2es to put that >end into the rod. Fast action rods can have thesae power as a oderate action or Slow action.. +he >end diffent >ut can have the sae power.+o sa ost prefer fast action is wron4.. 3ost prefer oderate or oderate fast. +a2e fl rods..3ost salt 4us li2e fast action to punch wind.. Salon/steelhead 4us prefer oderate. 3oderatesipl due to 8upin4 fish or fish in structure soe a>sor>er is needed to prevent pull outs and>rea2offs.5 ohn5 4reat analo4 >udd, >each is a place where a an can feel5 he's the onl soul in the world thats real N , 8ett is aplace where a an feels5 he ust have a >uc2et full of eels.

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1 have a >roostic25 a couple of slooow hone 9ais5 and several oderate action rods. +he all>end to the sae >asic shape5 >ut re=uire different aounts of force to load the. Since 1 have left thu> on the line all the tie5 1 don't worr so uch a>out sensitivit. 1 8ust use whichever rod

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1 understand the point that ou are trin4 to a2e. Jut 1 can't a4ree with it. 6e >oth fish =uite a >it.6e >oth are 2nowled4ea>le. 1'll defer to EJ's post....as that's the una>rid4ed version of one of thepoints i was a2in4.


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Fish ove erraticall. Mra4s ust >e sooth to pa out line Astart up inertia is anotherfactorH...Rods ust fle to a>sor> shoc2 while at the sae tie applin4 pressure.

9oo2 at steelhead rods....ver soft to protect li4ht lines and sall diater hoo2s.Freshwater cran2>ait rods. Soft slow actions to help 2eep fish ta2e the >ait a >it deeper5 and

















prevent hoo2s fro openin4 up puncture holes and shac2in4 free.

Rods desi4ned for datie swordfishin4 or Meep droppin4 etree depths are ver slow and loadup close to the reel seat.......all in an attept to 2eep hoo2s fro tearin4 as entioned a>ove.


+here are clearl ultiple factors at pla here. 1 thin2 in soe eaples there is >ias - slow is softand for4ivin45 fast isn't. +hat's not true. 1f a fish will >ecoe un>uttoned at %l>s of force and l>sis applied5 the soft rod won't do 8ac2 for ou. +oo uch force was applied and the fish is 4one.3i4ht it help with a sudden sur4e5 a>e5 >ut then a4ain so will a properl set dra4. 1n our othereaple ou use a rod pointed strai4ht at the fish and one at ($5 it won't atter at all. 1f ou applore force at ($ de4rees than the fish can handle its a 4oner5 if ou appl less Avia dra4H at astrai4ht pull ou'll 2eep it on. +he rod doesn't appl the force5 the an4ler does. +he rods a actdifferentl dependin4 on their desi4n >ut the will still respond to the aount of force applied. +he

tric2 Aand s2ill is applin4 the correct aountH. 6e've all ad ista2es here and the an4ler that>laes the fast action rod is onl foolin4 hiself.

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+here's reall no truth to that. +he rod doesn't do an wor2 on its own. 1ts an elastic lever. +he rodis loaded when the caster applies force to it5 the ore force applied5 the 4reater the load and theener4 stored in the rod and the 4reater the release of that ener4 at the copletion of the cast. 1norder to load a rod the castin4 stro2e needs to constantl accelerate and then coe to a coplete

and a>rupt stop. 1f the rod isn't acceleratin4 it won't >e loaded. 1f the rod doesn't coe to acoplete stop Ait driftsH ener4 is wasted. 'Fast' action rods re=uire ore ener4 to load theproperl5 ou'll either have to appl ore power to the cast or ore speed Aor >othH. Slower actionrods will load with less ener4 >ut will o>viousl release less ener4 at the copletion of the cast5resultin4 in decreased perforance Athat i4ht not >e the >est wa to put itH.

+here are uses for >oth. Eels5 >ait5 etcN a fast action rod i4ht not >e the >est choice - the forceneeded to load the rod is pro>a>l 4reater than the dura>ilit of the eel's head... 0lu4s that tend totu>le in fli4ht i4ht also >enefit fro a slower action rod Aor slowin4 down while usin4 a fast

rodH. 1f ou're a2in4 hero casts with a fast rod and a etal lip that ener4 is 4oin4 to the lure andthe lure i4ht not handle it well. Older an4lers or those with in8uries issues i4ht feel li2e theprefer a softer action rod since it will re=uire less ener4 to load the >ut that coes at decreasedperforance.

1 have soe of >oth tpe of rods and in 4eneral 1 2ept coin4 >ac2 to faster actioned rods.

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,s said different applications will have ou reachin4 for different stle rods >ut even thou4h theasses a use a particular action for a specific use doesn't alwas ean it is >est for all.Eaple 1n 3ontua2 3oderate action rods are the local favorite >ut if ou >uc2tail ore thananthin4 else 5ou a find the sensitivit of a faster action ore to our li2in4. Alee eplainHour wor2in4 our >uc2tail thru the roc2s 4ettin4 as close as ou can without sna44in4. ou feelthe >uc2tail hittin4 the roc25ou pull up =uic2l to tr and prevent it fro sna44in4. 6ith aoderate/slower action the rod will >end further down causin4 a dela in response >ut with afaster action the tip >ends onl sli4htl and the power 2ic2s in faster creatin4 a =uic2er response.6hen finessin4 a >uc2 tail thru a >oulderfeild this can >e the difference >etween sna44in4 and notsna44in4.

,nother >enefit 1 have found with a oderate/faster action is on aerodnaic plu4s li2e sp's andpencils and even tins is if ou la into our cast hard 5the plu4 will often shoot off the rod li2e adart5with no wo>>le54ivin4 ou the 4reatest distance. On a slower /oderate action if ou hit ithard 5ou can overpower the >lan2 easier and the plu4 coes off wo>>lin4 a >it. Cheatin4 ou outof distance.R I Custos and C+S 0ro StaffRepl 7uote 3ultipost &(( of %$(/"%/(

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+here is a different tool for ever 8o>. 1 prefer soethin4 a little ore oderate for ost surfapplications. 1 do li2e a faster >lan2 when punchin4 etals or heav needles into a headwind5 >utfor 3OS+ applications a oderate rod suits e >etter. Once ou 4et our castin4 techni=ue downpat5 ou will find the oderate rod is a lot easier to load and cast.

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slow actionW poppers5 and etal lips Apreferred on 8etties tooH fast actionW 8i4s5 tins Apreferred inareas where distance is 2e to catchin4H

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1t's opinion that when usin4 >raid5 ultra fast rods leave ver little roo for error. 1f a fish turnsunepectedl5 there's a dra4 issue5 etc.5 there is no 4ive when ou co>ine >raid with a ver fastrod. +he >raid does not have the elasticit that ono offers5 and the rod will not >end si4nificantlpast the tip. +he are 4ood for castin4 dense5 aerodnaic lures- if that's our thin4...+he a8orit of >uilds are on <SJ >lan2s. +he have served the surf castin4 counit wellfor a lon4 tie and will continue to help e catch >i4 fish. 1 also love a nice slow fi>er4lass stic2for innow stle lures and li4ht >uc2tails. Kever have an issue stic2in4 >i4 fish- 8ust 2eep the

hoo2s raGor sharp..., oderate action paired with >raid offers a nice co>ination of sensitivit and castin4 distance while also allowin4 soe 4ive while fi4htin4 a fish and soe pla when wor2in4 plu4s. +here area lot of >lan2s out there with 4reat actions5 >ut 1 a not reall a hu4e fan of super fast >lan2s.1 4uess for the 4us who fish a lot of etal the are 4ood. 1 alwas 4ra> a >uc2tail >efore etailthou4h...RRepl 7uote 3ultipost &(* of %$$/)*/(

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0ersonall 1 love surfcastin4 with old lai fi>er4lass rods. Slow > toda's standards5 >utpowerful and effective in controllin4 hoo2ed fish.

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1 use heav line5 heav wei4hted lures or sin2ers and a lon4 thic2 rod for ears and never had anpro>les5 8ust cran2 then in ;;;;; Ko atter whats out there an heav action rod has enou4h >owin the action to act as a shoc2 a>sor>in4 =ualities to fi4ht the onster fish. +he distance incastin4 is achieved with practicin4 with the e=uipent the are 4oin4 to use .1 don't clai to >e anepert5 ust an eperienced fisheran.....


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, ver inforative thread; 1 find that rod choice has a lot to do with soeone's personal fishin4stle and the 2ind of fishin4 that the do ost often.Kot so uch roc2et science >ut closer to coon sense.

Soe li2e a faster rod for throwin4 saller stuff. ou'll loo2 prett ridiculous trin4 to throw a halfounce >uc2 tail with a >i4 thic2 stic2. +he lure will 4o a>solutel nowhere. 1 >uc2tail a lot overroc2 terrainA for those who live in places where this lure 4oes unused5 it's a sall lead 8i4 with

>uc2 tail hair attached and copleted > usin4 a sall piece of por2 rind as the ultiateattractantH 5so often 1 use a rod that has treendous fle and allows e to respond ore =uic2l toa >up. +his ena>les e to iediatel ad8ust the depth of the >uc2 tail to prevent han4-ups. +hisis tpicall a ore tapered rod that 4ives e the freedo to throw sall lures >etter than 1 couldtoss a heavier plu4. 6hile this is not scientific---1 noticed that when trin4 to tae a lar4e striper5 asli4htl heavier5 althou4h still tapered rod5 ena>les e to tae the fish uch ore easil thanusin4 a thinner5 li4hter >lan2.

1f ou fish 3ontau2 and loo2 around5ou'll notice that the fellows who are specificall stal2in4

lar4er fish are tpicall usin4 ediu to ver heav e=uipent.+his ena>les the to throw lar4er lures a heft distance and when the connect with a >i4 fish5 therods that the are usin4 a2e it easier to 4et the fish in =uic2er and with less effort. 1 a referrin4to fisheren who are not interested in catchin4 sall fish----the J1< F1SI <US people wholiterall wal2 awa fro the tpical fish that 1 personall love to catch A%-"%l>sH are usin4 verheav e=uipent. +hese are 4us who soeties trade cofort for power and an use ediuto etreel heav rods coupled with $%l> >raid and heav leader aterial. +he are after that onehu4e fish a onth. JlitGin4 saller fish to the are not worth their effort or sipl not what theare fishin4 for. 0ERSOK,9951'll focus on =uantit all da lon4 and if 1 do hoo2 into lar4er fish5it'shappenstance.

1 prefer ore tapered rods that allow e to throw li4hter stuff. 3ost fisheren are huntin4 forstripers that are in that %l> -"% l> ran4e so a saller to ediu heav rod wor2s 8ust fine. ,4ainthere are rare situations where the fish are on lar4e >ait and i4ht >e $% ards off the >each.+hen ou need a ore powerful rod soeties lar4er and thic2er to load a heavier lure and 4et itout there. ,lso ou don't 4o to a 4unfi4ht with a 2nife----our rod is a tool that should >e used for

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1 a a new>ie here. 1 can fi4ure out a>out ost of the words ou 4us use >ut there are soe that1 would li2e to 4et soe help on. Can soeone please eplain soe of the terinolo4 that ou4us are usin4: plu4s5 etal lips5 poppin45 pencil dance. ,n help would >e appreciated. +han2sin advance.

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0lu4sW luresetal lips W a woden or plastic plu4 with a etal lip. 1E etal lip swierpoppin4 W a plu4 Ausuall a pencil or polaris tpe popperH that is fished > usin4 short tu4s on the

rod causin4 the plu4 to 8up forward and splash water5iitatin4 a wounded fish. +his is calledpoppin4.0encil danceW when poppin4 a pencil it usuall swin4s fro side to side with each tu4 on the rod.that otion is soeties referred to dancin4 or action.

1f these are hard to understand a visual aid a2es it real eas. +r searchin4 for video's or fishin4near 4us who are doin4 this and it will >ecoe clear .

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+han2s for the fast response ohnnca2es. ou da an. 1' 4oin4 to hit outu>e toni4ht and see what 1 can find.S2inner a2es soe ver inforative videos.R I Custos and C+S 0ro StaffRepl 7uote 3ultipost &$! of %$*/)/(

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+han2s for the inforation. 1 will chec2 out s2inner also. 1 also saw online a person naed ,lanIaw2s who does reviews of spinners. Iow is he rated? Ie sees ipartial to an >rand.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &D% of %$*/"/(



























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Eaple 1n 3ontau2 3oderate action rods are the local favorite >ut if ou >uc2tail ore thananthin4 else 5ou a find the sensitivit of a faster action ore to our li2in4.

Funn 1 have alwas felt that a faster action rod5 which feels ore crisp to e5 is ore

sensitive in hands that a ore oderate action rod such as the <SJ line. Jut 1've >een toldthere is not reall a correalation.

1f 1' throwin4 li4hter plu4s or >uc2tails or an lure that 1 want/need to sta in constantcontact/feelin4 with5 1 want that fast action to feel everthin4 1 possi>l can. 1f 1' throwin4 pencils51 want the ore oderation action of the <SJ.Repl 7uote 3ulti

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1 understand the point that ou are trin4 to>oth fish ,ssuin4 >it 6e >oth a 2nowled4ea>le. 1'lldefer to EJ's post....as that's the una>rid4ed version of one of the points i was a2in4.


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9oo2 at steelhead rods....ver soft to protect li4ht lines and sall diater hoo2s.Freshwater cran2>ait rods. Soft slow actions to help 2eep fish ta2e the >ait a >it deeper5 andprevent hoo2s fro openin4 up puncture holes and shac2in4 free.

Rods desi4ned for datie swordfishin4 or Meep droppin4 etree depths are ver slow and load

up close to the reel seat.......all in an attept to 2eep hoo2s fro tearin4 as entioned a>ove.


1 a4ree. +his i4ht sound li2e >ias since 1 prefer oderate rod over fast.

3a>e5 if we loo2 at a different an4le it i4ht help.

,ssuin4 everthin4 is e=ual... fisheran5 line5 reel5 power ratin4 on the rod ecept one isoderate and other is fast. ,nd fish is hoo2ed on.

1 >elieve oderate rod will put ore pressure on the fish with less effort copare to fast rod. 1t will ta2e 4reater effort fro fisheran to appl sae pressure to the fish with fast action rod.

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1 a4ree. +his i4ht sound li2e >ias since 1 prefer oderate rod over fast.

3a>e5 if we loo2 at a different an4le it i4ht help.

,ssuin4 everthin4 is e=ual... fisheran5 line5 reel5 power ratin4 on the rod ecept one isoderate and other is fast. ,nd fish is hoo2ed on.

1 >elieve oderate rod will put ore pressure on the fish with less effort copare to fast rod. 1t will ta2e 4reater effort fro fisheran to appl sae pressure to the fish with fast action rod.

1 >elieve that with oderate rod durin4 the fi4ht the fish is not uch nervous5 soehow withoderate rod fish is not that a44ressive in fi4htin4 as when we have fast rod ?

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fast rod to 4et sae l>-force at the end of the fishin4 line copare to oderate rod. 1 dont haveeactl sae spec power rod with difference of >ein4 oderate vs. fast to test this theor out. Iowever >elief is that ou will eert ore l> force on the end of the line with oderate rodthen fast rod usin4 sae fisheran stren4th.

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1 didn't read the whole thread so it a have >een entioned alread...................

, slow para>olic rod will 4ive the proper action to a pencil or popper5 soethin4 a fast rod doesnot do well., fast rod has ore sensitivit Aespeciall with >raidH5 soethin4 ou want for plu44in4 andespeciall tin and teaser when >ites can >e su>tle - ou need to >e a>le to feel everthin4. Kotsoethin4 slower action rods do well.

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Jut i feel li2e if ou have a su>tle >ite with >ait5 sa >lood wors i will use a hi4h low with aheavier wei4ht to anchor to the >otto and a slow action rod so i can cross ees and send the fishinto net wee2.

1 learned this this sprin45 1 had four hits5 swun4 on all four had one fish usin4 a fast action rod5chose the rod >ecause it was li4ht and i had to stand all ni4ht. chan4ed the approach the netni4ht5 to the slow rod and heavier wei4ht and landed ever >ite i swun4 on.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &DD of %$*/(/(

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pencil poppers on a fast action rod a2e e want a new shoulder after " casts

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1 didn't read the whole thread so it a have >een entioned alread...................

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especiall tin and teaser when >ites can >e su>tle - ou need to >e a>le to feel everthin4. Kotsoethin4 slower action rods do well.

Slow action rods are 8ust as sensitive as fast action rods. 13IO...Surf rods in 4eneral aren't versensitive..at all...even the >est of the >est...>i4 heav dou>le footed 4uides with lots ofepo...thic25 heav >utts...dapen the vi>ration.

1f ou too2 a !' heav >ac2 >ouncer slow action rod...it'd proll >e ore sensitive than the ostsensitive surf rod.

Slow rods transit the lever closer to the hand so it is ore efficient to pull on...hence wh forfi4htin4 purposes an stand up >i4 4ae rods are shorter and the front half of the rod is alostsacrificial and all the power is a foot and a half a>ove the reel seat.


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1 fish a YGiple 9ite Jass and 1 can tell if a fish has >reathed on >ait. 9O9. Ko surf rod issensitive if plon2ed into a rod rest or sand spi2e ou 4ot to hold it to feel it.

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Ever Mo4 has his da. Even 1 4et into the odd >litGe. See ou in 3ontau2 Oct a>e. 1t a>e oldhat >ut for e a 4reat rod that has ecellent castin4 attri>utes and fish fi4htin4 is that old warhorse <SJ ") 3. Cant >e descri>ed as fast action >ut is a 4reat castin4 rod one even 1 in dota4e can chuc2 all da lon4. , classic.

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Ever Mo4 has his da. Even 1 4et into the odd >litGe. See ou in 3ontau2 Oct a>e. 1t a>e oldhat >ut for e a 4reat rod that has ecellent castin4 attri>utes and fish fi4htin4 is that old warhorse <SJ ") 3. Cant >e descri>ed as fast action >ut is a 4reat castin4 rod one even 1 in dota4e can chuc2 all da lon4. , classic.

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pencil poppers on a fast action rod a2e e want a new shoulder after " casts

6hen castin4 fro such a low point of 4ravit...never ind.

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es5 this is a 4reat thread on the proper rod. 1 have alwas thou4ht faster eant >etter >ut in case 1 see where 1 was wron4. 1n particular situation 1 a in id D%'s and a disa>led fro

an >i2e accident which caused eventual loss of stren4th in le4s and over tie this hassoewhat effected upper >od stren4th. ,ll of this e=uates to ostl shorter cast andstu>lin4 around fro trin4 to 4et etra power in the cast. 1 also have trou>le 4ettin4 too deep inthe surf due to loss of >alance.

6ould 1 >e correct in assuin4 that 1 would >e uch >etter off with a ediu action rod where 1don't have to put as uch ener4 into the cast to 4et satisfactor or even >etter distance results?6hat len4th rod sounds correct for e?

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,ssuin4 ou are not tal2in4 a>out fl 4ear Awhich 3i2e 2nows >ut 1 don'tH5 faster rods are >etterfor usin4 the 6oodsan's Chop stle casts5 which eplos ore shoulders and ars and lesships and le4s5 and ore oderate rods are >etter for pendulu stle casts5 which utiliGes our






















le4s and hips to 4enerate power that flows into our shoulders and ars.

+he hatchet chop has the lure relativel close to the tip of the rod and a ran4e of otion fro %-)o'cloc2. +he rod is >rou4ht =uic2l throu4h the ran4e and snapped towards the tar4et5 4enerall

with the tip passin4 soewhere close to overhead. 1t is also 2nown as a snap cast or 3ontau2chop. +he reason it is called the 3ontau2 chop is >ecause 4us who are standin4 on roc2s have toaintain their center of >alance on the roc2- the can't ta2e a step or two into the cast.

, pendulu stle cast had a lon4er drop of the lure fro the rod tip. +he lure is drawn >ac2 until itstarts to pull a4ainst the rod5 then the rod is driven towards the tar4et in a lon4 sweep that astart >ac2 as far as DN"% or # o'cloc2 and end at ".

+o put it in >oin4 ters5 a snap cast is a 8a>5 crisp and efficient5 and a pendulu cast is aroundhouse. 3ost people can put ore power into a roundhouse than the can into a 8a>.

1t appears ou are >etter suited to use snap casts as our disa>ilit prevents ou fro reall

windin4 up for a roundhouse. 1n that case5 ou a ver well >e >etter off with a faster action rod5and our challen4e will >e to aiiGe the speed and crispness of our deliver. +his can >e done> shortenin4 the len4th of our rod and reovin4 wei4ht fro our outfit. , shorter rod 4oesfro %-) in less tie than a lon4er one5 and a li4hter outfit has less inertia to overcoe to ove itaround.

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1 would sa a ore oderate action rod would >e >etter in our case5 as it re=uires less overallforce to let off a cast. , faster rod will cast further >ut it will re=uire ore force to 4et that distance., oderate rod is uch easier to load5 and cast all ni4ht5 ou will still 4et plent of distance 8ustnot the sae as soe of the fast action rods. Kot sure what rods ou are thin2in4 a>out and priceran4e5 >ut i would hi4hl recoend a centur s stealth5 -( oG. in the % ft len4th. +his is 4oto rod for the a8orit of the season and it handles well on >i4 fish. 1 priaril fish sand >eaches5not sure this would >e a 4ood rod for a place li2e the canal where a little ore power a >e

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feet % inches lon4 and had reel in hi4h position and <us li2e 0aul err would ove theseshorter rods throu4h the castin4 arc with treendous speed. Kot an could he was eceptional.Jut over tie the >i44er slower en owned the court due to their a>ilit to handle ver lon4 rods.+hese rods are not para>olic at all. 3ost <us are not a>le to >end the.

, rod that +adpole could consider is the 9ai <SJ ")3. Kow this rod can >e cast with a shortstro2e li2e the snap cast >ut if there is roo it will put out a sei pendulu cast reall well. Kow afishin4 pendulu loads a rod ver easil and will put wa less strain on a Caster. +he cast >uild upis slow to start with and accelerates out to the end. Jut it does not have to >e a violentacceleration. 1t is a ver sooth rhthic cast. +he 9ai has thic2 walls and it can cope with seipendulu castin4. +he tip is soft enou4h to stop lead or lure >ounce and 4ive enou4h feel whensettin4 up the cast. 1 2now this as 1 fish one on 91. ,n alternative for to ( oGs is the YGiple 9i4htJass. +his rod is super li4ht can >e >uilt fro feet # inches down to feet no pro>s and willsnap cast and sei pendulu to. 1 use this rod a4ain in 91 and the Cape.

Fast taper thin wall >lan2s are not 4ood for pendulu castin4.

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rods in 4eneral. +he are crap at fish fi4htin4 anwa and itTs not 8ust a>out castin4 whenconsiderin4 pro>les with our >od throu4h illness or in8ur. +he C+S S# 1 saw 9ou castin4 on avideo and that's a ( oG rod and worth of consideration.

Rods li2e these and the 9ai will cast down to /( oG >uc2tails and cast the ver well whilstreall 4ettin4 hold of ) oGs to (oGs as well and the are not heav rods. FSC have suita>le odelsin their ran4e and so does C+S. 1 don't 2now the Centur Rods at all. For e it is a ust criteria

that surf rods can cast to (oGs >ut have to do the /( oG well as that is the staple diet in3ontau2 for a lot of fishin4.1 rarel cast ore than "oGs for lures and plu4s.

1t will not >e hard to 4et a rod to suit and it does not have to cost a 2in4Ts ranso.

Iope this helps.

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Kot sure what videos ou have seen. Jut if it is one of a +ournaent castin4 cop then none ofthe <us will >e snap castin4. Ko chance of loadin4 their rods properl due to ver short rod arc.

On the castin4 court ostl it is full >lown pendulu casts or a>e there could >e soe <usstill usin4 the arouth Jac2 cast which is ver siilar to a pendulu in ters of how the power

and speed is 4enerated. Rods used in U and European +ournaents are totall hopeless when itcoes to fishin4 for 4ood siGed fish. +he are too lon4 and wa too stiff and even a sall fish would tire a stron4 Fisher. 1 could never ia4ine one >ein4 used Under +he 9i4ht in 3ontau2.ou have super> hoe 4rown products for Striper fishin4 plus product fro C+S and Centur topla around with. ou actuall still have fish to tar4et. Jeach fishin4 in the U2 >ecae all a>outhi4h perforance rods and lon4 distance castin4 and coplicated ri4s >ecause we have no fish

worth tar4etin4 fro the surf. 1ts aaGin4 how the 1ndustr ana4ed to 4loss over the fact thatthere was no point in >uin4 surf tac2le for use in the U. Jut li2e 9ein4s an >elieved if onlthe could cast $% ards with a sin4le 9u4 wor >ait then the would >ecoe 2nown as a Ji4Iitter to and a>e the could then catch what was never there. 9O9.

1 don't coe over the pond to the US, twice a ear for no 4ood reason.

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O5 li2e 1 said not snap castin4. 1 had a Centur ")# SS. 1' D$5 #% l>s5 a 4ood athlete5 still in4ood shape. 6ith " to ".$oG 1 a>solutel could not load this rod without assive effort. 9ots ofraves a>out this stic2 >ut not fro e. +hat's when 1 >e4an to =uestion the tpical fast rod Wdistance forula.Repl 7uote 3ulti

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faster rods are >etter for usin4 the 6oodsan's Chop stle casts5 which eplos oreshoulders and ars and less hips and le4s5 and ore oderate rods are >etter for pendulu stlecasts5 which utiliGes our le4s and hips to 4enerate power that flows into our shoulders andars.

+his has >een a prett 4ood thread >ut 1 need to ta2e eception to thisN this thin2in45 13KSIO is>ac2wards.

Slower actions wor2 >est with fast5 short otions that load the rod deepl as soon as the hands>e4in to ove. +he overhead 6oodsan's Chop is a>out the fastest and shortest stro2e one canuse for effective surfcastin4 and when properl eecuted5 with a slow action rod rated for thepaload5 the rod is nearl full copressed >efore the lure >e4ins to ove.

+he otions that wor2 >est for slow rods start so fast the have to end slower >ut the deep

copression easil soa2s up that slowin4 while aintainin4 contact with the paload and stillacceleratin4 the lure Aa4ain5 assuin4 ou are castin4 the proper wei4htH.

Fast action rods when cast with a snap otion also unload >ut with the rod not >ein4 deeplcopressed5 and the tip recover >ein4 fast5 contact with the paload is lost and acceleration islost. Fast actions perfor >est with lon4er stro2es5 ideall >e4innin4 with >od rotation ovin4the rod >efore the ars and then hands5 coe in. +hese otions start slow and end fasterN contact

with the paload is aintained and >ecause the application of ener4 is a constant >uildin4pro4ression5 acceleration is happenin4 throu4hout the entire otion.

1f ou are snap-castin4 a fast action rod 1 can 4uarantee it is unloadin4 >efore ou release5 to thepoint of de4radin4 if not destroin4 castin4 perforance.

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7uote:, faster rod will cast further >ut it will re=uire ore force to 4et that distance.

1 see this stateent a lot and it alwas puGGles e. 6hile distance is related to the force appliedAo>viouslH 1 don't thin2 that faster rods necessaril cast further. 6ith a fast rod the force isapplied =uic2l over a short period of tie5 eplosive is a 4ood ter. 6ith a slower ore para>olicrod the force can >e applied over a lon4er period of tie >ecause the rod stores it5 in total oreforce can >e accuulated and released into the pro8ectile. Or so it sees to e. 1 have never >eento distance castin4 tournaent >ut fro the videos 1 have seen it loo2s li2e the use slow actionpara>olic rods. Soeone correct e if 1' wron4.

, faster rod will cast farther when cast correctl. ,s 1 sa a>ove5 fast actions and =uic2 otions





are not optial. Stiffer >utt5 fast action rods respond to a lon4er stro2e that starts slow and endsfaster Athe hitH. +his is a catapult otion that uses the rod as a lever and with the proper drop5 atre>uchet tpe of acceleration as the lure swin4s out and awa5 on a uch wider arc. +he slow /fast castin4 distance 4ap widens =uic2l eploin4 a hi4h-ener4 cast with a fast action rodAwhich does not ean ore effortH. O+OI5 usin4 a refined castin4 otion with a slow rod oftenhas the rod collapse when castin4 in the id to upper ratin4 of the rod. <enerall5 eploin4 hi4hener4 casts with slow rods re=uire ou to ove up in rod wei4ht ratin4N slowZer[ rods used in

tournaent castin4 a >are $oG sin2er li2e the YGiple 0rio Sncho are ecellent *-K-Jait rodsusin4 a fishin4 cast . . .7uote:Ori4inall 0osted > 3i2e Oliver

over tie the >i44er slower en owned the court due to their a>ilit to handle ver lon4 rods.+hese rods are not para>olic at all. 3ost <us are not a>le to >end the.

,nd ost 4us who ove fro a slow rod to a faster action aren't >endin4 the new rod.

<us who have cast nothin4 >ut slow rods li2e <SJ's often have an initial 4uttural disli2e for fastaction rods and can't >e convinced that stiff rods cast farther . . .>ut the don't realiGe the needto copletel relearn how to cast.

<us who cast a fast action rod li2e the do a slow one will often sa5 it doesn't 'feel' ri4ht andthe are correct . . . >ecause the are castin4 it >ac2wards5 in fast5 out slow . . . +he rod is never4ettin4 full loaded and since that initial snap speed can't >e aintained throu4h the castin4otion5 whatever load was attained5 is lost as the rod unloads >efore the release.

,llowin4 an ille4al ii4rant to sta in the US with anest and start the le4al ii4rationprocess

is li2e allowin4 a >an2 ro>>er to 4o free and 2eep the one as lon4 as he fills out a loanapplication.

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1 alread 2now 3i2e Oliver5 and 1 too2 a little tie to review ReelinRod's postin4 histor. 1 clearlneed to rethin2 what 1 have learned and ta2e it >ac2 to fishin4 eperiences5 >ecause apparentl1 have >een 4oin4 a>out this >ac2wards. 3 understandin4 that a slower >lan2 re=uires a lon4erthe arc of oentu has >een contradicted > two people with 4reater eperience than ine.

1 do not cast copetitivel and onl occasionall need to reall push a plu4 to 4et to fish5 >ut 1 do

ta2e pride in correctl understandin4 how the world around e wor2s. Fro that standpoint5 1 willpla around with castin4 techni=ue the net few ties 1 fish to see what happens. 1 a alsota2e a >lan2 and >uild it a couple of different was then fish it with different drops and speeds andsee what coes of that.

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7uote:usin4 a refined castin4 otion with a slow rod often has the rod collapse when castin4 in the idto upper ratin4 of the rod. <enerall5 eploin4 hi4h ener4 casts with slow rods re=uire ou toove up in rod wei4ht ratin4N

+his points to one of the factors that rarel enters the discussion a>out rod action and ratin45 the wei4ht of the lure. 1' sure 1 could have loaded SS ")# if 1 was usin4 a $oG plu4. 1f the >lan2 is

collapsin4 then 4o down in lure wei4ht. ,nother factor that is issin4 is who is the rod rated forAor who is doin4 the ratin4?H a )$ r old 4u who 4oes to the 4 re4ularl or D$ r old li2e e who ain't what he used to >e? 1 2now that rod anufacturers can't 4o craG5 >ut when loo2in4 fora rod it's li2e 4olf5 ou've 4ot to 2now what 2ind of clu> head speed ou can 4enerate and howheav a clu> ou can swin4. 1t is food for thou4ht thou4h5 snap cast a slow rod5 lon4 and sooth

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1 a with ou %%L re4ardin4 the issues an 4us have when transferrin4 fro a slower rod to aver fast action rod. Jein4 stron4 and incredi>l athletic whilst 4ood attri>utes for an Sportsanto have ean ver little in castin4 a fast action powerful surf rod unless the <u can well cast and2nows how to load the rod with a lon4er castin4 arc. 1ts possi>le to draw parallels with fl castin4

where the >i4 "%% l> <u who is >rand new >elieves he can uscle his wa into a !% foot cast and

all he produces is a woosh and hot air. +he slow in and faster out is so fundaental to cast a hi4hperforance fast action and powerful rod. +he lon4er the rod the truer this 4ets. Kow for e at anrate for surf spinnin4 and castin4 ostl fro N)$ oGs to "oGs 1 don't want or need a super fastaction and ver powerful rod. Ko use to e perched on top of a sall roc2 trin4 to >alance whilstthe surf is doin4 its >est to 2noc2 e off. U2 stle short pendulu rods li2e the YGiple %%$5 andthe )$%% and K< would >e rod of choice if 1 was needin4 up to $% ards with a sin4le wor>ait and the onl reason 1 would elect for these lovel castin4 rods is >ecause the can producethe distance 1 need with sooth easil produced pendulu cast as these are not full >lown+ourne rods >ut still wa to stiff to do a 4ood 8o> fi4htin4 fish. Sadl these short fast pendulurods are not ade an ore as the ove to lon4er rods too2 hold soe ears a4o.

Kow the <SJ ")3 is prett versatile rod. 1t has ore than enou4h >alls to allow ou to a2e aver effective sei pendulu fishin4 cast and the effort re=uired to do that is wa less than ana44ressive short arc snap cast. 1tTs li2e chal2 and cheese. Jecause it is not a vicious rod it can still>e cast with a sei pendulu whilst perched on a reasona>le roc2 as it is so eas to load this rod.1t will wor2 with a slow in and a fast out techni=ue.

+he difficult 1 a havin4 is trin4 to cali>rate what is considered fast and powerful in the US,copared to rods in the U and for which application. Surf with >ait or spin onl. 6hatTs funn








over here is that the focus on lon4 ran4e hi4h perforance rods has distorted realit in that rodsare sold as fishin4 rods when in fact the are castin4 rods and itTs 8ust a =uestion of relativit>etween +ournaent and rods sold for an4lin4. 1tTs ver sad to see <us who are poor casterstrin4 to use these rods as the can't >end the to load the and if the would onl let their prideta2e a hit the would >e so uch >etter off with less powerful rods that the can induce a >endinto the and actuall 4et a feel for the lead.

3ind its funn 1 thin2 that perhaps we ia4ine ever Fisher out there should >e prett 4ood we areno different to other sportsen who sa pla rac=uet sports and if ou too2 a %%% of the there

would >e a hu4e variation in the plain4 standard.

Jut with teachin4 alost an Fisher can >e tau4ht how to cast even a powerful surf rod prett welland in a short period of tie. Jut soe <us 8ust stroll into surf fishin4 or arrive > the 2e>oardof their 0C's after a troll around the internet >u a rod and ou see the results of that nearl eversin4le da A if ou fish in dali4htH on the >each.6hen 1 used to >uild hi4h perforance rods for Surf <us the >i44est issue was sall <us and

even >i4 new <us wantin4 to 8up strai4ht into the e=uivalent of a Forula car. Ever tieore resulted in less wa less.

+echni=ue is a >i4 factor. , friend of ine is >arel $ feet * inches and D%l>s and not what ou would consider reotel an ,thlete and et he can put a $ oG lead over ))% ards with what loo2sli2e an alost effortless pendulu cast which it can >e once ou can trul cast this wa. 1t 4etsreall hard when the +ourne <us start reachin4 out for "%% ards and a>ilit plus 4reat stren4this a re=uireent then.

For 4us who don't cast well and are not interested in ever iprovin4 there are 4ood rods ade inthe US, that will allow siple overhead casts and off the 4round casts that will put a lead out>eond %%ards5 which an would consider para>olic rods. Fast action rods are a deli4ht tocast and have a 4reat clean feel to the >ut need a >it ore effort to learn how to 4et the >est outof the >ut itTs not that hard a thin4 to do and cast correctl need no ore effort than a slowerrod.

3ostl it is never the rod whatever the desi4n it is !!L the Caster.

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+his points to one of the factors that rarel enters the discussion a>out rod action and ratin45 the wei4ht of the lure. 1' sure 1 could have loaded SS ")# if 1 was usin4 a $oG plu4. 1f the >lan2 iscollapsin4 then 4o down in lure wei4ht. ,nother factor that is issin4 is who is the rod rated forAor who is doin4 the ratin4?H a )$ r old 4u who 4oes to the 4 re4ularl or D$ r old li2e e

who ain't what he used to >e? 1 2now that rod anufacturers can't 4o craG5 >ut when loo2in4 fora rod it's li2e 4olf5 ou've 4ot to 2now what 2ind of clu> head speed ou can 4enerate and howheav a clu> ou can swin4. 1t is food for thou4ht thou4h5 snap cast a slow rod5 lon4 and sooth

with a fast rod. Moes this also ean short drop with slow rod and lon4er drop with a fast rod?

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+here should >e no surprise that a slower rod >ein4 cast with an inappropriate stle of cast willcause issues due to the load >ein4 cast sae wa that a fast rod cast overhead i4ht not wor2 too

well. +a2e a thin walled fast taper >lan2 and pendulu cast with it and >efore not too lon4 the tip will pro>a>l delainate and >rea2 and it won't cast well either. 1tTs a >it li2e sain4 sports car won't do !%30I off road when a slower rod is cast wron4l then it will have pro>les handlin4loads at the upper end of its ratin4. +he rod is >ein4 stressed in a wa it was never desi4ned to >estressed.

, rod should >e rated accordin4 to its power and if we use it outside of its desi4n intent then wecan epect pro>s. +echni=ue is wa ore iportant than a4e or stren4th when castin4. Even ifou were $%L of our previous oun4 a4e stren4th ou can with the ri4ht castin4 s2ill and correctrod selection a2e ver 4ood casts that will 2eep ou up there with ost other 4us.

,4e and fitness does not coe into the rec2onin4 when ratin4 a rod. ou i4ht not have =uite thehand speed and stren4th of a )$ ear old >ut with 4ood techni=ue ou will >e a>le to put our lureor lead out there no pro>les if ou sta with rods in power ratin4 that is sensi>le. For eaple 1a a>le to cast ( to $ /( oG. o2. 1f 1 have to ove up to a rod capa>le of DoG to * oG.5 1 a 4oin4 tohate it and stru44le5 as apart fro techni=ue ou need the stren4th to cope with the wei4ht and








power of rods capa>le of castin4 these >i4 paloads.

ou are >an4 on with our analo4 of the 4olf clu>. ou can find a rod that will let ou wrin4 theaiu out of it that does not 2ill ou.

,s to the drop len4ths 4enerall spea2in4 es >ut fast rods will onl >enefit fro a lon4er drop ifthe correct cast is eploed.

,re ou around 1n 3ontau2 >etween the (th Oct and the "st Oct as 1 will have with e a <SJ")3 and a YGiple 9ite Jass and we could have a >it of a castin4 and fishin4 session one da/ni4ht if ou wanted to do that5 ou could then see whats possi>le for ou with rods of this tpe. 1ti4ht help ou 1 don't 2now. uts pop e a 03 if ou would li2e to do that.

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ou can still use a lon4er arc for a slower rod >ut ou would not want to rush the cast overluch. , slow in and faster out still wor2s >ut it is relevant to the rods power speed and action. ou

8ust wind the up a >it slower. Over done can see our lead or lure hittin4 the >each >ehind ouas the rod overloads.

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Fast action rods will put ou in the corner after a da or ni4ht dancin4 with >i4 stripers or worse>i4 >lue fish. 1tTs a lot of wear and tear on our >od. 1 li2e soethin4 in the iddle. 1 feel that>ein4 in the iddle can 4ive u >oth advanta4es soeties lol. 1 have a thousand rods in shopthat 1 >uilt5 fished5 and hun4 up. 1tTs never endin4. +his past sprin45 1 was fishin4 with a C+S apor+rail %ft "-D all sprin4 fro local inlet 8etties and south shore >eaches and 3ontau2 to Jloc2

1sland. 1 reall li2ed the rod a lot. 1t had all the power 1 needed to cast heav needles and li4ht spinnows and5 when the >i4 fish hit5 the plu4 hard the rod went into action. 6hat 1 donTt li2e a>outthe rod and this 4ettin4 off topic >ut 1 a in the Gone. 6hat 1 donTt li2e a>out the rod is thethinness of the >lan2 down in lower section of the rod. i fish with hand on the fore 4rip. ,fter afew hours of catchin4 fish hands would crap up. so after the season is over i a 4oin4 tostrip it down and shape a cor2 fore-4rip and sand it down and throw shrin2 wrap over it. 1 still li2ethe <SJ series ver uch. +he )% is a 4reat all around % surf rod for 8ust a>out anthin4. 1thas a oderate action that feels coforta>le and ver fun when the fish sla the plu4.

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+his has >een a prett 4ood thread >ut 1 need to ta2e eception to thisN this thin2in45 13KSIO is>ac2wards.

Slower actions wor2 >est with fast5 short otions that load the rod deepl as soon as the hands

>e4in to ove. +he overhead 6oodsan's Chop is a>out the fastest and shortest stro2e one canuse for effective surfcastin4 and when properl eecuted5 with a slow action rod rated for thepaload5 the rod is nearl full copressed >efore the lure >e4ins to ove.

+he otions that wor2 >est for slow rods start so fast the have to end slower >ut the deepcopression easil soa2s up that slowin4 while aintainin4 contact with the paload and stillacceleratin4 the lure Aa4ain5 assuin4 ou are castin4 the proper wei4htH.

Fast action rods when cast with a snap otion also unload >ut with the rod not >ein4 deeplcopressed5 and the tip recover >ein4 fast5 contact with the paload is lost and acceleration islost. Fast actions perfor >est with lon4er stro2es5 ideall >e4innin4 with >od rotation ovin4the rod >efore the ars and then hands5 coe in. +hese otions start slow and end fasterN contact

with the paload is aintained and >ecause the application of ener4 is a constant >uildin4pro4ression5 acceleration is happenin4 throu4hout the entire otion.

1f ou are snap-castin4 a fast action rod 1 can 4uarantee it is unloadin4 >efore ou release5 to thepoint of de4radin4 if not destroin4 castin4 perforance., faster rod will cast farther when cast correctl. ,s 1 sa a>ove5 fast actions and =uic2 otionsare not optial. Stiffer >utt5 fast action rods respond to a lon4er stro2e that starts slow and ends

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faster Athe hitH. +his is a catapult otion that uses the rod as a lever and with the proper drop5 atre>uchet tpe of acceleration as the lure swin4s out and awa5 on a uch wider arc. +he slow /fast castin4 distance 4ap widens =uic2l eploin4 a hi4h-ener4 cast with a fast action rodAwhich does not ean ore effortH. O+OI5 usin4 a refined castin4 otion with a slow rod oftenhas the rod collapse when castin4 in the id to upper ratin4 of the rod. <enerall5 eploin4 hi4hener4 casts with slow rods re=uire ou to ove up in rod wei4ht ratin4N slowZer[ rods used intournaent castin4 a >are $oG sin2er li2e the YGiple 0rio Sncho are ecellent *-K-Jait rods

usin4 a fishin4 cast . . .,nd ost 4us who ove fro a slow rod to a faster action aren't >endin4 the new rod.


1 li2e and fish ore oderate rods. Spend a lot of tie on a roc2 where ou cant ove our feet 5the over head chop is the perfect cast for this situation and rod action. +he info on the fast rodunloadin4 >efore the cast is coplete is spot on 5 i see people do this all the tie. ou can feel arod load5 if that isnt happenin4 with our new fast action rod5 our doin4 it wron4.1 have cast and>uilt fast action rods and thats the wa the perfor5 its a different cast. Sae thin4 with the 4olfswin4 and 4olf shafts5 its not 8ust the clu> head speed that atters on a 4olf shaft5 its the 2ic2point5 which can deterine when the shaft will unload. 1f people are a2in4 a chan4e fro slow tofast or fast to slow action rods the need to learn how to cast the new action >efore a2in4 a

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1 learnt how to cast a fast action rod > ta2in4 it out and practicin4 with it. 1 could see that with the2ind of cast 1 was unwed to a2in4 with <SJ's there was not uch roo for error and there weresoe reall poor casts if tiin4 and techni=ue were not 4oos--the are less for4ivin4. 1 also>e4an to see that a lon4er and slower cast that accelerates near the end of the cast 8ust sees toload the rod >etter and produced ore distance. 1 had not 2nowled4e or theor a>out rodconstruction5 8ust own o>servations and feed>ac2 fro what felt ri4ht. 1 also 8ust found selfcastin4 a slower action rod li2e the C+S apor +rail differentl than faster action rods.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &%) of %$!/*/(

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1 a4ree with +re>lea2er a>out the apor +rail. 1've >een usin4 the ft in -" and "-D. 1 reall li2e iton a roc2 and find the to >e sensitive5 li4ht and ver versatile. 1 was in 3ontau2 this last wee2end

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<us who cast a fast action rod li2e the do a slow one will often sa5 it doesn't 'feel' ri4ht andthe are correct . . . >ecause the are castin4 it >ac2wards5 in fast5 out slow . . . +he rod is never4ettin4 full loaded and since that initial snap speed can't >e aintained throu4h the castin4otion5 whatever load was attained5 is lost as the rod unloads >efore the release.

ep ep5 let e 2now if our 4oin4 to >e around this wee2 end fishin4 has >een fun.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &%( of %$ hour5 % inutes a4o

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1 don't 2now what this thread is a>out; 1 don't care for the ost what rod 1 have5 it coes secondnature to e with the feel of the rod and e. Kothin4 else5 ou are the ost iportant part of thessteN ssteW rod5 line reel and ou5 so stop whinin4 and loo2 at the sste holisticall5 not

8ust the rod; ou can have the >est rod ade5 >ut if our not in tune with it5 ou suc2. Sees li2eou are helpin4 the industr5 > thin2in4 it is the rod5 in ost casese it is the hurler.Repl 7uote 3ulti

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1 don't 2now what this thread is a>out ; . . . Sees li2e ou are helpin4 the industr5 > thin2in4 itis the rod5 in ost cases5 it is the hurler.

,nd SO3E+13ES it's the 4u RE091K< to a thread5 after he sas5 1 don't 2now what this threadis a>out ; 5 and then offerin4 all tpes of CR1+1C1S3 and ,M1CE . . . 9O9 ; ; ;





















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9et's a2e it siple.... fast/ stiff surf rod e=ual >e4inner . Slow to oderate action rods with stron4>ac2 >one e=uals ore eperience surf an4ler.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &%# of (( hours5 "# inutes a4o

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9et's a2e it siple.... fast/ stiff surf rod e=ual >e4inner . Slow to oderate action rods with stron4>ac2 >one e=uals ore eperience surf an4ler.

,nd that >utt nu44et is what ou 4runt out as our first post?

Iere's repl to our lo4ic. . .

+here are those who 8ustifia>l use slow rods >ecause the tactics and techni=ues of a spot thefish force it Ae.4.5 perched on a roc2H.

+hen there are those who use slow rods >ecause the 8ust haven't ta2en the trainin4 wheels offand haven't >othered to learn how to cast or fi4ht a fish . . .

,llowin4 an ille4al ii4rant to sta in the US with anest and start the le4al ii4ration

processis li2e allowin4 a >an2 ro>>er to 4o free and 2eep the one as lon4 as he fills out a loan

application.

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9et's a2e it siple.... fast/ stiff surf rod e=ual >e4inner . Slow to oderate action rods with stron4>ac2 >one e=uals ore eperience surf an4ler.0ost count....% for .

6e eat cold eels and thin2 distant thou4hts. ac2 ohnson

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Over the ears 1 have >een fishin4 with a slow action surf rod. 3ost of the tie 1 throw chun2 >aitsand when 1 catch a ten pound plus fish that's 4oin4 to put up a decent fi4ht 1 can fish hi with ati4hter dra4 and control the fish. Usin4 a slow action rod 1 can't even turn the fish easier. 1 can witha slow action rod a2e hi run to the ri4ht or the left and even turn hi so he runs in direction. 1F and when i' throwin4 plu4 or spoons the are usuall three ounces or heavier. 1nthe past when 1 cau4ht a onster on a fast action rod it was a 4reat fi4ht >ut 1 felt that 1 wasn'tcontrollin4 the fish. 1t was <od 4uide this fish until 1 can cran2 it in. Everone has different fishin4

stles and strate4ies. ou have to feel coforta>le with the e=uipent and have confidence usin4our e=uipent.

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,nd that >utt nu44et is what ou 4runt out as our first post?

Iere's repl to our lo4ic. . .

+here are those who 8ustifia>l use slow rods >ecause the tactics and techni=ues of a spot thefish force it Ae.4.5 perched on a roc2H.

+hen there are those who use slow rods >ecause the 8ust haven't ta2en the trainin4 wheels offand haven't >othered to learn how to cast or fi4ht a fish . . .Repl 7uote 3ulti

























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1 ust adit that 1 still have trainin4 wheels on surf cart. Still learnin4 how to fish.

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+o descri>e actions5 thin2 of the leaf sprin4s on the suspension of a truc2. ou have one thatarches >ac2 all the wa to the frae5 then several that are flat and open. +he one with the archsipl stores ener4. Each one >eond it is desi4ned to receive and release pro4ressivel oreforce thou4h a sprin4 with a foot. +he inner ones are desi4ned to store power and release itslowl. +he outer ones store power and release it =uic2l. , oderate rod rese>les the inner

sprin4 with a saller foot and lon4er sprin4 and a fast rod acts li2e an outer sprin4- ore footthan sprin4.

1f it is a sprin45 and 1 reall want to load it up5 and roc2et a (oG wei4ht over the horiGon5 would 1 >e>etter off with a rod that >ends ore in the iddle with the load5 li2e a slow rod? 1s it the ore>end5 the ore sprin45 the ore ener4 in the final slin4 shot of the wei4ht? , 1 understandin4ou >oth correctl on this?

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no the aren't.

ta2e two rods of the sae len4th ade fro the sae =uantities of the sae aterials that deflectthe sae aount under a 4iven load and the faster actioned one is 4oin4 to >rea2 first if ou 2eepuppin4 the load. see post a>ove relatin4 to echanical advanta4e and decreasin4 the effectivelen4th of the lever.

thin2 a>out what ou do when ou want to >rea2 our line off - ou point the rod towards it. a slowrod flein4 into the >utt section is5 in effect5 doin4 the sae thin45 tranferrrin4 the load downtowards the stron4er section of the rod. a fast actioned rod cannot do this and is forced to >earthe full load up hi4h5 where it is wea2er.Repl 7uote 3ultipost &" of ($) inutes a4o

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1t reall coes down to preference and what 2ind of fishin4 ou are doin45 tpicall a slower rod

should throw less aerodnaic plu4s and >ait >etter since it won't cause the to tu>le as uch.1 have a s stealth that 1 fish for the a8orit of the ear it throws eels5 and swiers etreel well and with out uch effort. 3ore iportantl than slow or fast 1 see that an people arefishin4 a rod that is rated uch to hi4h for how the are fishin45 that is the rod is not loadin4enou4h for the wei4ht of whatever it is that the are throwin4. 1 a 4enerall fishin4 open >eachesand find that a rod rated in the -(oG ran4e does ver well for the plu4s 1 throw. 1f our rod isn'tloadin4 enou4h our essentiall doin4 all the wor2 to 4et the plu4 out there. 1f our rod loads5 therod is doin4 ore of the wor2 and ou eperience should >e ore pleasurea>le. 1 will sa that

what a rod is rated is not soethin4 set in stone5 these ratin4s var 4reatl >etween rodanufactures. +he >est wa to find a rod ou li2e >ein4 a>le to tr soethin4 out. 6hen ou 4et

ore eperienced ou will >e a>le to pic2 a rod up and 4et a prett 4ood idea of whether it is ri4htfor ou.

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,ction ratin4s. slow5 oderate5 fast etc.

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One anufacturer a rate a %ft rod >lan2 -oderate action -(oG5 ediu power. ,nd anotheranufacturer could rate a %ft rod the sae wa and the could >e entirel different anials thatis wh one can't >u a rod on ratin4s alone feel is everthin4. of course ou have a have a lot

of eperience with a particular anufacturer and 2now what their ratin4s ean to ou5 >ut 1 stillrecoend >ein4 a>le to phsicall hold the rod or >lan2 >efore purchase.

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1 still recoend >ein4 a>le to phsicall hold the rod or >lan2 >efore purchase.

,>solutel . . . 1f possi>le5 1 li2e to >e hands-on with as an eaples of the sae rod or >lan25>efore choosin4 the one with the a4ic . . . 3a4ic is soethin4 1 can't descri>e5 >ut when ouhandle a >unch of identical products5 it >ecoes apparent as soethin4 in the feel of it. Soepeople a thin2 1' craG5 >ut the evidence is there . . . +r it ourselves ;

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