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Debunked: Bruce Lipton and The Biology of BeliefDiscussion in 'Health and Quackery' started by Dan Wilson, Dec 13, 2012.

Bruce Lipton is a biologist who now teaches new age ideas about spiritualityand medicine. There is a lot of bunk surrounding this guy, here is one of hislectures.

He also has written two books, The Biology of Belief and SpontaneousEvolution. Both say generally the same thing and have a lot ofpseudoscience but here I want to focus on his claim that you can healincurable diseases with your beliefs and mind. He argues that DNA is moreplastic than we are lead to believe, claiming that mutations are not randomand that we do have control over our genomes. He also points toepigenetics, the study of how proteins regulate gene expression, as evidenceto his claim.

His first claim of mutations not being random has no evidence whatsoever tosupport it. In his Spontaneous Evolution book, he points to a paperpublished in Nature in 1988 written by John Cairns. The paper describes anexperiment where E. coli with a defective mutant gene for breaking downlactose are placed in a medium containing nothing but lactose. Results werethat the bacteria had mutated and were able to break down the lactose andgrow. Cairns concluded that the mutation was not random and Lipton claimsthat we can do similar things when our health is compromised. This idea hashuge problems because not only was the experiment flawed but there areperfectly good explanations. All of it is discussed rather thoroughly on Wiki.

Lipton's second claim is where the bulk of his ideas come from. He assertsthat since proteins control gene expression that we somehow have powerover that mechanism with our consciousness and proceeds to tell stories ofmiracle cures via hypnosis and meditation that can most likely be explainedby cases of misdiagnosis or a very lucky recovery. The problem here is thatproteins are made with instruction from DNA and specific proteins regulatethe expression of certain genes. No gene, no regulatory protein, so genesindirectly control their own expression. As discussed in the previous point,changes in DNA are random, so we cannot control which gene is going tochange to produce which protein unless we use genetic engineering. Themisconception comes with epigenetics. The most dramatic epigeneticchanges are permanent and happen early in development. Epigeneticchanges in mature individuals are usually superficial, such as eye colorchanges, hormone levels, sleep cycle, and other processes that are alreadyvery self-regulated. More can be read on that topic here and here. Liptonclaims that these processes can somehow be controlled with our beliefs and

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be used to unlock DNA that can help us live healthy and peacefully withoutthe help from government or pharmaceutical companies. A classic snake-oilsalesman who sells false hope to sick patients.

Haven't checked that out yet for specifics, he certainly might be hyping thescience and extending it farther than is warranted. Long term meditationdoes lead to anatomical changes in the brain that can be measured byvarious scanning technologies (MRI, fMRI, etc). Meditation reduces cortisoland increases melatonin, and this changes the pattern of gene expression.Here's a study from the top of the stack that shows that the genesresponsible for producing some very inflammatory molecules can be reducedby meditation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22795617

Here is one of my favorite studies related to this topic - "Quantum squeezedstate analysis of spontaneous ultra weak light photon emission ofpractitioners of meditation and control subjects" People who meditate throwoff fewer photons!! I believe that this effect is very real, but theinterpretation of the study requires additional research and thought - itwould be wrong to jump to many of the quasi-religious conclusions as somehave done. But meditation (and exercise and diet) can change you, even onthe quantum level!! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18697618

I have to emphasize that what I'm debunking here are his claims aboutgenes, evolution, and medicine. It is true that meditation (prayer,contemplation, etc.) can be a very good thing for someone's well-being. Anygood doctor would encourage you to make good changes in things like dietand exercise. Your lifestyle can be changed for the better, which can helpchange gene expression, but none of those things can change the genesthemselves. That is where Lipton presents pseudoscience. Meditation is nota cure-all for health complications and mental diseases. Those kinds ofmethods are good supplements but should by no means be substituted forreal medicine. Lipton seems to have no problem suggesting just that in hisbooks. Meditation is definitely a good thing, but it is an easy target forpseudoscientists to attach hype to.

Jay_Bee

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Mick West, Feb 11, 2013 #5

Cairenn, Feb 11, 2013 #6


Seriously....is "misdiagnosis" and "very lucky recovery" a satisfyingexplanation for you?? Does "luck" fall into scientific argumentation....?

Yes it does. Misdiagnosis is something that you know happens. And apercentage of cancer cases experience spontaneous remission. We don'tknow why exactly, but that's not reason to start believing it's becausepeople rewire their DNA with their brains.

I do FEEL that a positive attitude is useful in many diseases. I doubt it'rewires' the DNA. My thought is that it reduces the stress hormones andthus your own immune system is able to fight the disease off.

It is true that even many cancers, never develop to become life threatening.We can look at the problems we are having with the tests for prostratecancer.

Yes your attitude is very important for that reason. Certain experiencestrigger certain chemicals to be produced int he body. Lipton has a point insaying that we can change our perception on certain things to help us keepa positive outlook and if he just stuck with that and didn't throw in all of thisnonsense about DNA, curing serious illness, and how evolution happens Ithink he would be a lot more respected.

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Seriously....is "misdiagnosis" and "very lucky recovery" asatisfying explanation for you?? Does "luck" fall intoscientific argumentation....?

Cairenn

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Well, yes. There are many factors that go into a disease. These biologicalsystems are very complex. For example, developing cancer is a game ofchance where the odds are decided by genes and how damage your DNAtakes due to choices in your lifestyle. Despite being careful, however, peoplecan still develop cancer due to random mutation. Luck in recovering haselements of chance too. Some people's immune systems are better suited todestroy cancer cells and things we don't fully understand happen to createthat very rare "miracle" recovery. A kind of recovery we can't promise willhappen to everyone. The example of cancer here is very complex and a lotof work is being done to understand it.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/genetic-regulation-of-cancer-891

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/epigenetic-influences-and-disease-895

In dogs, the demodex mange mite is found on most dogs (and most peoplealso with have it in as well). The dog's immune system (and ours keeps

Dan Wilson

Seriously....is "misdiagnosis" and "very lucky recovery" asatisfying explanation for you?? Does "luck" fall intoscientific argumentation....?

Progression to cancer can occur more rapidly if anindividual inherits a germ-line mutation in a cancer-associated gene; this person's cells will be one step closerto cancer from the very beginning. According to the CancerGene Census (Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute 2008),among the currently known cancer genes, 70 areassociated with germ-line mutations, and 342 areassociated with somatic mutations. Furthermore, 281cancer-associated chromosomal translocations have alsobeen identified.

Today, scientists are armed with an entirely new arsenalof weapons in their fight against cancer: the human genomehas been sequenced in its entirety, a large collection ofgenes have been identified in which mutations contributeto cancer, and an ever-expanding array of technologies isbeing used to identify new cancer-associated genes.Genetic testing can be employed to determine inherited cancerrisk, or to obtain a genetic "fingerprint" of a tumor. In thefuture, an increasing number of cancer therapies will begenetically tailored to specifically and effectively targetcancer cells. However, in order to understand the basis ofthese treatments, it is first necessary to understand thegeneral genetic mechanisms by which cancer arises.


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SR1419, Feb 11, 2013 #10


these mites in check). However, when the immune system is weakened, themange can cause skin problems.

To some extent the same is true of the mite that causes sarcoptic mange indogs and scabies in humans.

^ My dog actually broke out with demodactic mange as a puppy- lost thehair around one of his eyes...funny looking (it grew back).

Just sharing an anecdote

Firstly I think referencing a wiki page that has a huge notice above saying ithas issues and is missing citations is not a good start to debunking anytheory. Your argument is interesting and has merit.

But I have to agree that there have been too many "miss diagnosed" and"very lucky recovery's" to allow your argument to go unchallenged. Yes,perhaps we are not able to change our DNA with our minds. But there issomething there. People everywhere appear to be healing themselves of anumber of illnesses and life threatening diseases.

By all means debunk, but come up with a better argument than a personsluck being at the crux of your argument.

Cairenn

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Bruce Lipton is a biologist who now teaches new age ideasabout spirituality and medicine. There is a lot of bunksurrounding this guy, here is one of his lectures... Bothsay generally the same thing and have a lot ofpseudoscience but here I want to focus on his claim thatyou can heal incurable diseases with your beliefs andmind. He argues that DNA is more plastic than we are leadto believe, claiming that mutations are not random andthat we do have control over our genomes. He also pointsto epigenetics, the study of how proteins regulate geneexpression, as evidence to his claim... Lipton claims thatthese processes can somehow be controlled with ourbeliefs and be used to unlock DNA that can help us live


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Considering the wealth of scientific literature referenced in Mr. Lipton’sbooks which serve to support millennia of eastern medical tradition andteachings, as well as the lack of informational support you yourself give forall of your ‘debunking’, I’m surprised anyone takes you seriously. BruceLipton does a very good job of explaining quantum energy theory to Westernminds and, though it may be new to you and to countless ‘accredited’Western associations and thinkers, deserves a large amount of respect forwriting such a comprehensive book without bashing his opponents – arespect that is rarely granted back to him.

This is information which has been taught throughout the ages, whether byancient yogis, Shaolin or Zen masters, or other cultural masters and healers,all who have the innate ability to understand disease and wellness in waysour licensed doctors never could. And you stand here and refute it withignorant ramblings? It was once pointed out to me that the Westernallopathic medical system is the only healing system in the world whichrefuses to accept the vital life energy which is inherent in all living beingsand environments. Think about that for a moment.

Did you even read the book? Or perhaps you skimmed through it, readingthe summaries and other people’s interpretations before sounding off on theboard here. Anyone who truly read the book and sought to understand theinformation presented within the pages could not, while keeping a straightface, bash Bruce Lipton and his research or try to undermine his theories.

A balanced opinion will show much more truth than a biased one. Perhapsyou should try to take aim at the foundations on which your own beliefs arecurrently built with the same unrelenting aggression you fire at Mr. Lipton’stheories. If your current beliefs hold up under such fire, like the truth of Mr.Lipton’s science does regardless of the bashing and debunking that is thrownhis way, then I think you’re in the clear to continue speaking your mind asyou do. If it doesn’t, maybe you need to re-examine your own beliefs, andnot Mr. Lipton’s.

And GOD said, "Be fruitful and multiply".. and then Jesus said, "TheKingdom of GOD is within you".."Physician HEAL thyself"..

or pharmaceutical companies. A classic snake-oil salesmanwho sells false hope to sick patients.

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I think people might be confusing the gist of what Lipton is saying. In the 11/2 hour lecture I just listened to, he never claimed that we could changeour DNA, but rather that the amino acid chains that make up the backboneof proteins receive signals from the quantum field. He goes on to explainthat by changing the quantum field we can actually affect how the proteinsbind and interrelate to other proteins affecting the systems in the body.The field effects of quantum physics and in particular the widely acceptednotion of entanglement should make one pause and reconsider thematerialist, Newtonian view of our Universe. Specifically in regards tohealth, well-being, and medicine, the Western approach of better livingthrough chemistry has been shown to be lacking in many instances. We nowknow that the Universe is not made up of matter as we once thought.Indeed, it is made up of energy that expresses itself in the form of fields andvibrations. This is not “woo woo” science. This is cutting edge, quantummechanics. If this is so, why do medical schools in the Western world thatteach “real medicine” as you say, still teach the Newtonian, materialist viewthat organic chemistry is the best platform to explain the body’s functionseven though, according to the latest research, quantum field theory explainsthe movement of molecules or mechanical turnstiles in a way thatNewtonian, organic chemistry has been unable to do? (see reference below)"The scientific journal Nature published a paper by Pophristic and Goodmanwhere they show how they could not predict the movement of a moleculeusing Newtonian physics. They had to look at the movement in regard toquantum physics before they were able to predict its movement.A review by physical chemist Frank Weinhold, published along with thispaper, said “The most pressing question raised by Pophristic and Goodmanis: when will chemistry textbooks begin to serve as aids, rather thanbarriers, to this enriched quantum-mechanical perspective on howmechanical turnstiles work.”That’s not to say that Western medicine in general and pharmaceuticals inparticular haven’t contributed to the over-all health and well-being of oursociety in specific instances. But even discoveries once considered as someof mankind’s greatest achievements in regards to medicine are now beingquestioned. Take the proliferation of super-bugs in response to an

Quantumbeliever

I have to emphasize that what I'm debunking here are hisclaims about genes, evolution, and medicine. It is truethat meditation (prayer, contemplation, etc.) can be avery good thing for someone's well-being. Any good doctorwould encourage you to make good changes in things likediet and exercise. Your lifestyle can be changed for thebetter, which can help change gene expression, but noneof those things can change the genes themselves. That iswhere Lipton presents pseudoscience. Meditation is not acure-all for health complications and mental diseases.Those kinds of methods are good supplements but shouldby no means be substituted for real medicine. Liptonseems to have no problem suggesting just that in hisbooks. Meditation is definitely a good thing, but it is aneasy target for pseudoscientists to attach hype to.


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over-proliferation of prescription anti-biotics or studies that seem to indicatethat certain vaccines may do more harm than good. Lipton’s beef, as I seeit, is not with the whole of Western medicine, but more specifically thedogma of genetic materialism and that chemicals, vis a vis drugs, are ourbest defense and treatment for illness. I don’t think he has any problemswith let’s say, a trauma surgeon re-attaching a severed finger.If we are to learn anything from the study of science from an historicalperspective, we should take note that although current scientific paradigmmight seem to be doing us much good, it doesn’t mean that the paradigm isthe absolute, best way to view the way in which systems in the Universework. I’m sure you don’t need to be reminded of the plight of Galileo or thefact that a short time before Einstein’s paper on relativistic theory waspublished, the leading physicists of the day were exclaiming that we had“discovered everything there is to know” about physics and that the onlynew knowledge was likely to come from more precise measurements.The din of Randiesque debunkers is slowly being drowned out by the latestdiscoveries in quantum mechanics that show conclusively, in mynon-scientific opinion, that the influence of fields and quantum non-localityis by far the most promising avenue for future discoveries, not only inmedicine, but every other area of science. I do not think it will be longbefore many areas once considered to be completely woo woo dogma, willbe shown, through hypothesis, rigorous experimentation, and a highincidence of repeatable results, to be much more worthy of our attentionthan the outdated, materialist viewpoint.

He also claims that fire-walking is "mind-over-matter", when all it is isthermodynamics. It make it hard to take him seriously.

I'm sure there's a vast amount of knowledge left to discover. However allLipton is doing is speculating.

It is mind overmatter. is the mind now involved in thermodynamics? Yes itis. Just because a person seems to be able to overcome what we callstandard occurrences doesn't mean there isn't a physics behind it. If aperson could do something that seemed extra-ordinary to the uneducatedperson then it most certainly also has properties and dynamics in the


I think people might be confusing the gist of what Lipton issaying. In the 1 1/2 hour lecture I just listened to, henever claimed that we could change our DNA, but ratherthat the amino acid chains that make up the backbone ofproteins receive signals from the quantum field. He goeson to explain that by changing the quantum field we canactually affect how the proteins bind and interrelate toother proteins affecting the systems in the body.


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MikeC, Feb 26, 2013 #18

physical/biological sciences. Just because science does not fully understandentirely how it works does not mean that it does not exist and that a futurediscovery is not in the midst.

Science does understand fire walking though. And the mind has nothing todo with it, other than overcoming fear, and telling the body to keep moving.

Yep - did it myself a couple of decades ago - was fine except I put my heelinto soft ground at the very end of the embers and a hot ash fell off the"bed" and lodged against my achilles tendon for a second causing a blister.

I had helped construct the bed of embers - it was made up of standard localfirewood - pinus radiata - built up into a pyre then raked over a preparedclay bed when it had stopped burning.

no drugs, meditation or medicine of any kind were required for my soles tobe uninjured by walking about 6 feet, nor anything except a plaster andabout a week for the burn on my heel to heal.

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It is mind overmatter. is the mind now involved inthermodynamics? Yes it is. Just because a person seemsto be able to overcome what we call standard occurrencesdoesn't mean there isn't a physics behind it. If a personcould do something that seemed extra-ordinary to theuneducated person then it most certainly also hasproperties and dynamics in the physical/biologicalsciences. Just because science does not fully understandentirely how it works does not mean that it does not existand that a future discovery is not in the midst.

MikeC

Considering the wealth of scientific literature referenced inMr. Lipton’s books which serve to support millennia ofeastern medical tradition and teachings, as well as thelack of informational support you yourself give for all ofyour ‘debunking’, I’m surprised anyone takes youseriously. Bruce Lipton does a very good job of explainingquantum energy theory to Western minds and, though it


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I've fully read his book, Spontaneous Evolution. It references other new agebooks and its total amount of citations is relatively small compared to otherbooks by scientific authors. Eastern medicine and Western medicine isn't allthat different. Have you ever heard of ethnobotany? HowStuffWorks did anexcellent article and podcast on it. It is a profession where, generally,anthropologists or botanists will go visit remote areas to talk to shamansand traditional healers. They do have a wealth of knowledge about plants inthe area, and the ethnobotanist is supposed to gather that information,samples of plants, and bring those samples back to a lab so that syntheticchemists can identify, isolate, and synthesize the active medical moleculesin those plants. Some may say that synthetic is different but it really isn't,the synthetic molecule is structured and behaves the same way as thenatural one. If we all used the natural version, then the medicines would notbe able to be produced on a mass scale and a huge amount of thepopulation would be SOL. That is the main difference of Eastern and Westernmedicine is mostly the method of delivery, both work. The only reasonEastern medicine is viewed so differently is because it is easier to make acon business out of it and make it seem very appealing to the public. Liptondoes just this. He stretches pseudoscientific ideas like evolution andepigenetics to support his ideas which he has no evidence for. His citationsaren't very good, especially for the big claims he makes of miraculoushealing. There is just no reproduction of those results or published papersproviding evidence for it. You haven't really given a reason to as to why Imight be wrong about everything I've said here.

Another problem that seems to be always overlooked with the folks thatwant 'natural medicines' only, is the impact that growing/gathering themwould have on the environment. We can look at the problems with AmericanGinseng already. Can you imagine stripping willow trees of bark instead oflab grown aspirin?

I think my best friend has finally trained the folks that do yard work for her,to NOT spray the dandelions with weed killer. She wants them. She is agood herbalist and she even has a 'still room' with things drying in it.

Dan Wilsonassociations and thinkers, deserves a large amount ofrespect for writing such a comprehensive book withoutbashing his opponents – a respect that is rarely grantedback to him.

Cairenn

I think people might be confusing the gist of what Lipton is


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He actually does claim in his books that we can change our DNA. There is alot of research that has been done on what influences proteins and theirshape. Saying that quantum fields can change them and that we changequantum fields is a bold claim that I don't think any evidence exists for.Newtonian phsyics has little to nothing to do with the way organic moleculesinteract and react with each other.I'm not surprised they could predict itsmovement with quantum physics because quantum phsyics describes thephsyics of very small things, as opposed to Newtonian phsycis which applymuch better to the macroscopic world. To my knowledge, quantum physicshas already benefited medicine by employing methods of lasers,nanoparticles, and much better computing. Not in any way of influencingfields. Quantum physics is not my area of expertise though, and if you thinkthere is evidence that the quantum field is influencing our health in a waywe can influence ourselves then please post it.

Of course its no perfect, but you need a lot of evidence if you want tochange it. Not every new radical idea that challenges current understandingis a good one. Most are actually really bad.

Super bugs are not associated with vaccines. You might be thinking ofvaccines being less effective or not consistently effective due to a certainvirus species having a very rapid mutation rate. Super bugs refer to bacteriaand a resistant strain forming doesn't mean it will be the strain to replacethe entire population. That doesn't really happen. But one thing toremember in that kind of discussion is the evolutionary concept of the RedQueen. As those bacteria are evolving and changing, so are we as apopulation, and so is our medicine. Medicine has its ways of keeping up withthose resistant strains. For example, penicillin resistant strains of certain

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never claimed that we could change our DNA, but ratherthat the amino acid chains that make up the backbone ofproteins receive signals from the quantum field. He goeson to explain that by changing the quantum field we canactually affect how the proteins bind and interrelate toother proteins affecting the systems in the body.

If we are to learn anything from the study of science froman historical perspective, we should take note thatalthough current scientific paradigm might seem to bedoing us much good, it doesn’t mean that the paradigm isthe absolute, best way to view the way in which systemsin the Universe work.

But even discoveries once considered as some ofmankind’s greatest achievements in regards to medicineare now being questioned. Take the proliferation ofsuper-bugs in response to an over-proliferation ofprescription anti-biotics or studies that seem to indicatethat certain vaccines may do more harm than good.


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bacteria have been identified which made it useless for a time. No that strainis no longer passing around that resistance and so penicillin can now beused on those species again. What other discoveries are we talking about?

Other health crazes can create major problems, also. The demand for quinoais beginning to have drastic effect on traditional farming techniques in Peruand has the potential to cause serious economic and environmental damage.

One of my favorites are the folks that seem to think that farming hemp isthe cure for everything. Hemp oil can replace gasoline, hemp fiber can beused instead of plastics and for pater, hemp seed is a great nutrition source.One of their 'selling points' is that 'hemp will grow everywhere', and you canget multiple crops every year.

I researched it, according to the Canadian hemp growers Assoc. Commercialhemp requires good soil (equal to that needed for wheat or corn), fertilizer,and irrigation or good rainfall. Only a very few areas of the US would have along enough growing season for more than one harvest. Opps,

I thought hemp had potential to be grown as sewerage treatment mop-upplant?

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/02/12/1042675.htm

But would that provide enough to do all those things?

RolandD

Another problem that seems to be always overlooked withthe folks that want 'natural medicines' only, is the impactthat growing/gathering them would have on theenvironment. We can look at the problems with AmericanGinseng already. Can you imagine stripping willow trees ofbark instead of lab grown aspirin?

I think my best friend has finally trained the folks that doyard work for her, to NOT spray the dandelions with weedkiller. She wants them. She is a good herbalist and sheeven has a 'still room' with things drying in it.

Cairenn


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Unregistered, Mar 4, 2013 #25


lol how much research did you do brooo? farming hemp won't 'cure'everything but it would certainly help. hemp is the only agriculture crop thatgrows all over the world (ie. not just areas of USA and Canada but Africa,Europe, China, Australia, India, etc. etc.), it can grow in low fertile and highsalinity soils (obviously for optimum yields and depending what yourgrowing it for good soil and some fertilizer may be required, but nothing likecorn or cotton), doesn't need pesticides or herbicides, adapts to the areathat its growing in, and is such a versatile plant with so many uses. Hemphas got to be the most useful and usable crop on our planet and it's cause ofpeople like you that this insanity still continues...

Bad news Dan...Appears same info comming from another source.http://knowledgecircle.cifar.ca/exchange/chronic-pain-changes-our-dna/

First I am not a brooo. Second I have done quite a bit. I became interestedafter reading "Ain't Nobody's Business' by Peter McWilliams. I didn't just lookat pro hemp sites, I looked it like I had land and wanted to know if hempwould be a good crop to grow.

Here is some of what I found. You might notice that none of them are antihemp sites

http://www.hemp-sisters.com/Information/factsheet.htm

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One of my favorites are the folks that seem to think thatfarming hemp is the cure for everything. Hemp oil canreplace gasoline, hemp fiber can be used instead ofplastics and for pater, hemp seed is a great nutritionsource. One of their 'selling points' is that 'hemp will groweverywhere', and you can get multiple crops every year.

I researched it, according to the Canadian hemp growersAssoc. Commercial hemp requires good soil (equal to thatneeded for wheat or corn), fertilizer, and irrigation or goodrainfall. Only a very few areas of the US would have a longenough growing season for more than one harvest. Opps,

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Soils

Industrial hemp can be grown on a wide variety of soil types. Hemp prefersa sufficiently deep, well-aerated soil with a pH pf 6 or greater, along withgood moisture and nutrient holding capacity. Poorly drained soils, however,are not recommended as excess water after heavy rains can result indamage to the hemp crop. Hemp is extremely sensitive to flooding and soilcompactionSoil Preparation

A fine, firm seedbed is required for fast, uniform germination of hemp seed.Conventional seedbed preparation and drilling are probably ideal. Theseedlings will not emerge uniformly if the seed is placed to a depth greaterthan 2 inches. "No-till systems" can also be used with good results, but maybe more vulnerable to erratic emergence depending on the growing season.3. Nutrition

To achieve an optimum hempyield, twice as much nutrient must be availableto the crop as will finally be removed from the soil at harvest. A hemp fieldproduces a very large bulk of vegetative material in a short vegetativeperiod. The nitrogen uptake is most intensive the first 6 to 8 weeks, whilepotassium and in particular phosphorous are needed more during floweringand seed formation. Industrial hemp requires 105 to 130 lbs./acre (120 to150 kg./ha) nitrogen, 45 to 70 lbs./acre (50 to 80 kg/ha) phosphate and 52to 70 lbs./acre (60 to 80 kg/ha) potash.

. Growing Conditions

Hemp prefers a mild climate, humid atmosphere, and a rainfall of at least25-30 inches per year. Good soil moisture is required for seed germinationand until the young plants are well established.5. Weed Control

Industrial hemp is an extremely efficient weed suppressor. No chemicals areneeded for growing this crop. Industrial hemp is a low maintenance crop.There are no registered chemicals for weed control in hemp. A normal standof 200 to 300 plants per square meter shades out the weeds, leaving thefields weed-free at harvest for the next crop.

Notice the canopy effect created by the dense planting. When properlyplanted and cultivated, weed control is a non issue.

http://www.flaxandhemp.bangor.ac.uk/pdfs/GuidelinesForGrowingHemp.pdf

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/html/sb/sb681/


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Although hemp is well adapted to the temperate climatic zone and will growunder varied environmental conditions, it grows best with warm growingconditions, an extended frost-free season, highly productive agriculturalsoils, and abundant moisture throughout the growing season. When grownunder proper conditions, hemp is very competitive with weeds, andherbicides are generally not required in hemp production. Although anumber of insect pests and diseases have been reported on hemp,significant crop losses from pests are not common. High levels of soil fertilityare required to maximize hemp productivity. Cultural requirements andproduction costs are quite similar to those of corn. Reported hemp yieldsrange from 2.5 to 8.7 tons of dry stems per acre.

The climatic and soil requirements of hemp can be met in some agriculturalareas of the PNW, however, hemp will almost certainly require irrigation toreliably maximize productivity in the region. The requirement forsupplemental irrigation will place hemp in direct competition with the highestvalue crops in the PNW, limiting available acreage. Stem yields will have tobe substantially higher than those previously recorded for hemp to beeconomically feasible in the PNW at current prices. It is unlikely that theinvestment needed to improve hemp production technology will be madeuntil legislative restrictions are removed from the crop.

http://www.agriculture.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=e60e706d-c852-4206-9959-e4b134782175

Hemp does well in a variety of soil types, but does not tolerate drought,flooding, saturated or saline soils. It istolerant of light spring frosts. Tests show that hemp grows well in the DarkBrown to the thick Black soils ofSaskatchewan with medium texture, high soil moisture and a long growingseason. This is particularly true forFinola, a northern variety with a Russian/Finish origin. Hemp is notwell-suited for the southwest due to thedrier conditions and heavy clay soils. In general, hemp is best suited toareas with moderate rainfall and goodsoil fertility.Maturity varies from 80 to 120 days depending on variety and date ofseeding. Hemp is a photosensitive plant,thus flowering of the plant is triggered by the shorter day lengths after June21. Crops seeded in early springmay produce taller stalks and higher yields, but will not flower or maturemuch earlier than later seeded crops.Hemp should be seeded between May 1 and May 31, with May 15 being theoptimum seeding date. Sincehemp is sensitive to day-length,late-seeded crops will not have sufficient biomass to produce a good yield,


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Pete Tar, Mar 4, 2013 #28


as the plant will flower after June 21,regardless of the size of the plant

http://www.hemp-technologies.com/page83/page83.html

Soil Conditions:iHemp responds to a well drained, loam soil with pH (acidity) above 6.0.Neutral to slightly alkaline (pH7.0 - 7.5) is preferred. The higher the claycontent of the soil the lower the yield of grain or fibre. Clay soils are easilycompacted and iHemp is very sensitive to soil compaction. Young plants arevery sensitive to wet soils or flooding during the first 3 weeks or until growthreaches the fourth internode (approx. 30 cm or 12” tall). Water damagedplants will remain stunted, resulting in a weedy, uneven and poor crop.

Poorly structured, drought-prone sandy soils provide very little naturalfertility or support for the iHemp plant. Extra nutrients and water will berequired to achieve maximum yields on these soils, hence the extra costsmake production uneconomical.

I wonder how that affects proposals to use it as a sewerage mop up. Icouldn't find any follow ups to the 2004 Southern Cross study.(near where I live coincidentally)

It would be good if it could. I believe Prince Charles has been encouragingthe use of wetlands to help with sewage treatment.

Pete Tar

Cairenn

Bad news Dan...Appears same info comming from anothersource.


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Dan Wilson, Mar 17, 2013 #30

Well, this paper is actually talking about epigenetic changes. An epigeneticchange is not a change in the DNA sequence, it has to do with chemicalmodifications to regulation mechanisms. The epigenetic changes it discussesare also a result of injury, not any kind of mind over matter. They also talkabout how an enriched environment can help reverse the methylation indamaged nerve cells thus reducing hypersensitivity to their tests. Lastly,they mention the limitations of their tests.

Their experiments are very interesting, but can you explain why you thinkthis paper is relevant to the discussion here?

Dan i'm curious if you watched the entire video which you posted? I'm notschooled in any scientific area and would like to know if you think i'm wrongfor perceiving what he has to say has some merit? I like his energy or

Dan Wilson

pain-changes-our-dna/

Thus, the directionality and consequences of changes inglobal DNA methylation in chronic pain may be region-specific (spinal vs. supraspinal), species-specific (rat vs.mouse), may vary by type of injury or may vary as afunction of chronicity (2 weeks vs. 6 months). Each ofthese possible explanations has potential clinicalimplications, additional studies are needed to furtherexplore this discrepancy.

Although our data shows that environmental enrichmentreturned nerve injury-related changes in global DNAmethylation to control levels, it is possible that a certainpopulations of individual gene promoters maintained theirdifferentially methylated state. Future studiesincorporating comprehensive, high throughput analysis ofchanges in DNA methylation and their effect on theexpression of individual genes in chronic pain conditionsare needed. Such studies are currently underway in ourlaboratory.Our study does not distinguish between the effects ofnerve injury from those of ongoing chronic pain and itscomorbidities. It is possible that the observed supraspinalchanges are due to other effects of the nerve injury itselfsuch as motor impairment instead of being a consequenceof living with chronic pain. Finally, the current study doesnot examine the time-course of global methylationchanges, instead focusing on the long-term effects ofperipheral neuropathy on the brain. Further studies areneeded to determine how long after nerve injury changesin global DNA methylation develop and if they contributeto or are the result of pain chronification.


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Loving Kind, Mar 18, 2013 #32

Jazzy, Mar 18, 2013 #33

passion for what he speaks about and it makes a little sense to me but i'mconfused why you are so against his theory. I'm not sure he was trying tosell anything but an idea and i want to know why you would debunksomeone just for having a different school of thought than yourself. Youmight see it as a silly question but i hope you reply because i just find itfascinating and will continue to read more about it. Thanks for the threadDan

Just want to perceive a loving environment here so I will not have highblood pressure and that way I stay healthier longer. Kudos for Lipton!!! theones that opposes are like the people thinking the world was not round, orthat the Sun goes around the Earth and things like that, just give them thetime...and they will know.

Love!Love!Love! love to everyone and everything, LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

This is all very interesting.

Biology was something I had to miss out at school. It gave me leave toconstruct my own version, which was that living beings had sort of feedbacksystem back to their core DNA structure, allowing their experience to altertheir design, bit by bit.

It took a more proper understanding of evolution to convince me that thatfeedback wasn't necessary at the normal pace that evolution sets for livingbeings, and a switchable set of functional options was probably alwayspossible within DNA design. Occam.

It's not a silly question. Yes, I have watched a couple of his lectures and

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Dan i'm curious if you watched the entire video which youposted? I'm not schooled in any scientific area and wouldlike to know if you think i'm wrong for perceiving what hehas to say has some merit? I like his energy or passion forwhat he speaks about and it makes a little sense to mebut i'm confused why you are so against his theory. I'mnot sure he was trying to sell anything but an idea and iwant to know why you would debunk someone just forhaving a different school of thought than yourself. Youmight see it as a silly question but i hope you replybecause i just find it fascinating and will continue to readmore about it. Thanks for the thread Dan


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have read his book, Spontaneous Evolution. You're right, he is not selling aspecific product but he is selling an idea. Not every idea is good. I criticizehis ideas because they encourage mistrust, misunderstanding, and misuse ofscience. Mistrust because he paints a picture of a close-minded scientificcommunity. Misunderstanding because he twists facts. Misuse because hisideas encourage medical treatments, products, and science that is notactually scientific. What it all adds up to are people who forego modernmedical treatments and supported scientific theories for ideas that don'tactually have any experimental or scientific background.

Here is an example.Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zupt6RoQgbMPart 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njSMTfPRz9g

That's good, it's great to perceive the world as a loving environment. It'svery important for your overall health. But when a time comes where you orsomeone you know actually gets very ill, please don't go to people likeLipton.

It is amazing how it all works. Understanding how epigenetics works andhow the environment influences it is one of the most interesting topics inmolecular biology right now. I remember this documentary being veryinteresting if anyone has time to watch it.

Dan Wilson

Just want to perceive a loving environment here so I willnot have high blood pressure and that way I stay healthierlonger. Kudos for Lipton!!! the ones that opposes are likethe people thinking the world was not round, or that theSun goes around the Earth and things like that, just givethem the time...and they will know.

Love!Love!Love! love to everyone and everything,LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

Dan Wilson

It took a more proper understanding of evolution toconvince me that that feedback wasn't necessary at thenormal pace that evolution sets for living beings, and aswitchable set of functional options was probably alwayspossible within DNA design. Occam.


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If I remember right, they have a segment about "junk DNA" and howmysterious it is, but those non-coding sequences of DNA are nowunderstood to be extremely important in regulating gene expression. Otherthan that, I think it was a very helpful and informative documentary.

In relevance to this thread, these genetic/epigenetic switches aren't alwayssuper sensitive to the environment and our thoughts. They mostly workbased on concentrations of certain proteins and substrates that createbiofeedback loops that are self-regulated by the DNA.

I remember that when Tx A&M cloned the first cat, everyone was surprisedwhen the clone didn't have the same coat color as the cat she was clonedfrom.

What is very clear from everyone's comments on this blog, is that to someextent mind does influence matter & our health. The question therefore is:How much? and is there somehow an undiscovered or undeveloped potentialhere? Awareness exercises will show you that you & everyone else live in avery small fraction of what goes on in your head. So if we could quiet all themonkey-mind, the rather insane thoughts & disorganized energies which liebelow our convincingly hypnotic, though inaccurate sense of self; if we could

Cairenn


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F White, Mar 18, 2013 #38

Mick West, Mar 18, 2013 #39

bring all that energy of our consciousness fully into the moment, isn't itpossible, or doesn't it even seem likely, that this new Mind, so foreign to usin the West, could have a much greater effect on our bodies & perhaps evenour surroundings? The place to explore these issues is in our own minds, notout in the external world. Consciousness is like a light, a flashlight in thedark. The more of it you bring into the present moment, the more you cansee. But like the Buddha said: don't take my word for it, find out foryourself, if you care to.

I'd prefer to have it demonstrated scientifically, which would save everyonea lot of repeated effort.

F White


What is very clear from everyone's comments on this blog,is that to some extent mind does influence matter & ourhealth. The question therefore is: How much? and is theresomehow an undiscovered or undeveloped potential here?Awareness exercises will show you that you & everyoneelse live in a very small fraction of what goes on in yourhead. So if we could quiet all the monkey-mind, the ratherinsane thoughts & disorganized energies which lie belowour convincingly hypnotic, though inaccurate sense of self;if we could bring all that energy of our consciousness fullyinto the moment, isn't it possible, or doesn't it even seemlikely, that this new Mind, so foreign to us in the West,could have a much greater effect on our bodies & perhapseven our surroundings? The place to explore these issuesis in our own minds, not out in the external world.Consciousness is like a light, a flashlight in the dark. Themore of it you bring into the present moment, the moreyou can see. But like the Buddha said: don't take my wordfor it, find out for yourself, if you care to.

RolandD

What is very clear from everyone's comments on this blog,is that to some extent mind does influence matter & ourhealth. The question therefore is: How much? and is theresomehow an undiscovered or undeveloped potential here?Awareness exercises will show you that you & everyoneelse live in a very small fraction of what goes on in yourhead. So if we could quiet all the monkey-mind, the ratherinsane thoughts & disorganized energies which lie belowour convincingly hypnotic, though inaccurate sense of self;if we could bring all that energy of our consciousness fullyinto the moment, isn't it possible, or doesn't it even seem


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RolandD, Mar 18, 2013 #40

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This is one of those new modern myths that allow people to believe thatthey are greater than they actually are.

Ten percent of brain myth

Do We Use Only 10% of Our Brains?

Do we only use 10% of our brains?

The Ten-Percent Myth

The concept that we only use a small part of our brains and have a vastuntapped potential, allows the belief that if we could just utilize that other90 or 97%, we would have super powers, or telepathy, telekinesis, etc. Thismakes us feel special in the same way that believing that the universe wascreated just for us, does.

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could have a much greater effect on our bodies & perhapseven our surroundings? The place to explore these issuesis in our own minds, not out in the external world.Consciousness is like a light, a flashlight in the dark. Themore of it you bring into the present moment, the moreyou can see. But like the Buddha said: don't take my wordfor it, find out for yourself, if you care to.

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