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arubalou Junior Member
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Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco
From: Christopher Becker
[email protected], [email protected]
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:17
Dear ,
Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from
someone inm New Jersey just last week.
We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the
following:
1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We
have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been
supplied to them.
2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and "opinions"
notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this movement
regarding the types of problems you have described. After hundreds of thousands,
we think we would have by now if there were actually issues.
3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded
to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen "duplicates" of our modules
in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well
not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to
compare it to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed
through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were subject to.
4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their reaction to your e-
mail, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with the modules to determine their
origin (see 3) above) and initial sales point (both of which we can do). As you and
your members are surely also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and
can de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to
components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly.
5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have reason to have
had, any "loud conversation" with Dubois-Depraz since he is not even a customer. I
would be very surprised if he or anyone from his company publicly blamed DD for
something of that nature as claimed; it is not his style as I have known him.
Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be
advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information,
before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network.
You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping
us informed of these events.
Kind regards,
Chris Becker
Business Development Manager--Americas
Dubois-Depraz SA
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How many times does this have to be posted? Geeze!
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!! So does this mean invicta customers have been lied to yet again?? I
would really like to see a response to this, but something tells me this thread won't
last. sunaru
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I really do not believe it, sorry. I would think Eyal is known by most in the watch
industry that is why I feel the above is BS.
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Originally Posted by vbobdriveguy
How many times does this have to be posted? Geeze!
I think people have been reposting this because it has been deleted numerous times
already and the posters as I understand have been banned by admin. I think they feel
that the site maybe has something to hide. Personally, I feel admin should have
posted this e-mail with some type of disclaimer stating they are aware of this, believe
it is a fake and will get to the bottom of it. I think that maybe would have been a
better way to deal with it instead, this site and especially Invicta is getting hammered
on other watch sites.
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I can make a email for you if you would like, just tell me what you want it too say and
I will create it for you!
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WOW? I hope we all can get some clarification on this & if not, I will no longer be a
Invicta buyer.
If this is swept under the carpet, that would be insulting to me as a loyal Invicta
buyer.
I would like answers on this, as I have this model & for now I will hold judgement
until further info is giving if this is legit or not?
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I CAN not rationalize a company the size of Invicta ..LYING or out and out DUPING
their customers ..how would they benefit by this they would lose all credibility not to
mention the lawsuits to follow ...how many times have you heard of this kind of
SKULDUGGERY occurring in capitalism.....as for that e-mail.. somebody may claim to
have more information than they actually do ... there is much more that has to be
disclosed before anybody can judge....
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I can make a email for you if you would like, just tell me what you want it too say
and I will create it for you!
Ron thats not the only email out there from DD. They both have been deleted.
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This is the first time I have seen this. WOW. I do find it hard to believe that Invicta
would be using a bogus movement, airing it on national tv, and no one from the DD
world, or other watch company would know about it. It would be a red flag to
someone when they heard that.
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Ron thats not the only email out there from DD. They both have been deleted.
I can make you several if you would like! How many is it that you need?
P.S. lets just say that the email is Original, what does this really mean other then
Invicta didnt buy it from DD direct. Is that a crime? I bought a brand new Hummer
from a non Hummer dealer, does that make my Hummer not a Hummer? When Lior
brings Movado to Shop he does not buy them from Movado are they not really
Movado's?
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This is the first time I have seen this. WOW. I do find it hard to believe that Invicta
would be using a bogus movement, airing it on national tv, and no one from the DD
world, or other watch company would know about it. It would be a red flag to
someone when they heard that.
I agree. That's the 1st thing I thought of because someone from that company would
eventually find out. A more plausible explanation is that Eyal purchased these
movements more cheaply from a vendor claiming they were DD movements.
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Originally Posted by RipitRon
I can make you several if you would like! How many is it that you need?
P.S. lets just say that the email is Original, what does this really mean other then
Invicta didnt buy it from DD direct. Is that a crime? I bought a brand new Hummer
from a non Hummer dealer, does that make my Hummer not a Hummer? When Lior
brings Movado to Shop he does not buy them from Movado are they not really
Movado's?
I dont have a dog in this fight but if I did I would be concerned. Your Hummer would
have disclosed where the original car came from or you probably dont care about that
either.Also if you opened the hood and found a Hyundai engine inside then I would
think you would care then.There are members here that bought this piece under the
premise that the movement came straight from DD.I think they have a right to know
what exactly these are.
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THis smacks of BS to me.
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Originally Posted by reliefcp
I dont have a dog in this fight but if I did I would be concerned. Your Hummer would
have disclosed where the original car came from or you probably dont care about
that either.Also if you opened the hood and found a Hyundai engine inside then I
would think you would care then.There are members here that bought this piece
under the premise that the movement came straight from DD.I think they have a
right to know what exactly these are.
Eloquently stated and I agree 100%.
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I dont have a dog in this fight but if I did I would be concerned. Your Hummer would
have disclosed where the original car came from or you probably dont care about
that either.Also if you opened the hood and found a Hyundai engine inside then I
would think you would care then.There are members here that bought this piece
under the premise that the movement came straight from DD.I think they have a
right to know what exactly these are.
I think you made the Perfect statement " There are members here that bought this
piece under the PREMISE that the movement came strait from DD"
The ole "Ass of U and me" Deal
P.S. 6.0 L Chevy Motor and Hyundai motor on the same level IMHO!!!
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Originally Posted by RipitRon
I can make you several if you would like! How many is it that you need?
P.S. lets just say that the email is Original, what does this really mean other then
Invicta didnt buy it from DD direct. Is that a crime? I bought a brand new Hummer
from a non Hummer dealer, does that make my Hummer not a Hummer? When Lior
brings Movado to Shop he does not buy them from Movado are they not really
Movado's?
Ron here is the problem with your analogy. Assuming these are real DD movements
bought 3rd party of course and not worse.....
Eyal specifically mentioned on air several times how "special" a watch company needs
to be to even be able to get these movements from DD. I specifically remember
words like "what an honor" it is to even have DD sell to you.
Then there was the follow up from Jim and Michael, stuff like:
"He has had many conference calls with the folks at D-D and they are jointly looking
into the issue."
"Dubois-Dupraz is working with us directly on a case by case basis to identify and
correct the issues with each of the watches."
"Invicta had several large scale projects in the works with D-D that are now ON HOLD
until Eyal sees that D-D can take care of this issue."
"All involved believe the issue is a D-D issue."
Either way we will find out soon enough. I don't think the email is bogus regardless of
who sent it and several people on other forums who are industry insiders have
verified the names from DD on the email are legit. But it might be Mr. Carney was out
of the loop on this deal perhaps. I imagine DD's email boxes are full right now, by
early this week we should have all the answers straight from DD. Kahuna Cowboy
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i thnik mike should email eyal and eyal should inform watch geeks this is a serious
situation eric rastafadda1953
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reddog1
I CAN not rationalize a company the size of Invicta ..LYING or out and out DUPING
their customers ..how would they benefit by this they would lose all credibility not to
mention the lawsuits to follow ...how many times have you heard of this kind of
SKULDUGGERY occurring in capitalism.....as for that e-mail.. somebody may claim
to have more information than they actually do ... there is much more that has to
be disclosed before anybody can judge....
I understand what your saying, but companies and organizations lie all the time. Hell
did we ever find those WMD's???? Ummm didn't we just find out invictas definiton of
"swiss made"? This email may or may not be real but I light of recent events thing are
not looking to good on invicta's end.
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I am not an Invicta apologist by any means. That being said, manufacturers and
retailers often buy products from outside sources (middlemen) other than the direct
manufacturer. It occurs ALL the time. I highly doubt that these movements are
anything other than true DDs purchased from someone other than the manufacturer.
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I dont have a dog in this fight but if I did I would be concerned. Your Hummer would
have disclosed where the original car came from or you probably dont care about
that either.Also if you opened the hood and found a Hyundai engine inside then I
would think you would care then.There are members here that bought this piece
under the premise that the movement came straight from DD.I think they have a
right to know what exactly these are.
i agree 100%.......this is disturbing....either way......i hope every one involved gets
satisfaction.....
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I am not an Invicta apologist by any means. That being said, manufacturers and
retailers often buy products from outside sources (middlemen) other than the direct
manufacturer. It occurs ALL the time. I highly doubt that these movements are
anything other than true DDs purchased from someone other than the
manufacturer.
Thing is Eyal said on air numerous times the movements were aquired directly from
DD. So there are no third parties involved here. sunaru
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I really do not believe it, sorry. I would think Eyal is known by most in the watch
industry that is why I feel the above is BS.
if there wasn't a hint of truth Invicta would have come out and directly addressed the
email/problem. By continually deleting the posts and banning the posters, it shows
they have something to hide. Why the secrecy? the best way to deal with a problem is
to show it the light instead of hiding in the dark. And all of you that dismiss it out of
hand, best to remember Richard Nixon caught more hell for the cover up than the
actual crime. Geoff150
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Originally Posted by RipitRon
I can make you several if you would like! How many is it that you need?
P.S. lets just say that the email is Original, what does this really mean other then
Invicta didnt buy it from DD direct. Is that a crime? I bought a brand new Hummer
from a non Hummer dealer, does that make my Hummer not a Hummer? When Lior
brings Movado to Shop he does not buy them from Movado are they not really
Movado's?
If they weren't bought from DD and they have no knowlege of the problem, how can
you be working with them to correct it
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I think you made the Perfect statement " There are
members here that bought this piece under the PREMISE
that the movement came strait from DD"
The ole "Ass of U and me" Deal
P.S. 6.0 L Chevy Motor and Hyundai motor on the same
level IMHO!!!
negative!!! When it came straight from Eyals mouth that
he got
the movements directly from DD there is nothing to ass u
me.
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Thing is Eyal said on air numerous times the movements were aquired directly from
DD. So there are no third parties involved here.
Fair enough. So it is possible that buyers were misled, which isn't right. But I still
doubt that they aren't true DD movements. But if they are copies or fakes... Invicta
just took a huge step backwards.
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negative!!! When it came straight from Eyals mouth that he got
the movements directly from DD there is nothing to ass u me.
Well there you go, where is the Rope, lets hang him up sense he is Guilty because of
this email.
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You guys know that the OP of the thread which contained this "letter" was not actual
recipient. That he got off of another website?
Just thought I would point that out as I read the original thread.
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You guys know that the OP of the thread which contained this "letter" was not actual
recipient. That he got off of another website?
Just thought I would point that out as I read the original thread.
since the actual recipient of the email has been banned someone ese has to post it.
Sounds to me as if someone has something to hide
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why does it keep getting deleted? if the the powers that be werent so trying so hard
to cover it up, people wouldnt be posting the same thing over and over again.
Or
Maybe it is all bogus info and has no place here?
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Originally Posted by RipitRon
Or
Maybe it is all bogus info and has no place here?
If it were all bogus why hasn't it publicly addressed itstead of being swept under the
rug
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Or
Maybe it is all bogus info and has no place here?
Wouldn't it be better to lock it after saying it is bogus though?
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This email originated on a site run by banned members and copied to another site run
by banned members who are keeping tallying as to how many times it is posted and
deleted. I think the hoax/fake possibility is very high on this one. Look at all of the
other posts from the OP. Seems to be someone who joined to start threads about
Invicta,
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Again?..... Welp lets hope the buyers of these pieces get resolution..as stated by my
buddy c.j. I have no dog in this fight but those that do deserve a response
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Wouldn't it be better to lock it after saying it is bogus though?
again only if you're hiding something. its like its my ball and i'm goig home because i
dont like your rules. i wanna play by my rules. i am allowed to state anything i want
and you are not allowed to debate or challenge what i say. after all this not a free and
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again only if you're hiding something. its like its my ball and i'm goig home because
i dont like your rules. i wanna play by my rules. i am allowed to state anything i
want and you are not allowed to debate or challenge what i say. after all this not a
free and open society
I'm saying it would be better to lock it rather than just deleting it. Personally, I think
it should be left open until some resolution is come to. Is it true or not?
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#39
Today, 07:59 AM
aztecknight Junior Member New Geek
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To those who doubt the veracity of the email, email [email protected]. I
have an email from then telling me pretty much the same thing. They didn't know
what the hell I was talking about. I post later. I'm on cell so its hard to do. I can
forward to someone if they'll post it for me.
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#40
Today, 08:00 AM
buddah00 Senior Member
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This thread will be closed shortly too. I was in the middle of posting in a similar thread yesterday & when I hit submit the thread was closed.
I feel sorry for the people who purchased one of these and are now faced with these questions. I ordered then cancelled, ordered and cancelled this watch three times. I am thankful that I did not order it.
The owners of the watches have a right to know what they purchased and it should be addressed immediately.
I also feel for Jim, I believe that he is a man with integrity and I am sure he doesn’t appreciate his name being associated with all this drama.
Yesterday in one of the threads that was deleted someone posted something along these lines.
If Invicta stated on the air that these were from DD and had Jim relay this information to the board:
"He has had many conference calls with the folks at D-D and they are jointly looking into the issue."
"Dubois-Dupraz is working with us directly on a case by case basis to identify and correct the issues with each of the watches."
"Invicta had several large scale projects in the works with D-D that are now ON HOLD until Eyal sees that D-D can take care of this issue."
"All involved believe the issue is a D-D issue."
Then it is reasonable to question all of Invicta’s movements especially the 7750, SW200 etc.
That would mean there could be many more of us with a dog in this fight.
I hope he was wrong as I own several of them.
Once your integrity has been compromised it is hard if not impossible to regain your standing.
I am not passing judgement or assuming anything however there is clearly an issue that needs to be addressed. I have many Invictas, I just got two SANIV’s in on Friday.
I HOPE this is a misunderstanding, only time will tell.
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I want what every other man want's, I Just want it MORE! buddah00
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#41
Today, 08:01 AM
hitch Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GunMetal
This is the first time I have seen this. WOW. I do find it hard to believe that Invicta
would be using a bogus movement, airing it on national tv, and no one from the DD
world, or other watch company would know about it. It would be a red flag to
someone when they heard that.
This is news for me. I check in regularly and never saw this before. So thanx to the
OP.
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#42
Today, 08:05 AM
WiZKiD... Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freej5050
one easy solution: email DD yourself
i didnt purchase one either but i agree that if any one here
did, they should email DD themselves and that would
squash the bs... since the emails from DD look legitimate
as someone stated earlier... instead of goin back and forth
with each other and all this hostility being tossed around,
get your own response... just my 2 cents.... its that
simple... thats what i would've done had i bought one... WiZKiD...
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#43
Today, 08:07 AM
aztecknight Junior Member
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Exactly what I did.
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#44
Today, 08:12 AM
bwag829 Senior Member
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IMO if the e mail was fake Jim, MD, or Eyal would post a letter from DD stating the
movements are theirs and they are working with Invicta to get this resolved. IMO.