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    My Small scale replication of EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN TP

    This is a 3/8 u bolt with 2 coils on it. The u bolt is 4.5 " long and 2" apart, the top bar is a 2 and 7/8" long 1/4 " key stock. The coils are rated

    for 24vdc, and measure 80 ohms each. that's all!

    See the document here

    Also see Here

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    09-08-2011, 10:00 PM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2011 10:32 PM by fastimports3.) Post: #2

    ~Russ Gries

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    Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material" Nikola Tesla

    Magnetic Flux Compression Generator (MFC Gen)

    Capable of generating power levels of multi-terawatts in tens of nanoseconds,

    Solid state device similar to Leedskalnin device which used the laws of inertia couple with Magnetic Current and Electron Phase Shift/Standing Wave.

    THE FUNDEMENTALS NEEDED

    Marko Rodin has discovered the source of the non-decaying spin of the electron. Although scientists know that all electrons in the universe spin, they have never

    discovered the source of this spin. Rodin has. He has discovered the underpinning geometry of the universe, the fabric of time i tself. He has done this by reducing

    all higher mathematics calculus, geometry, scalar math to discrete-number mathematics.

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    http://vortexmath.webs.com/

    Edward LEEDSKALNIN

    Magnetic Current

    http://www.rexresearch.com/leedskal/leedskal.htm

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    10-24-2011, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 10-24-2011 03:08 PM by freethisone.) Post: #3

    11-01-2011, 03:00 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2011 03:28 PM by freethisone.) Post: #4

    THE ELECTRON PHASE SHIFT

    http://glafreniere.com/sa_phaseshift.htm

    [Image: huygens00.gif]

    FLUX COMPRESSION GENERATOR

    http://reactor1967.fortunecity.com/freenergy.html

    High Energy Free Energy Generator - Fcg's being used for free energy. The USA military use this to power its high energy weapons. (Status classified by the USA)

    MAGNETIC PULSE COMPRESSION (MPC)

    Magnetic pulse compression utilizes reactors in conjunction with capacitors to shape input pulses into narrow output pulses of much higher current . MPC,therefore, allows the designer to use less expensive input switches with lower current ratings. MPC can also extend the lifetime of the input switch. Advanced MPC

    devices - capable of generating power levels of multi-terawatts in tens of nanoseconds - have been realized utilizing Metglas cores.

    http://www.metglas.com/products/page5_1_3.htm

    This product may require licensing for export outside the United States:

    Please visit the U.S. Dept of Commerce website to understand the necessary requirements. ( http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/index.htm#factsheets )

    Metglas, Inc. requests that the applications and approval accompany any request for samples, quotations, or purchase orders.

    Nothing is impossible, it is only wheather or or not it is probable in my time....

    Fastimports3

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    Great Thread.

    This must be looked into further. There is a field magnet effect, that must be in motion held by the PMH.

    A flowing sine wave of magnets, or pathway of electrical energy, that he tranfered by a wire to his coral blocks?

    Sooner or later we will figure it out. Thanks

    http://www.youtube.com/user/freethisone?feature=mhum

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    01-01-2012, 10:21 PM Post: #6

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    Hi Russ, Have you realized the reason he used a crank shaft encased in quartz crystal? was it to act as an insulator, or a source of energy?

    Also have you realized the need for the reciprocation motion of that crank shaft he employed for the generator devise found in his shed?

    My speculation is that he was doing exactly what you are doing in video 1, to establish, and then pull with great force the PMH off the devise as it rotated.

    A forceful moment of the magnetic domains in the iron bar. A back emf has a magnetic component i would suppose. The discovery of how to use the negative

    energy created from the back EMF .

    Is it the Same magnetic energy acting on my wire to create the self oscillation circuit i had discovered?

    What do you think Russ?

    Have you any additional information? thanks.

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    freethisone Wrote:

    Hi Russ, Have you realized the reason he used a crank shaft encased in quartz crystal? was it to act as an insulator, or a source of energy?

    Also have you realized the need for the reciprocation motion of that crank shaft he employed for the generator devise found in his shed?

    My speculation is that he was doing exactly what you are doing in video 1, to establish, and then pull with great force the PMH off the devise as it rotated.

    A forceful moment of the magnetic domains in the iron bar. A back emf has a magnetic component i would suppose. The discovery of how to use the negative

    energy created from the back EMF .

    Is it the Same magnetic energy acting on my wire to create the self oscillation circuit i had discovered?

    What do you think Russ?

    Have you any additional information? thanks.

    good question man! i really don't know. but its very interesting! Sweet 16!

    ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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    I thought this was an interesting theory. Had to share it.

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in

    high places.

    Ephesians 6:12

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    firepinto Wrote:

    I thought this was an interesting theory. Had to share it.

    great, sure he is on to something, and can easily be tested..

    A wheel in a wheel. I liked the information he has on the pole star.

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    (01-01-2012 10:21 PM)

    01-20-2012, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 01-21-2012 02:11 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985.) Post: #9

    This must be correct? Why has the truth been hidden? pole star, earth orbit.

    looking east. I love a good mystery. thanks for the link....

    http://www.youtube.com/user/freethisone?feature=mhum

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    freethisone Wrote:

    firepinto Wrote:

    I thought this was an interesting theory. Had to share it.

    great, sure he is on to something, and can easily be tested..

    A wheel in a wheel. I liked the information he has on the pole star.

    This must be correct? Why has the truth been hidden? pole star, earth orbit.

    looking east. I love a good mystery. thanks for the link....

    yep! he is going to test these theory... lets wait and see and some one keep posting his updates here? or invite him over to post here... thanks!!! ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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    I wanted to add one of his earlier vids also

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    interesting thing here: http://mikezone.i8.com/main.html

    enjoy, ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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    Hey Russ, can you prove a theory to me? If you touch a VOM (or some other measuring device) to the conductors in the coils, does the magnet go back to the

    'soft' attractive state? I'm thinking that any chance for that tiny current running in those coils to go to ground (including through a test probe) will basically 'kill'

    the current flow through the PMH.

    Thanks,

    Derrick

    EDIT: I have the Leedskalnin pamphlets. Interesting reading for sure...

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    03-10-2012, 01:58 PM (This post was last modified: 03-10-2012 09:47 PM by Blazer.) Post: #13

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    BaronBassman Wrote:

    Hey Russ, can you prove a theory to me? If you touch a VOM (or some other measuring device) to the conductors in the coils, does the magnet go back to the

    'soft' attractive state? I'm thinking that any chance for that tiny current running in those coils to go to ground (including through a test probe) will basically 'kill'

    the current flow through the PMH.

    Thanks,

    Derrick

    EDIT: I have the Leedskalnin pamphlets. Interesting reading for sure...

    Is mercury, on both an elemental and compound basis, a material that could be magnetized?

    - Natalie

    Florida, USA

    A:

    At room temperature, the element mercury is not very magnetic at all. It has a very small, negative magnetic susceptibility, meaning that when you put mercury in

    a magnetic field, it magnetizes just a little tiny bit in the opposite direction. We say that mercury is a weakly diamagnetic substance at room temperature.

    Many compounds containing mercury are also weak diamagnets, but some are a little stronger than mercury itself. It probably is possible to make an alloy of iron

    and mercury which is magnetizable, but that wouldn't be the mercury's doing.

    Mercury is much more interesting magnetically at very low temperatures. At temperatures below about 4 degrees Kelvin, elemental mercury becomes a

    superconductor. In fact, superconductivity was discovered by Kamerlingh Onnes in 1911 by studying mercury at low temperatures.

    Superconductors generally expel magnetic fields, so you could say that below 4 K, mercury is a perfect diamagnet. To expel a magnetic field from a material, a

    canceling field must be created by that material with currents flowing on the surface. These currents flow with no resistance in superconductors.

    You can also make a permanent magnet out of a loop of superconducting mercury. Simply cool down a loop of mercury in an external magnetic field (the

    temperature at which the mercury will superconduct will get lower as the applied field gets stronger). After the mercury becomes superconducting, it locks in the

    total magnetic flux through the loop. Switch off the external magnetic field, and a persistent current will flow around the mercury loop, making a permanent

    magnetic field.

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    securesupplies Wrote:

    BaronBassman Wrote:

    Hey Russ, can you prove a theory to me? If you touch a VOM (or some other measuring device) to the conductors in the coils, does the magnet go back to the

    'soft' attractive state? I'm thinking that any chance for that tiny current running in those coils to go to ground (including through a test probe) will basically

    'kill' the current flow through the PMH.

    Thanks,

    Derrick

    EDIT: I have the Leedskalnin pamphlets. Interesting reading for sure...

    Is mercury, on both an elemental and compound basis, a material that could be magnetized?

    - Natalie

    Florida, USA

    A:

    At room temperature, the element mercury is not very magnetic at all. It has a very small, negative magnetic susceptibility, meaning that when you put mercury

    in a magnetic field, it magnetizes just a l ittle tiny bit in the opposite direction. We say that mercury is a weakly diamagnetic substance at room temperature.

    Many compounds containing mercury are also weak diamagnets, but some are a little stronger than mercury itself. It probably is possible to make an alloy of

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    iron and mercury which is magnetizable, but that wouldn't be the mercury's doing.

    Mercury is much more interesting magnetically at very low temperatures. At temperatures below about 4 degrees Kelvin, elemental mercury becomes a

    superconductor. In fact, superconductivity was discovered by Kamerlingh Onnes in 1911 by studying mercury at low temperatures.

    Superconductors generally expel magnetic fields, so you could say that below 4 K, mercury is a perfect diamagnet. To expel a magnetic field from a material, a

    canceling field must be created by that material with currents flowing on the surface. These currents flow with no resistance in superconductors.

    You can also make a permanent magnet out of a loop of superconducting mercury. Simply cool down a loop of mercury in an external magnetic field (the

    temperature at which the mercury will superconduct will get lower as the applied field gets stronger). After the mercury becomes superconducting, it locks in the

    total magnetic flux through the loop. Switch off the external magnetic field, and a persistent current will flow around the mercury loop, making a permanent

    magnetic field.

    Dan Winter says plasma is fractal and Jason says vortexs are absent of heat at the end in other words absolute zero then is it possible to charge mercury with a

    plasma? I wonder if Stan used any mercury in the center of his inside tube? I wonder if Stan used a mercury vapor as his magnetic gas? I wonder if he could have

    vortexed them in opposite directions thru the tubes till they met each other?

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    Well after 2 years it's finally time!

    Here is the 2 year test of the PMH

    Enjoy! ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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    08-22-2012, 04:24 PM Post: #17

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    ~Russ/Rwg42985 Wrote:

    Well after 2 years it's finally time!

    Here is the 2 year test of the PMH

    Enjoy! ~Russ

    hey russ... great work. and this i s a very nice forum you have hear.

    i put up a few comments on your pmh work on youtube. there is a lot more i'd like to share as well, especially if people here are trying to replicate ed's work. i've

    done some very intense research into trying to sift through most of the misinfrmation on the net about ed...

    keep up the great work brother!

    Bless

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    Hey Russ

    2 years and still holds and lights is awesome!

    If you are interested I was wondering what would happen if instead of the LEDs maybe hook up a volt meter. I would be curious if 9 volt was put into the coils

    then how much voltage would be recovered when you brake the metal connection.

    Same volts in and same volts out would interesting but what if more volts out then put in?

    If your V meter has it then data hold for testing.

    element 119

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    element 119 Wrote:

    Hey Russ

    2 years and still holds and lights is awesome!

    If you are interested I was wondering what would happen if instead of the LEDs maybe hook up a volt meter. I would be curious if 9 volt was put into the coils

    then how much voltage would be recovered when you brake the metal connection.

    Same volts in and same volts out would interesting but what if more volts out then put in?

    If your V meter has it then data hold for testing.

    element 119

    Hey Russ Great thread and thanks for the link to jason verbelli's channel he's nearly as inspirational as you

    I too would like to know what voltage and current you are getting out if you feed in 9 volts... Also if there is an energy flowing round the PMH with no power

    connected is it inducing anything in the coils ?? can you test this with a DVM/Scope etc ??

    I can see a PMH/EPG hybrid here ...You just charge it and it runs for 2 years....... or more!

    Great work Russ i cant wait for the next video .

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    Today I watched Russ's video on his P.M.H. and I was inspired to build one myself. I found a 5/16 u bolt and welded 4 washers to it to wrap my coils between . I

    used telephone hookup wire, each coil has 189 wraps , both coils measure .8 ohms. I used a piece of old motor shaft key stock for the metal to bridge the gap in

    u bolt. After I figured out which end of either coil needed to be connected I charged the other 2 coil leads with a fresh 9v and it works great. I can't wait to run

    some tests.

    The first thing I noticed was once charged and the metal is pulled off giving the coil the same polarity charge seems to result in a weaker hold as opposed to

    reversing the battery polarity every time I energize the coil. I plan on confirming this and running a few other tests. I made a trip to Ed's Coral Castle a few years

    back and I am fascinated at his work. Here is a p ic of my build, later guys.

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    logos Wrote:

    ~Russ/Rwg42985 Wrote:

    Well after 2 years it's finally time!

    Here is the 2 year test of the PMH

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    Enjoy! ~Russ

    hey russ... great work. and this is a very nice forum you have hear.

    i put up a few comments on your pmh work on youtube. there is a lot more i'd like to share as well, especially if people here are trying to replicate ed's work.

    i've done some very intense research into trying to sift through most of the misinfrmation on the net about ed...

    keep up the great work brother!

    Bless

    hey yeas. please do share and we all can learn! thats what its about!!!

    also, if me and Jason can get with you and chat that would be cool as well!

    send me a PM.

    do post your thoughts here for all to see! and discuss!

    Thanks! ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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    RE: Edward Leedskalnin TPU

    element 119 Wrote:

    Hey Russ

    2 years and still holds and lights is awesome!

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    If you are interested I was wondering what would happen if instead of the LEDs maybe hook up a volt meter. I would be curious if 9 volt was put into the coils

    then how much voltage would be recovered when you brake the metal connection.

    Same volts in and same volts out would interesting but what if more volts out then put in?

    If your V meter has it then data hold for testing.

    element 119

    check the old videos... already did that one. see first post.

    also. its less... posting a video on this now... thanks! ~Russ

    "I had to go to a source of power greater than Stan Meyer in order to try and bring in this form of technology. And the Lord said that this knowledge of pertaining to water when he was talking to Job and he asked Job the question. He

    said, "Job have you ever considered the treasures of snow or have you ever considered the treasures of Hell which I have reserved against the time or trouble against battle and war". And the reason I am here today is that the multi

    international corporate structures can't bring in this type of technology, the Federal governments cannot bring in this technology, it has to come through an individual such as myself and it has to move through you and I. So as I impart

    this technology onto you, then you have a responsibility to it. This technology must get in through the people or otherwise it will not go forward." - Stan Meyer

    "We can demonstrate the technology. We can say its here but in actuality it will not be Stan Meyers to bring it in. It will be either you or I, the guy down the street, who will come together to bring it in. Otherwise, I do not believe an

    alternate energy source, whether water fuel cell or other, would ever come in. Its going to have to be mandated by the people to try to reverse the environmental problems, the environmental damage, thats actually occurring. - Stan

    Meyer, 1997"

    "If you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see." ~Russ Gries

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