Denominational IssuesTown Hall Meeting
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Denominational IssuesTown Hall Meeting
Stockton Presbytery
So What Are We Doing?
Stockton Polity Engagement
Introduction• Perspective• Orthodox Understanding
Introduction•Members on all sides of the issues.
•Discussions will be fair, civil, gracious.
• Purpose to provide an Orthodox view of the issues facing the PCUSA.
•A call to prayerful engagement.
Introduction• Theological freedom within bounds.
• Tolerance we call forbearance.
• “Essential tenets”- Are said to be stated in the Confessions (F-2.04) but what is and is not essential, is left to the individual to ascertain “within bounds” (G-2.0105).
What Are We Doing?• Currently not planning to leave the
PCUSA• Redirection of gifts• Healthy Congregations
What Are We Doing?• Adoption of local standards–Mission Statement, Goals and Objectives– Adopted the prior Book of Order (2009-
2011) as a part of the Manual of Operations
– Committee on Ministry (COM) adopted the same language
– Essential Tenets as teaching tool.– Engagement with the denomination
Major Issues Prior to General Assembly 2012
6 Parts
Ordination – Part 1• Fidelity in marriage or chastity/
singleness.• Ordination change? We do not yet know• GAPJC (Parnell):
Could rule Scripture and Confessions not changed; or
Could determine interpretations changed.
April 2012
Ordination – Part 1
NOTE: This issue presents itself in the context of homosexual behavior, but we should be clear that is not the issue! The issue is just as applicable to other UNREPENTED acts. The sin itself is not the issue as we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23). The issue is the continuing un-repented insistence on calling blessed that which the scripture calls sinful, and thereby rejecting Scripture and the Confessions. It is the integrity of the truth of scripture at stake. It’s that freedom but “within boundaries” thing again.
Ordination – Part 1• Stockton Overture 1• Commitment to live a chaste and
disciplined life, whether in holy marriage between a man and a woman, or in single life.
• (Book of Confessions 4.108; Heidelberg Catechism).
Ordination – Part 2• Kenyon• Mandatory compliance to national
standard• Stockton Overture 2 – Freedom– Of Conscience for Sessions and
Presbyteries – To maintain orthodox standard– From discipline action for orthodox view
Benefits Plan• Pension Board voted to extend such
benefits to same sex partners or civil marriages.
• No relief of conscience granted• Stockton Overture 3• Reallocate a portion of the plan to a
third party provider
Church/Presbytery Reorganization
• Union Church• Stockton Overture 4 – session of a
union congregation to decide for itself
• Union Presbytery• Stockton Overture 5 – give the Union
Presbytery the decision
Church/Presbytery Reorganization
• Non Geographic Presbyteries• Mid-Council Commission• San Francisco Presbytery has
overtured to authorize the use of non-geographic presbyteries
• Eliminate the requirement for GA approval
Property• Subject to the trust provisions of the
Book of Order regardless of title.• Generally, upheld by California civil
courts• Question of who owns the church
property and less about the use of the property.
Property• Presbyteries have been subject to
collateral attack in the ecclesiastic and civil courts
• Power to Presbytery to decide among irreconcilable factions
• Never intended to grant authority to take the property from the congregation completely!
Property• Stockton Overture 6
- Property being held primarily for the local congregation.– No Discipline for departing the PCUSA
on t theological grounds by a vote of at least a 2/3 margin.
• Gracious Separation Policy
Marriage• Redefining Christian marriage• The issue comes to the 2012 GA in
two forms. Marriage Definition change from a
“man and a woman” to “two persons”.
Conduct of marriage services – allow PCUSA pastors to perform same sex marriages.
Marriage• What is an AI? = Authoritative
Interpretation• No future issue of constitutional
import will be safe from a single GA declaration, including the substance of the Confessions.
• Stockton Overture 1
Expectations• GAPJC may confirm that neither the
Scripture nor the Confessions clearly forbid sexual conduct previously known as sinful as Christian orthodoxy has defined it for two millennia.
• The definition of Christian marriage may be changed either by direct constitutional amendment or by Authoritative Interpretation.
Expectations• The Board of Pensions already
decided to provide same sex partner or marriage benefit and tax the congregations to pay for it (no payment now).
• The Kenyon precedent may be reasserted on the issues of marriage and ordination to require compliance.
Expectations• The GA may not restore the
ordination standards or any of the relief of conscience requests.
• BUT – It might be ok.• WE DO NOT KNOW YET.
• So pray, engage, wait, reassess.