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Postby Naim88 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:59 pm

As-Salaam-Alaikum

To You All!

The NOI doctrine, esp. in this respect pertaining to Moses, is greatly flawed, Beloved. NOI Muslims

should not blame the White man for anything wicked or evil since he was taught everything he knows of

wickedness by a Black man on the divine orders of Allah. Hell, the White man was taught tricknology by

a Black man (Musa) and was created by a Black man (Yakub) according to NOI rhetoric; so intelligence

and reason alone dictate that you cannot blame the White man for anything wicked and that true blame

lies on none other than the Black man and God Almighty himself.

The White man is a great keeper of history, especially his own (just like the ancient people of Khemet).

You won't find any story like those told by the NOI anywhere outisde of NOI circles and theology. And i

can say the same thing about Christianity and Judaism.

NOI Muslims are too arrogant and rigid to admit and state that their Musa story is THEIR own personal

concoction and belief, rather than putting the story off and out as objective history that everybody else

doesn't know about except them, which gives them a false air of superiority and supremacy due to

knowing something everybody does not know.

Even if their Musa story was true, still, in 2007, they lack the capabilities to successfully and thoroughly

deal with the results of what Musa and Allah are responsible for -- the White man's wickedness

throughout the Earth.



Beware of NOI and all religious doctrine, for that matter, as they teach blame and escapism (from

personal responsibility), as well as subtle and covert (which is really overt) Black inferiority and

wickedness. Remember, Yakub (the deformed, big-headed pseudo scientist), Shabazz (the deranged

scientist and lunatic cult leader), Musa (the trickster and teacher of wickedness, lies, and deception),

and that crazy azz scientist who allegedly blew up the moon (like Melvin the Martian of Bugs Bunny

fame), were all BLACK according to NOI mythology, doctrine, and rhetoric....."

Bro. Naim88 writes: This is why the Messenger of Allah, Elijah Muhammad would state to the believers

in the teachings to stay away from hypocrites and disbelievers or from those who are even asinine.

I love the spirit of Bro. Djehuty and greatly respect his intelligence but our brother doesn't know Islam as

taught by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad and just by looking at what he's printed will prove that. Or it will

prove that he honestly has a problem with the teachings of the Messenger of Allah, Elijah Muhammad

and Allah, Master Fard Muhammad.

Bro. Djehuty wrote: "..... Crowley, a master magician, even admits in his book: "Magic (Book IV)" that

"The devil does not even exist and that there is only once force or energy in the Universe and all comes

from this one energy; and there is no separation of good and bad because it all comes from one,

corresponding to Isaiah 45:7 in re God being the author of good and evil."

Bro. Naim88 writes: Here he says that the Master Magician, Crowley in his book Titled: "Magic (Book

IV)" "....there is only once force or energy in the Universe and all comes from this one energy;..."

Well can anyone show me where the Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad has lied or incorrectly

taught his followers on this subject?

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad has taught consistently that the Black Man is the first man in the universe

and all life which is energy came from him. He then stated that Yakub being an original man made Devil,

just 6000 years ago, who isn't an original man.

Now the explanation given by the Messenger of Allah, Elijah Muhammad seems to bears witness, better

yet what Master Magician, Crowley wrote bears witness to what the Messenger taught over a 40 year

period.



The Messenger stated that all live came from the original man who is the Asiatic Black Man and in

particularly or specifically the Tribe of Shabazz.

Bro. Djehuty wrote:"....the White man was taught tricknology by a Black man (Musa) and was created by

a Black man (Yakub) according to NOI rhetoric; so intelligence and reason alone dictate that you cannotblame the White man for anything wicked and that true blame lies on none other than the Black man

and God Almighty himself...."

Naim88 writes: In his Saviour Day Address the Messenger came at the audience with similar words. The

Messenger stated "....that we don't make mockery of the devil because if we gonna make mockery of

someone we should look at ourselves..."

The Messenger already explained this a way but he also taught how the devil is a complete or should Istate really an incomplete man unto himself. He called the process, grafting, really the science that was

used is now labeled 50 years later as genetic engineering and it is under the psuedonym in the bible as

Genesis or Genetics. We can go into the sciences that shown in the this chapter to prove the Messenger

never lied or concocted a story of such proportion as has been alluded too.

Bro. Djehuty wrote: "The White man is a great keeper of history, especially his own (just like the ancient

people of Khemet). You won't find any story like those told by the NOI anywhere outisde of NOI circles

and theology. And i can say the same thing about Christianity and Judaism."

Naim88 writes: Beloved this is an subjective point of view because unless you can prove that the

Theology of Islam as taught by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is a hoax or a lie and the facts stated by him

from the Lord of All The Worlds, Master Fard Muhammad isn't from the Glorious Qur'an held by 12

Major Imams then you are just plain wrong.

Furthermore it has been proved to many times over and not by the followers of the Messenger that the

Holy Bible under Christianity has been tampered with. If the History of the Devil is so accurate there

wouldn't be so many revised editions of the Holy Bible.

Bro. Djehuty wrote: "....NOI Muslims are too arrogant and rigid to admit and state that their Musa story

is THEIR own personal concoction and belief, rather than putting the story off and out as objective

history that everybody else doesn't know about except them, which gives them a false air of superiority

and supremacy due to knowing something everybody does not know."



Naim88 writes: This would appear to me, I'll preface this by stating maybe I'm wrong, that you've got

more respect for other than anyone coming up out of the mud civilization because their writing has

some time to it.

When you state that there is no objective history to the story of Yakub this can't be coming from you sirbased on the 40 years experience or history that the Messenger has left all who care to study his works.

Nations sent their diplomats for such CONCOCTED stories as you imply the very muslims in the East

came to sit and listen to this man teachings on Yakub and the making of the Devil and the real history of

Musa as you've stated.

The Messenger said this not just to the downtrodden black man in North America that he was and is the

Muhammad of the Holy Qur'an ecetera and a man like Moses he made this statement to the worldbeloved. You never saw the muslim world cry bloody Jihad as they do with those who put books out

against Islam as given to them by Prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

Bro. Djehuty wrote: "Beware of NOI and all religious doctrine, for that matter, as they teach blame and

escapism (from personal responsibility), as well as subtle and covert (which is really overt) Black

inferiority and wickedness. Remember, Yakub (the deformed, big-headed pseudo scientist), Shabazz (the

deranged scientist and lunatic cult leader), Musa (the trickster and teacher of wickedness, lies, and

deception), and that crazy azz scientist who allegedly blew up the moon (like Melvin the Martian of Bugs

Bunny fame), were all BLACK according to NOI mythology, doctrine, and rhetoric....."

Bro. Naim88 writes: This can't be coming from such a scholar as yourself particularly with your acumen.

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad stated that Islam isn't a religion and never was a religion. Just because the

devil once to call Islam a religion doesn't make it a religion.

You can't believe any of the teachings of the Messenger and remember he said they are teachings but

you can believe that a burning bush spoke to Moses. Jesus was killed and came back not as a bee, bird

or flower but as himself again according to Christian theology. As far as Judaism is concern they have

their own symbols for instance a snake in the religion of Judaism represents wisdom. I won't go into itbut I can definately prove as the Messenger stated "....that in the Holy Bible were it states that the one

who comes from God wisdom they (scholars of this world) shut their mouths at him..." This can be place

according to the scholars of Judaism at the feet of the Messenger when he argued against the snakes

(scientists and theologians) on the origin of the original man, its planets and who is the first god in the

sun. This is what is their when Pharoah and his scribes attack Moses/Musa and place his snakes against

Moses but his ate theirs up.



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Postby Djehuty » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:14 pm

Peace, Good Brother Naim88!

I greatly appreciate your feedback, Good Brother, as well as your spirit which has always humbled me

and made me recognize with great admiration and respect. A great and true and rare Muslim quality in

you, Good Brother, and I give you your props, Beloved.

No, Good Brother, I don't have a problem with Elijah Muhammad or Fard Muhamamd, just what they

taught; not every single thing they taught, but A LOT of what they taught.

Beloved, like the Christians, you are using the Teachings as authority and criterion and that is subjective

because I'm asking for or requirung things (facts, evidence, proof) outside of the NOI Teachings to

corroborate, substantiate, or buttress what the NOI Teaches pertaining to actual history.

You can't use the Teachings to defend the Teachings and the Teachings cannot serve as a historical basis

or source to substantiate the history purported by the NOI vai its teachings. The NOI Teachings itself

cannot be the yardstick for which the teachings are to be measured against actual history.

What I'm saying, Beloved, is that the NOI offers no outside proof of what it purports and this is what

makes the NOI Teachings SUBJECTIVE.



The problem, which I will call it such for sake of argument, I have with the NOI is that instead of

purporting its doctrine and theology as SUBJECTIVE (clearly predicated upon belief), it shoots off at the

mouth as though its doctrine and rhetoric is OBJECTIVE, but everyone outside of the NOI doesn't know,

despite the objectivity, which makes something wrong with them (e.g., ignorant, incompetent, in-the-

dark, etc.). I could say the same thing about Christianity, Beloved. Christians will argue biblical history

using the Bible itself as the measure, which is nullifying and forfeiting in and of itself. It is irrational to do

such, at least within intelligent and objective standards of debate.

I'm saying the NOI does not offer any OUTSIDE and impartial evidence or proof to substantiate many of

its historical teachings, and if I am mistaken (as I purportedly do not know the Teachings according to

many NOI-ites), then please provide me with sources that do not speak in cryptic language that bear

witness to and which substantiates the Teachings in pellucid fashion so as to prevent doubt, skepticism,

etc.

All I'm asking is: outside of NOI Theology (Message to the Black Man; Our Savior Has Arrived, etc.) what

sources substantiate the following:

1. A Black man making our moon from an insane attempt of trying to blow up the earth.

2. A Black man named Musa freeing White people out of caves and teaching them tricknology and

deception.

3. A Black man named Yakub creating the White race on an island named Patmos.

4. A self-hating and deranged Black man named Shabazz leading our ancestors into the jungles of Africa

to prepare them for jungle life and as a result created our modern-day hallmark features (e.g. broad

nose, protruding lips, coarse-helixical hair, etc.).

5. Jesus being stabbed through the heart by a soldier.

6. The grafted white navy bean is the BEST food one could eat.



These teachings are clearly endemic, endogenous, and exclusive to the NOI. They are clearly SUBJECTIVE

and not OBJECTIVE.

I can't negate truth because a White man utters it. Truth is blindfolded to race, color, creed, or

nationality. In my opinion, Crowley (as well as Theosophists) came with that which is much deeper thanElijah Muhamamd. My assertion supra does not mean I am a Theosophist or anti-Elijah Muhmmad. It's

just an honest opinion that I am not afraid to publicly speak.

I feel Noble Drew Ali came with a far superior message than Elijah Muhamamd or Master Fard

Muhamamd and the Koran Circle 7 far outweighs the Supreme Wisdom book of Master Fard

Muhamamd. This is my opinion.

I feel Elijah Muhammad and Fard Muhammad came with that which is far superior to Christianity andChristian dogma. This doesn't make me anti-Christian. It's just an opinion.

If God came in the person of Master Fard Muhamamd, simply PROVE IT (outisde of NOI literature). You

see, all I'm saying is that because no outisde proof exists, Master Fard Muhamamd appearing as God in

person is mere BELIEF and is thus SUBJECTIVE; but Muslims speak in the objective and this causes

problems, for if a man believes God appeared in the person of Jesus Christ of 2,000 years ago (who

never existed), the person believing God appeared in the person of Master Fard Muhamamd is sure to

have a conflict with the man who believes God appeared in the person of Jesus Christ.

This is why I say everything I believe in is mystical (though some things I speak and teach is predicated

upon substantiated and corrobated sources) and subjective.

The NOI teachings are NOT factual, but merely based upon subjective belief, but many people are

criticized by Muslims (which shows their linearness, collectively) because they don't embrace the beliefs

of the NOI; and if you point out said point supra, then you are labeled as someone who has issues with

the Messenger or Master Fard Muhammad, because you are still dealing with the Christian software and

programming (in a Muslim hardware) that you cannot question God and/or God's man and he that does

is a fool. Well, I am a fool in a certain respect because the fool has nothing to lose and was the freestman in the kingdom (when you overstand the occult history and doctrine of the fool as explained in the

Tarot, the forerunner of the Jewish Torah).

This is all I'm saying, Beloved!



More later too!

Peace, Beloved!

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Postby THE SUN GOD » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:05 pm

GOOD BUILD FAMILY, EVERY TRUTH IS A HALF TRUTH AS TAUGHT BY THE ANCIENTS IN THE EAST.

WE ARE LIVING IN THE AGE OF INFORMATION AND THE MANIFESTATION OF DEFECTS.

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Postby Omaar » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:32 pm

Yes, this is an excellent discussion but uhh......

Naim












wickedness.

????????????????????

Lol, I could have sworn you were a believer in the NOI teachings one time!

Let us make the Great Lakes region a center for Black progress!

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Postby Timumin » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:38 pm

blackmuslimcounsel wrote:



It symbolism my Brother; Being as tho they had there Pineal Gland or Melanin removed made there

brains 6 ounces instead of the 7.5 ounces. Without the Pineal gland you cannot harness the suns rays.

Its bad when the sun dont like you. There was no man name Moses who went there.

The question should read:

Why does Muhammad in the USA have ahard time civilizing the Original people?

Salaam.

Bro. BMC ...

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I see this symbolism. But, sometimes a teaching represents symbolism AND

literal physical or historic reality.

So you are saying that which is said to have been taught by The Messenger, Elijah Muhammad, as

posted by Joshua_al_Furqan as the topic of this thread, is purely symbolic and no Musa (M...USA) went

to the white man in the caves of Europe 4,000 years ago--as an actual historical fact?

Do you think The Messenger meant this to be only symbolic or also historical fact?

Thanks and Peace.

"And a believing man from among the people of Pharoah who hid his faith said ... "

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Postby amadz » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:51 pm

Timumin wrote:

blackmuslimcounsel wrote:

It symbolism my Brother; Being as tho they had there Pineal Gland or Melanin removed made there

brains 6 ounces instead of the 7.5 ounces. Without the Pineal gland you cannot harness the suns rays.

Its bad when the sun dont like you. There was no man name Moses who went there.

The question should read:

Why does Muhammad in the USA have ahard time civilizing the Original people?

Salaam.

Bro. BMC ...









Thanks and Peace.

Musa going to the caves of Europe is meant as fact/history and not as symbolism. The Moses who was

to lead a people out of bondange after 400, the Moses that people think existed for 4,000 years ago in

Egypt, that story was symbolic of the black man and woman here in the hells and wilderness of north

America.

Please read the Making of the White man by Lawrence Guthrie.

In the name of Almighty Allah, in the person of Master Fard Muhammad, to whom praises are forever

due. On behalf of the Last Messenger of Allah, Moses (Our Spiritual Mother Mary of the book) in the

person The Honorable Elijah Muhammad(PBUH). In the name of Silis Muhammad (Spiritual Son), the

God in our midst at this hour.

As-Salaam-Alaikum to All

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Postby blackmuslimcounsel » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:56 pm

~Salaam; My Brother you wont mind if I keep it real with you. I have wrote a book based on every lesson

in the Supreme Wisdome. When you tell some1 that they are very near correct your telling them that

you seeing but not observing deeply what you see.



Timunim wrote:

"Salaam.

Bro. BMC ...







Thanks and Peace. "

BMC Replies:

Well, brother basically the whole aim and purpose of the book deals with the self and the maturity of

Ones self accusing spirit. Now from your words you sound honest in your quest. let me share

somethings with you: Allah is self created? What does check your self mean to find the best meaning of

self creation.

Lesson Number 1:

1-Why is not the devil settled in the best of our thinking. The word settle means that there is no

residency for evilness in the creation of our nature, the brains cells are created to think right and when

you think other than right you go against the nature of the brain which is why we only use a certain



amount of brain. This is also the preserved area called the Holy City of Mecca with the Pineal gland as

the kaaba., full of idolistic ideas. Mans god today aint his god tomorrow.

enuff on that!

2-Why does Mummad have ahard time techologically and morally advancing the so called negros in

West Asia as they now call it America?

Because we are still savage and have lost our minds, identity, women even our spiritual language and we

like this socioeconomic order because it requires nothing of effort. The beast life is a greedy capitalistic

concrete jungle society based on survival of the slickest and not the fittest. Musa is a half original man

meaning he aint know god if god aint come until 1930. Right!

But the lesson says that God knows both part the good and bad. Prophets dont have that type of insight.

So I guess the koran lies when it says that Allah raised a messenger among the people. So how Mosesgone be black if the jews are white.

We the blacks last prophet was Abraham. That was 50,000 years ago.

Let me chill here:

Now lets go further in the lesson:

Now first you tell me that you gone make the devil study for a long time and then next step is murdering

him. That dont make sense why not just murder him but you give him a chance then your murder him?

Right!

Look it only means that after a long time studying the wisdom you will in fact have removed the devil

from your thinking. Actually between me and you cuz the devil is really the environment in which you

dwell. so they taught us about the prophet Lot its symbolsim too. What were they doing in his day and

time? We still have A--LOT of this worlds thinking in us also.

Well, I dont want to say too much and hopefully you can fill in the blanks. I be here forever typing what I

think I know that I know>

~Salaam;

"The Writings' and Teachings' of the BlackMuslimCounselor". :morning:

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amadz:

The people led out of bonage by Moses of the Bible some 4,000 years ago cannot be symbolic of the

American negro, Beloved, no matter how you slice the pie. Well, especially if logic, prudence, reason,

common sense, are intelligence are applied.

Case in point:

Genesis 15:13 - "And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a

stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred

years."

According to Moorish science, Blacks were already here in the land of Amexam (in North America) and

had always been here. So, strangers in a STRANGE land?????? You see, it doesn't jive when you know

(though most know not).

And serve them? The NOI teaches that the African slave trade officially began in 1555. Therefore, African

slavery in North America began in 1555. Four-hundred years from 1555, fast forward, brings us to the

year 1955.

Now according to recorded history, the actual PHYSICAL serving (servitude) of Africans to Whites,

technically ended in 1863 with the fraudulent Emancipation Proclamation. From 1555 to 1863

constitutes 308 (years, of actual serving).



Well, Muslims have supreme mathematics and mathematically, 308 does not equal 400 and/or from

1555 to 1863 does not equal 400 years.

Okay, let's finish reading the Bible:

Genesis 15:14 - "And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterwards they shall

come out with great substance."

Did I miss something?

Now, "that nation ..." no doubt, to Muslims is none other than the U.S., right? Therefore, has God

judged the U.S., is he in the process of judging, or will he judge? Because by the looks of it, the U.S. hasnot been judged by God because it is the grandest and wealthiest of all nations (though Great Britain,

her mother, runs things on the down low). It appears God has love for the U.S. and is constantly blessing

her. Hell, Minister Farrakhan even has a torchlight for her (writing a book to save America from a

chatisment his teacher said was inevitable). LOL!

Everybody on earth wants to come to America, even Muslims who hate Christianity and the lewd ways

of America. But yet in still, they want entrance into the Great Whore, the modern Babylon, the Cage of

every foul spirit.

Okay, "...and afterwards, they shall come out with great substance."

A statute cannot be enlarged to embrace matters not specifically pointed out. Genesis 15 cannot be

altered. The book clearly says the bondage or servitude would last for 400 years PRECISELY. Nothing less

and nothing more! So based upon the strict interpretation of the Bible (Book of Genesis), America (the

U.S.) should have been judged (in the year 1955). Hell, but the only judgment that was declared was the

murder of Emmett Till and Rosa Parks getting arrested for refusing to give up her seat to a White man

on a public bus. This doesn't sound like coming out of servitude with great substance to me. If getting

your azz murdered, kicked, and arrested is coming out of servitude with great substance, only a foolishpeople would be claiming the prophecy of Genesis 15. And look who's claiming to be the bequethers of

Genesis 15. As GHETTOMESSIAH would say: the dumb black Muslims!!! LOL!

Also, Black people (if they are in fact the people of Genesis 15) should have come out of servitude with

great substance beginning in the year 1956. But history shows that Black people were just beginning



their Civil Rights movement days and were still getting the shiit beat and kicked out of them by White

folks.

To be continued!

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Continuiing from the foregoing:

Genesis 15:15 - And thou shalt go to they fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age."

REALLY??????

Bullshiit!!!!!

Thy fathers would have to be Africans because that's where the enslaved came from, right?

Go to thy fathers in peace??? I haven't seen this transpire yet, personally. How is anyone going to go to

their African fathers in peace when Africa has no peace?

Thou shalt be buried in a good old age???? Again, bullshiit!!!



Since 1955, Black people have not been returning to their fathers on the African continent (hell, they

don't know them), and they damn sure haven't been dying in a good old age. The life longevity of Black

folks have been steadily decreaing since 1955 and TODAY, Black people can barely live long enough to

apply for and collect their first Social Security check. And the Black male, he can hang that shiit up! He's

lucky to live to the age of 30. For the average Black male has a life expectancy of 23 years (like what you

saw in the first 5 minutes of the movie "DON'T BE A MENACE IN THE HOOD").

God said in the Bible that man shall only live to be 120 years of age. Genesis 6:3

Under degeneracy, man was given a life longevity/expectancy of 120 years, and today, man can barely

live to see age 60, so what does this say??? To me, it says man is DOUBLE DECADENT, DOUBLE

DEGENERATE, DOUBLE DECREPIT, etc.!

Moving along to Genesis, verse 16:

"But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet

full."

Fouth generation??? The fourth generation shall come here AGAIN???

Does not "here" mean LAND OF BONDAGE or the STATE OF BONDAGE??? i would say so!

Okay, let's look at it!

How many years constitutes a generation? Is it not 30 years! The fourth generation would undoubtedly

mean "four generations," so let's do the math: 30 (a generation) x 4 = 120!

120 years!!!!

But damn! 120 years after 1955 is 2075! Again, only a goddamn fool would claim to be the bequethed of

the Genesis 15 prophesy or legacy, for in less than 70 years, Black folks are headed right back into



SLAVERY (and you know they lovin' this prophesy, for Nigguhs love doom and gloom rhetoric, especially

on Sundays; and Muslims eat that shiit up! It's called the Fall of America).

American Blacks are about to go back into slavery over some bullshiit of the Amorites. Now who in the

fucck are the Amorites? Black people don't know and don't give a dman as long as they (Amorites) aredoing iniquity so as to justify themselves going back into slavery and the Muslim will have nerve enough

to say their neo slavery is the "Fall of America" happening and the Messenger told the truth.

This is where the Genesis 15 legacy leads the bequeted of the legacy. So are you Muslims sure ya'll want

to claim black people as fulfilling the biblical prophesy of Genesis 15?

And lastly,

Musa standing for "Muhammad in the USA"? Couldn't M-USA also stand for Michael in the USA or Marie

in the USA or Melchezidek in the USA?

In my honest opinion, Black people need to give it up (let go of religion). They don't understand it. And

just think, some out there say Djehuty Ma'at-Ra doesn't know the Teachings, but back in the 1990s I was

said to be one of the most astute knowers of the Teachings; but now that I have graduated from the

school of the NOI, NOW I don't know what I was once said to have mastered. LOL! Funny how religious

folk do! When you down with them and their dogma, you're all right; but if you leave it, you don't

understand what you previously were a master of. LOL!!!

In the words of Lionel Ritchie (The Commodores) in a love song: "I do love you (Muslims), STILL!

Yeah, one of my favorite love songs I dedicate to the NOI-ites!

Peace!

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Postby Timumin » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:25 pm

Djehuty wrote:

Excellent question Timumin!

Good point too SUN GOD!

Bro. Timumin, as SUN GOD correctly and honestly stated, no historical and physical man named Moses(or Musa or Mossa) ever existed. The Moses story was a corruption of the Egyptian or Khemetic, Mizzes,

who met with Ra at the top of a pyramid (which is why Moses met with God at the top of a mountain

[Sinai]).

Moses was a corruption of the actual personage known as the Egyptian, Thut-Moses, that Sigmund

Freud wrote about in his book "Moses and Monotheism."

Salaam.

Bro. Djehuti ...

Thanks for your reply. I respect your views. You have much knowledge in many areas. Stay positive, keep

moving forward.

I am convinced the scriptural story of Moses with the Children of Israel enslaved 400 years and then

delivered from Pharoah is symbolic of another people and did not occur historically in Egypt 4,000 years

ago. However, I was speaking about the Musa mentioned in The Messenger's teachings (another man

altogether), who was sent to the white man in the caves of Europe about 4,000 years ago, as posted by

Bro. Furqan for this thread.



People with intelligence, prudence, rational minds (uncorrupted by religious belief), etc. know that an

all-loving God would never or could never send a RIGHTEOUS man/prophet to teach anyone wickedness,

e.g. deception, tricknology, etc.

I concur ... except for your statement "uncorrupted by religious belief." I do not believe religious belief iscorrupt, unless it is a belief in that which is not true and does not hold up to rigorous tests yielding

irrefutable proof of its veracity and directs to behavior that is other than good. Plus, probably the

majority of people who consider themselves to hold religious beliefs would also agree that an all-loving

God would never send His representative to teach lying, cheating, and wicked rule over righteous

people.

In my opinion, the proper term would be "SO-CALLED religious belief," for many of the beliefs passed off

as religious are not in fact religious at all. But, again, just my point of view.

You won't even find this kind of twisted teachings in the works of would-be satanists Aleister Crowley,

Anton LeVey, et al., (whom most Black people are too scared to study the works of).

Crowley, a master magician, even admits in his book: "Magic (Book IV)" that "The devil does not even

exist and that there is only once force or energy in the Universe and all comes from this one energy; and

there is no separation of good and bad because it all comes from one, corresponding to Isaiah 45:7 in re

God being the author of good and evil."

I can't comment much on Crowley, as I have no comprehensive knowledge of him. From what little I

have heard and read of him, he is a popular Satanist with strong influence upon many of the ruling elite.

Tricknology is the science of deception ... magic. Him giving credit to One Energy Source in the Universe

does not make him profound in my eyes. This knowledge is self-evident and has been taught long before

he learned about it. Great wisdom can be used for either good or evil.

I can understand why he would teach there is no separation of good and bad. If I were a Master

Magician, or Master Tricknologist, AKA Master Devil, I would make sure I taught my hypnotized subjects

there is no devil. For, if I taught the people I am a lying, deceptive, evil, devil who is dishonestly running

a game on them and others with evil intent, but will suffer unbearably in the end and those who follow

me will also burn in hell ... my magic wouldn't be very effective and I would lose my followers. The best

lie a devil can proclaim is there is no devil!



The NOI doctrine, esp. in this respect pertaining to Moses, is greatly flawed, Beloved. NOI Muslims

should not blame the White man for anything wicked or evil since he was taught everything he knows of

wickedness by a Black man on the divine orders of Allah. Hell, the White man was taught tricknology by

a Black man (Musa) and was created by a Black man (Yakub) according to NOI rhetoric; so intelligence

and reason alone dictate that you cannot blame the White man for anything wicked and that true blame

lies on none other than the Black man and God Almighty himself.

Your points in the paragraph above are exactly my point. Without attacking or disrespecting followers of

The Messenger's Teachings--and especially not disrespecting The Messenger--I have been asking for a

credible and reliable explanation of these apparent contradictions. I have been given none.

People, such as yourself, and others who openly avow disbelief in The Teachings have responded and

simply refuted them as unreliable--and from the standpoint of logic and reason, as you have said, your

denial is understandable ... at least concerning these issues.

But, I have not really received light from defenders of The Teachings.

What led me to believe in The Teachings in the first place, after studying many religious andphilosophical teachings, rebelling from the Christian "belief" imprisonment, was what my mentor began

my lessons with:

"Arrive at Truth before making a commitment to believe a proposition. How? Be critical and challenge all

teachings. Disbelieve everything. Do not believe anything you read or hear or see until and unless the

Truth becomes so clear it becomes impossible to disbelieve it." (paraphrasing)

From this, he built my understanding of The Messenger's Teachings. My faith in The Teachings has

grown every year since then because they have taught me to see through the many falsehoods

circulating in this, the devil's world. Except for these few apparent contradictions, such as Musa teaching

evil, The Teachings shine too much light to disregard.

I believe my lack of wisdom on the subject is the error ... not The Teachings. It is like the parable in Surah

18, when Moses was traveling with the wise man in search of knowledge ... The wise man of Allah,



Moses' teacher, appeared to do evil things that could not possibly be done by a man of Allah, until

Moses finally learned that he could not see the bigger picture before, what the wise man could see. For

example, they were traveling in a poor family's boat when the wise man scuttled it so it would sink.

Moses thought this was wrong--it was all these poor people had! Then the wise man had to explain to

Moses why he did it. A tyrant ship was on the way, on a killing spree! The wise man scuttled the boat to

sink it and save their lives ... the tyrant wasn't interested in a sunken boat, they wanted some goodbooty and spoils of war. (again paraphrasing)

So I am questioning the story of Musa and the caveman out of love for The Teachings, desiring the

understanding that is irrefutable as I have gained from The Teachings for many years. I believe there is a

bigger picture here Moses (me, in this case) cannot see, but the wise man (The Messenger) can see. If he

or my mentor were here and accessible to me, I would ask them.

Maybe his students know the significance of how it would appear a good man, Musa, would teach evil,

tricknology ...

If we cannot explain it on a higher level that can be communicated to others, we should at least

understand why those seeking reason and logic and righteousness would reject such a concept!

I'm surprised these issues do not rub more Believers the wrong way and cause them to want to dig

deeper so they can find that higher significance, which can defend The Teachings against the attacks of

the disbelievers!

The White man is a great keeper of history, especially his own (just like the ancient people of Khemet).

You won't find any story like those told by the NOI anywhere outisde of NOI circles and theology. And i

can say the same thing about Christianity and Judaism.

Djehuti ... You know for a fact that the History the white man keeps is truth mixed with falsehood. Hehas been busted many times fabricating HIS STORY. He is a great FABRICATOR OF FALSE HISTORY. He has

destroyed or whitened up many records over the ages relating to Great Black History in order to keep

his white supremacy hoax going on ...












wickedness. Remember, Yakub (the deformed, big-headed pseudo scientist), Shabazz (the deranged

scientist and lunatic cult leader), Musa (the trickster and teacher of wickedness, lies, and deception),

and that crazy azz scientist who allegedly blew up the moon (like Melvin the Martian of Bugs Bunny

fame), were all BLACK according to NOI mythology, doctrine, and rhetoric.

Folks would be wise to trust in their own common sense and accept what makes sense to them and

which is corroborated, buttressed, and substantiated by reason (and secondarily by recorded history).

There is no connection between any man named Moses and Jews, especially pertaining to Khemet or

ancient Egypt.

Black people, in my opinion, would be wise to leave all this bullshiit religious rhetoric alone and study

anceint mythology which is the true source of all of their modern day religious beliefs, e.g. Jesus being

born from a virgin birth on December 25, Moses meeting with God at the top of a mountain, the

sacrificed savior will return and save the souls of all believers, etc.

And if Black people want to stay in their religious hut, then they should stop complaining about the

things they always complain about (which is damn near everything) and wonder why their religious

beliefs and convictions can't help them to improve upon their own lives, much less their own

households and communities, and the society and world in which they live.

Religion is a software programmed into the DNA of Black people (and other people of color, as well as

most slave-class White people that keeps them grounded to the lies of the Matrix and preventing them

from ever pursuing, experiencing, or reaching their full mind potential and realization and you can see

this by looking at the situation of who runs the world (clearly men who are not religious at all, but who

created religion).



Putting a Black face on lies don't make the lies true!

BMC is correct, if anything, the most you can get from any biblical story is symbolism; but a symbol is

just like a painting and can have a thousand different meanings behind it.

Stay in the NOW and come up with a personal plan to overcome or escape from the modern day hills

and cavesides of inferiority, decrepitude, ignorance, debauchery, degeneracy, etc. which exists in your

own mind and thus keeps you in these negative attributes and activity in your physical realm of

existence.

Again, I agree there needs to be a better understanding of certain aspects of The Teachings like you

have mentioned above (Musa, Yacuub, Shabaz, The Moon, and some Black responsibility for founding

evil people, sciences, and eras ... therefore the horrible consequences), or we should not be surprised

when many people reject or refuse to believe things that, at face value, do not seem to add up.

But, with all due respect, Bro. Djehuti, in my humble opinion ... your adopted name, Djehuti (sometimes

spelled: Tehuti) is a RELIGIOUS NAME. I've heard you and others who study and relate to ancient Kemitic

(Egyptian) teachings attacking and blaming "religious people" and "religion" and "religious doctrine" as

the scourge of the planet earth on several occasions. And I keep hearing that religious people are the

opposite of logical thinkers. Again, I would have to say this is true with "so-called" religion. But, as for

true religion ... there is only one: Truth, knowing it and living it ... its Allah/God's One Universal Religion

and how I understand True Islam.

In my studies, I find the Islam taught by The Messenger, and in the Qur'an, are not in opposition to the

ancient Kamitic teachings. I'll go into that at another time.

Does the name Djehuti/Tehuti (the Principle of Wisdom) come from the ancient Kamitic RELIGION? A

great book from Black author, Ra Un Nefer Amen, entitled: Metu Neter, Vol. 2,, explains the religion of ancient black people in Kamit, which white "Egyptologist" and Kaballists and Mystery Schools and other

religions have borrowed from ...

"The Ausarian Religion. The fundamental principle governing the Ausarian religion is the reality--mere

concept to the unitiated--that man is made in the likeness of God. By this is meant that God's traits



reside in Man as his/her essential qualities. It is important to focus completely on this statement for it is

the key to comprehending the entire Kamitic 'mythological' literature, Ausarian religion, psychology,

sociology, and social structures of traditional African civilizations."

Djehuti, or Tehuti, is the name used in the Ausarian religion indicating the second sphere on the Tree of Life, which represents Wisdom and Communication of Truth, and the Will of God residing in God and

Man.

So, in my humble opinion, Bro. Djehuti, if you are true to your name, YOU ARE A RELIGIOUS MAN!

Religion is just a lifestyle. Striving to do right and not wrong is THE RELIGION OF ISLAM. So if you strive

for righteousness and goodness and avoid wrong and unrighteousness, you are practicing ISLAM!!! The

Universal Religion.

According to my understanding.

Inshallah.

Peace.

Peace!

"And a believing man from among the people of Pharoah who hid his faith said ... "

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Postby Djehuty » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:46 am

Peace Timumin!

Thanks for the great feedback. Another RARE example of a balanced Muslim follower of THEM. A breath

of fresh air!

QUOTE:

"I can't comment much on Crowley, as I have no comprehensive knowledge of him. From what little I

have heard and read of him, he is a popular Satanist with strong influence upon many of the ruling elite.

Tricknology is the science of deception ... magic. Him giving credit to One Energy Source in the Universedoes not make him profound in my eyes. This knowledge is self-evident and has been taught long before

he learned about it. Great wisdom can be used for either good or evil."

1. In re Crowley, most Black haven't taken the time to read the works of Crowley (not that they should,

unless they are into magic) which are voluminous. I once shunned this man's works because Ashra

Kweisi's wife said he used magic in the form of negative energy to incite the 1965 Los Angeles Watts riot

of 1965, and after doing my own research on Crwoley (as I do on other people I study), I discovered

Crowley died in 1955, ten years before the Watts riot ever jumped off.

Subsequently, I started picking up Crowley's works that were primary sources, e.g. Aleister Crwoley and

the Ouija Board, Thoth Tarot, Magic, etc. and was blown away at what the man knew about magic.

Let me clarify, Crowley was not profound because of a mere statement (that the Devil does not exist,

etc., etc.,) but because of his voluminous knowledge of a science that scares the shiit out of most

people. An intelligent and open-minded person cannot read this man's works, e.g. PRIMARY SOURCES,

and come to the conclusion that the man was a Satanist, Devil Worshiper, Tricknologist, etc.

Crowley has no history of doing harm, unlike Musa, Shabazz, Yakub, Nimrod, etc., or even the God of the

Bible or Qur'an who ordered wholesale annihilations and genocides of innocent people, Ezekiel 9:6, 1

Samuel 15:3; the ordering of enslaving people (esp. women of conquered males); taking women of

murdered disbelievers as concubines, H.Q. 4:25; the ordering of kiling young children, Ezekiel 9:6; first

son sacrificial offerings (blood sacrifice), e.g. Abraham being ordered to sacrifice his only son, Genesis

22:2.



We cannot point out the wickedness and evil of the White man for certain actions and when the Black

man does the same exact actions, or worse actions, he gets a pass because he's Black.

To me, it's only fair that Nimrod, Musa, Shabazz, Yakub, some of the Black scientists, etc. also be called

devils, tricknologists, etc. like their White counterparts. Are we judging the skin color or the action,

deed, etc.? Color itself has never harmed anyone.

I'm not an apologist for Crowley or any other White man; I simply hate self-righteous hypocrisy and I see

this amply within the NOI and I point it out.

If you study my posts, I'm pretty impartial across the board pertaining to crime, dirt, wickedness, etc.;

makes no difference to me what your color is. With me, wrong is wrong and their is no justification for itno matter how you slice the pie, coming from a mundane 3D perspective, that is.

Now granted, White people do far more evil, lying, wickedness, blood-shedding, killing, etc. than anyone

else on the planet and I'd have to be a self-denying idiot not to see this and admit it. An intelligent and

unbiased person cannot study world history and not see this fact that Whites have the most violent

history on this planet. In fact, he/they write it in his/their books and always have. You just don't find it in

the school books which are controlled by Illuminati publishing companies for a collective grand scheme,

e.g., dumb-downing, brainwashing, and miseducating the American people.

Now the books that contains lies (told by White folks) that you talk about are done by the Whites of the

ruling elite; but on the flip side of the token, some of the most acurate accounts of history (pertaining to

White people and Black people) have been told by White people, e.g., Jon Judge, Mae Brusells, Michael

Parenti, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn ("A People's History of the United States"); , Carrol Quigley

("Tragedy and Hope"); James W. Loewen ('Lies My Teacher Told Me"); Jim Marrs ("Rule By Secrecy");

Charle Higham ("Trading With the Enemy"); David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, et al.

Continuuing on....

Magic has nothing to due with deception, unless you're talking about that kind of magic (which is really

and an illusion) perfomed by David Copperfield or actor Edward Norton in the movie THE ILLUSIONIST.

Clearly, there's a difference if one takes the time to study. Magic is the art and science of causing change

to occur in conformity with will, and with all due respect, if this definition of magic constitutes satanism,



then the Qur'an itself contains satanic verses (e.g., H.Q. 16:40) and Muslims were wrong for putting a

death wish on Salaam Rushdie for writing his "Satanic Verses."

QUOTE:

"This knowledge is self-evident and has been taught long before he learned about it. Great wisdom can

be used for either good or evil. "

True, but with all due respect, who has been using so-called great wisdom for evil purposes for

millennia, so-called satanists and devil-worshippers, or those professing belief in an all-loving God, e.g.,

Muslims, Jews, and Christians?

Religious people have been killing in the name of "great wisdom" for thousands of years. With all the

purported great wisdom religions profess to have, more people have died in the name of the all-loving

God than anything else on the planet. Devil worshippers and satanists can't hold a match next to

religious people (esp. Muslims, Jews, and Christians) pertaining to evil, wickedness, bloodshed, lying,

deception, etc.

In Scripture (Bible and Qur'an), we only get second hand information and accounts about the evil of the

Devil, Lucifer, or Satan; but we are offered no PRIMARY sources by the Devil, Lucifer, or Satan himself. In

other words, Satan, Lucifer, or the Devil is not allowed to speak on his own behalf; so he gets a bad rap

and it's so unfair because Satan/The Devil is denied due process of law (notice and opportunity to

defend and present evidence). And since Satan has such a bad rap (put on him by religious people, of

course) today, most people won't or wouldn't even listen to Satan/The Devil so as to give him a fair

chance to present his side of things. Now that's pretty shiity in my book, Beloved.

QUOTE:

"I can understand why he would teach there is no separation of good and bad. If I were a Master

Magician, or Master Tricknologist, AKA Master Devil, I would make sure I taught my hypnotized subjectsthere is no devil. For, if I taught the people I am a lying, deceptive, evil, devil who is dishonestly running

a game on them and others with evil intent, but will suffer unbearably in the end and those who follow

me will also burn in hell ... my magic wouldn't be very effective and I would lose my followers. The best

lie a devil can proclaim is there is no devil!"



Wait a minute, Crowley never hid anything. He straight up told you what he was about (e.g., magic,

sexual magic) and gave you FREE WILL to choose, unlike the religious man. Elijah didn't come straight

forward and tell you he was the Christ! Fard Muhamamd didn't come forth saying he was the Mahdi!

Farrakhan didn't come straight out and say he had been banging 8 women outside of his wife. No, Good

Brother, you will find this deception and evil intent amongst those professing God, goodness,

righteousness, etc.

In fact, it was Fard Muhamamd who came POSING as a goddamn trader/seller of fine silk when in fact he

was on a mission to recruit Lost-Found Negroes for his cult of Islam, according to NOI legend, history,

and doctrine. Djehuty didn't say this, the NOI did and does! In my book, Good brother, this is a clear case

of grand deception!

Also, magic is not incumbent upon hypnosis to work, Good Brother. You're mistaking hypnosis or

hypnotherapy with or for magic. You will find more hypnotic techniques worked on the people by

religions (religious heads) than magicians any day. The CIA reported in an essay entitled "CIA

Brainwashing Techniques" on how their techniques made their way into most churches and how music

was used to put the churchgoers into a "trance" and prepare them for giving charity (money) and to

make them obedient to the pastor. The essay stated that when you first enter church, the music is all

nice and slow, around 70 beats per minute, corresponding with the human heart beat, making you feel

all nice and good; but right before it comes time to giving charity, there's usually a FEAR-BASED segment

of the sermon with very loud music and beats that range up to 90-140 beats per minute making the

heart beat fast and adrenaline flow from the adrenal glands.

Magicians don't do stuff like this; religion does! Magicians don't use fear! They use positive energy!Beloved, I used to be in the mosque (#27) and the mosque raised thousands of dollars promoting fear

(e.g. the Fall of America, God's chatisment on America, etc.). Khalid Muhammad used to start charity off

by putting a $100 dollar bill in the tray to get the collection going and afterward behind closed doors

take his $100 back. That's fraud, decpetion, and wickedness, Good Brother! Farrakhan raised a lot of

money at the Million Man March (standstill) and promised an account of the collection, which never

came. Again, deception, Good Brother!

Magicians don't stand on street corners proselytizing. Religious folk do! Magicians don't recruit into

their circles. Religious folks do. Even the pagans (White ones, of course) who did get off into sacrificialkillings, only did so utilizing FREE WILL. You see this in the 1974 version of the movie "THE WICKER

MAN." In this cult classic, the pagans outsmarted the Christian police officer and fried his azz to death in

the end because he lacked wisdom. He was given plenty of time to get off the island, but his ego and

mindset (false authority) got the best of him and he was determined to do his job and flex his muscle on

the people of Summer Isles, but we see the result in the end. His azz got sacrificed to the Sun God. The

pagans reminded him before they burned his azz alive that he came to their island on his own free will



and refused to leave on his own free will. So while the police officer prayed to Jesus inside the burning

wicker man, he fried. LOL!

More to come![b]

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Postby Djehuty » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:55 am

Continuuing from the above:

Before continuing, Good Brother, I truly and sincerely hope my words are received in a pure and well-

meaning spirit, despite a few vulgarities (which I am conscious of and purposely use, of course, for

purposes of emphasis). I truly enjoy stimulating and thought-provoking dialogue, which you really don'tget a lot of with religious folk, esp. NOI Muslims, though Christians got Muslims beat in this department.

QUOTE:

Peace Timumin!

"Your points in the paragraph above are exactly my point. Without attacking or disrespecting followersof The Messenger's Teachings--and especially not disrespecting The Messenger--I have been asking for a

credible and reliable explanation of these apparent contradictions. I have been given none."

Good Brother, OF COURSE you have not been given any and you won't because NOI-ites can't (give you

credible and reliable explanations of apparent contradictions). What you are humbly requesting, Good

Brother, is imponderable and impregnable.



To me, Good Brother, and this is just my honest view, the Messenger was not a holy man nor was he

raised by God (just as no man has ever been raised by God to the exclusion of others as God is not a

respecter of persons) and thus made some errors and fatal flaws with his Tecahings (though I believe the

Messenger sincerely meant well). However, I don't think that this should not take away from the good

and the truth he taught and delivered.

The Teachings are not from God, because clearly "God is the author of peace, not confusion" and NOI

Muslims are confused today (all factions), despite coming from the same branch or house (Elijah

Muhammad). This is the danger in organizations and leadership (outside of Self).

And Beloved, if God is the author of peace and NOT confusion, then does not "tricknology" confuse

people? But we are taught by the NOI that Allah purposely sent Musa to free the Devils from caveside

bondage and that he knowingly, consciously, purposefully, and willingly on divine orders from Allahtaught these people TRICKNOLOGY, and who then came down from the caves and hills of Europe (a faux

continent the size of the Eastern U.S. seaboard, geographically speaking) amongst the Original peoples

and started creating mischief, CONFUSION, and bloodshed in the land. Righteousness is clearly

vulnerable to unrighteousness as White folks have been teaching us over the years.

My question to you, Good Brother, is this: What will you do if you fail to find your answers to clearly

irrefutable contradictions within the Teachings?

QUOTE:

"People, such as yourself, and others who openly avow disbelief in The Teachings have responded and

simply refuted them as unreliable--and from the standpoint of logic and reason, as you have said, your

denial is understandable ... at least concerning these issues."

I have responded because I studied deeply into the subjects of religion, mythology, and history and

therefore can respond, and with intelligence, reason, logic, and common sense.

Beloved, if you believe the story of Musa was symbolic, you'd be wise to go back to the source of the

Moses story, the ancient Egyptians (Khemetians) and study from your ancestors.



On a metaphysical level, Moses is the "Liberating" consciousness that frees the Children of Israel

(innocent and pure thoughts) from the land of Egypt (material desires that bind and enslave) by parting

the Red Sea (passions) so the Children (good thoughts) can pass over into the Promised Land (higher and

pure consciousness).

The Bible happens TO US! It takes place within us. It has an Old Testament (for the physical part of man)

and a New Testament (for the Spiritual part of man), comprising one book (body).

QUOTE:

"What led me to believe in The Teachings in the first place, after studying many religious and

philosophical teachings, rebelling from the Christian "belief" imprisonment, was what my mentor began

my lessons with:

"Arrive at Truth before making a commitment to believe a proposition. How? Be critical and challenge all

teachings. Disbelieve everything. Do not believe anything you read or hear or see until and unless the

Truth becomes so clear it becomes impossible to disbelieve it." (paraphrasing)"

Thanks for sharing! Sound words of good advice. However, I have a question: After TRUTH, why the

need to believe a proposition (proposal)?

Disbelieve everything? Including the obvious?

To me personally, your teacher (in subtle fashion) was teaching you that you need to be distrusting in

and of this world. If you go off into a thing disbeliving, the law of attraction will only attract and magnify

situations that support your disbelief. The energy of disbelief can only attract more disbelief. Personally,

I feel folks should go off on their life journey TRUSTING that truth will make herself known, despite all

the falsehood out in the world, thanks to man, especially religious man. But I overstand where your

teacher was coming from.

QUOTE:

"From this, he built my understanding of The Messenger's Teachings. My faith in The Teachings has

grown every year since then because they have taught me to see through the many falsehoods



circulating in this, the devil's world. Except for these few apparent contradictions, such as Musa teaching

evil, The Teachings shine too much light to disregard."

Brother, with all due respect, there's also a lot of good and truth to the Devil's world, if you have eyes to

see. Nothing is all bad, just as nothing is all good. When you look through falsehood, what will you seebut truth? Falsehood cannot exist without truth. In fact, truth is incumbent upon falsehood to make

herself known. Truth is nothing but falsehood inverted.

If the Teachings are light and shine too much light, is there an exception to the light (truth)?????

QUOTE:

"I believe my lack of wisdom on the subject is the error ... not The Teachings. It is like the parable in

Surah 18, when Moses was traveling with the wise man in search of knowledge ... The wise man of Allah,

Moses' teacher, appeared to do evil things that could not possibly be done by a man of Allah, until

Moses finally learned that he could not see the bigger picture before, what the wise man could see. For

example, they were traveling in a poor family's boat when the wise man scuttled it so it would sink.

Moses thought this was wrong--it was all these poor people had! Then the wise man had to explain to

Moses why he did it. A tyrant ship was on the way, on a killing spree! The wise man scuttled the boat to

sink it and save their lives ... the tyrant wasn't interested in a sunken boat, they wanted some good

booty and spoils of war. (again paraphrasing)"

Your faith in Elijah and belief that he automatically knows more than you has made you NEGATE

yourself, whether you know it or not. To negate self is to not trust self, which is a travesty.

You know, I like the Moses parable supra of travelling with the wise man for wisdom. Bruce Lee (who

used to read the Qur'an) actually used this qur'anic verse and parable in his script for his movie "THE

SILENT FLUTE," released in 1978 as "CIRCLE OF IRON," starring David Carradine. Had Lee lived, 'Circle of

Iron" would have undoubtedly been his best accomplihsment, ranking right above "GAME OF DEATH" (if

you ever saw the original 28 minutes of the movie Lee actually filmed before his death/murder).

In Circle of Iron, they actually enacted out H.Q. 18 and did a great job I must say. My wife was amazed

that I knew what was going to happen during this part of the film (though it was my first time viewing

the movie) and I told her I learned of the particular scene in the Holy Qur'an.



Circle of Iron was laced with so much profound Eastern wisdom which clearly overshadowed the martial

arts sequences. Well, what do you expect with Carradine playing a role Lee wrote for and with himself in

mind?.

To be continued!

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Postby RealBrother » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:54 am

Djehuty wrote:

you are still dealing with the Christian software and programming (in a Muslim hardware)

:D :)) LOL

Djehuty , don't beat them up to bad !!!!

That christian software might work in a Orthodox Muslim hardware,

But the christian software is not compatitable with NOI Hardware

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Postby Naim88 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:35 am

Omaar wrote:

Yes, this is an excellent discussion but uhh......

Naim





Even if their Musa story was true, still, in 2007, they lack the capabilities to successfully and thoroughlydeal with the results of what Musa and Allah are responsible for -- the White man's wickedness




wickedness.

????????????????????

Lol, I could have sworn you were a believer in the NOI teachings one time!



As-Salaam-Alaikum

Bro. Omar:

That was from Bro. Djehuty, I forgot to place quotes initially around the first few paragraphs written in

my original post. Godson doesn't have the edit button any longer so we can't correct mistakes such as

the one I made in the post forgive.

I never was a believer....I am what I am and have not deviated from the knowledge of Islam as taught by

the Messenger of Allah, Elijah Muhammad regardless of circumstances.

Let me ask you a question though what would be so funny anyway if that was the case although its not?

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Postby Ann3 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:33 pm

"He elucidated the principle that the tomes of sacred writing bequeathed to early humanity by the gods

or by men of far advanced evolutionary stature were susceptible of interpretation at four differentlevels of understanding: (1) the literal-physical; (2) the moral-sentimental; (3) the allegorical-intellectual;

(4) the anagogical-mystical. That is, the books of Holy Writ could be read as historical events; as moral

instruction; as intellectual conception of truth; as the incitement to the most exalted spiritual mystical

transports."



"...he who reads the Scriptures only at the level of their surface meaning will never grasp the truth of

the living Word of God, that only he who pierces the coarser veils to grasp a far deeper sense and

experience a more vivid illumination of consciousness will receive the cathartic purification of his

nature. They went so far as to say that he who was content with the surface meaning of the words was a

fool and a simpleton. As long as religions cling to the lower rungs of the scale of interpretation of their

Scriptures, there will be endless points of difference between them; if they will lift the sense to theupper third and fourth levels, the apparent outer grounds of difference will dissolve in the unity and

harmony of a lofty conceptual enlightenment."

~Alvin Boyd Kuhn

excerpt from The Red Sea Is Your Blood

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